Poll finds broad bipartisan support for tax package (69% of liberal Democrats)

[Still a Democrat]

Source: Washington Post

About seven in 10 Americans back the tax deal negotiated last week by President Obama and congressional Republicans, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.

...

But put all four items together, and 69 percent of all Americans support the package. Large majorities of Democrats, Republicans and independents alike favor the agreement, which has drawn stiff opposition from some Democrats in the House. In the poll, 69 percent of liberal Democrats support the agreement, which Obama has called a framework for legislation.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/13/AR2010121302373.html?hpid=topnews

Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/13/AR2010121302373.html?hpid=topnews

[somone]

1. See, folks, America DEMANDS tax cuts for the rich

Very soon, statistics will show slightly over 169% of liberal Democrats support it.

[Still a Democrat]

3. They understand that's only 13.5% of the package.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x562019

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

61. Not too shabby for a 2% constituent.

Almost 700%.

[Ruperto31]

39. Also they love underfunding their own Social Security.

Jeebus.

[elocs]

2. It seems that the 69% figure would be rather high for DUers though. n/t

[Still a Democrat]

4. Like ten times higher?

Or thereabouts.

[Scurrilous]

5. K & R

:thumbsup:

[dmosh42]

6. Another "bullshit" poll! n/t

[Still a Democrat]

11. If I find one with a result you like, it would be credible I bet

?

[Hell Hath No Fury]

16. Did you read the whole thing --

of just the headline? :eyes:

[Still a Democrat]

20. Read it all, thanks,

[defendandprotect]

46. Washington Post -- ABC ... agree --

[Recursion]

7. This is big, and good (nt)

[Ruperto31]

40. I don't see what's good about it, except for rich people. nt

[sirthomas66]

8. I can't understand this. If this package is passed without at least a

change to the Holiday Tax on SS, it will end the Democratic Party.

[Hoyt]

13. Might be the end for a few, but not me. At least yet.

[sirthomas66]

29. I know what you're saying. But many will know what I am saying

once the general fund does not replenish what was taken out of social security, and they try to extend the tax holiday the following year. Then people will get their year-end social security statments in the second year of the holiday and wonder what hit them. Those over 60 will be relatively safe; those between 50 and 60 will be damaged badly; under this, forget about it. This not some kind of wild-ass guess; this is what is going to happen. But, again, I understand where you are coming from.

[Hoyt]

36. I hear you too, but how do you know that will happen?

Well, at least as long as the R'cons aren't in power.

This could just as well be a "conspiracy" by Democrats to get the wage cap increased substantially.

[sirthomas66]

50. And they would do that how? Number one, that would require Obama

to actually fight against the Republicans. He never does that; in fact, he capitulated constantly without much provocation. Again, if the SS Payroll Tax is decrease, Democrats will not be elected for many years. The "conspiracy" you mention is not really viable at all, but in the slight chanced that it was, that only be before the Republican takeover of the House. How do I know what I stated will happen? I really don't, but I try to study stuff and use a logical approach to my positions. Course, I voted for Obama, and I sure wasn't right about that-- Oh, well, to each his own.

[Hoyt]

54. Even the "Catfood Commission" (that Obama was criticized for) recommended increasing the wage cap.

So, I think that will happen. Now, how much depends on how it is played and whether we destroy the Democratic Party from within with undeserved criticism.

Why will Democrats not be elected for years is the SS Payroll Tax is temporarily decreased? The only reason I can think of is that former Democrats have been infected by teabagger disease (ie, stupidity) and turn on Democrats while the Republicans laugh at how easily liberals were misled.

[sirthomas66]

55. If you think the this decrease is temporary, then you have read

nothing about it and I have no desire to talk to you further. If I knew you, I would make a good-sized wager it will not be temporary. Oh, yeah, man, I can see where during a Presidential election year and the Repubs are in charge that Obama would go for what would amount to a tax increase and the Repubs would say, "sure, no problem."

[Hoyt]

57. Yes I think it is temporary, or they'll increase the wage cap to preserve social security.

There are a bunch of things that could be done that help those in lower income brackets, yet still preserves SS as we know it.

Well, unless the cynicism of Democrats plus the desires of teabaggers creates an environment where it is semi-privatized (much like the environment that cost us the House). As to cynicism, I understand how one might become skeptical, but I think things are going a bit far recently.

[nckjm]

41. Let me guess

you don't work for minimum wage...you have health insurance...you have a fairly secure job...you're under 40. But hey,don't worry, if it isn't "over for you" by now (meaning the Democratic party of today), you're not leaving, you're just learning to love the big machine that controls America. On behalf of the working class (a.k.a. proletariat) and middle class (a.k.a. the new working class) thanks for caring.

[Hoyt]

49. You'd be wrong -- I'm 61 and don't buy a lot of conspiracy theories rampant around here lately.

I also know that if we kill ourselves arguing over crap like this, the Republicons really win.

[sirthomas66]

52. No, they've already won, as a result of a weak healthcare bill and the

absence of enough attention to the job market. BTW, if you are 61 the defunding of Social Security won't affect you much, so can I see why you have so much political bravery. If you were 46 and watching Social Security being defunded, you'd less sanguine about Democratic policy changes getting passed and the future of Social Security.

[Hoyt]

53. SS is not being "defunded."

Heck, I have one poster saying it must be because I'm under 40 and another saying I don't care because I'm 61. I do care, and yes it would impact me directly and indirectly. It's the younger folks who will be "paying" my SS, just like I paid for those older than me (and my mother's drugs, electricity, etc.). That is the way it works. But I do not for a minute think this tax plan is defunding SS. Truthfully, that's the kind of conspiracy stuff I've come to expect from teabaggers.

[sirthomas66]

56. If the tax holiday passes, social security will commence being

defunded. Watch. Good day to you..

[shawn703]

9. Misleading article

It's not until you actually read the article that you see these lines:

"A slender 11 percent of those polled back all four of the deal's primary tax provisions"

"85 percent of Republicans say these tax cuts should be continued for all taxpayers; 38 percent of Democrats (31 percent of liberal Democrats) agree."


So because Democrats support the unemployment extension, they can say they "support the package".

[PhillySane]

17. Exactly!

used to work for ABC polling. They'll just pull the number that works for them and print a headline around it. It's BS.

[tomm2thumbs]

34. precisely - could this be bought and paid for propaganda?

I can't imagine... hmmmmm

[PhillySane]

60. Already Bought

The media owns the government and vice-versa

[madfloridian]

10. "strong support" registers at 20 percent, "somewhat support" at 49 percent."

"The mixed support for individual elements of the overall tax agreement adds up to somewhat soft support for package. A large majority backs the idea, but "strong support" registers at 20 percent, "somewhat support" at 49 percent."

[Hell Hath No Fury]

12. Read the whole article --

It tells a more clear story of just where liberals/Democrats stand on the deal.

[Still a Democrat]

19. Already did - they are in favor, but not of all aspects - no surprise

It's called a compromise.

[Matariki]

14. Thanks for the propaganda alert.

[Roy Rolling]

15. Here's the math:

70% of Americans understand about 7% of the economics of this bill. That's 10 clueless for every one that understands. Ironically, the most clueless are all Palin supporters. :banghead:

DISCLAIMER: my numbers are completely made up, kinda like the Republican numbers.

[Matariki]

18. More significant than your misleading OP subject line:

"A slender 11 percent of those polled back all four of the deal's primary tax provision"

[Still a Democrat]

21. That's called a compromise

Few will like it all.

[Dr.Phool]

23. It's called insanity.

If true, which I doubt, Democrats have been dumbed down to Palinesque levels.

The WaPo is pretty much as much of a right-wing bird cage liner as the Washington Times anymore.

[Matariki]

48. No, it's called a deliberately or ignorantly misleading OP

[Hell Hath No Fury]

22. BINGO.

The details of this poll show a much different truth than the headline.

[Recursion]

43. As individual pieces

Log-rolling. It's not just for the Yukon.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

24. Check out who the pollster was!

Meredith Chaiken 32, Democrat
Since graduating from Cornell University in 1998 with a degree in labor economics, Meredith Chaiken has been involved in numerous key Democratic races, including serving as John Kerry's deputy New Hampshire political director and developing critical GOTV models for Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm in 2006. She's currently a senior analyst at the Mellman Group in D.C., a firm that specializes in Democratic polling and general strategy. "I would say that I relish the analytical role I have now, but also draw on my campaign experience constantly-what it means to run a walk list, how hard it is for volunteers to knock on strangers' doors," she says. "It is important to me to be able to understand the constraints of both polling and running campaigns and to communicate effectively in both worlds."

http://www.chrisrussellconsulting.com/news/index.php?ID=45


Frank Lutz would be proud.

[hayu_lol]

28. Journalists apparently are playing fast and loose with the...

facts again. Liberals are not for this bill...at least not for the increased taxes on the poorest of the workers, not on the sustained tax breaks for the wealthy, but may be for the possible gains for middle class and the continuance of unemployment for those about to be dumped over the cliff.

These endless polls, carelessly reported on, are just more fuel for the FAUX fire to convince the 'people' that our reps are doing their jobs.

BS!

[madrchsod]

25. 69% of 1001 land and cell users

just another poll....

[Goldstein1984]

26. If the poll is accurate, and I question that assumption, let's see

How 2012 goes with that 31% disapproval.

Time will sort all this out, but I predict a well-earned third party spoiler for the Democrats emerging sometime in 2011.

[Liberalynn]

27. According to this a majority of members of both parties

oppose the payroll tax holiday so why don't they just ditch it? Its the worst part of this bill.

"Majorities across party lines also oppose the provision on cutting the payroll tax for Social Security by two percentage points for most workers."

I don't like the rest of the bill that much either but cutting out this part would make it slightly and I mean slightly more palatable.

[Vinnie From Indy]

30. 69% of this OP is Bullshit

Cheers!

[whathehell]

38. You are correct, Sir!!

[awnobles]

31. Of course

Propaganda is very effective.

[Bluenorthwest]

32. 49% somewhat support it. Wow, a whole 20% strongly support!

That is thrilling, surging passion! Do you love me? Somewhat.

[alp227]

33. Steve Benen: "polling on the agreement has been a little sketchy...

"-- the questions just haven't been worded well enough to offer a complete picture."

Sources:
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_12/027058.php
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/12/do-americans-support-obamas-tax-cuts-deal.php

[Bigmack]

35. Meaning no disrespect...

but fuck y'all. I got mine.

This vast majority of this country doesn't want me or my ideas... doesn't use reason...wants to believe in myths and fairy tales. I'll just hunker down and take care of me and mine.

Fought and killed "for my country", fought for my union, fought for civil rights, fought for free speech, but I'm done. I'll just back out and let you young guys have your turn at the barricades.

I'll be in the rear... with the gear.... and the beer.

[saracat]

37. Really? That isn't reflected at any of the Democratic Holiday events I attended so far.

People are heartsick. What folks really believe and what they may say to a pollster are entirely different these days. Many Dems have quit Party posts and many are depressed beyond words. And I am hearing this not only in my own state but from around the nation. This is blatant spin. And it is sad.

[davidthegnome]

42. Huh

I have a hard time understanding how anyone could support this package as it stands and still call themselves a democrat - let alone a liberal. Yes, the unemployment benefits damn well need to be extended (but for everyone, not just the pre-99ers) - the tax cuts do not (need to be extended) and should not and it is beyond stupid to borrow hundreds of billions to supply them primarily to the already wealthy. It's not liberal - it's not conservative, I don't know what the hell it is but madness and stupidity and overwhelming greed.

69 percent of liberal democrats? Heh, they must have polled all liberal democrats in Georgia again.

(Edited to correct the only typo I actually noticed, I'm sure there's more)

[florida08]

44. I highly doubt

that 69% working amercicans want to borrow more on their children's futures for tax cuts for the top 2%.

[SoapBox]

45. Americans overall these days are major STUPID....

...hell, they don't understand anything about this tax thing, except the sound bites.

Being the lemmings they are...they will march blindly over the cliff and then complain
that they got burned big time.

[defendandprotect]

47. "Nearly half say ..... or express no opinion on the question ..."

Majorities across party lines also oppose the provision on cutting the payroll tax for Social Security by two percentage points for most workers. The reluctance to back this specific tax cut may stem in part from a general resistance to any changes to the popular social insurance safety net.

Nearly half say the tax cuts won't make much of a difference or express no opinion on the question.



???????????????????????

[Itchinjim]

51. All this means is that 69 percent of liberal Democrats.....

are COMPLETE BASTARDS!!!!

[fascisthunter]

58. lol

everyone, read the article, the heading is very misleading. Now ask why it was intentional used as the heading for this article. Exactly.

[high density]

59. Put all four items together?? LOL

This is like saying 80% of people like prime rib and 0% like eating shit, and then drawing a conclusion from that where 80% of people love eating shit that's mixed with prime rib.