WikiLeaks Says Funding Has Been Blocked After Government Blacklisting

[Hissyspit]

Source: Guardian UK

WikiLeaks says funding has been blocked after government blacklisting

Founder Julian Assange hits out at decision by Moneybookers, which collects the whistleblowing website's donations

David Leigh and Rob Evans
guardian.co.uk, Thursday 14 October 2010 17.55 BST

The whistleblowing group WikiLeaks claims that it has had its funding blocked and that it is the victim of financial warfare by the US government.

Moneybookers, a British-registered internet payment company that collects WikiLeaks donations, emailed the organisation to say it had closed down its account because it had been put on an official US watchlist and on an Australian government blacklist.

The apparent blacklisting came a few days after the Pentagon publicly expressed its anger at WikiLeaks and its founder, Australian citizen Julian Assange, for obtaining thousands of classified military documents about the war in Afghanistan, in one of the US army's biggest leaks of information. The documents caused a sensation when they were made available to the Guardian, the New York Times and German magazine Der Spiegel, revealing hitherto unreported civilian casualties.

WikiLeaks defied Pentagon calls to return the war logs and destroy all copies. Instead, it has been reported that it intends to release an even larger cache of military documents, disclosing other abuses in Iraq.

Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/oct/14/wikileaks-says-funding-is-blocked

[KansDem]

1. "Official US watchlist"

Sort of like the HCUA "list" of some 60 years ago that got so many writers, actors, and other artists "blacklisted" from employing their craft...and making a livelihood from it.

[saigon68]

49. NO NO its more Change you can believe in

Disgusting

[kirby]

2. 'Put on an official US watchlist'?

Other than terrorism, how many watch lists are being run by our government?

[dixiegrrrrl]

4. Any group that the gov't does not like.

This is EXACTLY what was predicted by people as the various versions of Patriot Acts were passed, and "watchlists" were created.

[harun]

7. More than we can keep track of.

[Greyhound]

3. K&R for truth.

[DirkGently]

5. This is a significant issue. Anyone contributing to any org the U.S. doesn't like can be threatened.

[Pavulon]

8. Yes, if you contribute to Hamas or Hezbolla, you go to federal prison.

so far wikileaks is not a named terrorist group so it is legal (but stupid) to contribute to a group acting as an intelligence service with out a state to back its agenda.

[No Elephants]

11. Wikileaks does not act like an intelligence service, but as a publisher of

info leaked to it. Very different.


Googled "if you contribute to Hamas or Hezbolla, you go to federal prison." Didn't find a law. Don't doubt one exists, but I would really like to see it. Got a link?

[Pavulon]

13. They have an agenda and are passing information gained through

a criminal act on to others. They are handling us classified documents, not banking information or whistle blower data. The person who passed them that information will die in federal custody.

They are working in the same space as gerald bull and are probably aware of the risks they are exposed to. Their activity is not responded to with criminal due process but military regulations.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/usc_sec_18_00002339---A000-.html

Some morons here were selling cigarettes with no tax stamps and sending money to hamas, I think they got 25 years or more. Note material support is not just money.

[sabrina 1]

18. Their agenda is to shine a light on the facts that Governments try

to hide from their citizens. They have done so to other countries, but only the U.S. seems to be so paranoid and scared of any kind of exposure of what they are up to, that they have resorted to these thuggish, third world tactics. Proving of course, that what the world now thinks of the U.S. is true.

[Pavulon]

20. Waiting for details on China or Russia

nope, not happening because julian and his merry band of idiots would be dead.

Did you hear about that nice man who died of polonium poisoning...

[Hissyspit]

24. Wikileaks has posted China and Russia info; Thailand, Somalia...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/mar/19/digitalmedia.tibet

Obviously, China and Russia are trickier situations. Whistleblowers feel much more threatened and the Internet access is much more restricted and blocked.

Assange has said he wants to play the superpowers off of each other.

http://www.neweurasia.net/cross-regional-and-blogosphere/central-asian-views-on-wikileaks-trust-truth-and-tech

"Merry band of idiots"

The right-wing talking points never stop, do they?

[Pavulon]

25. Sure he does. He is either a honeypot or a gerald bull in the making..

like I said Russia killed a guy in protective custody with polonium. Not like they are being really discreet. He can play all he wants but eventually he and his friends will step into something where the cost benefit analysis does not break in their favor.

Right wing, you people are silly. Who do you think buried diem? every administration has used the CIA to conduct business. pull your head out of your well...

seriously history is your friend. whistleblowers report on banks who dont lend to black people or companies stealing from the pension, dead men dump designs for KH (whatever it is now) or boms that the NSA uses to snoop in telecoms. He made his bed.

Oh yeah: on edit giving people ssl vpn in tibet is not dumping Chinese or Russian nuggets. Wake me up when he grabs something of value in china and has living family left in OZ. They know he has a kid, they dont play nice.

[Hissyspit]

28. Never ever said he is not in danger and, yes, I remember the polonium.

[tavalon]

42. I'm going to make a wild stab here

Not about whether you're a liberal or not, but rather, that you used to be in the military. Military folks are a band of brothers no matter what (and why wouldn't they be?), but it leads to a bit of tunnel vision sometimes. Assange isn't leaking non specific classified information - he's trying to wake us up. Show us what our government and our military under it's command, is doing. And a lot of it is illegal and immoral and as hard as it clearly is for you to take, he's doing the right thing. Whether his reasons are the right reasons are really things we don't know so we can't really speak to that part of it, but the morality of what he's been doing is easy to see - if you take off the cool night vision goggles.

[Pavulon]

52. Well his german buddy quit because he did not want blood on his hands

now there is plenty of classified information that left classified because it is easier than vetting it. System configuration for old nt4 servers are still classified, the servers have been gone for a long time. Not sure about the network interfaces they used. Maybe the new stuff is on the same wire.

This was not the pentagon papers, not intelligence meant for analysts or leaders, its raw files. Those files have peoples names, locations, and other information that really does not need to be out there.

The classified stuff I did in the military was boring and stupid. Outside of the military I worked on stuff that is and should stay classified.

He dumped information stolen by some guy trying for lulz. There is nothing that had not been published in FP magazine or the Times..

[tavalon]

41. They're whistleblowers

I always support whistleblowers. It's in my DNA.

[Pavulon]

53. Whistleblowers generally are not felons. Manning will die in federal prison

he did not disclose information about pension theft, or discrimination against a minority. He is not a whistleblower.

He signed the paper that said I will not disclose this information under penalty of 10 years and 10,000 dollars, per incident.

Times 100,000 docs, well he will never see sunlight again. Cables about Iceland are not whistle blower relevant, its just theft of classified documents and it will cost him his freedom.

As for assange he choose to publish it, so now he can live with the CIA and NSA up his ass for the rest of his live.

[tavalon]

61. Sometimes they end up that way

I'm guessing you've never been a position where you felt you needed to make a stand for something, even if it got you fired, or demoted, or even arrested?

[Pavulon]

62. yep, posting child porn is still illegal

just like posting classified information.

[tavalon]

63. Wow, that's quite a false dichotomy you just set up there!

Edited to add: And, you didn't answer my question.

[Pavulon]

64. ten ten, i think you get more

for posting classified stolen docs vs CP. felony.

[tavalon]

66. That wasn't my question

You still haven't answered it.

[Pavulon]

67. Yes I have expressed my opinion without breaking a ten ten law

I have expressed a multi million dollar design change (revision) without feeling the need to disclose classified information to people who were nor cleared to see it.

I have also implemented a solution I believed incorrect that is still in service today.

But did not submit it to popular mechanics for the peanut gallery to approve.

I did not submit it for the lulz, and am not currently under suicide watch. cheers, does that answer it for you, if not clarify and i will be happy to address your concerns point by point.

[tavalon]

68. No, that's good enough

I knew from the start that you and I don't agree on this. And yes, you finally answered my question without resorting to poor debating technique.

I'm fairly sure you have no idea what being a whistleblower entails and the dangers that people such as Assange and Manning take on because of their personal ethics.

And I'm now done with this conversation because neither of us is going to be convinced of the others position so it's just throwing monkey shit from this point on.

[Pavulon]

69. Whistle blowers disclose the bank does not lend to blacks and mexicans, or

you company did not fund the pension. Criminals who are going to die in federal custody dump hundreds of thousands of documents they stole of a secure net for the lulz. I mean the iceland financial crisis was worth blowing right. umm, bullshit.

Assange is a pimp pushing information because he is a cia employee running a fat honeypot or he is pushing an agenda. either way he is a bit player and taking risks that can result in lack of breathing capability.

I wish mr assange the best of luck in heir rape case(s) plural. and filling hte head count that quit because they did not want blood on their hands for disclosing unvetted information.

I assume you are ok with breaking eggs to further you cause. Right?

[tavalon]

70. Do you really want to continue this discussion?

You're not convincing me, I'm not convincing you. I could take apart what you just said and do it brilliantly. You would probably have brilliant retorts to each of my points and neither of us is going to budge.

Anyway, even if you do want to continue this conversation, I don't. I spend a lot of time at the zoo with my hubby as he volunteers there and I've seen monkeys flinging poo. It's just embarrassing. Useless and embarrassing. And pointless.

[OnyxCollie]

6. K&R. nt

[Odin2005]

9. Is it Fascism, yet?

[nc4bo]

40. You know the saying: "If you have to ask,..................?"

Nothing more wrapped up in a flag than our own government, don't cha know.

[No Elephants]

10. wikileaks is a terrorist, now? For speech? Are Ellsberg, Gravel and the NYT

Terrorists, too?

Anyone have an emote of a donkey shredding the COTUS?

[Pavulon]

14. Its just a lie, the service provider did not back their claim.

they are not on the state department list like hamas or hezbolla.

[greiner3]

12. HOw many full time employees does the US government;

Have just to screw with Julian?

[Pavulon]

15. I sometimes wonder if Julian is an employee..(nt)

[Hissyspit]

23. LOL

[Pavulon]

26. For a honeypot he is good, posted some splatter matter and low level crap

and hung a piece of shit little rat who will die in florence adx next to pollack and the unabomber. Seems he has provided useful information, between his rape cases that is..

[NJmaverick]

16. Good, hopefully the lack of funds will protect the innocents Julian loves to endanger

[Hissyspit]

22. Show me proof that innocents have been harmed.

Otherwise it would be nice to keep the right-wing talking points with the right wing.

[Pavulon]

27. Proof. People quitting because they dont want blood on their hands. but wired is reich...

right.. assange>> respect my authority..
http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/wikileaks-leadership-in-crisis-after-disputes-with-founder-julian-assange/story-e6frfku0-1225929413989

[NJmaverick]

44. Show me proof giving lists of paid informants to the Taliban caused no harm

or stop peddling your false talking points

[Ignis]

56. Oh, so you're anti-whistleblower and pro-status quo?

Quelle surprise. :eyes:

[ProudDad]

58. The only endangered innocents

are the folks in the crosshairs of the USAmerikan Empire...

Assange is a hero!

Piss on ALL Flags!

[Odin2005]

65. Yes, because exposing the crimes of our government is so wrong.

:eyes:

[kgnu_fan]

17. Military Industrial Complex is afraid for the truth to come out

[Downwinder]

19. An admission there is no legal case against WikiLeaks. n/t

[Hissyspit]

21. +1

[kgnu_fan]

45. one more kick

[kpete]

29. WikiLeaks says funding has been blocked after government blacklisting

Source: Guardian


WikiLeaks says funding has been blocked after government blacklisting

Founder Julian Assange hits out at decision by Moneybookers, which collects the whistleblowing website's donations


The whistleblowing group WikiLeaks claims that it has had its funding blocked and that it is the victim of financial warfare by the US government.

Moneybookers, a British-registered internet payment company that collects WikiLeaks donations, emailed the organisation to say it had closed down its account because it had been put on an official US watchlist and on an Australian government blacklist.

The apparent blacklisting came a few days after the Pentagon publicly expressed its anger at WikiLeaks and its founder, Australian citizen Julian Assange, for obtaining thousands of classified military documents about the war in Afghanistan, in one of the US army's biggest leaks of information. The documents caused a sensation when they were made available to the Guardian, the New York Times and German magazine Der Spiegel, revealing hitherto unreported civilian casualties.

WikiLeaks defied Pentagon calls to return the war logs and destroy all copies. Instead, it has been reported that it intends to release an even larger cache of military documents, disclosing other abuses in Iraq.

Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/oct/14/wikileaks-says-funding-is-blocked

[Taverner]

30. The house always wins...

I am somehow reminded of that rule

And damn, it sucks

[villager]

31. Yes, though the house is going to collapse, soon enough...

...and then things will get interesting....

[Taverner]

32. The 'house' will never collapse

If the country that house is in collapses, so be it

Just remember how many members of that other 'house' over in Moscow got very nice jobs when Putin was elected

It sucks

[villager]

39. Point, I guess. The KGB and Politburo never really went away, did they...?

sigh....

[kgnu_fan]

33. Our military industrial complex is working really hard to supress any resistance

[bemildred]

34. Yawn. nt

[defendandprotect]

35. Open a POB for collecting donations .... let's see what happens!

This is an organization we need!!

[silver10]

36. Democracy at work!

[bl968]

37. Insurance File

Perhaps it is time for them to unlock a few of the documents from the encrypted insurance file they released on their web site....

[Pavulon]

54. Let them dump it all. The people who care know what was stolen and already decided

that recursively removing everyone involved was not worth it. Short of dick cheney and george bush literally BBQing and eating an Iraqi there is nothing there that will live past a 2 day news cycle.

oh well.

[Name removed]

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[Pavulon]

55. Yes wake up.. you can not donate money to hamas or the farc

you can not publish a BOM that belongs to the NSA for eavesdropping equipment or documents that are classified without paying a price.

Bradley will die in florence adx next to pollack and the unabomber. Assange is now an intelligence service, passing information pushing an agenda, without state power to back it. Not a great position to be in. He is like a child molester in general population, not going to last long with the company he choose to keep.

Actions have consequences. Just to be realistic, I am pretty sure if I post classified schematics for feed water pumps on GE naval reactors (which I no longer have access to) here the moderators will remove my post and then contact the FBI. You know because that is illegal.

[kgnu_fan]

43. War needs to stop and Wikileaks is exposing the Pentagon's true color

[kgnu_fan]

50. John Pilger: I salute such principled audacity

http://www.newstatesman.com/digital/2010/09/pilger-wikileaks-assange

<snip>
I asked him what he had learned most from his glimpses of rampant power. "In one way or another I've been reading generals' emails since I was 17," he said (he is 39), "and what I see now is a vast, sprawling estate that is becoming more and more secretive and uncontrolled. "This is not a sophisticated conspiracy; it is a movement of self-interest to produce an end result that is Iraq and Afghanistan, which are used to wash money out of the US tax base and back to companies like Northrop Grumman and Raytheon."

[Bragi]

46. If only the Dems controlled the White House and Congress

then this shit wouldn't be happening.

[kgnu_fan]

47. ???

Or :sarcasm:

????

[Bragi]

48. Yep... /nt

[ProudDad]

59. But they're keeping their powder dry (n/t)

[Poll_Blind]

51. Can someone help me find the actual watchlist (US) or blacklist (AUS)?

As a bizarre twist of fate would have it, just a few days ago I was looking at the restricted lists for the U.S. (originally I was doing some research on sending mail to Cuba and whether it was legal or not) and it definitely was the latest list. I can't recall the link for the list now but it listed restricted people and addresses which one could not legally send mail to.

I hunted up the link again yesterday and specifically looked for Assange or Wikileaks on it. No dice.

The reason why I ask is if the Moneybookers e-mail is factually correct than anyone sending money to WikiLeaks- or even visiting their website- could be prosecuted for a crime in the United States. This would only be the case if the Moneybookers e-mail is absolutely correct and I am very dubious.

Can anyone help track this down? Is it in a reply I missed upthread? Is it listed in some other news article?

The U.S. has so many laws about things like this and information related to them is spread all over the place, it's very difficult to track down whether this was just Moneybookers reporting a threat or an actual event.

PB

[Poll_Blind]

57. Found my own answer: Moneybookers implied it was at the U.S. behest then backtracked.

Here from a CNN story

PB

[ProudDad]

60. Sounds a lot like those "national security letters"

the bastards were handing out to librarians...

Which prohibited the librarians from revealing that they'd gotten the letter in the first place...

What else would you expect Moneybookers to say? You think they'd put their asses in a sling by admitting that the USAmerikan Empire gave the order...?

[kgnu_fan]

71. Glenn Greenwald: How propaganda is disseminated: WikiLeaks Edition

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/10/17/wikileaks/index.html


Well chronicled ....good read

[kgnu_fan]

72. kick for fun