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Elmore Furth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 05:26 AM
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Zephyr solar plane flies 7 days non-stop
Source: BBC

The UK-built Zephyr solar-powered plane has smashed the endurance record for an unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV).

The craft took off from the US Army's Yuma Proving Ground in Arizona at 1440 BST (0640 local time) last Friday and is still in the air.

"Zephyr is basically the first 'eternal aircraft'," he told BBC News.

Their unique selling point is their persistence over a location. Low-Earth orbiting satellites come and go in a swift pass overhead, and the bigger drones now operated by the military still need to return to base at regular intervals for refuelling.


Read more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-10664362



On July 9, an unmanned solar Zephyr aircraft took off at Yuma Proving Ground. It is still in the air. The Zephyr has a wing lenght equal in height to a seven-story building, is covered with solar panels and has two modest propellers jut from its center. They are trying to keep the plane in the air for 14 consecutive days. This plane is made of composite carbon fiber, the craft weighs a 120 pounds and has no landing gear so it has to take off oon the shoulders of five running individuals.


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Stumbler Donating Member (599 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 06:13 AM
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1. Okay, but does it have military potential?
If not, we in the US aren't interested...
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 09:20 AM
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2. Surveillance, I assume
It can't carry weapons, at this stage. Maybe that will come later, if the airplane can be made bigger and sturdier, and the rockets even smaller.
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bluedigger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 09:40 AM
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3. +1
With a weight of just 120 pounds, this aircraft can carry little to no payload. It probably already carries a camera and transmitter, but that is about it. It is operating at too extreme a flight margin to carry any significant weapon. Heck, it would probably have a hard time with a .22 revolver taped to the fuselage....
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 03:05 PM
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12. All it needs is a Laser Designator.
and a link to an armed UAV or manned aircraft. After the strike, it can loiter to do a Battle Damage Assessment and call in another strike if required.
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 03:32 PM
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14. Good point.
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mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 10:20 AM
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4. Eternal aircraft,
don't like the sound of that.
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quakerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 11:02 AM
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5. Hyperbole
Its got spinny bits and those are gonna wear down eventually.
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mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 11:54 AM
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9. Of course, but
the idea seemingly behind these craft is that there could be a 24/7/365 surveillance system in place above us, much more efficient than satellites.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 06:16 AM
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19. Brushless motors can run for decades, the only thing to wear is the bearings.
Ceramic ball bearings are remarkably good and long lasting..

The motors on this plane are very low RPM, the lifetime of the bearings should be well nigh infinite.

I suspect the batteries are going to be the limiting factor on how long the plane can theoretically remain airborne, all rechargeable batteries have constraints on the number of charge/recharge cycles they can tolerate before wearing out.





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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 11:19 AM
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6. This is good for solar - shows the military they need renewable/unlimited energy for themselves.
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yava Donating Member (384 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 09:25 PM
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16. your responses make me sad :(
Here is an application of solar flying at low cost for long duration.
And all most of you think of is to turn yourselves into military experts or surveillance experts as to how we can use it to kill or to monitor even more the humans that we are.
No one mentioned use for cheap monitoring of climate, icebergs, volanos, oilspills, polar bears, deforestation etc etc.
Its very sad and it makes me love you less.
I think I will visit less often.
Sad
:((
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 03:27 PM
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23. Very sad.
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 05:25 PM
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25. You do understand this is a defense contractor's test?
While all those things you mention are nice, they will of course have to be performed by some other device which doesn't use all the patents which will arise from this defense application.

Or, those who wish to use the flying machine for the purposes you mention will have to license the technology from and therefore enrich said defense contractor.

That, I suspect, is why readers are assuming this device will be used for military purposes.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 11:35 AM
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7. How much energy does it take?
Here's my commercial pitch: You equip the bottom with some luxury accommodations. Then, using the rotation of the Earth, people can just hoover, and adjust longitude above ground as the Earth spins to the geographical location they want to be. You can get just about anywhere in less than a day on less jet fuel.
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seattleblue Donating Member (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 02:50 PM
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11. Can't just hover.
Gravity takes you with the earth's rotation. To stay in the same spot while the earth rotated below would require a tremendous amount of energy.
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Kringle Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 04:43 AM
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17. none, its a glider .nt
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 06:18 AM
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20. It's not a glider, it has motors and propellers that keep it aloft.
It certainly has similar aerodynamics to many gliders but it's not technically a glider.

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Kringle Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 07:48 AM
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21. total mechanical power, one hamster-power .nt
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 08:22 AM
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22. Put your hand in one of the spinning props and you'd get a nasty surprise..
The wingspan is equivalent to a seven story building and it's covered with high efficiency solar cells, that's a lot more power than even Lance Armstrong could put out and he is basically a physiological freak.

I've got several electric powered RC planes, a pill bottle sized brushless motor at full power is enough to take the end off your finger at full power if you're careless enough to stick it in the prop.

Here's a tiny little electric plane that will go 175 mph..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_7qvrHgm5M
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orbitalman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 11:48 AM
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8. Forget the god damned military...
Lets keep going for consumer use
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 12:02 PM
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10. Kicked and recommended for the expanding use of solar energy.
Thanks for the thread, Elmore Furth.:thumbsup:
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demoleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 05:35 AM
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18. agreed. n/t
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 03:12 PM
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13. It reminds me of those old Soviet giant planes from the 1920s and 30s
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 04:44 PM
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15. dupe
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 05:06 PM
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24. Great news! David Zephyr likes this breaking story.
Wonderful.
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