Gen. Stanley McChrystal has submitted his resignation, an unnamed source told Time magazine.

[Amerigo Vespucci]

Source: CNN

Gen. Stanley McChrystal has submitted his resignation, Time magazine's Joe Klein told CNN Monday, citing an unnamed source. CNN is working to confirm Klein's information.

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/22/latest-mcchrystal-developments/

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/

[gateley]

1. When's he due to arrive in Washington? I'm thinking Obama will wait until

he speaks with him before making it official. Or maybe not. So many political games. What do you think?

[Tx4obama]

13. He should land in DC tomorrow. n/t

[tiptoe]

68. Olbermann: Pres. Barack Obama shouldn't accept a resignation from Gen Stanley McChrystal

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/36812318#37862690

In a Special Comment, Countdown's Keith Olbermann argues that President Barack Obama shouldn't accept a resignation from General Stanley McChrystal.

[Political_Junkie]

2. Good news

if it's true.

[Wickerman]

3. Well, if that is the case

I suppose one option for Mr. Obama would be to refuse to accept the resignation and offer up a courts martial for Stan. I'd love to see him busted out and reduced rank for retirement. You know he will become a Faux Noise consultant and continue to dribble out traitorous crap.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

5. Spot on.

[glinda]

46. He threw that info to Rolling Stone to help the Republicans. Intentional. He should

be court-marshaled.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

4. Good. I'm only sorry he wasn't fired.

When I think of how many men and women in our armed forces dutifully held their tongues under Bushco, this guy makes me want to puke. McChrystal is a traitor to this country.

[TheDebbieDee]

6. He should count his lucky stars that no one other than me has mentioned Courtmartial!

[PacerLJ35]

64. That's not typically an offense prosecuted under Courts Martial

Unless it's aggravated. Simply saying off the cuff comments about Obama wouldn't fall under that. Organizing something and say, running a protest campaign might.

[pinboy3niner]

73. Agree. It's possible, but not typical--especially at this level.

He ought to be fired. Other discipline is possible (but not likely here):

During the Clinton Administration, a number of military
officers have been disciplined for making disrespectful comments
about President Clinton. Early in the Clinton presidency
an Air Force General was fined, reprimanded, and forced into
early retirement for referring to the President as “‘gay-loving,’
‘womanizing,’ ‘draft-dodging,’ and ‘pot-smoking,’” during an
Air Force banquet speech.1 Three years later, another Air Force
general was reprimanded for telling an inappropriate joke about
President Clinton during a speech at an Air Force base in
Texas.2 More recently, two Marine Corps officers were administratively
punished for published letters to newspapers that
were disrespectful to the President,3 and military officials
warned the remainder of the Armed Forces against engaging in
similar misconduct.4

http://tullylegal.com/article88.pdf

[kiranon]

7. He knows we're losing in Afghanistan and seeks to shift the blame,

in my opinion. He has dishonored the service by his comments. I hope Pres. Obama accepts his resignation and reduces his rank in the process. Even one star less would be a reminder that even Generals are not free to openly express opposition to the President. He could do so in private and then offer to resign. After resigning, he can give any interviews he wants. Good for Rolling Stone in getting Gen. McChrystal's thoughts out there. Perhaps with someone else in charge, someone who is not pushing for more troops and more war, we can exit Afghanistan.

[tularetom]

31. Yup, Obama gave him everything he asked for and he still fucked it up

But if he is allowed to resign he can turn it all around and blame the president for non support.

There should be some public shame doled out to this piece a shit to keep him from becoming a fixture on right wing talk radio trashing the pres.

[LawnKorn]

34. Warmongering, conservative, rat jumping ship before it sinks

McChrystal botched his job, slandered his commander, and is now running for the tall grass. He will be back as a program leader for General Dynamics making big bucks before the end of the year.

[earcandle]

36. IN afghanistan, what is there to win? What is there to lose?

[xultar]

8. MAN UP ASSHOLE. You're still going in to see PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA!

[Joanie Baloney]

11. Totally off-topic, but...

I sure mis-read your subject line. I thought ...well, I think you know what I thought.

LOL





:D

[rucky]

9. Place yer bets for his private industry payday:

Fox News commentator?
Cushy defense contractor?
Doesn't Blackwater need a CEO?

[AsahinaKimi]

25. Tea Party leader

and activist?

[Arkana]

45. Defense contractor.

McChrystal doesn't strike me as the Fox News contributor type--he's not in Oliver North's league as far as greasy and slimy goes.

[glinda]

48. Fox and then Tea Party backing for President.

[Turborama]

55. Commander in Chief of the "Oath Keepers"?

http://motherjones.com/politics/2010/03/oath-keepers

[rucky]

70. that's some scary stuff

[ronnie624]

74. I can easily see such a political element seizing our government, in the coming years.

After reading the Rolling Stone article, I can see McChrystal as a leader of it.

[Dr. Mullion Blasto]

10. Good news if true

Better news would be if Obama fired him, as he should have done when he started acting out over the troop increase.

[closeupready]

12. Good.

n/t

[Hissyspit]

14. No confirmation yet, apparently.

Can't find it anywhere else.

[lunatica]

15. I think his letter of resignation is because he's been fired no?

Isn't that the way it happens?

[IOKIYAL]

17. Looks better to quit after you messed up than to be fired after you messed up.

The former implies that you owned up to your mistakes. This way he can leave with less shame and disgrace.

[MissDeeds]

16. If true, is this a preemptive move

to make it look like he quit and wasn't fired? Or maybe he wanted to lessen the butt kicking waiting for him in DC?

[lunatica]

21. I think it's pretty standard to write a letter of resignation because it means

You've been fired if you're summoned to the President's office for making a general ass out of yourself and grossly embarrassed your President, your entire military branch and most Americans. Of course I'm sure he's a hero to FOX and friends, so that's who he should keep company with for the rest of his living days.

[MissDeeds]

41. Thanks

I had no idea how it works.

:hi:

[w4rma]

18. He can resign his post but can anyone in the armed forces resign from the armed forces before

their renewal time?

[Spider Jerusalem]

22. Officers can resign at any time.

Officers are not enlisted; they do not have specific service commitments (apart from service academy graduates). If not faced with mandatory separation due to being passed over for promotion, there are maximum service limits; but in practice an officer may resign his commission before that limit is reached.

[Sgent]

29. I'm probably wrong

but my understanding was that officer's don't have commitments to be officers (they can resign their commission), but depending on the situation may be required to stay in the service as an enlisted person until their term of service is up.

[Spider Jerusalem]

33. Again, officers don't have a term of service as such.

Except for service academy graduates (who have a minimum service commitment) and ROTC graduates whose university educations were partly funded by military scholarships (who have a requirement of three years' active duty and five reserve)...and directly commissioned officers have a minimum term of service of three years; beyond those limits officers are free to resign their commissions (assuming the resignation is accepted).

[PacerLJ35]

65. All officers are subject to ADSC - Active Duty Service Commitment

Officers don't have enlistments. They are commissioned by the President of the United States and serve at the leisure of the President. However, the services can and do impose service commitments (ADSCs) for training incurred and other things. Academy graduates must serve at least 5 years. ROTC and OTS/OCS graduates must serve 4. Getting a Permanent Change of Station (PCS) incurs a 2 year ADSC. Specialty training (such as flight training) incurs other commitments. The USAF's current ADSC for graduating pilot training is 10 years from the date of graduation. Going through advanced training often incurs a 2-4 year ADSC, depending on what it is. Most ADSCs are done concurrently.

[florida08]

19. he shouldn't be allowed to get off this easy

Insubordination should be dealt with. Bust his ass and send him back to Afghanistan.

[Jaye52]

20. President should not accept his resignation

He should be fired for violating the military code of conduct. And stripped of his stars. And face court martial. This has been coming for some time. He is a disgrace to the uniform and the men and women who serve faithfully.

He's a fucking liar. I will never forget what he did to the Tillman family. I'd write more but I am too angry to put it into words. :grr:

[goforit]

30. A man with no respect for the blood that has been spilled for oil and drugs.

[glinda]

49. Absolutely!

[peacebird]

57. his behaviour over the Tillman affair is reason enough to bust his sorry ass to buck private

and THEN send him back to Afghanistan

[elocs]

23. People routinely resign before they can be fired all the time. I've done, I'm sure many at DU have.

For good, bad, or otherwise this happens all the time.

[Uncle Joe]

24. He's setting him self up for a political run, but he should be court-marshaled.

Thanks for the thread, Amerigo Vespucci.

[Octafish]

26. Don't accept it, President Obama.

Bust the general for insubordination and make him face military justice.

[Tx4obama]

27. Clarification: He has NOT submitted resignation. He HAS offered to resign.

From HuffPo:

Klein clarified that his source says McChrystal has offered to resign, but has not officially submitted his resignation.

=====

Appearing on CNN on Tuesday afternoon, Klein said, "I think he's probably going to lose his job. A little bit of news: I was just talking to a very reliable source who tells me that McChrystal has submitted his resignation and it's going to be up to the president...to accept it or not tomorrow." After the television appearance, Klein clarified that his source says McChrystal has offered to resign, but has not officially submitted his resignation.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/22/general-mcchrystal-offers_n_621613.html

[pasto76]

28. General Officers dont get fired. They resign

like there is an undated resignation letter on the desk of the SecDef at any time.

this trend is troubling, where these generals act like public figures and celebrities, and seemingly (knowingly) violate UCMJ.

[RedCloud]

32. Not good enough. He deserves a court martial!

Why should we the taxpayers continue to foot his enormous benefit bill because he was insubordinate to the Supreme Commander in Chief?

If one of his soldiers had gone public with news about him, prison might be the better alternative.

We are at "war". McChrystal should pay the supreme price.

[Tx4obama]

35. MSNBC: McChrystal has NOT OFFERED to resign, but is prepared to do so. n/t

[thereismore]

38. And just how do they know what is in his head??? nt

[Amerigo Vespucci]

40. Updates from Huffington Post...

...the CNN content in the OP is what they had as breaking news, and it has obviously changed since they reported it.

UPDATE: Gen. Stanley McChrystal has offered to resign his position in the wake of an explosive Rolling Stone interview, according to Time magazine's Joe Klein.

Appearing on CNN on Tuesday afternoon, Klein said, "I think he's probably going to lose his job. A little bit of news: I was just talking to a very reliable source who tells me that McChrystal has submitted his resignation and it's going to be up to the president...to accept it or not tomorrow." After the television appearance, Klein clarified that his source says McChrystal has offered to resign, but has not officially submitted his resignation.

Likewise, NBC's Chuck Todd tweeted on Tuesday evening, "Senior admin aides: McCrystal has not offered his resignation but has informed superiors he is prepared to do so... There is a path for Gen. McCrystal to save his job; everything depends on how the meeting w/POTUS goes tomorrow morning."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/22/general-mcchrystal-offers_n_621613.html

[Tx4obama]

43. The MSNBC report is AFTER the HuffPo report.

Ed Show on MSNBC: McChrystal HAS NOT offered to resign, but is prepared to do so.

[Amerigo Vespucci]

44. OK, you win the pissing contest.

[Tx4obama]

53. LOL,, sorry I beat the dead horse ;) n/t

[thereismore]

37. Stanley is hoping the Prez will not accept it. I sure hope he will. nt

[tomm2thumbs]

42. I'd rather see him sent out of the way... overseeing Guam perhaps

Fox is probably already drawing up contracts to try and hire him if he leaves the military

[SunDrop23]

39. And not ONE SINGLE...

person on the other side should do anything besides applaud.

after all it is unamerican and unpatriotic to disaparage a president at a time of war.

who said that?

they ALL said that.

[PacerLJ35]

66. To be fair...

I bet you supported military officers who openly disparaged Bush.

[CJCRANE]

75. In the Bush era many generals *resigned first*

before they disagreed openly with the president or civilian chain of command. IIRC none of them disparaged him publicly while on active duty.

[PacerLJ35]

77. I was talking about the handful of officers that openly criticized the president

...and then either got discharged or tried by courts martial.

[Dappleganger]

47. Good. nt

[DesertDiamond]

50. Oh happy day!!!! I hope he is court martialed, and NOT replaced. Instead, BRING OUR TROOPS HOME!!

[Arrowhead2k1]

51. "McChrystal is prepared to resign"

It's almost as if he wants to quit. What an asshat.

[Turborama]

52. Who the fuck leaked it to Klein? McChrystal himself?

Gen. Stanley McChrystal has "offered to resign," according to a Twitter post from Time magazine's Joe Klein on Tuesday. Earlier, Klein, citing "a very reliable source," told CNN that McChrystal had already submitted his resignation.

The Twitter post from Klein's magazine offered the "clarification" that the general has "'offered to resign' he has NOT submitted his resignation."

From the latest update: http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/22/latest-mcchrystal-developments/

[dyingnumbers]

54. Like it or not...

The criteria for what makes legitimate free speech becomes subjective when, for instance, the opinions of one public official do not reflect the prevailing attitude, so the consequences for dissent are more pronounced, because so much is at stake in the war.

Rolling Stone profile not McChrystal's first misstep

[Turborama]

56. Article 88 of the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice)

888. ART. 88. CONTEMPT TOWARD OFFICIALS

Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Transportation, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.

http://www.constitution.org/mil/ucmj19970615.htm

"Free speech" doesn't apply when it comes to military matters.

[boppers]

69. Wow. Pretty harsh.

Good to see there's actual law covering this, as well.

[ProudDad]

58. Aw, shucks. He was just doing his job.

He and his boys didn't say anything that most military brass doesn't think anyway...

They just said it out loud in front of a reporter...ooops.

A large number of the (blood thirsty) troops hate his namby-pamby "war making"...they want to kick down doors and blow away ragheads -- poor dears -- and McChrystal's COIN fad won't let them...

As I said before, "nothing to see here", just business as usual among the legions of the USAmerikan Empire...

:nuke:

[Gin]

60. Stanley saw Afghanistan is not winnable....so...he shot off his mouth

to a reporter....will be in hot water for a very short time...will eat crow...then retire and have a nice life with a nice pension......meanwhile the rest of the troops are stuck in that hell hole he helped to create...

This all part of your plan Stan!

[snot]

59. I've wondered from the start if McChrystal's conduct was deliberate,

in order to accomplish some strategic goal.

I'm thinking, e.g., of how MacArthur used p.r. to build up his popularity in the States to such an extent that he achieved considerable leverage over US political policy re- WWI in Asia.

I don't think that's exactly what McChrystal was trying to do -- but his conduct seems at least semi-inexplicable. On NPR today, Joe Klein said, even the worst of the reported remarks were made while Joe obviously held a recorded in one hand and a pen in the other. By all reports, McChrystal is not a stupid man.

[ProudDad]

61. The military is the WRONG TOOL

for any job that doesn't include killing folks and blowing shit up...!!!

If I were king, I'd shovel in Cricket and soccer teams, NGOs loaded down with building materials and school supplies, mediation specialists; the right tools for the job...

I'd end the phony "war on drugs(tm)" and the phony "war on terra(tm)" and pay reparations for the damage the Empire has done around the world...

And save money...

But no, here in the Empire, every problem can only be "solved" with a cop or an army...

:nuke:

[saigon68]

67. Yes they want to "Kill Em All"

[WeekendWarrior]

62. As well he should. nt.

[Robert DAH Bruce]

63. Fuckin' A!

K&R

[Imagevision]

71. That sucks! - Obama needed to fire him, Stanley must have gotten wind of the end results

Obama really needed to fire the good general. it's called respect and you don't pull BS. like Limbaugh will do - when you know your going to end up being in Obama/Drama-Obama's face!
Gen. Stanley McChrystal wannabee's now know better to make sure they go back using the old ways to get a point out without losing your career and looking like an ass while doing it... "an unnamed source labeled the president as "Drama-Obama" today. ha!

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

72. A formality

He's probably hoping the prez will decline to accept the resignation.

If not, well, I think his pension and health benefits are secure for life. He'll do just fine, thank you.

[newtothegame]

76. Good. ALL dissent must be abolished. He knows better than to do what he did. nt