Boxer's approval ratings sink, Field Poll says (Statistical "dead heat" with Fiorina)

[villager]

Source: SF Chronicle

Boxer's approval ratings sink, Field Poll says

Joe Garofoli,Drew Joseph, Chronicle Staff Writers

California voters are giving U.S. Sen. Barbara Boxer some of the lowest approval ratings of her career, as the three-term Democrat is in a statistical dead heat against first-time GOP office-seeker Carly Fiorina, according to a new Field Poll released today.

Boxer leads Fiorina, the former Hewlett-Packard CEO, 47 to 44 percent, according to Field's survey of 1,390 registered voters, 1,005 of whom were considered likely to vote in November. The poll, conducted June 22-July 5, has a margin of error of 3.2 percentage points among likely voters. For Boxer's job performance ratings among registered voters, the margin of error is 2.8 percentage points.

Boxer's slight numerical lead masks potentially serious problems for the senator, starting with how 52 percent of the respondents hold an unfavorable view of her.

At the same time, her job approval rating is among the lowest that Field has measured for her since she was first elected to the Senate in 1992: 43 percent of registered voters disapprove of her performance while 42 percent approve. Among likely voters, 48 percent disapprove and 42 percent approve.

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Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/07/07/MNM51EAVTM.DTL&type=politics&tsp=1

[tabatha]

1. Why?

[villager]

2. Probably she's caught up in the overall Democratic failure to decisively act

...in the face of our converging crises...

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[saigon68]

40. Hot Air: The Movie Its lights out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJKlc77K5dg

[yurbud]

70. yep. On healthcare reform, she said the final bill must be good because it pissed off both

conservatives and liberals.

She parroted the DLC, shit on your base, line, which makes it harder for progressives here in California to get excited about opening their wallets, pounding the pavement, or saying they are happy with her performance when pollsters ask.

[No Elephants]

72. "It makes everyone angry. It must be great" Worst. "Reasoning." Ever.

[defendandprotect]

101. Reminders that on war and health care Boxer is on the wrong side . . .

Thanks for the info --

Had a lot of hope for Barbara Boxer when she first came in --

Presume you're from California?

Is the informal plan of voters there just to keep turning over incumbents until

they finally get what they want?

And do you think that will be the ONLY OPTION we'll be left with given corporate money

influence on rising leadership and incumbents?

[No Elephants]

73. Very well put.

Beside, if people, rightly or wrongly, that their only realistic choice is between Frick and Frack, voting out incumbents or staying home are their only ways of expressing dissatisfaction with the status quo.

[Kablooie]

139. There's NO WAY to act decisively when the GOP filibusters everything!!

[CountAllVotes]

3. maybe it is because of her pro-war votes

The DLC contacted me the other day and I told them I was not going to be giving any more money to their pro-war candidates that are running for election/re-election. This includes Barbara Boxer and Dianne Feinstein.

I had it will ALL OF THEM. I told them this and they continued to beg for money.

I told them to take my name off of their "call list". I meant it too.

I think the anti-war left is abandoning candidates that continue to vote for more war money as America is in a catastrophic mess in the Gulf of Mexico. People are going to need to be relocated to other parts of the USA. Does the DLC care? Hell no. :grr:

:dem:

[tabatha]

5. But that is shooting yourself in the foot.

Obama is bringing troops out of Iraq.
He plans to bring them out of Afghanistan.

If the Dems are defeated you will be putting people in power who not only started these wars, but will reverse Obama's intent to bring them to en end.

Talk about stupid.

[CountAllVotes]

6. uh huh

when exactly? He gives ever changing time tables. Frankly, I don't think we will ever get out of the Middle East. It isn't profitable don't you get that yet?

:kick:

[tabatha]

8. The Iraq withdrawal is on schedule.

[CountAllVotes]

18. what about Afghanistan?

My cousin enlisted being told he would be sent to school to learn a profession.

Guess where he went instead? How about Afghanistan? I guess the "school" is the school one goes to to learn how to murder it seems. :puke:

He arrived home safely but he is about to return in August for another "tour".

That is the sort of change and honesty I voted for. Oh yeah! :eyes:

:puke:

[tabatha]

26. Obama's platform included action in Afghanistan.

Did you miss that?

Or are you being dishonest?

[Nite Owl]

33. And it included other things

too and dropping them seems ok? Isn't that being disnhonest too or is this a one way street.

[tabatha]

43. Obama cannot get some of the things

for which he has to rely on votes.

[izquierdista]

61. But he sure can get more war!

Real bi-partisanship there. :puke:

[tabatha]

68. He does not need votes for that.

[No Elephants]

78. He doesn't need votes to end wars, either.

[tabatha]

106. He is ending the Iraq war.

The withdrawal is on schedule.

[mdmc]

114. so we won't be in Iraq for 50 years?

Before re-election Obama will have us leave Iraq and Iraq will be stable, unified, and pro-west? Wow! Bush was brilliant for overthrowing Saddam! Best president ever! (no joke.. The Iraq war is brilliant if there is a pro-west stable Iraq after just a couple years - I thought it would take decades)..

[No Elephants]

74. If he really fought for them, and was voted down, I might agree with with you.

Some he's denied saying and some he simply dropped--or even mocked us for wanting.

[defendandprotect]

100. Exactly . . . +1000%

[Xicano]

35. Obama's platform also included a public option.

But notice how he's kept with his platform with regard to continued war but not with his platform regarding issues good for people such as a public option, backing out of or renegotiating NAFTA, fixing FISA, etc..

I am just saying....

[tabatha]

42. If he could not get the votes, it could not happen.

We have crappy Blue Dogs.

[No Elephants]

75. Yeah. Especially after he called it a "sliver" and let us know how foolish we were to attach

importance to it. Plus, he threw single payer to the wolves during the campaign, so he had nothing to bargain down from--assuming he even wanted to bargain.

You show me that he fought for votes and wheeled and dealed for a public option--or anything he promised--tooth and nail, like LBJ fought Republicans and Southern Democrats for the Civil Rights Act and the Great Society, and I might agree with you.

No, his back room deals were not with Democrats whose votes he needed. He was not promising them programs or hinting about chairmanships or campaign funds or appearances.

Instead, his first discussions were with health insurers, big PHRMA, and big Medical Care. He refused House Progressives a meeting time after time, even standing them up once, until the Senate was done with its butchery. And, when the decision was made to get the bill through with a simple majority, via reconiliation, no one used that opportunity to make significant improvements in the bill. (Even Blue Dogs could not face their constituents with no bill at all at that point.)

You don't do Obama any favors by portraying Obama as helpless before a few Blue Dogs when he controls most Democrats in Congress, the DNC (and its treasure chest) and, at the time, had a very high popularity rating (making him a campaign asset, even for Blue Dogs).

[Xicano]

109. +10

Tell it like it is Elephants.. :thumbsup:

[HooptieWagon]

128. +1000

[Xicano]

108. Or maybe he never intended to do anything other than pay us lip service.

Don't you think? Because I have seen no effort to address these other platform issues so I am of the school of thought that your point has no merit. Even the health care bill went from a platform of basically saying read my lips I will fight for a public option to, as soon as he got into office, a mandatory buying of private for profit health care insurance.

He said he'd fix FISA, then he voted for it. Then we were told that as soon as he got into office he'd fix it. Well? What happened?

He said he'd renegotiate NAFTA or drop out of it all together. Well? What happened? Blue Dogs is the only excuse you can muster up for him? Don't forget about the news reports reporting about the incident where an Obama spokesman commented that Obama wasn't planning anything against NAFTA, but rather that he was just feeding the public lip service. Remember that?

Please stop making excuses because that's all they are. Just excuses. Excuses that go against our (we the working and poor class) interests.



Peace,
Xicano

[No Elephants]

76. Action in Afghanistan to get Bin Laden and Al-Q'aeeda. Did YOU miss that?

Getting the people who attacked us was supposedly the rationale.

[defendandprotect]

99. Democrats in House are protesting this war now . . . thank heavens!

[No Elephants]

77. this is a Boxer thread. Why are you making it about President Obama?

But, since you have, Bush had a timetable for bringing troops out of Iraq. Obama is either in sync with Bush's timetable or somewhat behind it. And he's surged in Afghanistan, even though Bin Laden is no longer there and the military says there are only about 100 Al Q'aeeda left in all of Afghanistan.

[sendero]

96. There is no functional difference..

... between the candidates. Saying "Obama is bringing them home" is useless. In Iraq, he is following the drawdown schedule he inherited. In Afghanistan, there is already plenty of noise about moving July 2011 forward because even a moron can see we are not going to be much better off then.

fiorina is a piece of work, and I truly cannot stand her. But the REASON we are in this situation is that PROGRESSIVES HAVE SUCCUMBED TO RIGHT WING ACTION and we are all sick of it. If they are not going to do anything useful, LET THE REPUBLICANS FINISH THE JOB OF DESTROYING AMERICA AND LET THEM TAKE THE BLAME FOR IT.

[defendandprotect]

102. House Democrats last week began rebellion against Iraq war ... Obama moving too slowly...

When corporations own government and our elected officials it blocks any

normal democratic means of influencing elected officials --

when that happens -- and believe me it has happened! -- then voters will

begin to seek other ways -- messier ways -- of influencing elected officials.

Few of us like this means -- do you have any other suggestions?

Democrats were elected to end the war in Iraq in '06 --

Seems to be a vast gap in between what the voters want and what the "perpetual war"

proponents want!

And -- health care, of course -- was a huge fiasco. We lost our best chance yet of

getting MEDICARE FOR ALL -- and meanwhile Obama is now attacking Social Security and

Medicare --!!

How about that for going backwards into the Bush nightmare!!

:eyes:

[mdmc]

112. lol

Change on the way! Hooray for everything!

[still_one]

16. If the left is abandoning Boxer because of her "pro-war" stance, then they have lost their mind

Sure, there may have been some votes that they may not agree with Boxer on, but the far majority of her positions have been anti-war

If as you say the "left" is throwing her under the bus, then they are losers. Boxer has been one of the most progressive and liberal Senators around

She will also win this election

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[still_one]

46. Go form your own party and see how much following you get /nt

[No Elephants]

79. By the same token, let Democrats keep disrespecting or dismissing anyone left of Graham

and see how many candidates they'll keep electing, unless maybe they go even further right themselves. At that point, American will be beyond screwn.

[defendandprotect]

103. +1000%

[mdmc]

113. so be it

I have given up on my dlc senators.. they will win without me.. or lose, whatever..

[cali]

50. "All of her pro-war votes". Precisely what pro-war votes?

She voted against the Gulf War and against bush's war in Iraq.

[No Elephants]

81. Every war funding vote is a war vote, too, though (but I don't think

that those votes are her biggest problem by any means).

[cali]

87. and she's voted against many of them.

She's an anti-war dem and that poster is full of it as regards her record on the issue.

[yurbud]

117. Do you mean DNC? The only way you can get on a DLC call list is be a Fortune 500 CEO

[Tambo88]

12. Carly 'the Job Outsourcer' Fiorina

..... because people either can't remember or have never known what 'Carly the Outsourcer' is all about. To this date ... even in our current economy she still believes that outsourcing good paying job is good for America.

[Octafish]

98. That should be the Carly brand's label.

Thanks for putting the concept into words.

PS: A most hearty welcome to DU, Tambo88!

[mdmc]

115. welcome to DU

peace and low stress..

[Nite Owl]

13. Maybe because she is a liberal

who did nothing to make changes to polices that were not liberal? She voted with the conservadems without putting up a fight for what the progressives wanted.

[still_one]

19. She voted no on quite a few issues including the IWR. It would be nice if people were informed

instead of making inane characterizations and distortions

Most progressives and liberals who KNOW the issues, know that Boxer has not only voted for progressive causes, but also fought for them

[Nite Owl]

34. I know the issues

thank you so no need to for you make such characterizations.
Fought for them, then gave it is what most of the progressives did if you were watching.

[No Elephants]

82. Please see Reply 81.

[SargeUNN]

7. Fiorina must be a favorite among Democrats in Ca.

or else the we will show you democrats will teach Boxer a lesson by letting a moron like Fiorina get the office. So what if the state and nation suffer from her, the fact is we taught Boxer. Hope it is worth it because something tells me it is not.

[tabatha]

10. Yep, classic cutting off one's nose to spite one's face.

A "bad" Dem is still worth a whole heap more than a "good" Rep.

[Iowa]

65. Short-term, you may be right. But to those who take a long-term view, your position...

...comes across as superficial, naive, and shrill.

"A 'bad' Dem is still worth a whole heap more than a 'good' Rep."

Someone over at Daily Kos (if memory serves) posted the Dem and Rep platforms from the 60s recently. Forty plus years ago Republicans were more liberal than today's so-called "liberal" Dems. So... while you're getting all lathered up about the relative value of two corporate parties (and calling progressives "stupid" if they disagree with you, as you did up-thread), those of us who have been alive long enough to witness the Democratic party becoming worse than the Republican party of 40-50 years ago tend to take a longer, more considered, view.

Clearly, the path we're on (and the one you so stridently support) isn't working - not if you're a progressive. This much we know. The way out of this isn't nearly so clear, however.

[tabatha]

67. Shrill?

It was a calm statement of opinion.

If a person is anti-war, and votes so that the warmongers get back into office, then it is not smart. Maybe I should have used that term instead of stupid. How can a progressive support more warmongers in office?

I do not stridently support the path we are on, I am stridently fearful of Republicans (today's kind) ever getting into office again.

I believe that Obama has taken a lot of good steps forward. I believe that where he has not been progressive enough is something that hurts him deeply, but he has had to put up with a lot of crap.

[backwoodsbob]

84. lesser of two evils

where have I heard this shit before?

[tabatha]

105. Yes, it is shit.

But I don't want the worst evil.
Sorry.

[No Elephants]

80. "LINO"

;-)

[No Elephants]

88. Depends. Bad Dems who (allegedly) force Democrats into "better

than nothing" bills may be worse for the Democratic Party than are Republicans.

[still_one]

14. bullshit, Democrats are NOT voting for fiorina. If anything the problem would be independents

in my state, however, I suspect the poll will not be a reflection of the actual vote as long as people turnout, which is a very real concern

Most workers in this state are NOT thrilled with Fiorina, and that is both white collar and blue collar workers

[shanti]

123. thank you!

it's the freepers pushing that meme.

[EFerrari]

24. That's some imagination you have there. Fiorina is a favorite among

the money people. I've yet to meet anyone who likes her..

[No Elephants]

83. Any support for your claim of what "must" be? And what the motives of Californians are?

[sofa king]

118. She should be a favorite of Dems. She's a terrible candidate!

She's the closest thing to having Side Show Bob running for the Republicans since David Duke.

Seriously, what more could you ask for in an opponent? She's got a built-in self-destruct button, in the form of the most embarrassing resume possible, which obviously hasn't become widely known in California... yet.

But it will, and when the general public learns what California's tech industry has known and laughed at for years, her Peter Principled, Dunning-Kruger, Dunder-Mifflin ass will be ridiculed for weeks or months before she even becomes dimly aware of it.

I predict her campaign will be a slow-motion train wreck from September on, because it will be child's play to manufacture a series of crises which, her past shows, she won't be able to handle at all, and the only person who won't know it will be Fiorina herself.

[OHdem10]

9. The Democratic Party appears to be locked into their same

old election strategy. They seem clueless as to the
the changes taking place out in the country.

They seem to think they can wait until September or
later to really swing into election mode and win.

The restlessness in the country is real. People are
in an emotionally negative state more so than ever inlast
fifty years.

Both Parties seem to want to ignore the obvious, but
the Republicans are willing and able to capitalize on
peoples' confusion. The Republicans have been working
hard to bring Boxer's numbers down and it does appear
they are having some success.. Fiorina has been campaigning
hard and will continue to do so. Waiting to start campaigning
will be a loser for Boxer.

The Democrats on the Hill have done little to spread knowledge
and understanding of the legislation they have passed.
Times have changed. For fifty years the Republicans have
been explaining the principles behind their actions. People
understand the GOP philosophy and stand. The Republicans
convey a spirit of toughness and strength. When people
are insecure ( and Americans are insecure) it is comforting
to hear those in power talk and act as if they know what they
are doing. (IMO, the Republicans will just finish carrying
us over the cliff into disaster.) However, most Americans
simply are not economically or politically savy and depend
on their leaders to do the right thing. Therefore, the GOP
chalk up points.

On the other hand, the Democrats seem to avoid Cameras like
avoiding the Plague. What philosophical principles?? What
Economic Principles are they following???? From day one
no one has had the gumption to get on TV and explain Keynsian
Theory and why this is the only way to save us from disaster.

No one explained Health Care and made the case that it
would reduce the deficit. Just saying it reduces Deficit
is like blowing smoke. In these horrific times, detailed
explanations--How, why, when , where and who are essential.
They leave themselves open to the charge--"no principles".

Wake up and smell the coffee. This election is going to
be fought over basic beliefs. Trying to find dirt is no
good and a waste of time. SC showed us with the election
of Haley. Vitter remains in office. I do not think
I need to list all the examples. The Democrats had better
catch on to what is happening. This past week my monitoring
told me there is a show down coming: The Think Tanks,
notable Republicans, believe this election is about deciding
once and for all--What kind of government will we have??
The GOP are making all the intellectual an practical arguments
for small Governments and devolving many programs back to
the states. Fed. Government will be in charge of: State
Government will be in charge of: Example: Medicaid should
be a state function and in no way connected to Fed Gov.
( I throw this as an example to clarify)

Democrats had better wake up or once the again the Republicans
will run roughshod.

[tabatha]

11. And that truly will be the end of the US.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

44. You are right--the Republicans' PR machine has been amazingly effective

Devious and deceptive, but effective. They saw an opening when the Democrats went after the yuppie vote, and they took it.

If the Dems were half as smart about appropriately targeted PR (which they aren't) AND, even better, about focusing on what the country really needs instead of what the K Street boys tell them will "sell," every election would be a Johnson-Goldwater rout.

[Egnever]

141. Well its easy to be savy when...

Your party controls all the airwaves.

[FBI_Un_Sub]

15. Fiorina is hated in the Tech community

She set out to destroy HP -- and darn near succeeded.

She laid off 40,000 HPers -- and claimed this was a net gain for California. :shrug:

She is incredibly arrogant.

The "perception" (and perceptions count in politics) is that the HP has been good for California, and that Fiorina tried to kill the HP goose that laid Silicon Valley's golden eggs.

[still_one]

17. Absolutely. I work in the silicon valley, and she isn't going to get our vote for sure /nt

[Nite Owl]

36. Remember her statement

about outsourcing: no one is entitled to a job.
Must be on tape somewhere. Should be a commercial.

[No Elephants]

85. +1 For better or worse, she is

correct speaking strictly legally, but Democrats need to put that kind of cavalier statement about people's ability to make a living on a loop and broadcast the spit out of it

they also need to be explaining to citizens of a very bankrupt state how this fiscally conservative "businesswoman" nearly destroyed a giant like HP.

[renate]

71. I was just about to post a similar statement

I have a friend who worked for HP and he just did not have words for how loathed she is.

I hope that when the election gets closer the records of her misdeeds, mismanagement, and disdain for the little people can be made into commercials and have a big impact.

[No Elephants]

89. Question is, why is anyone waiting until the election gets closer?

Is momentum (Fomentum?) really a gift Democrats should be giving Fiorina?

[wordpix]

126. HP computers sucked when she was CEO. See my story, post 124

[gateley]

20. This REALLY upsets me. I can't believe Californians could be so stupid.

They're having such a tough time as it is right now -- I shudder to envision their future with Fiorina as their Senator.

I just took the "who will win" poll on the SF Chron link:

Who will win the Senate race?

Barbara Boxer (221)
29%

Carly Fiorina (436)
57%

Too soon to tell (102)
13%

Total Votes: 759 :scared:

[EFerrari]

27. The Chron site is festering with freepers.

I don't even look at the comments section. It's horrendous.

[gateley]

29. I didn't read the comments, thank God -- The article is horrendous enough. nt

[No Elephants]

90. Maybe cold comfort, but asking "who {do you think} will win" is not

the same as asking "For whom do you intend to vote?"

[gateley]

116. Good point, but it's still depressing (says gateley with the half-empty glass). nt

[Autumn Colors]

21. The corporate powers that be want Fiorina in office ....

... and this is advance "PR" work (because you KNOW that poll numbers can't be manipulated, of course :sarcasm: ) to pave the way for them to be able to manipulate voting machine numbers by JUST ENOUGH not to trigger a recount .....

[No Elephants]

92. Speaking of which, why haven't stricter laws, with tougher penalties, been passed about election

rigging?

[KamaAina]

22. I can't wait to call Sen. Fiorina's office

and talk to "Allison" at her call center in Bangalore. :eyes:

[No Elephants]

94. I've called Sen. Scott Brown's office. instead of Senator Kennedy's. trust me, you can wait.

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[EFerrari]

25. Barbara Boxer is not a corrupt idiot. She's one of the most consistent

and consistently progressive members of the Senate.

[still_one]

49. You are right on. I also notice a lot of people expressing that B.S. aren't even from California

I suspect those that are expressing the negativity with Boxer have a very strict mold, where if any candidate varies from that mold, then becomes unacceptable. Something like cutting one's nose off to spite one's face

In my view it is a thought process very similar to the current republican mind set, you either tow the line 100% or the they don't want you

Most people are NOT consistent on all issues, and do not fit into that mold of perfection, unless of course you are a robot

[PufPuf23]

63. Agree, Boxer is one of the best and most consistent liberals we have, nt

[No Elephants]

86. Agree.....

http://209.18.106.110/voting_category.php?can_id=53274

Boxer's problems are more along the lines of being an incumbent at a time when people are unhappy with what's been going on in D.C., the nation and California.

[wordpix]

127. yes she is, I've always thought she's one of the best senators we have

I don't live in CA but I know a good senator when I see one. She puts Lie-man to shame (one of mine)

[keepCAblue]

30. 3 posts? Yeah, right. Fiorina might be "new blood" but it's blood...

...on her hands from all those she has trampled over, stabbed in the back and bitten in the ass throughout her disastrous career. Just what CA and Washington needs: another blood-sucking, two-faced Republican who will destroy this nation and the people within, just as she did to HP and all the other companies she has ever touched.

Say whatever you want about Boxer, but on progressive issues--civil rights, glbt rights, women's rights, workers' rights, environment, etc.--she consistently votes with a liberal conscience. Fiorina will NOT.

[Hawaii Hiker]

28. It's hard to imagine Los Angeles & San Francisco voting for Fiorina

PERHAPS if she was a moderate, but Carly Fiorina is just a few steps removed from being Sharron Angle...

Maybe I'm the enduring optomist, but i can't see how Boxer loses this race..

[Beam Me Up]

31. Just remember: The function of the press is to tell you what they want you to believe is true ...

NOT necessarily what IS true. This Field poll with a 3.2 margin for error may or may not be an accurate representation of "likely voters," especially if the poll was conducted to land line phone numbers.

[bemildred]

32. This is propaganda. Ignore it. nt

[still_one]

52. I don't know if it is propaganda, but some of the posts that say Boxer isn't liberal are way off

[bemildred]

53. Well, I respect intelligent doubt.

But I would ask you, if this is not propaganda, then what is it? It surely is not reportage of facts; at best it is reportage of opinions and interpretations of statistical samples of opinions as though they were facts, and in my book, that is "spin" or propaganda. It most surely does not compel anything at all to happen in November nor anybody at all to think anything at all.

[still_one]

54. What you are describing is what polls are all about. Field is a legitimate pollester

however, as you said it is just a reportage of opinions at a certain point in time, which you characterize as propaganda

For discussion sake, I don't consider that propaganda, at least from the pollester's point of view. It may be spun by others which then become propaganda

We may be actually on the same page

I also believe, as someone who lives in Northern California, that Boxer will win

[bemildred]

58. It surely is not reportage of facts (to repeat myself).

It is reportage of interpretations (opinions) of statistics based on samples (most unlikely to actually be random) of anonymous opinions given over the phone at a certain point in time. It is worth exactly nothing as reportage of fact, and it's only purpose for existing it to attempt to sway opinion, i.e. it is propaganda.

[Mika]

37. The closer a race appears to be (via MSM) pacifies the inmates when the election is stolen

Oh well :shrug: the media told me it was too close to call. :shrug:

Two minutes of hate to follow, then, afterward.... :shrug:

---

[Lydia Leftcoast]

45. That was my first thought, too

Doesn't California have electronic voting?

[beltanefauve]

135. Nope. We have paper ballots

We have Debra Bowen (thank god!) as our SOS. During Arnold's first term, we had a Dem SOS whose name escapes me at the moment, who was driven out by some sort of (phony?)scandal. That SOS was against certifying the Diebold machines, but Arnold appointed Bruce McFearson who thought otherwise. Luckily, he ran against Debra Bowen who managed to squeek out a victory in the dead of night. She de-certified the damn machines and put several other safeguards in place. I've worked as a precinct inspector, and I'm pretty impressed overall with the way elections are conducted in this state.

[still_one]

48. It won't be stolen, and Boxer will win, as long as there is a reasonable turn out /nt

[EFerrari]

55. It's beginning to feel like that. And no one has fixed LA County's

election systems yet, afaik. We win or lose in that county. :shrug:

[Dawgs]

39. Remember October 2008? The same was said about Obama in PA.

I'm not worried.

[still_one]

51. As long as we turn out to vote in California she will win /nt

[No Elephants]

95. I think Boxer will pull this one out, too, but Obama for Pres. in Pennsy in '08 is in no way

comparable to this race.

[xchrom]

41. recommend

[still_one]

47. and you are recommending this because? /nt

[xchrom]

56. You are asking why? Nt

[still_one]

62. To inquire if you are recommending it because the poll reflects an accurate view of California

and how they view this race?

I live in California, and from my experience I do not see this poll as an accurate reflection, especially in regard to the ex-hp ceo

I do not think it is that close

[xchrom]

64. Until 8 weeks ago I lived in Oakland.

I've lived Cali most of my life.

Cali gave the U.S. Reagan, Pete Wilson and the first
of the modern racially discriminatory migrant laws
and prop h8.

I find the potential info interesting and we
will see if the base is motivated in November
or not.

[still_one]

69. To be honest, I have no idea what the base is anymore. California is never consistent

and is fiercely independent, however, when Californians do show up in volume, they tend to vote progressive. I believe the problem with proposition 8 was the awful wording, and not because people were against equality for everyone but gays.

I mean when people, who don't think very well in the first place, are told yes means you are for gay rights, and no means you are against gay rights, and yes wins you have to wonder if the wording of the proposition had any factor why yes won

[blue_onyx]

140. You are in denial...

if you think proposition 8 only passed because people were confused. I read it and it wasn't confusing. Additionally, if you assume some people voted to ban gay marriage because they were confused then you also have to assume some people who oppose gay marriage inadvertently voted to support it. If the proposition was that confusing, it would have confused everyone, not just gay marriage supporters.

It passed because voters didn't support gay marriage. It's that simple. I know that does fit with the self-image many Californians have but it's reality. Hopefully enough people have change their minds by 2012 and it can be reversed.

[librechik]

57. exactly what they want--to steal the election.

same thing in AZ with the tie between Angle & Reid.

[newspeak]

121. you mean Nevada, right?

Reid and Angle are in Nevada--my state. What a scary prospect, having Angle as a Senator. It's the north in Cheney country, that Reid will need to be worried about. Angle stands for the same shite that got us into this financial mess in the first place. Nevada is very much a union state, I can see her messing with labor here-and she's just another de-regulation corporate whore with more evangelizing and privatizing on her mind.

[Raine]

59. "Don't call me ma'am"

I think it was that, bringing her to the attention of the nutballs and targeting her. :-(

[Tempest]

60. Polls this early are notorious for being unreliable

The same thing happened in 2004.

Jones was even with Boxer in the summer and lost in the general election by a good size margin.

[No Elephants]

104. In 2004, we still had Dummya and the Republicans controlled Congress.

People could blame Republicans for whatever ailed them. Not necessarily so today, tho Democrats could try explaining how a minority can control Congress.

[juajen]

66. Maybe the poll is fixed. They can't steal the election if the polls A

are giving her a good lead. We've seen this before. Move along....

No way do I believe that that woman is ahead of Barbara.

[Thor_MN]

91. Carly is going to jawbone her business buddies to open up the jobs tap?

:rofl:

[rucky]

93. Nothing California voters do surprises me anymore. n/t

[flamingdem]

97. This is crap designed to give Fiorina legitimacy, no way in CA! nt

[No Elephants]

107. Check Boxer's voting record at the link in Reply 86. IMO, she deserves whatever support you can

possibly give, even if it's only words of encouragement, whether or not you vote in California.

[Xicano]

110. Could Marijuana Help Sen. Boxer Win?

I just had a thought. You know how we have a proposition on the ballot to legalize marijuana here in California? I wonder how many liberal democrats that will bring to the polls that might have otherwise stayed home? Liberals who will never vote for a repub because their DNA just won't allow for it.

Just a thought. lol :P

[wordpix]

125. Barbara should make a loud stand on that. Think you're onto something

:P:

[mdmc]

111. I better send her some cash STAT

as soon as I can afford medical treatment and pay off my debts..
bad rubbish..

[newspeak]

119. I remember Studs Terkel say that he still had faith in the American people,

today, I don't know if I share his opinion. Little boots was in office for eight long years and had his own congress for six years--with that, he did not protect us from 9/11 (and since he had intel, yes, I do think he's responsible), he has blood on his hands for starting a war based on deception, he poured our money into war profiteer's pockets (overcharging and no accountability), he watched as NOLA drowned so he could prove to the country-"see, government doesn't work," he allowed Wall street even more leeway from regulation, he allowed corporations to basically "police themselves" (since the sociopaths do such a good job of it), and even did more giveaways for the rich and infamous (after all their his base). Also, he has the lowest job creations record than the last seven presidents.

And now, those same repugs who actually were responsible for the shite we're in are telling the American people that they can solve those problems. I mean, they created this FUBAR and now they're worried about the deficit, about jobs, about the economy. I cannot believe the audacity of these cretins. And, I wonder how many people are going to, again, buy into this bullshite.

I mean the DLC is all for keeping the status quo, but these mostly religious dimwits, to me, would be a much worse choice. It's going to be very interesting to say how mental the people in my state will be--I'm waiting to see how Sharron Angle fairs--God, I really don't want to live in interesting times.

And, I've previously lived in California for over fifteen years, and if Fiorina wins, I don't think California is the state I remember.

[IndianaGreen]

120. If it were DiFi in trouble, I wouldn't give a crap!

But this is Barbara Boxer, a solid performer, and one of the good Senators that progressives can rely on. Fiorina was a major failure as HP's CEO, and she will be a major failure were she to become a US Senator.

[shanti]

122. Bullpucky

We love barbara boxer here in cali, although if you read some of the freeper comments in the newspapers, you'd not think that. now, if it was feinstein running instead, i might believe it. di fi doesn't get half the negativity that barbara does from them.

[wordpix]

124. you mean Carly HP, who sold me 2 brand new HP desktops that didn't work? Story:

Back in 2004 or so when Carly was running HP, I bought an HP desktop computer at Best Buy that didn't power on. Had to take it back (I live an hour from the store) and then brought home HP computer #2 that also didn't work. I was able to power on but something else major wasn't working. Brought back Computer #2 and the guy asked me if I wanted #3. I said NO ARE YOU KIDDING? No way I'd touch an HP computer then or to this day.

I bought a Sony Vaio and it's worked perfectly since then---at least 6 yrs.

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[newspeak]

130. Boxer voted against the Iraq war

she did not vote against military expenditures after that--and why would she after Pandora's Box was already opened. My daughter and SIL are in the military (daughter just got out), if Boxer hadn't voted for funds to the military-there'd be a whole lot of people, besides the press stating she doesn't care for our soldiers. And you know damn well that would happen.

She voted against the war, unlike some of our other DINOS.

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[bemildred]

131. Boxer roses

[fascisthunter]

132. she should move more to the right

:sarcasm:

[meow mix]

136. lol

love these people telling me i have to vote for a right winger.. cause they are labeled democrat.

shes on the wrong side of my top issues, war and weed.

[fascisthunter]

137. and yet they pretend to "wonder" why they are losing folks

[and-justice-for-all]

134. Because there just is not enough corporate whores on the Hill...nt

[Kablooie]

138. All the news is predicting huge wins for the GOP.

It seems the country yearns passionately for Bush and his cronies to take over again.
They are from the government and they are here to help.