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Eye and Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 09:24 PM
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Bush Unveils Initiative to Double Job Training
http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/politics/politics-bush-jobs.html

By REUTERS
Published: April 4, 2004
Filed at 10:11 p.m. ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Bush, his reelection bid bolstered by robust job growth in March, will unveil a new jobs initiative on Monday aimed at doubling the number of Americans enrolled for skills training under a Clinton-era work-assistance measure, officials said.

During a speech at a Charlotte, North Carolina, community college, the Republican president will outline his plans to generate $300 million for new job training under the Workforce Investment Act of 1998, or WIA, by reining in the costs and duplicate services of existing programs.

Bush's goal is to raise from 206,000 to 412,000 the number of Americans who receive full skills training each year as part of Labor Department programs established under the WIA.

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tedoll78 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 09:29 PM
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1. I can hear the Freepers now..
"Dammit.. quit spending, Dubya!"

We should take the opportunity to rub this in freeper faces. Maybe we can succeed in demoralizing them to the point where some stay home on Election Day? :evilgrin:
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joeunderdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 06:04 AM
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31. Yeah, "Fluent Indian For Dummies"
They gut budgets, state college gets unaffordable, private colleges are only for sons of Bushes and rich kids and the rest of us fight over the scraps...
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lastknowngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 09:29 PM
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2. buying the unemployed numbers up with our money we don't
have. Also it would never pass the rethuglian bastards in "congress"
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 09:32 PM
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3. So What About The Other 2 Million Displaced Americans?
It doesn't wash Georgie Boy!
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Eye and Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 09:40 PM
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5. BushCo didn't say they would be employed - only trained.
So, I think that the original 2.6 million jobs lost on his "watch" remains unchanged.

BTW, it appears that the "proposed" spending and the number of beneficiaries works out to be about 1450$ per person. I'm unclear on what type of skills-training that might cover. But I am quite clear on BushCo's embraces of "Enron accounting principles",
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peterh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 10:26 PM
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19. We ain’t gonna do anything about the loses….
But we will send ya to this state-of-the-art Neil Bush training center….where you will be brainwashed…errrr… trained in gods way….
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 09:34 PM
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4. Double job training sounds about right
Edited on Sun Apr-04-04 09:36 PM by SoCalDem
Most people NEED at least TWO jobs to survive :evilgrin:

In all seriousness though, Training is USELESS, unless there are actual JOBS to work at..:)

and I would be willing to bet that once they "enroll" at a job trining facility, they will be "excused" from the unemployment rolls...(for accounting purposes)
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Mithras61 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 09:46 PM
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6. Just another initiative without funding...
just like all the other spending initiatives (like "No Child Left Behind") that he proposes to make work without giving them any money. For those who haven't learned how to interpret the double-speak, reining in costs and duplicative services means they're gonna cut the services and give less leeway to the people who make the funding decisions, which will actually result in FEWER people receiving funding for training.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 11:04 PM
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23. I believe the "New" training funds come from killing old training funds
But I am sure our media will analyse this for Truth or spin - so folks at DU need not check it out.

yeh - right -

:-)
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 09:46 PM
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7. let's see...$200 billion for an illegal invasion
$300 million for the retraining of US citizens in need of an honest job.

yep, sounds about right priority wise, for a *moron.
dp
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 09:48 PM
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8. I know corporations somehow get a kickback for displaced workers
training now. Hire someone considered a displaced worker by the state due to a mass layoff and you get some sort of gov't bennie for getting them training, that includes through the corporation on the job sort of "stuff".

This is interesting from the article:

Under Bush's plan, workers would receive tax dollars through individual accounts to purchase job training services from corporations, ``unions, faith-based providers, community colleges, other higher education institutions, trade and technical schools,'' one official said.

The programs would then be judged according to how long newly trained workers kept their new jobs and how well they were compensated.


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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 12:18 AM
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25. "Tax dollars"???? WHOSE tax dollars?
George, it doesn't help an unemployed person if you let him open a bank account with money he doesn't have because he doesn't have a job.

Let's see. Money in an account. How will that work, precisely, George? If it's YOUR money in MY account, how are you going to ensure how it's spent, George?

There's something REALLY, REALLY wrong with the account idea...I don't know what they're thinking of, but it has nothing to do with retraining or employment.

Who approves these educational venues, BTW?
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 09:50 PM
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9. Training for what? This is so blowing smoke up
someone's ass. Those with skills are the ones losing jobs. Go Merika!
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 11:46 PM
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24. Training in the proper way
to say "Would you like fries with that?" and "Will that be paper or plastic?" Advanced trainees will be taught the fine art of offering a shopping cart to entering customers.
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 03:46 AM
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29. training for what jobs?
most of the training programs out there now are training people for job that have been exported?

where's the gain when an unemployed machine shop worker is trained for a computer job that no longer exists?
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 06:43 AM
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32. shovel and pick training101
1. Making adobe bricks

2. The art of selling pencils and apples on the street corners

3. Bicycle repairs. (As automobiles disappear from the roads)
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loftycity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 09:59 PM
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10. All talk and no show, the new standard.
And this just smells after Friday's juiced up 308,000,00 part time jobs report.
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Florida_Geek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 10:05 PM
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11. This does not help * at all
By the time the people take his "free" training it will be past the election.
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mulethree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 10:06 PM
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12. Didn't he cut this in half early in his term?
I got that impression from Clinton's speech at the Dem Unification event recently.
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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 10:08 PM
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13. Ha ha ha
Cramming to get your term paper done chimpy boy?
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 10:10 PM
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14. bush is going to need some job training when he's kicked out in the fall
because he's simply not trained to do anything right.
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JaySherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 10:19 PM
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15. Training for what?
The deep-fryer and the cash register? Gimme a break.
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Eye and Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 10:25 PM
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18. "deep-fryer and the cash register" - manufacturing and financial services
According to BushCo's new Labor Department.
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ultramega Donating Member (160 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 10:31 PM
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20. If past behavior means anything, this means he'll soon
cut all funding for job re-training and declare community colleges unconstitutional.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 10:20 PM
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16. Training for what?
Do any of these programs suggest what makes sense to "train" for?

"by reining in the costs and duplicate services of existing programs"
So president generous isn't offering anything new,no money just "streamlining" some other "wasteful" program.



Just for fun it would be interesting to find out what is behind this program. My guess is that there is nothing behind this program.
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 10:23 PM
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17. Robust job growth???????????????
Talking point of the week, repeated ad nauseum even though it is totally false.

I guess this will help create another 300,000 low paying part time jobs with no benefits.
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The Zanti Regent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 10:53 PM
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21. Wow, are they gonna train us to make PIZZA and BIG MACS?
Wow, my dad used to make steel (until that died) and now his grandchildren can look forward to making burgers and pizza...

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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-04 11:04 PM
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22. But with all those new jobs, why would we need this?
The economy is positively booming, right?
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 12:31 AM
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26. Perhaps he can pay for plane tickets to India..
.. then we can all move to India to get our jobs back! Manufacturing jobs, well they'll have to move to China or Mexico to find work, I suppose.

Bastards!!! I KNOW they messed with the job numbers. ROBUST job growth.. my ass! It's seasonal hiring time, and it's part time jobs.
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 12:51 AM
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27. Will that include
Language training for Indian languages or Chinese?

What good is it to train people for jobs that will be shipped imm. to a cheap labor nation?
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tlcandie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 01:02 AM
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28. Double job training for what?
:shrug: To work in manufacturing at McD's? More smoke and mirrors to make it appear that they are helping the economy when in fact they are clueless or could care less. My guess is the latter.
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 07:37 AM
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33. Oh You KNow....Say Your Job
was in computer software...Bush is going to send you to college now to become a doctor - because health care is where the jobs are now.
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 05:49 AM
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30. The pre-outsourcing model is obsolete.
Retraining was plausible in the 80s and 90s when there were tech industries on the horizon waiting to replace the "old" rustbelt industries and absorb millions of newly trained workers. Today those tech and other industries are being sent offshore and there appears to be little or nothing on the horizon to replace them.

In the jungle you don't let go of the vine you're swinging on until another is within reach!
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 07:46 AM
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34. retraining for how to greet & put smiley face stickers on WalMart customer
and flip burgers
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Warren Stuart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 08:40 AM
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35. Add this to the list! Of phoney initatives
The last one was Broadband for the masses

Before that we were going to the Moon.

NCLB

I guess his polling is showing that the War is not as important as he would like, and that the economy is a more important issue.

He has a funny management sytle, ignore a problem until it becomes a crisis, then blame the crisis on your predecessor.
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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 08:48 AM
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36. looks "compassionate conservative", doesn't it....
another page out of the Bush MO.

Step 1: Photo Op/Speech on someone/something that could use some governmental assistance.

Step 2: Funding cut of those programs.

Step 3: Net assistance, zero.

Who's foolin' who?
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-04 09:38 AM
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37. Pack your bags, trainees, W's gonna privatize the jobs program
some lucky training contractor CEO is gonna make a lot of money! (trainees will be cut by large percentages)
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