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Ross K Donating Member (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-10 12:42 AM
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Gruesome charges detailed against suspected Nazi
Edited on Fri Jul-30-10 12:50 AM by Ross K
Source: MSNBC.com

BERLIN — The world's third most wanted Nazi suspect was involved in the entire process of killing Jews at the Belzec death camp: from taking victims from trains to pushing them into gas chambers to throwing corpses into mass graves, a German court said Thursday.

Samuel Kunz, an 88-year-old who has lived undisturbed for decades, was indicted last week on charges of involvement in the killing of 430,000 Jews — after a career as an employee in a government ministry and obscurity in a quiet village just outside the former West German capital of Bonn.

On Thursday the court in Bonn that indicted him revealed more details of the charges against him, describing in gruesome detail some of the crimes the suspected former death camp guard allegedly committed in occupied Poland from January 1942 to July 1943.

"The accused was deployed in all areas of the camp," Bonn court spokesman Matthias Nordmeyer told The Associated Press.

Read more: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38470369/ns/world_news-europe/



Heard a rumor the defense will be calling Mel Gibson and Ollie Stone as character witnesses.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-10 01:26 AM
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1. Belzec
Edited on Fri Jul-30-10 01:31 AM by Behind the Aegis

A pile of shoes of the people murdered in Belzec.
Only two Jews survived Belzec death camp.


http://www.zwoje-scrolls.com/shoah/camps.html

A Hill Of Little Shoes
I live in the shadow of a hill
A hill of little shoes
I love but I shiver with a chill
A chill I never lose
I live, I love, but where are they?
Where are their lives, their loves?
All blown away
And every little shoe's a foot that never grew another day

If you could find a pair
And put them on the floor
Make a mark in the air
Like the marks beside your door
When you were growing
You'd see how tall they were

And the buckles and the laces
They could do up on their own
Or almost could
With their tongue tips barely showing
Tell you how small they were

And then you think of little faces
Looking fearfully alone
And how they stood
In their bare feet being tall for the last time
Just to be good
And that was all they were

They were like you in the same year
But you grew up
They were scarcely even here
Before they suddenly weren't there
And while you got dressed for bed
They did the same but they were led
Into another room instead

I live in the shadow of a hill
A hill of little shoes
I love, but I shiver with a chill
A chill I never lose
And I caught this cold
When I was chosen to grow old
In the shadow of a hill of little shoes


http://www.peteatkin.com/i66.htm
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-10 01:29 AM
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2. Christ, it's beyond imagination.
I hope he spends the rest of his life in a cell.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-10 01:33 AM
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3. He's 88 (the irony of that number, ugh).
He doesn't have much life left to spend.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-10 01:35 AM
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4. Yeah, I recognize the symbolism.
I'd suggest slow-roasting over a fire but that would be barbaric.

What the hell, send him to Israel. Let him spend the rest of his life being jailed by the people he tried to destroy.
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-10 01:59 AM
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5. As far as I know, NO Nazi has ever been prosecuted in Austria, even to this day...
I'm glad there seems to have been a change of generations taking charge of this in Germany. Many police and government officials since the rebuilding of Germany after WWII were themselves Nazis who either were not considered worthy of prosecution or were "rehabilitated".


mark
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mackerel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-10 02:14 AM
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6. To think England spent the first years appeasing Hitler.
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Ross K Donating Member (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-10 04:12 AM
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7. Appeasement never works
Be it against the Nazis, the Soviets, the racists, the homophobes, of Fox "News."
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-10 09:33 AM
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9. To think England spent the first years desperately ramping up defenses...
...the Germans had rebuilt their military in contravention of the law whilst England and it's politicians convinced themselves that Europe was a peaceful Utopia and that a "Great War" would never ever happen again..Thankfully Churchill saw through it and took over in the nick of time..If it weren't for Winston I'd be speaking German..
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-10 11:00 AM
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10. Britain fell for the same post WWI ideas that we did in the US-
that the "war to ena all wars" had been won, that no one needed to be prepared for war because there was an international organization to discuss our differences like gentlemen...In the early 1930's the entire US Marine Corps had fewer members than the NYC police department, still used WWI equipment.
(When the Marines inveaed Guadalcanal in August, 1942, they were still using the 1903A3 Springfield bolt action 5 shot rifle, even though the Army had begun issuing the Garand M1, an 8 shot autoloading rifle in 1937...The USMC did not get the Garands till nearly 1943.
The US had obsolescent or completely obsolete aircraft and not enough of the right ships. If it were not for Churchill, we may ALL be speaking German.


mark
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-10 04:56 PM
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12. That's because the Royal Family is German - named Hanover.
They're all descendants of Victoria and Albert of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha.

They were the House of Hanover. They changed the name to Windsor.

The Mountbattens, Philip's family, was named Battenberg.


One of Prince Philip's uncles, Louis, was a famous lover of Lillie Langtry.

Probably, the reason why King Edward VIII abdicated was because he didn't want to fight his cousins (Kaiser Wilhelm was also a descendant of Victoria as well as the Czar) and saw a war coming. Edward and Wallis were notorious Nazi sympathisers and visited Hitler.

The story that he had to marry an American divorcee, could not have had a morganatic marriage, blah blah, was most likely a coverup.

Someone once asked Edward VIII why he spoke German instead of English and he said, "Ist mein Mutterspracht". It's my mother tongue.

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Blandocyte Donating Member (830 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-10 06:27 AM
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8. These prosecutions serve many good purposes
Edited on Fri Jul-30-10 06:27 AM by Blandocyte
One of the smaller goods is that they remind us how seemingly smart people (the soldiers as well as the civilians in a country) can have their values twisted by ruthless leadership and its propaganda. These prosecutions, as they search for answers about how such an atrocity could happen and seek justice for the vicitms, remind us of how that values warping process works, and I hope it sensitizes us to the signs of it going on today.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-10 11:20 AM
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11. Karma works in mysterious ways
It took 67 years for Kunz to be brought to justice so no one should ever think that war criminals will never be brought to justice. A younger generation is in charge in Germany now. The same will happen here when it comes time for the karmic adjustment of the perpetrators of crimes against humanity.

Never say never.
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