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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 06:54 AM
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Shifts from bin Laden hunt evoke questions [USA TODAY]
OUR man Clarke has shifted everything. the media is now on the prowl for a new kind of "truth"... the real kind. yay for us, the liberals. 8^)

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http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2004-03-28-troop-shifts_x.htm?csp=24

Posted 3/28/2004 11:16 PM


Shifts from bin Laden hunt evoke questions
By Dave Moniz and Steven Komarow, USA TODAY

WASHINGTON — In 2002, troops from the 5th Special Forces Group who specialize in the Middle East were pulled out of the hunt for Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan to prepare for their next assignment: Iraq. Their replacements were troops with expertise in Spanish cultures.
The CIA, meanwhile, was stretched badly in its capacity to collect, translate and analyze information coming from Afghanistan. When the White House raised a new priority, it took specialists away from the Afghanistan effort to ensure Iraq was covered.
Those were just two of the tradeoffs required because of what the Pentagon and CIA acknowledge is a shortage of key personnel to fight the war on terrorism. The question of how much those shifts prevented progress against al-Qaeda and other terrorists is putting the Bush administration on the defensive.

Even before the invasion, the wisdom of shifting resources from the bin Laden hunt to the war in Iraq was raised privately by top military officials and publicly by Sen. Bob Graham, D-Fla., and others. Now it's being hotly debated again following an election-year critique of the Bush administration by its former counterterrorism adviser, Richard Clarke.

"If we catch him (bin Laden) this summer, which I expect, it's two years too late," Clarke said Sunday on NBC's Meet the Press. "Because during those two years when forces were diverted to Iraq ... al-Qaeda has metamorphosized into a hydra-headed organization with cells that are operating autonomously, like the cells that operated in Madrid recently."
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 06:58 AM
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1. This part of the story, if told by the press...
can surely, I hope, be understood by the American people. USA Today is a good outlet for it --
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ze_dscherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 07:01 AM
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2. But Rumsfeld said Afghanistan was a success!
From a recent FT article "UN warns on Afghanistan reverting to terrorism":


Separately, Donald Rumsfeld, the US defence secretary, insisted the US had not over looked the terrorist threat from Afghanistan in the days before and after the September 11 attacks.

"If one looks at what was done, we went to Afghanistan - we didn't go to Iraq," he told ABC News.

"It certainly took away their training, their haven and it certainly destroyed the Taliban and eliminated them from running the country. That's what the president's action was. It wasn't Iraq. It was Afghanistan."


The UN sees it different, and warns that Afghanistan is slipping: http://news.ft.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=FT.com/StoryFT/FullStory&c=StoryFT&cid=1079419972164&p=1012571727102
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Supormom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 11:19 AM
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6. Maybe they should have put a "Mission Accomplished" banner
behind rummie when he was talking about our successes in Afghanistan!
:evilgrin:
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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 07:06 AM
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3. Nice little bit of work, USA Today
But you're only a couple of years late with it. Tell ya what: you print the truth about the bu$h regime for, say, as long as you spent kissing its snaky ass and we'll talk about redemption.

:evilgrin:
dbt
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dArKeR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 10:47 AM
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4. Bhutto, told Bush, you are creating a Frankenstein. (Al Qaeda)
Edited on Mon Mar-29-04 10:50 AM by dArKeR
In the late 80s, Pakistan's then head of state, Benazir Bhutto, told the first President George Bush, you are creating a Frankenstein. But the warnings never quite filtered down to the cops and G-men on the streets of New York.

The Road to September 11
This is an unbelievable story of how Bush Senior/CIA made the Mujahedin/Asama bin Laden into what they are today. UNBELIEVABLE! On MSNBC http://msnbc.com/news/632825.asp Don't read it if you have a weak stomach!

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This link no longer works but it was still up just last month. I think most of you have read it because I've posted it about every month for the last 2.8 years. I have it saved to disk in Taiwan but no on my USA PC.

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Aren't the Bhutto's now being 'illegally', using obscure laws, kept out of running for politics by General Pervez Musharraf the coup leader in Pakistan?


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I've found it on another site:
THE ROAD TO SEPTEMBER 11
http://bulletin.ninemsn.com.au/bulletin/eddesk.nsf/All/3043C0B91612E654CA256AD2000148E5
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 03:49 PM
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16. Nice catch. nt
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 10:53 AM
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5. If the journalists had come onto DU a couple years ago
Edited on Mon Mar-29-04 10:53 AM by Mari333
we all KNEW IT YOU MORONS
and over 590 dead soldiers, 20,000 dead civilians in IRaq, and thousands of wounded soldiers dead for nothing.
the media sat on its hands.
there is no WAY they didnt know the truths were out there, there is no WAY. The blood is on their hands. Now they act like its something to think about.
assholes.
http://www.bringthemhomenow.com
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 12:43 PM
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7. This almost identical story tried to break last July.
Edited on Tue Mar-30-04 08:12 AM by Skinner
The article below appeared, I believe, as an MSNBC 'Web Exclusive' briefly, but no other mention or follow-up anywhere AFAIK. And now I cannot seem to find it at MSNBC's site, but luckily it is quoted at this yahoo group link (you may have to click 'continue').

Did war compromise al-Qaida hunt?


Did war compromise al-Qaida hunt?

By Lisa Myers and Aram Roston
NBC NEWS

July 29 -- Senior terrorism experts are asking whether the United
States could have done much more to go after Osama bin Laden if it
had not diverted counterterrorism resources away from Afghanistan and
into Iraq. NBC's Lisa Myers reports.

In early 2002, the U.S. campaign against al-Qaida — "Operation
Enduring Freedom" — was revving high. U.S. commandos readied
themselves for lightning strikes in the dusty plains of Afghanistan
or the deserts of Yemen; aerial drones buzzed the skies rigged with
cameras and missiles, controlled by technicians on the ground;
surveillance planes high overhead listened for electronic whispers of
Taliban holdouts.

BUT, AS "Operation Enduring Freedom" kept al-Qaida on the run, the
White House was already planning for war against Iraq. Sources say
that in the spring of 2002, key weapons in the war against terror —
such as the commandos, the drones and the high-tech surveillance
planes — were rotated out of Afghanistan. Now experts tell NBC there
was a clear tradeoff as the United States let up on al-Qaida to
pursue regime change in Iraq.

A former national security official in the Bush administration tells
NBC News Senior Investigative Correspondent Lisa Myers the White
House was warned that the buildup against Saddam might provide a
respite for Osama bin Laden and his henchmen. "There were decisions
made," says Flynt Leverett, a former director at the National
Security Council in the Bush White House, "to take key assets, human
assets, technical assets, out of theater in Afghanistan in order to
position them for the campaign to unseat Saddam."

snip

NBC News has learned that in one still-classified incident in Yemen,
commanders wanted to engage what sources call a "viable mission
against an al-Qaida target." After all, in the past they had used the
missiles on the remotely piloted drones to strike at terrorists. But
in this case, because of the Iraq war, there was not a Predator they
could use. The al-Qaida target got away.

What's more, members of the CIA's elite special activities division
and the Army's entire 5th Special Forces Group (Green Berets), who'd
hunted down hundreds of al-Qaida terrorists, were pulled out of
Afghanistan. The 5th, based in Fort Campbell, Kent., specializes in
the Middle East and Central Asia. These soldiers are the ones who
speak Arabic and Central Asian languages, so it's only natural that
they were some of the first to head to Afghanistan. But in May 2002,
according to Army Special Operation Command spokesman Maj. Rob Gowan,
the 5th Group was pulled out of Afghanistan and brought back to Fort
Campbell. The 5th Group would deploy later for Iraq.
In Afghanistan they were replaced chiefly by the 3rd Special
Forces Group, which is trained culturally and linguistically to
operate in sub-Saharan Africa. The A-Team members speak French and
various African languages, which would be of no value in the craggy
Hindu Kush mountain range. Other Green Berets stepping into
Afghanistan came from the 7th Group, which specializes in Latin
America and has Spanish language skills.

Rick Francona, a retired Air Force colonel and an NBC News analyst,
says that another valuable resource in the war against al-Qaida was a
high-tech surveillance plane called the RC-135 "Rivet Joint." "It's
not just the platform itself, it's the linguists that man the
platform," Francona says. "They were being really overworked."

EDITED BY ADMIN: COPYRIGHT

snip

:shrug:

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Neecy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 02:13 PM
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13. huh
Edited on Mon Mar-29-04 02:15 PM by Neecy
"A squadron of the RC-135s was deployed to "Operation Enduring
Freedom" in 2001, says Air Force spokeswoman Beth Kelly, but they
stopped prowling the skies over Afghanistan in May 2002, when they were pulled back to Offutt Air Force Base in Nebraska. Then, starting in November 2002, they began the buildup to support Operation Iraqi Freedom."

Bullshit! They wouldn't have pulled these vitally useful RC-135's out of Afganistan in MAY unless the buildup to support Operation Iraqi Oil started in MAY and not NOVEMBER.

So much for the promise to use diplomacy and go to war as a 'last resort'. They were determined to go into Iraq, come hell or high water, and made plans to do that as far back as May 2002. WE knew that, but can't the idiot press see it from their own stories?
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 12:48 PM
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8. Very Happy To See This, But Angry Because it TOO LATE!
The damage is done. This should have been discussed and the public made aware of this BEFORE the fucking war! Grrrrrrrrrrr!
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 01:13 PM
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9. Not just Clark...
there has been a parade of courageous souls who probably have literally put their lives at risk to speak out: John Diullio, Hans Blix, Scott Ritter, David Kay, Paul O'Neill, Jay Garner.

Each time someone steps up, it makes it a little easier for the next one.
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 01:25 PM
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10. And Ambassador Wilson.
His upcoming book and its coverage could make the current efforts look like a range-finding exercise.

:evilgrin:

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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 01:59 PM
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11. for the freepers... THIS is a "hydra-headed organization'....
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ZR2 Donating Member (345 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 02:08 PM
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12. USAToday, there is a reliable source
~~puke~~

I remember they ran a story a few years ago about how Bushco really did win the election. They counted the votes exactly how the Gore team wanted.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 02:32 PM
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14. This is the part of Clarke's testimony that has real "legs"
Fair minded people can quibble about who negelected the terrorist threat more - Clinton or Bush (though I think Bush did by a long shot - 9/11 did occur on his watch and 8 months should have been long enough to thwart it had he been truly paying attention). However, the evidence is overwhelming that the Iraq war took resources away from the hunt for terrorists - and created a new haven for them in Iraq. And Bush owns this one all by his little self.
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 03:44 PM
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15. Now Clarke is really going for it!!!
Edited on Mon Mar-29-04 03:46 PM by 9215
In his book and on the tube Clarke hammered home the crazy way Bush attacked the wrong target (Iraq) after being asleep at the wheel on Al Qaeda. Now, with that message seeming to sink in, he is being candid on what the consequences are: Bush's irrational obsession with Iraq has allowed Al Qaeda to "metamorphize into a hydra". BLAM!!!

He is landing gut wrenching body blows to these fascist bastids like no one else. He has gained the upper ground: he is a believable, fighsty guy who had dedicated his life to protecting the US and he has apologized for failing in that attempt. Even though I don't think it was his fault, he did to reduce the pain of those loved ones who have gotten nothing but smoke and mirrors from the Bushboy.



His warning begs for action. This may set the stage for cutting through the BS on Saudi links to Al Qaeda.

Here is what Clarke's good friend the late FBI Deputy director John O'Neill said:

The main obstacles to investigating Islamic terrorism were U.S. corporate oil interests and the role played by Saudi Arabia in it. - ex-FBI Deputy Director John P. O’Neill - late July 2001 (http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,4321860-103677,00.html) statement made to French authors Jean Charles Brisard and Guillaume Dasquié, authors of "Forbidden Truth"

Saudi finances need to be investigated BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE! Bush family connection to Bin Laden family BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!

We are lucky, very lucky, to have a guy like this as a public servant. Robert Clarke is a hero of the highest order!

Hope he has full body armor and a well guarded safe house. :scared:

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damnraddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 04:53 PM
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17. Here's the horror:
"If we catch him (bin Laden) this summer, which I expect, it's two years too late," Clarke said Sunday on NBC's Meet the Press. "Because during those two years when forces were diverted to Iraq ... al-Qaeda has metamorphosized into a hydra-headed organization with cells that are operating autonomously, like the cells that operated in Madrid recently."

That's how Dubya has 'protected' the U.S. and the rest of the world. The question is whether the U.S. electorate will recognize just how horrible it is.
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 09:33 PM
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18. Kick. n/t
:kick:

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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-04 09:49 PM
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19. Clarke simply way out-ranks Bush as the"strict, protective father".
The fact that he READS and is KNOWLEDGEABLE and advocated for far more aggressive measures than this administration was willing to take,...makes him an outstanding model as that "hero/warrior" the unsure and insecure masses seek.

His is QUITE amazing!!! I am very, very impressed.
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