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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 12:11 PM
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From protester to senator, FBI tracked Paul Wellstone
Source: Minnesota Public Radio

It started with a fingerprint of a 25-year-old college professor who opposed the Vietnam War and ended with a search for his remains, 32 years later, in a wooded area near Eveleth, Minn.

The FBI's files on Paul and Sheila Wellstone, many of which are being made public for the first time, shed new light on the extent of the relationship between the FBI and the political activist who would go on to become a U.S. senator from Minnesota.

Some of the information uncovered in the 219 pages was new to one of his closest confidantes, former Wellstone campaign manager and state director Jeff Blodgett.

The files show that although the FBI initially took interest in Wellstone as part of the broader surveillance of the American left, the agency later served as his protector, investigating death threats the freshman senator received for his views on the first Gulf War, and, in the end, helping sift through the wreckage of the fatal plane crash that killed Wellstone and seven others eight years ago.

...

The FBI files reveal, for the first time, the specific criminal leads pursued by investigators.

FBI agents investigated the claims of a caller from Jacksonville, Florida, who said that members of the American Trucking Association had planned to disconnect the plane's de-icers. The man said that Wellstone had been trying to schedule Senate hearings to expose organized crime in the trucking industry. In response to the call, a Wellstone staff member asked a Labor Committee member and a legislative director "who both indicated that they were not aware of any Senate hearing being scheduled to discuss this topic." The rest of the document has been redacted.
The FBI Investigates Threatening Postcard Sent to Wellstone's Office

Agents also obtained a threatening postcard sent to Wellstone's St. Paul office the day before the plane crash. The handwritten postcard said, in part, "We need to gut (sic) the word out for the snipper (sic) to go after people like you, not real Americans … This voter fraud you propose will get you dead."

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The final document states, "Inasmuch as no indication of criminal activity was indicated after exhaustive examination and analysis by the NTSB which warrants further FBI investigation, this case is considered CLOSED at Minneapolis."

Read more: http://minnesota.publicradio.org/projects/2010/wellstone-files/feature/
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 12:15 PM
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1. The FBI couldn't find itself if it wanted to.n/t
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 01:16 PM
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10. And in this case, it didn't want to.
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peace frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 02:22 PM
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21. Those yoyos would still be looking for the Unibomber
if Kaczynski's brother hadn't turned him in.
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DoctorK Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 03:20 PM
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32. How would they?
He was a kook living in a shed in the middle of nowhere.
If he'd sent an email bragging about them bombings, or even posted about them on a forum like this, they would have found him.
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kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 03:34 PM
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36. Hmph
What about the Anthrax case. Still haven't seen as much headway on that.

Let's face it, the FBI is better at infiltrating non-violent left wing organizations than they have ever been at investigating actual crimes.
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molly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 05:20 PM
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54. There were not inclement weather conditions
when Paul Wellstone's plane went down as reported. Dick Cheney threatened him on the sentate floor because he opposed the Iraq war.

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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 05:31 PM
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55. The full NTSB (not FBI) investgation is online for your viewing pleasure..
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LawnLover Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 06:58 PM
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60. Because government agencies never cover stuff up, right? nt
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 07:23 PM
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61. They cant keep shit secret. 3 major leak cases
in the last few years. You think they could keep this or 911 or other major superplots under wraps.
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LawnLover Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 07:33 PM
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63. I'm sure what we're seeing now is
just the tip of the iceberg. There's all kinds of shit that goes on we'll never ever hear about.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 10:32 PM
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72. There. Will. Be. More. We are coming up to the 10th Anniversary of 9/11.
We are seeing mountains of incriminating documents leaked on the Internet. Trust me, there is more to come. bush*, cheney*, rumsfeld*, rice* and the rest of the craven fucking bastards have made serious enemies around the world. There ARE people that know the truth. There ARE people who are coming forward. This is not fucking over.
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kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 01:39 AM
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80. Hmm
Logically the only way to disprove that statement would be to find a conspiracy that they did cover up completely. The problem with that is obvious.

We do know that some intelligence operations, corporate actions, military programs, and unconstitutional or criminal actions, taken by organizations and individuals have been covered up or spun long enough that by the time they penetrate the public mind the majority of the population no longer cares about them.

Whether you think Wellstones plane crashed because of mechanical error, pilot error, weather problems, or electromagnetic sabotage misses the point a bit.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 06:15 AM
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86. "flight crew failed to maintain an appropriate course and speed for the approach"
to Eveleth"


Seems as though the crew screwed up on some very basic things. I wonder why.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 04:50 PM
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94. The guys who actually flew with him, not internet wankers
said it was because he was a shitty pilot. That was in the NTSB report. Sworn statements from real people.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 11:49 PM
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77. Let's face it ... they're protecting the violent right wing and attacking peace-activists--!!
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kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 01:41 AM
Response to Reply #77
81. No argument.
I am inclined to agree with you on that. Sadly.
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 03:58 PM
Response to Reply #32
44. Yeah...
... apparently it was impossible to catch criminals before the internet. I wonder how we managed to get by all those years...
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DoctorK Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 11:02 PM
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73. no, I'm asking you
how do propose the FBI would have actually found this guy living out by himself in a shack in the woods and connect him to the bombings without his brother bringing him to their attention?

This wasn't like most murders where the perpetrator knows the victim well enough to be in their circle of acquaintances.

The FBI snoops on a lot of stuff, but how would they actually clue in on a guy like him 'off the grid' so far (not just internet, but friends to brag to, etc.)
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 11:42 PM
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74. Didn't they finally release some of his writings which helped ID him...???
Edited on Mon Oct-25-10 11:52 PM by defendandprotect
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peace frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 04:57 PM
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52. His publicized missives were recognizable from college days,
they had a picture of him as described by an eyewitness, not to mention the dozens of other clues left with every bomb and the people who knew him and suspected something was up. Even so, they were left holding their dicks for 20 years until his brother finally spoke out. Yep, a crack team of yoyos we got there.

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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 12:17 PM
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2. Gingrich, Rove, Armey ... Any FBI files on these bastards?
Edited on Mon Oct-25-10 12:19 PM by Bozita
How about Sarah Palin's secessionist hubby?
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countrydad58 Donating Member (274 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 06:03 PM
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58.  The Bush's relationship to the failed FDR coup .
Nazi Germany & The Bin-Laden Family. Traitors the whole sorry bunch.
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bluesmail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 08:06 PM
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65. They're probably locked away for later greymail/blackmail use
IMO that's how they've kept control. Oh Ms Palin's going to say WHAT? Get me that file, Pronto!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 12:18 PM
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 01:45 PM
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14. Yep, after I got some twenty apges of info from National Transportation Safety
Edited on Mon Oct-25-10 01:45 PM by truedelphi
Board, a friend of mine who is a pilot said that the fact that the small private plane burned from 11:15 Am till after 5 Pm was quite suspicious.

And why no distress report? If it was a flock of birds - they would not have disrupted the pilots (there were two aboard) from radioing in that they were going down.

Also, one person in the area tried to make it known that his garage door went up and down on its own - which indicates a huge amount of EMF zapped that garage. That residence was quite close to the crash site.

We all know it wasn't the weather. The local woman reporter was on the air field stating that the weather was alright and not a factor. And the manager of the Eveleth airport also went up in his plane to try and find Wellstones' plane. If the weather was gawd awful, then he wouldn't have attempted that.

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chatnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 03:38 PM
Response to Reply #14
38. Wow
I never believed it was an accident but your post is one of the most informative/interesting I myself have read on this.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 11:56 PM
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78. Jim Fetzer and others have done a good job on rebutting the official story....
Microwave seems to have come in quite handy for bringing planes down!

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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 02:08 AM
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82. Fetzer has been amazing on this.
Maybe now that someone like Jesse Ventura has a program on TV, fetzer could have on as well.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 04:26 PM
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92. Also think that feelings for Wellstone kept everyone in shock for a long time ....
and Fetzer plowed thru the crap quickly.

Interesting re Ventura -- is he actually on the air now?

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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 12:20 PM
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4. Wonder who was tracking him when he got on that airplane?
n/t
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laylah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 03:31 PM
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35. The same ones that
tracked Kennedy, Martin, Bobby, or their "bretheren". They DO NOT care about this country, only their agenda. Traitors, all of them.

Jenn
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 12:28 PM
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5. K & R
:kick:
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 12:30 PM
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6. I never believed the crash was an accident and
now that we know the FBI investigated it we know that it wasn't. I wouldn't put anything past the administration that was in power. They outed an undercover CIA agent didn't they. And how about the mysterious plane crash that killed the republican (was he one of the ones who investigate the fired attorneys) who was going to spill the beans about the investigation. Wonder who investigated that crash. Seems kinda funny that these crashes are all "accidents" especially when someone is going to come forward with the truth. No wonder whistle blowers like to remain anonymous.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 12:44 PM
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8. That the FBI investigated the crash is not surprising - he was a sitting
Senator at the time. What is troubling is them controlling the investigation, preventing the gathering of crucial evidence (photos of the crash site, etc.).

We need to have the FBI arrest the CIA - and the US Marshals arrest the FBI. And the Secret Service arrest the US Marshals. They're all compromised.
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sce56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 10:02 PM
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70. The secret Service is no less guilty watch how they waited for the head shot before speeding up n 63


This was despite bullets flying every where including hitting the windshield.
Also note how he is reaching for his neck when he is bumped forward from the back shot!
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 04:30 PM
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93. Exactly .... Similar to the Dorthy Hunt plane crash and FBI control ....
Seems everything is FOR SALE to the right wing --


!!
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 01:46 PM
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15. I think some kind of
electronic pulse hit the engine so it would go down. Not an accident. The director of some political movie...shit, now I can't remember the movie....was on Charlie Rose. He got invited to some Big Money Boyz party and these dudes were telling him how to overtake a S. or Central American country. He added, 'I will never fly in a small plane again.'

No accident. Wellstone was too peaceful. John Lennon was too peaceful. And they were both too admired. Same with many others.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 02:37 PM
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24. Senator Wellstone's death was no accident. He stood in the way of the cheney*/bush*/PNAC junta...
...and was murdered.
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cjbgreen Donating Member (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 12:44 PM
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7. Do you think this was Cheney's warning to the Dems
Edited on Mon Oct-25-10 12:47 PM by cjbgreen
I can't help but think, especially since so many in Wellstone's office believe he was assassinated that his death was Cheney's way of conveying to Democrats that Cheney could and would do anything. His death and the timing , resulted in a Republican majority.
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Myrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 02:56 PM
Response to Reply #7
28. yep
n/y :(
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rainy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 04:33 PM
Response to Reply #7
49. Yes the stolen votes in Minnesota was just on of many
thefts to come.
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Ysabela Donating Member (208 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 07:31 PM
Response to Reply #7
62. The Anthrax attacks against Daschle and Leahy and the Wellstone assassination...
is what has kept the Democrats in silent fear from 2001 to present. And don't forget JFK Jr.

Just days prior to his death, NBC Dateline hinted that JFK Jr. was considering an entry into politics, and mentioned that a story to that effect was to be published in the July 26th, 1999 issue of NEWSWEEK.

NEWSWEEK recalled that issue from the distrubutors, and had them destroyed. CNN ran a story claiming that NEWSWEEK planned to change covers and re-distribute, but that never happened. The NEWSWEEK issue dealing with JFK Jr. is dated August 2nd. The July 26th 1999 issue of NEWSWEEK simply vanished.

John F. Kennedy Jr. had already publicy stated a desire to run for Pat Moynihan's Senate seat should he retire. Had Kennedy done so, he would have probably won, and Hillary Clinton's grab of the NY Senate seat as a stepping stone in her (thankfully failed) run for the White House would have failed.
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Daphne08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 05:44 AM
Response to Reply #62
84. I've always believed JFK, Jr. was assassinated. n/t
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 12:54 PM
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9. Eight years today
damn

:cry:
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 02:06 PM
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17. Yes, I am crying with you. All the good that was lost when that plane
went down. Paul Wellstone is a very good reason for all of us to keep fighting the fight. He would not give up and we cannot either.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 01:16 PM
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11. Dont you wonder what the price tag in labor, product,
And what ever else is involved in tracking someone
Like wellstone?
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Drops_not_Dope Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 03:25 PM
Response to Reply #11
33. yep
Lots of $$$ and one can only imagine the bodies it takes to watch someone 24/7 for years.


In some cases it's probably likely that it's a waste of manpower, time, and $.

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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 01:24 PM
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12. Calm down, Oliver Stone!
Ok, I'm not comfortable repeating this too often, because the loss of this man's life was a horrible tragedy, but this is the case: I've been told by another pilot who knew the pilot of the plane that crashed that the guy was simply too often careless and not really a top-notch pilot. That being said, horrible accidents can happen to the best of them. As much as it may make us feel like this wasn't a completely senseless loss of life by coming up with entirely unfounded theories about the accident, the truth is that the simplest answer is most often the correct one.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 02:43 PM
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27. Ah yes, just another one of those "coincidences" that favored the cheney*/bush* junta...
...like 9/11. Oops, not supposed to talk about that one, now are we?
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 03:28 PM
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34. Talk about it all you want, but the answer is equally simple:
people who had jobs to do regarding the safety of others dropped the ball, but in that case 19 really really BAD people committed horrible crimes. Could those crimes have been prevented if some people hadn't been very seriously negligent? Probably, but that didn't happen.
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 04:03 PM
Response to Reply #34
46. The funny part is...
... that you have as much evidence about what you are saying, as the people whose conspiracies you seem to be addressing have for their conjectures.

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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 04:41 PM
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50. Huh?
Are you disagreeing that 19 hijackers flew planes into buildings and a field? Are you disagreeing that an airplane accidentally crashed, killing the occupants? I think there is plenty of evidence of those things.
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cpwm17 Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 06:51 PM
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59. The burden of proof is on the far-fetched conjecture claims
There's loads of evidence supporting the fact that 19 Arabs did 9-11. The US government isn't lying about that.

Government officials are lying to cover their incompetence in allowing 9-11 to happen. Also they are lying as to why the hijackers did it. They didn't do it because they hate our freedoms. They did it because our government is denying them their freedoms. The US is supporting dictators in the Arab world. The US supports Israel's oppression of the Palestinians and wars against Lebanon. Also, before 9-11, for years the US had been using Saudi Arabian soil to bomb Iraq every two or three days.

If our government lied about Arabs pulling off 9-11, they wouldn't have claimed that the hijackers came from Saudi Arabia and Egypt. Those countries are ruled by our puppet dictators. The US would have claimed that the hijackers were from Iraq, Syria, Palestine, Iran, or the like.

All of the 9-11 conspiracy claims that I've seen have been lie-filled, crazy, complicated Rube Goldberg-like schemes. The conspiracies are a distraction from the real story.

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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 08:53 PM
Response to Reply #59
67. No they're not. But nice try. It wasn't a Rube Goldberg-like scheme.
And it wasn't the US Government. Just a few, well-placed, extremely powerful, true PNAC believers holding key positions in the US government. The big lie and the perfect alibi is that pulling off 9/11 would have been a conspiracy of gargantuan proportions. No it wouldn't. Once the groundwork were laid, all it really needed were rumsfeld* and cheney* to guarantee success.
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 12:18 AM
Response to Reply #59
79. Exactly.
I believe hijackers flew planes into buildings, and the resulting fire and kinetic impact damage brought down those buildings.

But I also believe our leadership was criminally negligent on at least 2 of those impacts, because nobody wanted to be the career politician to go on national TV and say 'I authorized the downing of aircraft full of hundreds of American Citizens'.

Craven motherfuckers, every last one. We HAD no leadership on 9/11. Not in a bunker, not in a classroom, nowhere.

And they all got a pass on it from the media, from the people, from top to bottom. That part I will never understand.
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countrydad58 Donating Member (274 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 05:38 PM
Response to Reply #59
95. Coincidence
Edited on Tue Oct-26-10 05:45 PM by countrydad58
That Salem Bin Laden. Osamas brother & GW Bush were business partners? That 1 of the Bush crooks had something to do with security for the towers? That the day before 911 unusual trading & put options, making some people a whole lot of money. That Bandar "Bush" ,member of the Evil Saudi Royal family; one of his wives was sending funds to one of the hijackers. That a $700 Billion a year Military super Power failed to get a single plane in the air, before it was all done, & was told to stand down.Not to mention the Bin-Laden Family living here was immediately allowed to fly home, without & Govt. agency interrogation or interview, even though planes were grounded & a No fly zone was in effect. Coincidence my Fat Ass!
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 11:59 AM
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96. Leona Helmsley told us that "only the little people pay taxes." And only the little people believe
in coincidence. When you reach an international, ultra-sophisticated, multi-trillion dollar level, there is no such thing as coincidence. Nothing is left to chance. Everything happens for a reason. Events and circumstances are NEVER left to serendipity or coincidence. All options and courses of action are considered, factored, plotted, reconsidered, run through sophisticated computer modeling programs to yield alternative courses of action and percentages of chances of success. There is NO SUCH THING AS COINCIDENCE. Period. Only the little, ignorant people believe in coincidence of this magnitude.
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Scruffy1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 05:05 PM
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53. Yeah and I've been flying since I was sixteen
The Beech King Air is not a small private plane, but the queen of the general aviation fleet.It's safety record is amazing. From the sixties to 2000 with no fatalities. It is air transport rated just like a commercial jetliner. I have never seen a pilot take a ninety degree turn from a final approach in order to stall out the airplane a little later. Let's see, both engines working runway in sight and turns off course and does a stall/spin and then burns for hours. I say bullshit. By the way the I have a friend, who has a friend who said Bullshit too.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 11:16 AM
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91. Thank you! That plane just didn't come down, it was brought down.
Wellstone was murdered.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 06:25 AM
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87. You knew a guy who knew a guy and he gave his unsupported opinion?
Was there no one else on the plane who knew how to fly?
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 09:52 AM
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90. I know a guy who knew the pilot personally, but that wasn't my point.
My point was that accidents happen all of the time when people make stupid little mistakes, and even the most careful people in the world can sometimes make mistakes.
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Earth_First Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 01:43 PM
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13. I remember being in D.C. for the first organize protest against the current occupation of Iraq...
and remember the flags flying half-staff during the pre-dawn hours of twilight.

I remember it fondly and somberly...

Peace be to you, Mr. Wellstone!
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kmac3 Donating Member (251 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 01:55 PM
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16. Useless
The FBI has become useless since it went political .... This is happening to many once most effective agencies and needs to be stopped. It became prominent during the Bush/Cheney years and done in a most non transparent manner .... Unfortunately another mess for President Obama to clean up.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 02:21 PM
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20. Useless since it went political? You mean, when J. Edgar Hoover founded it?
:shrug:
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 06:33 AM
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88.  FBI has always been political. Its predecessor was political.
Edited on Tue Oct-26-10 06:34 AM by No Elephants
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PlanetBev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 02:08 PM
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18. I remember where I was when I heard the news
Sitting at work, I very faintly heard one of my co-worker from Minnesota say, "and the Democrats were in control of the Senate." I thought to myself, "what does she mean, were?" I got on the Internet and saw the headline, "Senator Killed". I just knew instantly that it was a Democrat. It took me another 20 seconds to gather the courage to click on the link. I remember feeling faint and dizzy when I saw who it was...my favorite senator.

Today also would have been my parents 68th anniversary, but my dad died last December. For me, October 25th will always be a sad day.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 02:20 PM
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19. "The rest of the document has been redacted."
How can this be justified? Why would that be? If it's okay to release unsubstantiated accusations against the truckers, what was in the redacted part and whom woud it harm?
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 02:32 PM
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22. Paul Wellstone's plane crash and the anthrax letters to congressmen.
Edited on Mon Oct-25-10 02:34 PM by JDPriestly
Paul Wellstone's plane crashed on October 25, 2002.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Wellstone

The anthrax letters had been sent to Congress members in October of the previous year.

Washington, DC, area: A letter addressed to Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle tested positive for anthrax. The letter was opened in his office in the Hart building across from the Capitol in Washington, DC, on 15 Oct. About 40 staffers were in his office at the time; about 28 were found to have been exposed. The letter was postmarked 9 Oct. from Trenton, NJ, and contained a white powder. The House of Representatives recessed on 17 Oct. for several days to allow decontamination of office areas. During the period of recess contamination by anthrax was found in several locations, including sites in the Hart office building. From 25-27 Oct. anthrax contamination was found in the following sites: a CIA building; a building where White House mail is processed; and a Supreme Court site. A media employee present at the Senate office building when the original letter was opened was diagnosed with inhalation anthrax around 26 Oct., but later concluded not to have anthrax.

Two Washington postal workers died of inhalation anthrax on 22 Oct.: Joseph P. Curseen, 47, and Thomas L. Morris, Jr., 55: on 21 Oct. a postal worker from Washington's Brentwood postal facility went to the emergency room of an area hospital and was sent home diagnosed with the flu; on 22 Oct. he was brought back by ambulance. Both this individual and another Brentwood postal worker hospitalized the morning of 22 Oct. died later that day. Two other workers are confirmed by 23 Oct. to have inhalation anthrax (one 35-year old male who handles mail and one 41-year old female postal union official), with 9 others showing possible symptoms.

http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/terrorism/anthrax.html

Wikipedia has an amazing chart of all the anthrax findings.

October seems to be the favorite month for dirty tricks against Democrats.

Just a coincidence of course.

On edit, that long list of anthrax attacks makes me wonder whether the FBI ever solved all of them. Were they claiming that all those attacks were the work of one person? Seems rather far-fetched to me.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 02:42 PM
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26. The FBIs "case" against Bruce Ivins is embarassingly stupid.
I've yet to find a expert in the field that agrees with them who isn't on their payroll.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 04:30 PM
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47. They pretended to link Ivins with one mailing, but never even
mentioned the rest of the many incidents. Surely they are not trying to pull one over on us, now, are they? :sarcasm: :sarcasm:
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 03:10 PM
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31. I'm waiting for anthrax to rear its ugly head again. nt
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 09:28 AM
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89. Actually, they can't do that - because it would blow their story that Ivins
did it.

Certain persons in the government ordered the anthrax attacks, and those same persons ordered the FBI to cover it up. The coverup 'solved' the crime, the 'killer' is dead, so there cannot be any repeat. Another attack would expose the coverup, err, solving of the crime to be a fraud, and that would lead to too many other questions.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 03:50 PM
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41. Whether they solved all of them? They never solved any of them.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 02:35 PM
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23. There was one person in the United States government that could not be bought...
one Senator that would challenge the legitimacy of the invasion and occupation of Iraq. One Senator who had a voice and the ear of the people. That Senator was Paul Wellstone. He alone could have--AND WOULD HAVE--challenged the cheney*/bush* junta. Senator Paul Wellstone was murdered. His assassination removed the chief obstacle to the junta's plans and served as a warning to other members of Congress: do not interfere.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 02:39 PM
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25. The FBI and CIA
work on behalf of far right interests and the corporations. It is as simple as that. Your tax dollars at work.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 04:31 PM
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48. +1
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unc70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 02:57 PM
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29. Surprised his first FBI documents were after Chapel Hill
He was active in politics while still a student in Chapel Hill (where I knew him).

I am suprised that there wasn't anything in his FBI records from that period. He was fairly active in anti-war efforts here at UNC.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 03:08 PM
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30. Election fraud, misinformation campaigns, blackmail, and murder keep
America what it is today.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 03:36 PM
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37. He was too dangerous, so they murdered him.
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 03:41 PM
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39. i still believe they were murdered
by bushies.
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jimlup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 03:50 PM
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40. Yes, I think it was murder...
Not by the FBI but by the super dark forces within the Bush administration band of criminals - Bush doesn't even know, Cheney probably does. And it would be naive to think that they were done. They will pass on their black ops to a younger generation that is even now plotting a return to power.
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soryang Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 03:53 PM
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42. I'm certain that Wellstone's Office telephone was bugged
Edited on Mon Oct-25-10 03:58 PM by soryang
...bugged in the months before his death and that anyone who discussed certain subjects with him or his staff was investigated or placed under surveillance, by the FBI (or worse) covertly, without warrant or notice.

Also, I think the one of the aircraft crew was connected with the Minnesota FBI Moussaui investigation, so it could have had more than one purpose. Unlike the crash that killed Ashcrofts rival, Sen, Carnahan, the Wellstone crash wiped out his spouse, didn't it?
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 04:01 PM
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45. and daughter.
:(
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 09:11 PM
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68. The copilot had been at the same flight school Moussaui attended
at the same or overlapping times and there was a weak attempt made to further taint the copilot's reputation by trying to imply that meant something. I imagine there were several people attending the school at that time and you can't make them all out to be sinister.

Both Wellstone's wife, Sheila (a force in her own right), and daugher Marcia were killed in the crash.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 11:46 PM
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76. Obviously, they didn't want a surviving wife to make it to the Senate as Mrs. Carnahan did.....
after the murder of her husband!

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Love Bug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 03:56 PM
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43. "helping sift through the wreckage..."
Don't they mean "removing evidence" instead?
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 04:44 PM
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51. The great Paul Wellstone was and always will be one of my hero's
Edited on Mon Oct-25-10 04:45 PM by LaPera
And there's no doubt if one takes the time and do some research (not the bullshit that was fed to us by the media) that Wellstone was indeed assassinated by that same very powerful ultra right-wing world domination imperialist motherfuckers - The same corporate fascist that are behind the likes of Cheney, Abrams, Elliott, Wolfowitz and goes back even before earlier fascist front men like Alan Dulles & Richard Bissell..
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 10:29 PM
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71. Hear! Hear! Senator Paul Wellstone, along with his wife and daughter, was murdered.
He was the Senator that could not bought, nor scared and would stand his ground. He also had a powerful voice AND had the ear of the people. People believed Wellstone and believed in him. He was also gaining in all polls against the miserable fucking cretin kkkarl rove had picked to run against him. Senator Paul Wellstone stood in the way of illegally invading and occupying Iraq. Forces knew he would not keep quiet. So they took him out.
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 05:54 AM
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85. Yes, I agree 100%
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 05:51 PM
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57. Rec nt
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 07:53 PM
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64. K&R n/t
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 08:19 PM
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66. People of conscience are always hated by the loudest, most pompous ones among us.
This man worked continually to bring important attention and help where it was needed much, and to makuffe the world safer, cleaner, better.

Dispised by those who gain from human suffering.

Some of us will NEVER forget what happened to him.

Thank you, sabra.
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jxnmsdemguy65 Donating Member (481 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 09:26 PM
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69. Congress should investigate the plane crashes of Wellstone and JFK Jr.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 11:43 PM
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75. Agree .... and JFK, Jr. certainly is highly questionable event .... !!!
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 05:43 AM
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83. He was a hero
and IMO, was assassinated.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 07:00 PM
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97. Absurd. Rove and Cheney had nothing to do with Senator Wellstone's plane crash.
Oh, sorry...what was the question again?
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