In it he tells John King that he had been holding onto the tape waiting for the right moment to use it.
Don't worry about the interview disappearing, Think Progress have it. ;-)
Here's the transcript...
KING: Mr. Breitbart, the column you wrote that started this story begins with the word "context is everything" and you describe the Tea Party episode and then you get to this video of Shirley Sherrod. And before we hear her, this slate that we see in the video and it reads this.
It says "On March 27th, 2010 while speaking at the NAACP Freedom Fund Banquet, Ms. Sherrod admits that in her federally appointed position overseeing billions of dollars she discriminates against people due to their race. In the portion of the speech you have online she does no such thing. She talks about an episode that was in 1986, 23 years before she came to work for the Department of Agriculture. Is there a factual mistake in that posting?
ANDREW BREITBART, PUBLISHER, BREITBART.COM: This story is about the NAACP. This story is about the NAACP falsely accusing the Tea Party of being racist and --
KING: Have you --
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BREITBART: When we provided exculpatory evidence to show that Congressmen Cleaver (ph), Carson (ph) and Lewis (ph) lied about the "n" word incident, the mainstream media was not there for us to show our exculpatory evidence that absolutely shows beyond a shadow of a doubt that the three of them lied in order to malign a group of millions --
KING: But what does that have to do with Shirley Sherrod? What does it have to do with Shirley Sherrod --
BREITBART: It has to -- this tape is about the NAACP. Its race (ph) on debt is about nondiscrimination and when Shirley Sherrod is talking there in which she expresses a discriminatory attitude towards white people, the audience responds with applaud -- with applause and the NAACP agrees with me and it rebuked her and the audience. So the entire conversation about race right now in this country is because the NAACP brought up without evidence, again, and including the false narrative that the "n" word was hurled at three black congressmen, this is asserting that the NAACP condoned racism and was caught on video. And the more video that we've seen that we haven't even offered, there's even more racism on these tapes. This is deeply problematic.
KING: I'm happy to look at those tapes, and I promise I will look at those tapes if you post them, but I want to come back to another -- you say context is everything. We believe facts are important, too --
(CROSSTALK)
BREITBART: If that -- if it is the case and it can be shown to me that the incident that she's talking about was done many years ago and not in her current context, but as a reporter you tell me how you confirmed that the incident that she's talking about was 24 years ago? You tell me as a reporter how CNN put on a person today who purported to be the farmer's wife?
What did you do to find out whether or not that was the actual farmer's wife? I mean there -- if you're going to accuse me of a falsehood, tell me where you've confirmed that this incident happened 24 years ago. This is Shirley Sherrod trying to save her job when her problem is with Vilsack (ph) and the USDA and the NAACP, both which have rebuked her and forced her to leave her position.
KING: I think she has legitimate questions as do we for Secretary Vilsack (ph), the NAACP, the Agriculture Department and perhaps even the Obama White House. But did you reach out to her when you posted this to ask her -- I have this tape. I think it shows what I -- what you believe to be damning conduct or questionable conduct. Did you reach out to her and say what incident are you talking about? When did this happen?
BREITBART: This was not about Shirley Sherrod. This was about the NAACP attacking the Tea Party and this is showing racism at a NAACP event. I did not ask for Shirley Sherrod to be fired. I did not ask for any repercussions for Shirley Sherrod. They were the ones that took the initiative to get rid of her.
I do not -- I think she should have the right to defend herself, but what you see on the video are people in the audience at an organization whose sole job is to fight against discrimination and they're applauding her overt racism that she's representing.
(CROSSTALK)
KING: When did you come -- when did you come into possession of this tape?
BREITBART: In March of this year.
KING: And do you have the entire thing because she says where you cut it off, she goes on to say there's no question -- there's no question she says that she was uncomfortable around this white farmer, that in her view he was expressing her superiority and you air the portion where she says so she found him a white lawyer, one of his kind.
There's no question you can watch the portion that you have on the Web site and start to think about what are her motivations. But she says she's trying to tell a parable and that she goes on to say that she realized she did have prejudices, that she had her own prejudices here. I'm going to play the last snippet.
(CROSSTALK)
KING: Let's listen to one piece of the tape that -- this is on your Web site --
BREITBART: Yes, I added that --
(CROSSTALK)
BREITBART: We kept that because it says that she says that it's not just about race, it's also about rich versus poor. That was the exculpatory part, but she did express racism --
KING: So what happens next? What happens next? She says -- I want you to listen to one of the things she said --
BREITBART: I didn't fire her. I didn't fire her. This is not about Shirley Sherrod. Will you give the opportunity for the million strong Tea Party that CNN and the mainstream media has maligned as racist. Will you give us --
KING: I have not maligned the Tea Party as racist --
BREITBART: I said CNN. I did not say John King. You have given air to the NAACP charges and the Congressional Black Caucus charges that the "n" word was said 15 times by 15 different people by Congressman Carson (ph) and Congressmen Carson (ph) and Lewis (ph) and Cleaver (ph). I can prove to you beyond a shadow of a doubt that they created this out of whole cloth.
It is a lie, and I want the opportunity to show America that the mainstream media just like the journalist which organized and colluded against people and even said blame people on the right of racist to destroy their lives in order to stop the breaking of the Jeremiah Wright (ph) story. So racism is used by the left and the Democratic Party to shut up opposition, and I'm showing you that people who live in glass houses should not be throwing stones.
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KING: A lot more on this story to dig tonight, including more of our controversial conversation, I guess it's fair to say with Mr. Breitbart. But first let's get a first impression from our panel before we dig much deeper in the hour ahead. With us tonight our CNN contributors Roland Martin in Chicago, CNN contributor Erick Erickson -- he's the editor-in-chief of RedState.com, the conservative Web site -- he's in Atlanta -- and here with me CNN senior correspondent Joe Johns.
Joe, I'll go to you first because you are among our reporters, Andrew Breitbart saying how do we know these things. We have spent all day reporting this story. Is this farmer legitimate? Did this incident happen 24 years ago? Looking at the property records, talking to everybody, your first impression?
JOE JOHNS, CNN SENIOR CORRESPONDENT: Well my first impression is that phrase "context is everything" is really important. And one of the contexts we haven't explored very much is the context in which the Department of Agriculture decided they're going to get rid of this woman because when you look at agriculture, they have a history. They are notorious over decades for having discrimination lawsuits from women farmers, black farmers, Hispanic farmers. It goes on and on. This is the context in which she makes these statements as a political appointee and she serves at the pleasure of the president.
KING: We'll continue to look at that. That is one how the Agriculture Department and the White House reacted as part of it. Roland, the first thought?
ROLAND MARTIN, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: Well it's sort of hard for Breitbart to continue to deny photos, statements, placards, things among those lines as it relates to the Tea Party, so to continue to try to tar and feather the NAACP when they were factually correct makes no sense whatsoever and simply does not advance his argument at all.
KING: Erick?
ERICK ERICKSON, CNN CONTRIBUTOR: You know this is a difficult situation. I'm actually reminded of the Rush Limbaugh situation when he tried to buy the St. Louis Rams and for three days actual reporters, journalists, news anchors used quotes of his and sabotaged the bid and only after the bid was sabotaged said oh those quotes were made up. They were from the left after 20 years on the radio. This is a similar situation with Shirley Sherrod. It's very clear she's opinionated (ph) person. She realized that she was wrong. This was a poor versus rich issue, not black versus white, but she's a casualty of this game the left and right play these days tarring and feathering people as racist who aren't (ph).
KING: Let's stop the first block there. We'll continue this conversation. Everybody is making interesting points. Many more questions to be answered -- when we come back you will hear from Shirley Sherrod. You will hear in an CNN exclusive from the cabinet member who fired her and is standing by this decision. And we have just been told the president was briefed on this decision, and he stands by his agriculture secretary. Also hear more from our conversation with the controversial Andrew Breitbart -- a lot more digging to do on this story. Stay right there.
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KING: A lot more to talk about in this story. Shirley Sherrod, an Agriculture Department official fired or she says pressured to resign in the state of Georgia because of a story that started on a conservative Web site -- more of her story. You'll hear from her directly in just a minute. First though let's continue my conversation with Andrew Breitbart, the conservative blogger who started this controversy.
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BREITBART: The tape with Shirley Sherrod most offensively and it affirms why the Tea Party is such an important movement in this country. She says that people should get jobs in the government because you can't get fired. That's why the Tea Party is upset. It is because bureaucrats like Shirley Sherrod think that when they get into a position of power that they can hire people and not fire them --
KING: That is --
BREITBART: That is a problem with the Tea Party --
KING: That's a very different argument and you did post that second video of her talking about that. That's a very different argument, though. What she is saying here -- you write a column about in your view people falsely accusing the Tea Party of racism. And I read your column and I understand your point.
Her point is she thinks that you are now falsely accusing her of racism. That actually what she said was yes, I had my prejudices and I felt them and I dealt with them and I confronted them and I learned a powerful lesson from that.
BREITBART: If the other video is so important to you in order to push this story, why aren't you doing your reporting? You're going off of her word that the farmer's wife is the farmer's wife. What type of extra reporting have you done on this? You're going --
KING: I can tell you -- we're doing quite a bit of reporting --
(CROSSTALK)
KING: All day long. I can assure you of that.
(CROSSTALK)
BREITBART: You show me then what is the exculpatory evidence? What exists on that video that will help make that racist -- her racist sentiments go away and the fact that when the audience accepts her racist statements she doesn't say, wait, come on. I'm not racist. There was a racist moment between them that if the tables were turned and you had a white person talking that in a racist way, talking about blacks being the other kind and about a story line about being racially prejudicial in terms of a hiring, in terms of an advice- giving situation, there would be no talk right now about exculpatory evidence.
This was the NAACP affirming a racist sentiment, and there's more racist sentiment in the video that if you want me to go out there, this was never about Shirley Sherrod. If you want to make this about Shirley Sherrod, we'll put Shirley Sherrod saying racial and racist things. This is about the NAACP and the double standard.
KING: If the NAACP is allegedly going to release the entire tape sometime later today, but do you have the entire tape?
BREITBART: We just got it in the mail. We were sent two separate videos by a person who is worried about having a journalist type of allensky (ph) attack against it, so he -- I'm protecting this person. He sent me these two videos and he's now sent us the full video.
And if I get the OK from the people who have the rights to the video to put it up on the Internet, I have no problem with it. Again, I have -- my problem is not with Shirley Sherrod. My problem is with the double-standard in the media that it's willing to play up that the Tea Party is racist without any evidence. This is my evidence to the NAACP that they condoned racism at a freedom dinner around a group that's supposed to be about non-discrimination.
KING: Let me ask you lastly. You say you received, if I heard you correctly,
in March you received the earlier portions of the tape? BREITBART:
Yes -- no, I was aware of the two -- I was aware of the two of them. They were transferred to me this weekend, but I was aware -- I was made aware of the tapes in March. KING: They were transferred to you this week. I was asking in the context if you used them in the context of getting into the Tea Party/NAACP racism debate. I was asking whether -- essentially whether you had them in your drawer waiting for a moment to use them or in the midst of this debate you had in the back of your head (INAUDIBLE) someone told you about these tapes.
(CROSSTALK)
KING: Let me go find them.
BREITBART: I -- the reason why there was no context for me to put this thing out here. The last thing I want to do is talk about race right now in a hot summer where whites and blacks -- I like to call them Americans -- are suffering from the economic malaise that this country is going through. It is the NAACP and the Democratic Party that keeps asserting over and over trying to negatively brand the Tea Party as racist over and over absent evidence. It is un- American.
KING: I want to circle back to this lastly. That is a bigger issue and it is a legitimate question you raise. Shirley Sherrod feels though that you rushed to judgment against her maybe without airing the entire tape --
BREITBART: I'm not rushing to judgment --
KING: -- that the NAACP might --
BREITBART: -- against her.
(CROSSTALK)
BREITBART: It's not about Shirley Sherrod. It's not about Shirley Sherrod. I can say it 20 times. It's about the NAACP.
KING: But she lost her job.
BREITBART: This is -- I did not fire her. If she has a case, then Vilsack (ph), you should be interviewing Vilsack (ph) -- KING: We're trying.
BREITBART: You should be asking -- you should be asking the NAACP why did you not just rebuke Shirley Sherrod, but she -- they also rebuked the audience. The piece is newsworthy unto itself.
KING: Andrew Breitbart, appreciate your time. This is a feisty issue. We appreciate your coming to talk to us about it.
BREITBART: Thank you.
KING: Thank you. Take care.
http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1007/20/jkusa.01.htmlHe also said pretty much what you paraphrased to Hannity...
I posted a clip of it in the videos forum where he says it's about revenge without actually using the word:
And Mediate have the full interview and transcript on their site. In it he tells Hannity he had known about the tape since April...
He's being very careful about saying how long he's held the tape for but it's obvious he has been holding it for months and is trying to squirm his way out like the disgusting maggot he is.