George Soros Tells Progressive Donors Obama Might Not Be The Best Investment

[onehandle]

Source: Huffington Post

WASHINGTON -- At a private meeting on Tuesday afternoon, George Soros, a longtime supporter of progressive causes, voiced blunt criticism of the Obama administration, going so far as to suggest that Democratic donors direct their support somewhere other than the president.

The Hungarian-American financier was speaking to a small side gathering of donors who had convened in Washington D.C. for the annual gathering of the Democracy Alliance -- a formal community of well-funded, progressive-minded individuals and activists.

According to multiple sources with knowledge of his remarks, Soros told those in attendance that he is "used to fighting losing battles but doesn't like to lose without fighting."

"We have just lost this election, we need to draw a line," he said, according to several Democratic sources. "And if this president can't do what we need, it is time to start looking somewhere else."

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/17/george-soros-obama_n_785022.html

[NewJeffCT]

1. 21 recs without a response

but, I hope this Democracy Alliance & their allies can pressure the White House into fighting back more.

[emilyg]

2. #28

[daleanime]

31. What's left to say?

:banghead:

[SugarShack]

71. Well thanks to you Soros for funding him the first time, and creating this mess

HINT:

I saw your party in Boston at the 2004 convention for Obama. Bigger, more lavish than Kerry's. It was KERRY"S convention, not Obamas. Now look at the mess we have George....

[KoKo]

102. Are you saying Soros through a party at the 2004 Convention for Obama who wasn't running yet?

Is this because of the speech Obama gave? Is this usual at the Dem Convention to throw a party for the speechmaker? You are saying Soros was showing that he would give mucho money to back those who wanted Obama to run? Did he? :shrug:

[Dr.Phool]

111. Rule of thumb.

Look at the parties keynote speaker at the convention. You'll most likely see the next nominee.

[JDPriestly]

160. Mark Warner and Giuliani?

I doubt it.

http://www.observer.com/2008/politics/brief-history-democratic-convention-keynoters

That is a list of the keynote speakers at the Democratic Conventions in recent years.
Ann Richards? Evan Bayh? Mario Cuomo? Zell Miller? Harold Ford, Jr.? There is a definite trend toward conservatives in recent years. But other than that, the only recent keynote speaker who was nominated for the presidency is Obama.

[breadandwine]

133. Koko, Sugarshack is just trying to explain why Soros stinks.

As Glenn Beck told us in his many sermons on the mount, George Soros and the TIDES FOUNDATION are part of the Satanic cult of commie cappy socialist corporate Stalinist EVYIL come to take over DA VERLDT!

And Glenn Beck is the Messiah......

[democrat_patriot]

119. 'Cause hillary would be liberal. Pleeeease.

Hillary may have even lost. Imagine McCain in charge with palin as VP. It is Utopia compared to that scenario!

[swilton]

129. We have to do better than Hilary and Obama!

[defendandprotect]

147. Indeed, we have to DRAFT our own candidates and quit TPB approved ones--!!

[lark]

138. Actually, I think Hilary would have been much better

She's a fighter, not an appeaser like Obama. I just can't see her bending over the way he has. Is she my ideal candidate, no, too much a hawk. However, Obama has outhawked her, by allowed shrubs policies to continue, so even there, she wouldn't be any worse and most likely would be much better.

[defendandprotect]

146. Hilllary is part of DLC-corporate wing leadership-!! How could that be better????

[ChiciB1]

166. I THROUGHLY Agree With You "defendanprotect" The DLC Has Been

bringing THE Democratic Party down increment by increment, and it REALLY MUST STOP! I barely know this party anymore. But then, I'm one of the "f--king retards" to the LEFT of them!

I hardly recognize myself these days, and I really DO want to STAY a Democrat, as I have been since I was introduced to politics by my father when I was 11. And HE was a military man and a very STRONG Democrat at that!

It's truly sad that it's come to this, but I'm sure those who are speaking out now really don't like doing it. I KNOW it has hurt me a lot and I so wanted for Obama to succeed, even if he wasn't my first choice. And no, Hillary wasn't either, but I was PROUD that Democrats finally elected a black person as POTUS. And I would have been proud if it had been a woman too. So for me, it has NOTHING to do with race or gender. Of course, I am a female so that's a no brainer.

And so it goes...

[Grinchie]

171. The DLC counts on Blind Loyalty, just as much as the Republicans

It's outlined in Sheeple 101, and most people feel it is more important to be loyal to a corrupted party that is working against their interests, than to admit to themselves they they have been taken for fools time and again.

We see this in the "Fucking Retards" statements, but what they are really saying is "Oh fuck, people are getting wise.. better make them look stupid in hopes we can cling to power.

The trouble is that the fucking retards are not stupid and they know it. They have just decided not to go along with policies that continue to bankrupt the USA, further our decline, and export real jobs around the world for no particular reason.

My philosphy is very simple. The USA is the same as a human being -- a collection of specialized cells that have decided to work together for the benefit of the whole. Unfortunately, the Coroporations don't see it that way, and would rather behave like a fast growing cancer, stealing resources at the expense of the heart or the liver, causing the organism to eventually die off.

To this effect they demonize the term Socialism, despite the fact that it is the basis for the majority of the life on the planet, unless it is a fungus or a virus.

[ChiciB1]

180. Well, Given Your Medical Interpretations, Of Which I Also Agree, Plus

your analogy that THEY want SHEEPLE, I suggest we seek the intelligent PEOPLE, and try to extract a BONE MARROW transplant!

Those of us, whom they look down their noses at, are in fact looking at a REALITY that may well sink us. And it is "we" who want NEW BLOOD! Time to bare our fangs in search of it before WE are BLED DRY!

I LOVED your post, you FREE thinker YOU!
:toast:

[defendandprotect]

192. Love your reply --

Unfortunately, DLC/Rahm know we really have no where else to go --

we never actually ever quite get to the discussion re a Plan B ....

Nader estimates that 28 MILLION didn't vote. I don't think he meant

usual non-voters. And I think he meant Democrats who stayed home.

If we ever get this liberal/progressive/centrist left vote together ....

I imagine we could do something with it!!!


:)

[defendandprotect]

188. Agree with you and I know we all want Obama/Dems to succeed - I do -- !!!

Of course, I'm speaking out as forcefully as I can here because there seem to be

many still who want to believe this is working. But, of course, like you, I really

wish this party would get back on its feet!!


Also want to say feel exactly as you're outlining here ....

It's truly sad that it's come to this, but I'm sure those who are speaking out now really don't like doing it. I KNOW it has hurt me a lot and I so wanted for Obama to succeed, even if he wasn't my first choice. And no, Hillary wasn't either, but I was PROUD that Democrats finally elected a black person as POTUS. And I would have been proud if it had been a woman too. So for me, it has NOTHING to do with race or gender. Of course, I am a female so that's a no brainer.


:)

[RKP5637]

182. I've wondered about Hilliary too, but then I reached the same conclusion as you. n/t

[Carolina]

198. exactly, some here need a lesson in history

Bill, Hill and Liebermann were among the FOUNDERS of the DLC.

We need to shut the door on all of them and start with new, true LIBERALS!

[JDPriestly]

161. Have you ever seen the Code Pink encounter with Hillary over the Iraq War?

Code Pink was very nice. Hillary was very wrong and very stubborn and rude. I have not trusted her since I saw that video.

[kenfrequed]

140. Personally...

I saw little, if any, difference between candidate Obama and candidate Clinton. Both were appallingly short on specifics domestically and both were rather militaristic.

[trud]

142. Hillary and Obama, same principles

The only differences between Hillary and Obama are that Hillary was upfront about her plans, while Obama morphed his policies into hers after the election, and that Hillary is a fighter. But she wouldn't be fighting for an actual Democratic agenda.

[activa8tr]

176. Given the modern technology, blackberries, Apple computers, etc. it's IMPOSSIBLE that

Obama doesn't get the message from the left! He's not isolated from the real people out in America who wanted him to fight for the public option in health care, to fight for DADT before this election season, before the next congress. To fight for SALT, for unemployment reform, for more jobs for people and less bail out money to GM. To force a few thousand high paid execs to have to "suffer" on $300,000 a year without a bonus.

The message is out there, Obama is not fighting for the people that elected him. I love the man and his wife, but where's the fight?

[Vincardog]

179. where's the fight? This administration fights WITH us not FOR us

[RKP5637]

183. Yep, that's what I often see/hear! n/t

[activa8tr]

197. Agreed. n/t

[slay]

74. +1

:(

[vi5]

3. Put as simply as anyone could...

"used to fighting losing battles, but doesn't like to lose without fighting."

Hit the nail on the head. And I was planning on doing the same thing anyway. Where I would have previously donated to Democratic nominees or Democratic campaigns or the DNC I will now just donate to groups that support the causes I believe in and that I support (ACLU, NARL, NORML, Unions, etc). I can no longer count on most (most, not all) Democrats to fight hard for those causes so my money will go towards those who do. If the right candidate comes along I reserve the right to change my mind but I can assure you it will be nobody currently in any prominent position within the Democratic party, INCLUDING our president.

[elzenmahn]

22. K&R

If Obama would actually fight, and lose, I would have more respect for him.

But he gives in and capitulates, time after bloody time.

[bobbolink]

127. And so would the majority of voters.. have more respect if he actually *fought* and lost.

That sort of loss would be a win.

[emilyg]

27. +1

[donheld]

37. "doesn't like to lose without fighting."

That's been my complaint for a long time now. It seems Obama stopped fighting right after the election in 2008.
The only fight he has now is trying to get repugs to like him. He can't seem to be bothered with fighting for real
democratic/progressive values.

[defendandprotect]

60. We have the party of "NO" ... and the party of "NO RESPONSE" .....

[mazzarro]

78. May I Modify That?

We have the party of "NO" ... and the party of "NO MAS"

[TheEuclideanOne]

120. Actually, I don't think that is accurate either

"No Mas" would insinuate that we are begging for mercy. Please , stop, No more! In reality, we are not begging for mercy. The rhetoric is there and if you did not look at the actions, you would think that we were actually fighting. Instead, the words are there (to a degree), but the actions do not match the rhetoric at all.

[defendandprotect]

148. We now have one right wing party and one radical right wing party ... how's that???

[Larry Ogg]

163. Our two party system is like the right arm beating up the left arm

so as the sheep don't notice the beast that the two arm are connected to...

[TheEuclideanOne]

196. I would not call the democratic party a right wing party

At the same time I am not quite sure what to call it. The leadership acts in a very right wing fashion for sure, but the supporters don't support them in it. I definitely get your point, though. It is like a bad comedy skit where you have a translator speaking for somebody in a different language and the person speakin says one thing, but the translator speaks something completely different. Maybe not the perfect analogy, but I hope you get my point.

I guess in a way we have these two parties that now do not speak for the country, just a part of the country.

[roguevalley]

66. what astonishes me is that he doesn't truly see or hear the

suffering in this country.

[valerief]

125. Elites and their agents are shielded from that. nt

[defendandprotect]

149. Oh, great point ..... 50 million without health care now ... Americans suffering --

illnesses complicated by mistreatement and no treatment --

unemployment and loss of homes!!

Shameful! And we should keep saying that--!!

[notesdev]

4. The Clinton 2012 campaign has been launched! - nt

[ngant17]

8. can we have peace in 2012?

Doesn't seem like Hillary is much a peace-lover. Bummer.

[stevedeshazer]

28. No way.

Looking forward, not backward.

[heliarc]

44. Sure...

Clinton was WAY more successful at universalized health care, protecting us from the Right wing Congress and keeping the Federal Welfare system from being dismantled... snore.

:sarcasm:

[Chulanowa]

47. Of course she's not

But she'll get a pass at failing all those causes anyway. Know why?

'Cuase she has something in common with the last 43 administrations, something that Obama does not.

[Le Taz Hot]

88. Could you clarify your statement

because the way I interpreted it, and I'm hoping I'm wrong, is that ". . . she has something n common with the last 43 administrations, something that Obama does not" indicates that Progressives and others are turning against Obama because he's Black?

[Mimosa]

141. That's the new bulwark against the despairing criticism by Progressives

We must be racist. We weren't racist in late 2007 and through the primaries when we donated our money and time. Something must have happened to us.

[Chulanowa]

172. You hit it dead on

You'll notice that it's a common theme with black politicians, not just Obama; a much higher bar of expectations, an inordinate amount of hatred and bile when htey fail to meet these expectations, and dismissal of the achievement if they DO meet the expectations. If you've been watching, you can see how Obama is being given sole and total blame for the actions of people - white people - in the legislature and judicial, again and again.

Meanwhile Clinton can pass NAFTA and DADT and still end up the "big dog" who is greeted with big smiles and backslaps.

You may "hope you're wrong" and I'm rather wishing we both were. But this is what's going on. And if you want to bitch and wail about how this is just me trying to denigrate progressives, well, go ahead. But I wouldn't be saying this is it weren't evident. The unreasonable expectations, the level of vitriol, and the utter denial of any successes are clear hallmarks of applied racism; Obama is held to a different standard and is inflicted with different punishment than any of his white predecessors or colleagues. Charlie Rangell, Cynthia McKinney, John Conyers, and even Michael freakin' Steele have had to deal with the same bullshit.

[Le Taz Hot]

85. Clinton = Obama in a skirt.

No thanks. Feingold. Grayson. Dean. Now THOSE are names I can get behind.

[swilton]

132. +1

I'm starting to make up a similar list. Dean was on that list...I hadn't thought of Grayson or Feingold - I questioned Feingold for his approvals of Alito and Roberts on the Supreme Court.

Why not think out of the box (box = Democratic Party) further. If the Republicans run two candidates on the right (a candidate acceptable to the tea baggers and a real adult (i.e., Romney, Bloomberg) as Michael Moore suggests will happen), then this will split the Republican Party. Then there's Obama as a quasi-moderate bring up the left wing of the right. If a progressive challenges Obama from the left, they might have a chance with a split Republican Party. This is Moore's theory that a progressive would have a chance to win with less than 50% of the vote - Lincoln won under such a scenario....Ross Perot played the spoiler for the first George Bush and that's how Clinton got in. If Hilary runs, I still won't vote for her no matter how much I hold my breath and my nose. She has DLC backing, and also has her husband as baggage....Besides the DLC, it's the nepotism that I don't like.

Why not consider someone like Trumpka or Michael Moore or similar left of the DLC candidates.

[leeroysphitz]

95. Try Grayson or Dean.

Clinton and Obama are virtually indistinguishable policy wise. Maybe it's time for Democrats to elect a liberal or two... Just for shits and giggles.

[NorthCarolina]

106. Ummm...I think folks will be looking for CHANGE. Not more DLC triangulation

3-dimensional chess, or right-of-center conservative politics. I am SO done with the DLC.

Clinton-DLC-:puke:

[Purveyor]

5. Ouch. That ought to 'leave a mark'... eom

[AlienGirl]

6. 2012 is still a lifetime away. nt

[truthisfreedom]

14. I'm with you.

It's too soon to tell.

[defendandprotect]

61. Unfortunately, think the country needs hope ... and if someone like

Whitehouse or Feingold or Dean were campaigning it might life everyone's spirits?

[AngryAmish]

93. Especially if you are a fruit fly

[sendero]

94. Not when our president..

... makes is crystal clear that he has learned NOTHING from his loss of the house, NOTHING.

If anything he is sucking up to the Repubs even more.

But there is a simpler reason he will not be a two term president, it starts with an E and ends with a Y and has CONOM in the middle.

Things are not going to be substantially better in 2012 so all incumbents will be at risk, again.

[AllyCat]

159. Agreed, except it will only be Dem incumbents.

The Dems are not able to defend themselves from the usual neo-con lies.

[Grassy Knoll]

42. I think Soros just pwned Glenn Beck. n/t

[heliarc]

45. +100 nt

[cyr330]

7. I'll keep donating to the ACLU, MoveOn.Org, etc. for now

But I don't see myself giving to the Obama Campaign until 2012. I am not happy with him, but I generally always give to the Dem Candidate, whoever it is.

[Samantha]

9. Keith is leading off with this story right now, fyi - n/t

[defendandprotect]

32. Quite something -- and I agree with Soros ... about time someone said it --!!!

Waiting to see it again after O'Donnell -- !!

But I still don't see any liberal/progressive Dems stepping up to challenge

Obama -- that should have happened long ago --

Maybe Byron Dorgan should have been one of them -- astonishing they way he

got pounded for trying to allow Medicare to "negotiate" on drug prices with

Big Pharma!!

And, Dorgan was also trying to reinstate Glass-Steagall which we desperately need!!

We need candidates who aren't hand picked and sponsored by TPB/corporate --

pre-bribed and pre-owned.

We also need a candidate who will PLEDGE to fight on the issues we are discussing

here every day -- and end these wars -- and the bankrupting of our treasury!!

[Name removed]

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[AndyTiedye]

12. Then we Get President Huckabee or President Palin

and no, we won't get over either of those in 4 years, or ever.

[pnorman]

59. That's about the size of it.

"Primarying" out an incumbent President, "might" be a good thing, but ONLY in the very long run. It might take 2, 3, or even more Presidential election cycles before things get set to right. WHO here feels that this country (or the world) has that much time left?

[Grinchie]

174. We don't have much time left, and people know it.

This is pretty much the reason why people stayed home this past election, as they see that the 2 party system is as totally manipulated as the Stock Market and the Monte Carlo economy that produces nothing but articles of War and Fear.

I go out of my way to ask people their feelings on the most important topics that face us today, and as a farmer, I make sure I ask them about what they think of the food supply afforded to us. 95% of the time, people are truly disgusted with the quality and toxicity of the food supply, and the other 5% are just plain clueless, and parrot the same Corporate party line that the USDA promulgates in regards to nutrition.

People are starting to get the picture that this cheap food is actually harming their health, and they are paying attention to the Corporate cronies being appointed to the regulatory agencies.

After decades of research and personal experience, I truly feel that the majority of Americans are malnourished and are for the most part incapable of sustained analytical thought brought about by government sanctioned malnutrition. Instead, we have reactionary thought processes, driven by a high sugar diet that are very comfortable with Fox news and idiots like Glenn Beck that would have been considered idiots not to long ago.

We don't have that much time left, and I think the majority of people are preparing for the difficult times ahead.

I know I am.

[pnorman]

194. I don't think you really read my post.

Please read it again, BUT C*A*R*E*F*U*L*L*Y this time! Thank you.

[Grinchie]

199. I read it, but my post was to say that 2-4 elections cycles may not happen

There are incredible changes occurring on the surface of the planet, yet people seem to be infatuated with Sarah Palin. Why is this? Why is it that Executives from Monsanto can allow Genetically Modified Alfalfa into the ecosystem without any safeguards or plans should it pollute the DNA of natural plants?

Why are we talking about Genetically modifed Salmon when we can't even maintain the habitat of wild salmon?

Why is the weather all over the planet in such chaos, yet Americans trudge along in their gilded cage, performing generally unproductive tasks, while consuming all along the way?

Why is it that America is no longer capabale of manufacturing Masking Tape, Toothbrushes, or Hand Tools?

Why is is that everyone is so focused on one topic at a time, while the world crumbles around them, sight unseen?

Nope, I read your post, and while you may be focused on the Election Cycles that may or may not come to correct this situation, I am focused on the more wide spread issues that will ultimately affect you and I and all the people of the world when the tipping point arrives.

Not doom and Gloom, but just a reminder that politicians will not feed your kids or dress your wounds when the time comes.

[pnorman]

200. I too am hoping for the best, but "primarying out" an incumbent presiden has a dismal track record.

My firm belief is that we're just a few minutes before Midnight, and several "tipping points" are now in current news. Hence, my shuddering at the thought of having to go through so many election cycles before things might get better

In irritation/frustration, I had let a bit of snarkiness creep into my last posting. My apologies, and THANKS for not replying in kind.

[roguevalley]

67. you assume on thing just because someone finally with power and

prestige kicked Obama's ass.

[Vincardog]

155. Not if Obama decides that 'For the good of the Democratic party and the Good of the Country he needs

to spend more time with his family and allow someone more willing to fight take the reins'.

[AndyTiedye]

173. And Who Would That Be?

[Vincardog]

175. RALF NADER

[AndyTiedye]

177. yeah right

:rofl:

[Vincardog]

178. It is just as likely as Obama stepping aside for the good of the country

[defendandprotect]

19. We need something other than candidates given to us by TPB...

CAN WE DRAFT MICHAEL MOORE -- ???

:evilgrin:

[superduperfarleft]

24. "Pink tutu" guy? Yeah, I'll pass. n/t

[defendandprotect]

26. First, I took it as sexist .... and I'll give him one ... Second, certainly hope

that someone took this up with him --

Michael should hear that what he said was a mistaken whether homophobic or

sexist -- and he's a reasonable guy so don't think we'd have a problem with

his fixing this!

Anyway, not like Obama is backing gay marriage or ending DADT -- !! :eyes:

[Eric Condon]

73. So one stupidly phrased remark invalidates his lifetime of work on behalf of progressive causes?

Look, it was a stupid remark, he shouldn't have made it, and offensive comments are always offensive, but they also don't exist in a vacuum, either. This is why a Mel Gibson is worse than a Michael Richards - fucking up one time is NOT the same as a consistent pattern of behavior.

Had Moore's comment come from someone with a history of making similarly baiting comments, it would have been a lot more problematic. As it stands, it was a stupid slip-up, but it doesn't erase the work Moore has done. Especially considering that with his raising awareness about healthcare inequities in this country (which disproportionately affect women, owing to a lot of factors), it's probably fair to say Michael Moore has done more for women in America than this administration has.

[HughBeaumont]

86. Trust me on this: with some people, you say ONE thing that offends them more than ANYthing . . .

. . . then everything you've done or stood up for is instantly negated.

Silly, I know, but so goes life. And DU. Apparently, people have to be absolutely perfect or they're a shit. There IS no room for error.

[NorthCarolina]

109. It is usually as a consequence of not liking the person to begin with, and itching for anything to

take issue with.

[elzenmahn]

30. Remember the Supreme Court...

If Obama loses in 2012 and a Repub takes the WH, then expect more appointments of Alito/Roberts/Scalia clones. We need to put more reasonable-minded justices in there - at least we get a better chance of that with a Dem than a Repub.

[defendandprotect]

63. That's your fear talking ... we are talking about a Democratic liberal/progressive ....

preferably one who is a HUMANIST --

and who would actually appoint liberal/progressives to the SC who would create

more humanist and humane policies -- like ending capital punishment for the second time!!

[AndyTiedye]

11. I'll Give, But Only to Keep Sarah Palin and Her Ilk Out of the White House

Dunno if it will do any good though, any time the Repiggies need more money,
they can hit Aetna and UHC up for a nice big check, and the insurers can just
jack up our rates again to pay for it.
:grr:

[defendandprotect]

21. What other Democratic candidate would you support for president .... none?

How about Whitehouse --

How about Feingold --

How about ..... ????

[demwing]

13. Looking reasons to believe that "Obama Disatisfaction"

isn't just felt by the so-called professional left?

Well, if $1,000,000 could buy just 1, Soros would own over 14 thousand of those reasons. (and I bet he could influence the market on another 14K.

[24601]

15. His language implies a "bought & paid for" mentality. Bad. n/t

[defendandprotect]

23. That's all we have is candidates "bought & paid for" ....!!!! Obama sponsored by HC industry!!

One of his largest sponsors -- same with Baucus!!

How did that work for you?

Should Obama have made back room deals with Big Pharma to keep Medicare from

negotiating on drug prices to preserve industry profits?

Should Obama have made back room deals with private health care industry to

keep "single-payer" off the table?

As long as we have a system where the wealthy are giving us the candidates we

get to vote for -- I'll take liberal sponsors over right wing sponsors!!

[jtuck004]

16. I'm with you George. n/t

[xocet]

17. k & r n/t

[defendandprotect]

18. Obama needs to step down ....! Day afte relection "more compromise, more bipartisanship"--!!

Boggles the mind!

[ProSense]

20. "Mr. Soros fully supports the president as the leader of the Democratic Party,"

<...>

"Mr. Soros fully supports the president as the leader of the Democratic Party," said Vachon. "He was not suggesting that we seek another candidate for 2012. His comments were made in a private, informal conversation that was about the need for progressives to be more forceful in promoting their agenda. He was stressing the importance of being heard by elected officials."

<...>

While Soros's comment gave some attendees the impression that he'd cheer a primary challenge to the president, the point, sources say, was different. Rather, it is time to shuffle funds into a progressive infrastructure that will take on the tasks that the president can't or won't take on.

"People are determined to help build a progressive infrastructure and make sure it is there not just in the months ahead but one that will last in the long term," said Anna Burger, the retired treasury secretary of SEIU. "Instead of being pushed over by this election it has empowered people to stand up in a bigger way."

<...>

One of those "movement" ventures is an outside-government arm to match conservatives in the 2012 elections. For several weeks, discussions have been led by Media Matters for America founder David Brock about the need to create a group that will run advertisements, conduct opposition research and perform rapid response functions. Those talks continued this past week, though disputes have begun to emerge about the most effective role for such a group. As one activist who is involved with the Democracy Alliance noted:

<...>

Soros' comments sounds like he's telling progressives to stop focusing on President Obama and focus on building a movement and support organizations similar to his alliance with David Brock.

[andym]

76. A strong progressive infrastructure? Wow-- a great idea

something like this could help push for the change that is needed.

[hulka38]

117. He wanted to send a serious warning to Obama

because he is disappointed in him but Soros didn't want this to blow up into what it has become. Is that fair?

[Greyhound]

165. LOL!

:rofl:

[RetroLounge]

185. Thank god!

The Blue Links(tm) swoop in to save Obama once again!!!

:rofl:

RL

[BrklynLiberal]

25. Maybe THIS willbe the wake up call that Obama needs to finally stand up for those that

elected him.

[defendandprotect]

52. Sadly, I think this exposes how little the vote is worth vs the $$$$ .....

Obama didn't have to raise additional money -- he raised huge amounts in small

lots from the voters --

When candidates take money from corporations there are obvious problems with loyalties.

[BrklynLiberal]

96. OMIGAWD! You are absolutely right!!!!! $$ buys the loyalty...not the voters!!!

With the money, you can buy all the votes you need!!! How sad.

[disndat]

123. A wake up call and a bomb up

Obama's behind. Soros has the people's well being at heart. Threatening Obama with Dean as the most viable alternative.

[Poll_Blind]

29. Watch Keith's segment from tonight right here on DU (LINK):

HERE

PB

[Turborama]

46. Thanks, after watching it I am now convinced that he didn't mean what the title of this OP says

I want to hear what Soros himself has to say about this. But for now it seems that people are reading into it what they want to hear. Looking at it objectively, it's more of a suggestion that the donations of campaign money might be better spent on other organizations than just giving it directly to Obama, http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=4618921&mesg_id=4619171">as ProSense said above.

[mazzarro]

79. Whichever Way The Message Is Read

It is still a repudiation of the WH approach to handling the GOP/Teapublicans and minimizing liberals/progressives.

[Turborama]

82. Maybe, but unless Soros actually comes out and says he meant President Obama should be primaried

I will take http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x525883">his advisor's word for what he meant, instead of going by a headline from The Huffington Post.

[Vidar]

33. Soros is right.

[Reader Rabbit]

34. He's a rich guy, so better chance of Obama listing to him than us.

Just sayin'.

[midnight armadillo]

48. There's a book...

let's see now...here it is.

Only The Super-Rich Can Save Us
http://www.amazon.com/Only-Super-Rich-Can-Save-Us/dp/1583229035/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1290056999&sr=8-1

[defendandprotect]

54. Agree ... amazing that the Democrats didn't call out their voters to support

MEDICARE FOR ALL --

Nor have they called out their voters to demonstrate against the agenda

of the T-baggers -

That is, of course, by design!

As we complain on and on about the lack of response by Democrats we have to

also remember that "Silence is also a response!" --

Sadly!!

[ProudDad]

35. Oooops. There goes his "Medal of Freedom"!!!

:rofl:

[creon]

36. not just obama

he is not the only one. There are the Democrats in Congress. None of them report to Obama; he did not hire them; he cannot fire them.

The Democratic Party had a majority of 29. How many Democrats are "blue dogs"? 54?

If you want progressive legislation you need a progressive majority in the two houses. If you don't, you will get what you got.

A working majority does not last long in the USA, as the public mood is prett volatile.

[defendandprotect]

57. Meanwhile, the DLC was putting more conservative pro-corporate Dems ...

in -- even when there was a more liberal Democrat in place!

And how many elections had no opposition again to Republican candidates???

Howard Dean ended that practice -- and Rahm brought it back again!!

That's simply doing a favor for the GOP!

[mazzarro]

81. Ditto

Absolutely right!

[creon]

112. True

Shooting yourself in the foot.

[SteveM]

186. Yep. "Polarized" politics requires at least 2 poles. We don't have that.

[Mosaic]

38. Americans need a real Progressive

Someone with guts, someone who will fight for the common good, someone who has his priorities straight, someone serious about peace, someone who will set up this country for success in the 21st century. Obama may need to let a strong leader run in his place. America is ripe for an FDR type presidency, not watered down failed republicanism. No matter how big their balls, ours have to be bigger.

[defendandprotect]

58. Someone who will sign a PLEDGE? ...... cause unfortunately as Pelosi said ....

"Obama was for a lot of things when he was campaigning .... that he is no longer for!"

What we need beside the Democratic label is a liberal progressive who is a HUMANIST!!

[HughBeaumont]

90. Evil has way too much money, power, influence and guns on it's side.

Maybe Soros and others of his monetary level need to put their money where it could TRULY do the most damage to the Conservative Junta - a news network that actually reports news and uncovers the uncensored and unvarnished truth behind corporate/MIC evil.

Influence could be one of the most powerful tools in swaying public opinion. Unfortunately, it's all on the conservative side of the coin. After all, it's not like progressives have their own widespread network to tell the truth as opposed to the reality of Faux barking RNC/Corporate politburo lies 24-7.

[SteveM]

187. Well, I ain't evil and I got plenty of guns.

[killbotfactory]

39. Yes, Obama isn't the goddamned messiah.

If you want real change in this country you have to organize a mass movement of people. Unfortunately the left seems to be hopelessly disorganized, and under the spell of people who earn their paychecks by feeding into a narrative that keeps us bitter, jaded, and disorganized.

None of the most progressive change in our nations history has come from politicians acting benevolently because they felt like it, and none of the changes people here stridently demand can be enacted by the whim of a president alone.

It is an extreme rarity when a politician does what is right for the country simply because it is right for the country, and they usually get punished for it.

[Iliyah]

53. Agreed BUT

this is the 21th Century. Progressive/Liberals care. Big different concerning the GOP. With the help of the media, the GOP, Tea whatevers, Wall Street, and the right of the Supreme Court, money matters. Fu** up the little/small people.

[defendandprotect]

56. Wait ... the T-baggers are a $$ created movement ...like everything else the right wing does...

and they are run out of a PR firm which gives them automatic exposure in media!

Why didn't the Democrats call out their own members/voters who would have come out

for free to support MEDICARE FOR ALL?

Why haven't the Democrats called out their voters/members to demonstrate against

the agenda of the T-baggers?

Yes -- we need a movement -- but silence of Demcoratic Party is also a response!!


PS: Hey, here's one .... could they have at least printed up some MEDICARE FOR ALL

buttons -- ????

[andym]

77. Hey, we should have done it at the grass roots level last year, starting it right here at DU

It would have been inexpensive for each DUer to print 5 Medicare For All buttons, give 4 to friends and then ask them to do the same....

[defendandprotect]

154. The point is... T-baggers are in a PROTECTED situation ... they come out with rifles!!

They are protected by the GOP --

Democrats didn't even protect their own town hall meetings!!

Notice that the people getting their arrested and their heads stomped on are LIBERALS!!

We needed rallies sponsored by Democratic Party -- and protected by them!

[wordpix]

181. hey, we had 2 comedians calls us out against teabaggers - more power than Congress'l Dem majority

:sarcasm: Unfortunately, it took Colbert and Stewart to get the anti-teabags out to the Mall, while the Dems slept. And Colbert-Stewart didn't even tell their people to go out and vote.

[orbitalman]

40. K & R

[orbitalman]

41. K & R

[Turborama]

43. "according to several Democratic sources"

Rather than relying on anonymous sources, I'll wait to hear what Mr Soros himself says about this.

[tomm2thumbs]

49. self-delete

[defendandprotect]

50. Good -- Do we have to DRAFT Dean .... ???

[tomm2thumbs]

51. Dean -good question

I self-deleted, figured it would only aggravate folks.

Bloomberg/Dean 2012 - cuz I can wait a few years <grin>

[defendandprotect]

55. NOOOO on Bloomberg .... !! YES on DEAN ... but we have to stay away from .

anyone TPB want to preselect for us -- or anyone who is going to take

corporate money --

No DLC -- No "New Dems" -- and I'd look at anyone willing to be a Democrat --

for instance Sen. Bernie Sanders???

The Democratic Party label isn't sufficient anymore -- we need a Democratic HUMANIST!!

Edited to ask ...

Why in the heck would you want to put a former Repug -- multi-millionaire or is he a

billionaire in the WH????

We have a Congress overloaded now with millionaires and multi-millionaires and they all

need to be tossed out as time goes by.

Shirley, there are Democrats around who aren't millionaires yet?

[tomm2thumbs]

62. welp

sometimes folks with the money do change as they get older - and I'd feel better relying on a wealthy President who answers to no one on the way in than someone who owed favors and promises to a corporate sponsor. Besides, if he put Dean as his VP, that would send a huge signal about his belief system.

But alone, or with another VP - of course not.

[defendandprotect]

64. Rather, I think Bloomberg's "belief system" is quite clear to me -- $$$$$$$

We have to stop judging everything by the yardstick of a dollar bill --

It is people -- not bus-i-ness which is important --

We could have completely missed the Industrial Revolution and Capitalism and

have been ahead of the game in so far as protecting the planet and humanity

from the suicidal exploitations of capitalism!

And trust that Dean would have the wisdom to avoid anyone like Bloomberg --

though I have no doubts that Bloomberg is highly interested!


Lots of Democrats around -- it's not just about the Democratic label -- it's

also about needing a liberal/progressive -- and most of all someone who is a humanist!

[tomm2thumbs]

68. true

although he's quite liberal on social issues - pro-abortion, pro-gay-marriage, he supports the Islamic Center in lower Manhattan. Not perfect, but beneficial mentality on some levels.

added link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgMYjhO4wK4

wish our current President could be as open-minded

and direct

[defendandprotect]

150. Wish we could draft Sen. Bernie Sanders ....

Sanders might agree to wear the Dem label for a while?

[tavalon]

89. Dean-Weiner or Dean-Grayson

Caveat, if Obama wants a second term, I will not advocate primary challenges. But if he decides to step down (Lyndon Johnson did and we weren't really prepared for that).

Edited to add: I think Nixon won in 68, not only because one of the Democrats was assassinated but because the Democrats had to scramble since LBJ didn't announce until the beginning of the primaries.

[Iwillnevergiveup]

70. Absolutely

no to Bloomberg. He was out in California campaigning for Meg Whitman fer crying out loud.

[flamingdem]

72. He's dangerous in the sense that he can run for president on his own funding!

And split the vote.

[Douglas Carpenter]

65. a billionaire currency speculator is losing faith in President Obama

It is nice that George Soros supports many progressive causes with the weight of all the money he acquired through currency speculation given how things actually are and I have no reason to doubt his sincerity and I certainly deplore the outrageous anti-Semitic smears by a despicable character like Glen Beck. But there is no denying that Mr. Soros is one of the leading advocates and practitioner of the most reckless and irresponsible forms of casino capitalism - shifting billions into rabid currency and other financial speculation - enterprises that neither produce goods or services or create jobs - but instead create havoc.

Anyone who thinks Hillary Clinton or Howard Dean or anyone else likely to be a viable competitor for the Democratic nomination are going to be any less controlled by the corporations, Wall Street and the military industrial complex are either clearly quite unaware - if not willfully ignorant or blind to their actual record.

[earth mom]

75. Best post on this thread! Soros is only looking out for his "investments" -just like the rest

of the Wall Street Casino Bankster Gangsters who are responsible for this mess.

Soros is just another obscenely rich guy who has no clue what the middle class and poor are going through and could really care less.

[Democat]

80. The left needs more billionaire backers, not less.

This is not an attack on your specific comment, because you seem reasonable enough to me.

However, we progressives have a problem. Any millionaire, no less billionaire, is automatically suspect because he or she is rich. The only way that we are ever going to be able to have equal representation in the media, or powerful think tanks and other infrastructure that is needed to fight the right wing, is to have some rich people on our side, just like the right does.

The days of poor people taking to the streets with guillotines are long gone. To fight against the right wing is going to cost money. A lot of money. We can't reject everyone who has money and expect to win this fight.

[markmyword]

69. Mr. Atlas Where Are You?

Charles Atlas, the little guy who got tired of sand being
kicked in his face, by the bullies, that he developed his own
bodybuilding program.

Barack Obama(the very clever and intelligent guy who we
elected President)is in dire need of Charles Atlas, to give
him the guts to stand up to these Republican bullies.

No need to cower after the Charles Atlas program, Obama would
have the backbone not only to stand up for the American
people, but tell the Republicans just who is the boss around
here.

Charles Atlas where are you?

P.S. I think Mr. Soros, who's made billions on his
investments,knows a good investment when he sees one. I think
he's on the mark with this one. 

[Bryn]

83. I did an advertising for George Soros while back at Miami Herald

I did a full page of adv for him, it was fully against President G W Bush at the time. Soros paid thousands of dollars for that full page so I thought.... Yah! A good guy! That was back in 2004 before I took an early retirement.

Who knows?

[Enthusiast]

84. K&R

Like Mr. Soros I need to have the impression that my political allies are fighting on my behalf.

[tavalon]

87. I'm not for a primary against the sitting President

but has anyone considered that he might just pull a Lyndon Johnson? We kind of need to be thinking about that. Figuring out who should be at the ready just in case.

[NorthCarolina]

107. If Obama has a Liberal/Progressive primary challenger, I'm going with the Liberal/Progressive

candidate"."

[tavalon]

190. Read up on the Carter/Kennedy problem and how it contributed

to Reagan taking the White House. And as much as we like to amuse ourselves with Palin running in 2012, when the group is winnowed, we will be dealing with Jeb Bush, so even as idealistic as I am, even I'm not willing to let another Bush in and that's what dividing ourselves during a primary will do. We will be weakened and end up with another Bush. No, I'm not going there.

[NorthCarolina]

191. I'm not about to accept another right-of-center DLC New Dem being shoved down my throat

regardless of the consequences. They want my vote, then they better start running candidates that are in tune with the people, and not another corporatist. It wasn't the Progressive Dems in Congress that took a beating this year. That is the message the Dems should be seriously considering right now.

[tavalon]

195. You don't know how much I agree with you

and yet, the new boss is a little kinder than the old boss. We need to be focusing on grassroots while he holds the line (albeit poorly) and using up our energy primarying him seems counterproductive. Please don't get the idea I like him. He lied to become President and he hasn't governed as he promised. That said, we primary him and we get Jeb Bush and I'm not willing to go there. He's the smarter one but imagine this - he's meaner. He actually is.

[shimmergal]

128. Yes,

we do need to be prepared in case this should happen. That's the minimum we can do.

[tavalon]

189. Exactly, If Obama decides not to put up with our shit for another 4 years

which is unlikely but still possible, I think we need to have a strategy in place that doesn't include running around screaming, pissing and moaning.

[Fruittree]

91. So now we have billionaires on one side vs.

billionaires on the other and from what I see on this post, a lot of people just fall in line. "Oh, this saviour didn't work so let's go get another one. Someones got to be able to fix everything for us and right now!!" Never mind that fixing everything means different things to different people and never mind that the next person would be fighting the same entrenched interests. Unless something unusual happens, I'm voting for Obama and will be actively involved because the alternative contrary to what people on this post want to believe is not Feingold...not Dean...not Hillary - The alternative is on TLC or Fox News. Plus, Obama is doing a good job - what do people not see???

[still_one]

92. I have a lot of beefs with Obama, but who the hell cares what soros thinks. Of course huffington

will pick this shit up, as they do anything that is anti-Obama

So what is soros going to do if Obama is the nominee?

Maybe he isn't doing too well on some of his investments, after all he is a fucking hedge fund investors, and I can't say I have too much respect for hedge funds

[jerseyjack]

97. Obama is useless but the argument isn't about messaging.

It's about working to get things done. Obama capitulates in the name of bipartisanship and then we get shit legislation or no legislation as a result.

I will vote for Obama in a general election but that's the limit of my support for him.

[still_one]

100. I agree with everything you said. I am just not thrilled by the messenger or huffington /nt

[politicalmajority]

98. Obama Should Submit His Resignation Now or Announce That He Won't Run in 2012.

Howard Dean for President in 2012!!!

[iamforobama]

99. Goodbye DU I am not for Obama anymore the "right" has been

successful in destroying him and like most of us agree he has abandoned those who elected him.. I can't change my handle in DU so I will leave. I am no longer excited over Obama and am sorry we elected someone who let the right run all over him...........

[sellitman]

105. You are leaving after 32 WHOLE posts?

Don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out.

:nopity:

[florida08]

101. Soros gets it

He's not throwing Obama under the bus. He's saying what most of us have been all along.

We need to draw a line..and if this president can't do what we need..it is time to start looking somewhere else

Personally I've seen too much bipartisanship capitulation. When we try to push/encourage this administration we get yelled at. Soros has been a supporter of democratic ideals for 30 years. He's a highly successful businessman as well. He supported the bailouts. He supported HCR. He supported decriminalizng marijuana. The right hates him.

But he's not enthusiastic about Bernanke and QE2. He has said it could very well hurt the confidence in the dollar. I'm not sure Obama understands these things as well as Soros and the advice he's getting is lacking. Soros has said Obama shouldn't compromise. He's right. He's up against a force that will not concede to anything good for the majority in America.

Now we have Palin saying she could beat him in 2012. Palin! While she probably won't she had the moxie to say it. Obama needs to find his.

[harun]

103. Good summary, Soros is right.

[florida08]

116. thanks. now if I could just remember the spellchecker

:hi:

[olegramps]

108. The situation is really pathetic.

The very thought of someone of the ilk of Palin being elected is enough make you cry in despair. We had such hope in a better future when we worked to get Obama elected. Our enthusiasm was not limited to our nation but his election was heralded throughout the world. I am at a loss as to just what in the hell went wrong.

Was it his unrealistic belief that he could actually get the Republicans to work with him to right the ship? Well we all know that his bipartisanship crap was a fucking disaster. Was it the his appointments that many saw as a continuation of the DLC's caustic influence that has brought his administration discredit? Many of my friends that worked for his election have concluded that he is hopelessly naive in not realizing that the Republicans, and most especially the racist Southern element, actually don't just disagree with him, but despise him because he is regarded as being Black. I have relatives in the South and many of them are just as racist as were their KKK grandfathers. They refer to President Obama in the most derogatory terms that I wouldn't repeat; the infamous "N" word being the least offensive. It isn't limited to the beer swilling nincompoops either.

I can't help from wondering if we had elected a white man or women that the Republicans would have been more conducive to cooperate and would have been treated much differently by the media for their obstructionism. This nation has come a long way in my lifetime but it has a long way to go. Jim Crow mentality is very much alive and not restricted to solely to our Southern citizens. I hate to say it but perhaps the nation just wasn't ready to accept the fact that a Black person, regardless of their accomplishments, is even equal to white redneck bum.

[florida08]

118. unrealistic..naive

I would agree with that. He has been hammered pretty hard. Clinton was investigated to the hilt. I know Issa is steadily working to find someone to subpoena. The pundits I would say have been the worse at their racial innuendoes. You know the ones. The media is very complicit now in reporting every negative thing that is said toward him. We have to hear every thought that Palin projects on the internet and she now has her own show. The GOP has a lot of wealth on their side to promote their agendas and plenty of sheep willing to do it. But yes I hear the slurs as well. But we know those people are in the GOP along with the skinheads..white supremacists etc.

We're aren't controlling our message unfortuantely. And Obama's compromising on important issues angers those who devoted themselves to his being elected. Either you define yourself or your enemy will. This is I'm afraid what has happened. Obama is now a compromiser. That doesn't say leader. He has the leadership qualities but his pragmatism usually wins. Well sometimes a win is not a win.

All is not lost..we live to fight another day!

:hi:

[okieinpain]

131. what went wrong is there was no progressive/liberal response

to the teabaggers. they made all of the noise and dems/progressive/liberals just pointed fingers at president obama.

[defendandprotect]

152. Obama/Dems should be calling out their members/voters to respond ....

Did you happen to notice any Democratic rallies for MEDICARE FOR ALL?

Of course not -- Obama was making back room deals with Big Pharma and with

the private HC industry NOT to include single payer and NOT to permit Medicare

negotiation on drug prices.

Did you happen to notice any Democratic rallies to counter the T-bagger agenda?

T-baggers are funded by Kock Bros/Oil -- and run out of a PR firm ....

Everything the right wing does is funded by rw elites --

And that includes Christian Coalition, Dobson's group - Bauer's group and everything

after that!

[florida08]

158. good point...and why the message is so important

[pattmarty]

104. What we have with Obama is a "place holder". It may not get worse......

.......(ala "W"), but it ain't gonna get any fucking better either. For the next two years it will more than likely be a "rerun" of the last two, with different characters but the same script. We have finally done it here, created our very own version of fascism. We are fucked.

[happygoluckytoyou]

110. OBAMA 2008.... but maybe NOT 2012.... KEEP YOUR PROMISES FOOL

THAT IS WHY THEY ARE CALLED PROMISES!!!!!!!

[babsbunny]

113. # 200

:toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast:

[anachro1]

114. Barack, get honest with your supporters.

You had no intention of keeping your promises.

You sure talk pretty, though.

[SammyWinstonJack]

122. +1.

:thumbsup:x3

[54anickel]

115. That title sadly sums up what's so wrong with our election process. It is true, but still sad. n/t

[Roy Rolling]

121. He would know . . .

"they" say he is the puppetmaster LOL (that's sarcasm in case you don't know) But seriously, his timing and P.R. is as bad as Obama's. Why not send both to a good class on P.R.?

[AngryOldDem]

124. Unfortunately, we're stuck with him for 2012.

If the party would put up a challenger, I think it will be disastrous. It can't back away from Obama now. I guess it's true: We need to stick with the one who "brung" us to the dance.

SO looking forward to voting again. :sarcasm:

[Poll_Blind]

135. Uh, Obama didn't bring us to the dance. We brought him.

He danced with the Republicans. He danced and danced and danced. And something like 9 million people didn't vote in 2010 who did vote in 2008- when they were the key to getting Obama elected. Michael Moore has spoken a great deal on this point.

No, Obama got to the dance after getting out of our car and then proceeded to blow us off until he needed something- 2010. I voted straight Dem down the line, I'm mostly sure just about everybody here probably did. But the people he'd inspired to vote for him and the Democratic party in 2008 had long been turned off and were no-where to be found.

They didn't vote for the Republicans in 2010.

They just didn't vote.

So, as politely as possible, fuck that noise.

Those that can not deliver their promises are out.

This isn't just me and it isn't just Cenk or Keith or Rachel or Michael Moore or George Soros- this is Dems in the House like Peter DeFazio of all people. When DeFazio votes for delaying the vote on minority whip you better goddamn well believe there is a serious problem with the way the Democratic Party is being run.

PB

[Milo_Bloom]

126. I wonder if he has something/someone in mind for a 3rd party challenge?

[swilton]

134. It may be a fourth party

if the civil war within the GOP continues.

I'm all for it! And I'm glad Soros is raising this early enough that the progressive movement can come up with a viable candidate.

[defendandprotect]

151. Well ....

wouldn't Sen. Bernie Sanders be perfect for that -- he could be a

Democrat for a while -- why not?

[panzerfaust]

130. He speaks the truth

[craigmatic]

136. He's right. Sometimes it feels like Obama is purposely sabotaging the progressive agenda.

[molly77]

137. Where was George Soros when money was needed for the 2004 recount in Ohio?

Liberal in name only. Get out of politics billionaires.

[joeybee12]

156. Um, the problem was Edwards not wanting it because he didn't want

to hurt his chances in 2008...no one asked Soros to fund...Kerry backed off quickly.

[BetsysGhost]

168. odd statement molly77

how much $$$ is John Kerry worth?

[tjwash]

139. Is Soros still pumping and dumping foreign currency?

And destroying the economies of developing countries like he did all through the 90's?

The guy is a currency speculating scumbag...I hardly think he qualifies as a progressive voice on anything but how to fuck over countries like Malaysia and Indonesia.

But...rah-rahing this the kind of crap is what I have sadly come to expect from huffington post, and, unfortunately, a whole lot of posters here.

[Atypical Liberal]

143. People voted for CHANGE

The simple fact of the matter is that President Obama sold himself as being for change.

People are so angry and/or disillusioned with the establishment that they believed it. I believe they still want it. The pleas for patience are falling on deaf ears, because with the rapid deterioration of things over the last 10 years time is running out to be patient.

[robcon]

144. Stupid, stupid Soros.

Do we really need him?

[Democat]

145. We need progressive billionaires to fight the right wing billionaires.

Money is important when battles are being fought in the media.

[saigon68]

153. About time

He will never carry Wisconsin again

[David__77]

157. Biden is fully capable should the need arise.

This would be the LBJ scenario. The question is: would Biden break out of the Wall Street straightjacket? It is interesting that Soros is biting the hand that fed him so well.

[gateley]

162. Obama has so much to offer, I want to keep him! I hope he gets the message not

only from Soros, but from Jim Messina. It's NOT just the jobs and economy, it's the repeated drubbing we take from those vile Republicans. I want so badly for him to "be all that he can be" and just charge ahead and do what's right.

[gulliver]

164. That's great for Obama, of course.

I don't think we want Obama beholden to Soros do we? Soros is much more effective as an independent voice, and Obama is much more effective without any "Glenn Beck-ian" puppet-master paranoia.

Leave it to the peanut gallery and its hooting emoters to interpret it as a "Told ya so" moment against Obama though.

[Grinchie]

167. George Soros, the new Captain Obvious

The DLC was a big fat fail with Clinton, so why should they think that they could be embraced in a world on the brink of ecological disaster, peak oil, peak potash, and and unsustatianble food production system?

The Clinton's were so buddy buddy with Ireland and we outsourced tons of high tech jobs there in the 90's, and now they are begging for help from the IMF.

This is the result of all these corrupt Corporate givaways, Monte Carlo Economics, and incredibly short sighted policies embraced by the DLC.

The most incredible theing about the Obama administration is the blatancy at which the DLC took over from day one, invading every orifice of the Hope and Change promise without soap, and throwing the entire country under the bus.

The stage is set for a major conflagration when this corrupted clan of DINO's gets shown the door when the citizen just all of a sudden don't behave like they used to, and begin to fend for themselves while letting the Government flail in the wind like a scarecrow.

[Liberalynn]

169. I totally agree with him

We need a leader who will fight and fight hard. Not one who would compromise away the very soul of the Democratic party. And has been said it is not just the President but Congress too. Our leaders keep turning Victory into Defeat because once they get in, all they want to do is kiss Puke butt. Scream the pukers down for a change, get in their face, and forget all this "bipartisan" crap. They don't want to work with the Dems, and the Dems shouldn't want to work with them because the Pukes are wrong on everything and have nothing useful to add to anything. Somebody needs to stand up for the people and the Constitution. Screw trying to play nice to a bunch of self aggrandizing morons.

[JohnWxy]

170. many share his doubts/concerns. Obama, can he ever learn he must fight the fascists?

[veganlush]

184. exactly.

We're always gonna lose some, but to lose without even fighting, that's the killer.

[meow mix]

193. k&r missed the timer

same bush foreign and economoc policys. massive failure