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sabra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 12:11 PM Original message |
From protester to senator, FBI tracked Paul Wellstone |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 12:15 PM Response to Original message |
1. The FBI couldn't find itself if it wanted to.n/t |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 01:16 PM Response to Reply #1 |
10. And in this case, it didn't want to. |
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peace frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 02:22 PM Response to Reply #1 |
21. Those yoyos would still be looking for the Unibomber |
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DoctorK (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 03:20 PM Response to Reply #21 |
32. How would they? |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 03:34 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. Hmph |
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molly77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 05:20 PM Response to Reply #36 |
54. There were not inclement weather conditions |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 05:31 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. The full NTSB (not FBI) investgation is online for your viewing pleasure.. |
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LawnLover (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 06:58 PM Response to Reply #55 |
60. Because government agencies never cover stuff up, right? nt |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 07:23 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. They cant keep shit secret. 3 major leak cases |
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LawnLover (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 07:33 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. I'm sure what we're seeing now is |
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Raster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 10:32 PM Response to Reply #63 |
72. There. Will. Be. More. We are coming up to the 10th Anniversary of 9/11. |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 01:39 AM Response to Reply #61 |
80. Hmm |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 06:15 AM Response to Reply #55 |
86. "flight crew failed to maintain an appropriate course and speed for the approach" |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 04:50 PM Response to Reply #86 |
94. The guys who actually flew with him, not internet wankers |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 11:49 PM Response to Reply #36 |
77. Let's face it ... they're protecting the violent right wing and attacking peace-activists--!! |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 01:41 AM Response to Reply #77 |
81. No argument. |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 03:58 PM Response to Reply #32 |
44. Yeah... |
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DoctorK (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 11:02 PM Response to Reply #44 |
73. no, I'm asking you |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 11:42 PM Response to Reply #44 |
74. Didn't they finally release some of his writings which helped ID him...??? |
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peace frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 04:57 PM Response to Reply #32 |
52. His publicized missives were recognizable from college days, |
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Bozita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 12:17 PM Response to Original message |
2. Gingrich, Rove, Armey ... Any FBI files on these bastards? |
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countrydad58 (274 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 06:03 PM Response to Reply #2 |
58. The Bush's relationship to the failed FDR coup . |
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bluesmail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 08:06 PM Response to Reply #2 |
65. They're probably locked away for later greymail/blackmail use |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 12:18 PM Response to Original message |
3. Deleted message |
truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 01:45 PM Response to Reply #3 |
14. Yep, after I got some twenty apges of info from National Transportation Safety |
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chatnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 03:38 PM Response to Reply #14 |
38. Wow |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 11:56 PM Response to Reply #14 |
78. Jim Fetzer and others have done a good job on rebutting the official story.... |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 02:08 AM Response to Reply #78 |
82. Fetzer has been amazing on this. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 04:26 PM Response to Reply #82 |
92. Also think that feelings for Wellstone kept everyone in shock for a long time .... |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 12:20 PM Response to Original message |
4. Wonder who was tracking him when he got on that airplane? |
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laylah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 03:31 PM Response to Reply #4 |
35. The same ones that |
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AzDar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
5. K & R |
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Bitwit1234 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 12:30 PM Response to Original message |
6. I never believed the crash was an accident and |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 12:44 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. That the FBI investigated the crash is not surprising - he was a sitting |
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sce56 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 10:02 PM Response to Reply #8 |
70. The secret Service is no less guilty watch how they waited for the head shot before speeding up n 63 |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 04:30 PM Response to Reply #8 |
93. Exactly .... Similar to the Dorthy Hunt plane crash and FBI control .... |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 01:46 PM Response to Reply #6 |
15. I think some kind of |
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Raster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 02:37 PM Response to Reply #15 |
24. Senator Wellstone's death was no accident. He stood in the way of the cheney*/bush*/PNAC junta... |
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cjbgreen (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 12:44 PM Response to Original message |
7. Do you think this was Cheney's warning to the Dems |
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Myrina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 02:56 PM Response to Reply #7 |
28. yep |
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rainy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 04:33 PM Response to Reply #7 |
49. Yes the stolen votes in Minnesota was just on of many |
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Ysabela (208 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 07:31 PM Response to Reply #7 |
62. The Anthrax attacks against Daschle and Leahy and the Wellstone assassination... |
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Daphne08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 05:44 AM Response to Reply #62 |
84. I've always believed JFK, Jr. was assassinated. n/t |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 12:54 PM Response to Original message |
9. Eight years today |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 02:06 PM Response to Reply #9 |
17. Yes, I am crying with you. All the good that was lost when that plane |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 01:16 PM Response to Original message |
11. Dont you wonder what the price tag in labor, product, |
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Drops_not_Dope (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 03:25 PM Response to Reply #11 |
33. yep |
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harmonicon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 01:24 PM Response to Original message |
12. Calm down, Oliver Stone! |
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Raster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 02:43 PM Response to Reply #12 |
27. Ah yes, just another one of those "coincidences" that favored the cheney*/bush* junta... |
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harmonicon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 03:28 PM Response to Reply #27 |
34. Talk about it all you want, but the answer is equally simple: |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 04:03 PM Response to Reply #34 |
46. The funny part is... |
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harmonicon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 04:41 PM Response to Reply #46 |
50. Huh? |
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cpwm17 (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 06:51 PM Response to Reply #46 |
59. The burden of proof is on the far-fetched conjecture claims |
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Raster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 08:53 PM Response to Reply #59 |
67. No they're not. But nice try. It wasn't a Rube Goldberg-like scheme. |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 12:18 AM Response to Reply #59 |
79. Exactly. |
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countrydad58 (274 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 05:38 PM Response to Reply #59 |
95. Coincidence |
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Raster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 11:59 AM Response to Reply #95 |
96. Leona Helmsley told us that "only the little people pay taxes." And only the little people believe |
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Scruffy1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 05:05 PM Response to Reply #12 |
53. Yeah and I've been flying since I was sixteen |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 05:33 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. Deleted message |
Raster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 11:16 AM Response to Reply #53 |
91. Thank you! That plane just didn't come down, it was brought down. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 06:25 AM Response to Reply #12 |
87. You knew a guy who knew a guy and he gave his unsupported opinion? |
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harmonicon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 09:52 AM Response to Reply #87 |
90. I know a guy who knew the pilot personally, but that wasn't my point. |
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Earth_First (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 01:43 PM Response to Original message |
13. I remember being in D.C. for the first organize protest against the current occupation of Iraq... |
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kmac3 (251 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 01:55 PM Response to Original message |
16. Useless |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 02:21 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. Useless since it went political? You mean, when J. Edgar Hoover founded it? |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 06:33 AM Response to Reply #16 |
88. FBI has always been political. Its predecessor was political. |
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PlanetBev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
18. I remember where I was when I heard the news |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 02:20 PM Response to Original message |
19. "The rest of the document has been redacted." |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 02:32 PM Response to Original message |
22. Paul Wellstone's plane crash and the anthrax letters to congressmen. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 02:42 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. The FBIs "case" against Bruce Ivins is embarassingly stupid. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 04:30 PM Response to Reply #26 |
47. They pretended to link Ivins with one mailing, but never even |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 03:10 PM Response to Reply #22 |
31. I'm waiting for anthrax to rear its ugly head again. nt |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 09:28 AM Response to Reply #31 |
89. Actually, they can't do that - because it would blow their story that Ivins |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 03:50 PM Response to Reply #22 |
41. Whether they solved all of them? They never solved any of them. |
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Raster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 02:35 PM Response to Original message |
23. There was one person in the United States government that could not be bought... |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 02:39 PM Response to Original message |
25. The FBI and CIA |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 04:31 PM Response to Reply #25 |
48. +1 |
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unc70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 02:57 PM Response to Original message |
29. Surprised his first FBI documents were after Chapel Hill |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 03:08 PM Response to Original message |
30. Election fraud, misinformation campaigns, blackmail, and murder keep |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 03:36 PM Response to Original message |
37. He was too dangerous, so they murdered him. |
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barbtries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 03:41 PM Response to Original message |
39. i still believe they were murdered |
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jimlup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 03:50 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Yes, I think it was murder... |
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soryang (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 03:53 PM Response to Original message |
42. I'm certain that Wellstone's Office telephone was bugged |
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barbtries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 04:01 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. and daughter. |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 09:11 PM Response to Reply #42 |
68. The copilot had been at the same flight school Moussaui attended |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 11:46 PM Response to Reply #68 |
76. Obviously, they didn't want a surviving wife to make it to the Senate as Mrs. Carnahan did..... |
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Love Bug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 03:56 PM Response to Original message |
43. "helping sift through the wreckage..." |
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LaPera (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 04:44 PM Response to Original message |
51. The great Paul Wellstone was and always will be one of my hero's |
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Raster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 10:29 PM Response to Reply #51 |
71. Hear! Hear! Senator Paul Wellstone, along with his wife and daughter, was murdered. |
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spooked911 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 05:54 AM Response to Reply #71 |
85. Yes, I agree 100% |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 05:51 PM Response to Original message |
57. Rec nt |
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myrna minx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 07:53 PM Response to Original message |
64. K&R n/t |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 08:19 PM Response to Original message |
66. People of conscience are always hated by the loudest, most pompous ones among us. |
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jxnmsdemguy65 (481 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 09:26 PM Response to Original message |
69. Congress should investigate the plane crashes of Wellstone and JFK Jr. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-25-10 11:43 PM Response to Reply #69 |
75. Agree .... and JFK, Jr. certainly is highly questionable event .... !!! |
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spooked911 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 05:43 AM Response to Original message |
83. He was a hero |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 07:00 PM Response to Original message |
97. Absurd. Rove and Cheney had nothing to do with Senator Wellstone's plane crash. |
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