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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 12:00 PM Original message |
French pension protest turnout 1.1 million -govt |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 12:18 PM Response to Original message |
1. Just came to post this ... |
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Bragi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 12:29 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Resignation not the real goal |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 12:58 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Sarkozy is fairly right wing ... don't understand how they put him in office ... but |
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KillCapitalism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 09:42 PM Response to Reply #5 |
21. Fairly right-wing? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 09:55 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. I can agree with that .... HOW did he get elected .... ???? |
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CJvR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 12:43 PM Response to Reply #23 |
39. How he got elected? |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 02:05 PM Response to Reply #39 |
48. wrong election, that is how chirac got elected because t |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 02:02 PM Response to Reply #21 |
47. not at all, he is way left of president obama |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 01:24 PM Response to Reply #2 |
9. goal 1 |
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Bragi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 04:09 PM Response to Reply #9 |
16. Sound about right to me /nt |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 09:57 PM Response to Reply #16 |
24. Well, the French have been thru this once before ... !! |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 12:27 PM Response to Reply #24 |
34. good cop bad cop |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 12:38 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. Are they trying that . . . "who's really being hurt here?" argument .... ???? |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 01:56 PM Response to Reply #38 |
44. sarkozy got elected by idiots |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 09:38 PM Response to Reply #44 |
57. Does France use computer voting? And, for some reason what has just |
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Bozita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 12:52 PM Response to Original message |
3. Michael Moore line in Sicko: In America, people fear the govt. In France, the govt fears the people. |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 12:57 PM Response to Original message |
4. My question is, what is wrong with having the retirement age at 62? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 01:02 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. They reduced it to 60 years in order to alleviate UNEMPLOYMENT problems ... jobs are the question... |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 02:00 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. They are trying to raise it to 62 to pay more into the system than take out |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 09:18 PM Response to Reply #10 |
20. Issue is the same as in America ... elite/right wing desire to destroy safety nets .... |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 10:25 PM Response to Reply #20 |
26. Sole proprietor here, no employees. Will probably work 'til I'm 70 also |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 10:51 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. Generally after being let go, seniors work part time -- not full time and certainly NOT |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 10:56 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. "after being let go". Most people "after being let go" don't have salary/benefits |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 11:10 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. Yes .. executives often stay on longer ... the average guy, not usually.... |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 11:13 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. no one should have to work past 65 out of need -- only as an option. |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 03:09 PM Response to Reply #6 |
13. Good point. |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 01:21 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. we already can retire at 60 IF we have worked enough years |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 02:59 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. I'm not sure if a lower retirement age is all it's cut out to be. |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 04:02 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. too much self identity through work |
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Bragi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 04:11 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Quite so! |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 10:27 PM Response to Reply #15 |
27. If he is happy doing what he is doing, why not continue even if he gets paid? |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 12:34 PM Response to Reply #27 |
37. if it is indeed their hobby that makes them money |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 02:29 PM Response to Reply #37 |
53. Well, some people actually enjoy their work. He is a lawyer and does quite a bit of pro bono work |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 10:03 PM Response to Reply #12 |
25. "Idleness is the beginning of all wisdom" .... |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 12:44 PM Response to Reply #25 |
40. Thank god we have you here to sneer at the suburbs |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 09:53 PM Response to Reply #8 |
22. Is Greece at 55 ... didn't know that -- !! And, agree with you .... on all points .... |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 01:18 PM Response to Original message |
7. I trust the CGT over the cops any day |
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billlll (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 02:42 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. 65 is fullpay French retire age NOT 60. 60 is for partial pay |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 03:58 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. here is how it works |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 10:30 PM Response to Reply #14 |
28. You must work for 42 yrs in France vs 10 in USA for retirement? |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 12:25 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. you get partial benefits if you worked 20 years |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 01:30 PM Response to Reply #33 |
41. Thanks, it is difficult to figure it out. Do you know % @ 10 or 20 yrs? |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 01:40 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Not much time off? Ask how many weeks of vacation the |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 02:01 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. I mean years off, not vacation time. Working for 42 yrs straight, without |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 02:11 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. Most working people can't afford to take months or years |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 02:25 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. I know that, good grief. However, many working people....change jobs, get laid off, etc |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 03:05 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. Up until the current economic crisis, indeed most people |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 03:11 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. Not that much younger than you are. |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 01:54 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. i'm sorry i explained poorly |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 02:02 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. Thanks for the explanation. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 04:48 PM Response to Original message |
18. Nicolas Sarkozy calls for calm as French pension protests gather pace |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 04:49 PM Response to Original message |
19. French Pension Strikes Escalate as Sarkozy Remains Defiant |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 12:32 PM Response to Reply #19 |
35. there are already riots in the cities |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 12:34 PM Response to Original message |
36. This isn't just about pensions |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 02:23 PM Response to Reply #36 |
50. good take on things |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 02:27 PM Response to Reply #36 |
52. Thank you for posting this, good writeup on what the principle of the thing involves |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 02:37 PM Response to Reply #36 |
54. It seems to me that the best solution to this problem would simply be to elect |
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