Pakistan Intelligence 'On Taliban's Side'

[cory777]

Source: Sky News

The report, published by the London School of Economics, claims there is concrete evidence suggesting support for the Taliban is the "official policy" of Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence agency (ISI).

ISI not only funds and trains Taliban fighters in Afghanistan but is officially represented on the militant group's leadership council, the report says.

But a Pakistani military spokesperson has reportedly rejected the claims as part of a malicious campaign against the country.

Although links between ISI and the Taliban have been widely suspected for a long time, the report's findings could raise more concerns over Pakistan's commitment to help end the war in Afghanistan.

Read more: http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20100613/twl-pakistan-intelligence-on-taliban-s-s-3fd0ae9.html

[truedelphi]

1. There has been concrete evidence going all the way back to Spring of 2001 that ISI helped hand over

Top Pakistani officials to the hijackers.

Things stay pretty much the same.

[JI7]

2. this isn't breaking news

[cory777]

3. Thanks for the input. Keep up the good work!

[clixtox]

4. Any reason to think they wouldn't?

The Taliban will be there when we are long gone...

I imagine that in that region we are perceived as evil interlopers whose only focus is economic exploitation while heartlessly murdering whoever gets in the way plus, of course, all of the deadly "collateral damage", the USA inflicts on a daily basis in Pakistan has to be damning.

Our historic meddling in Pakistan's domestic affairs is reaping the whirlwind.

They have the "bomb" now, so they don't need us to protect them, and with that nuclear deterrence, the USA has absolutely no leverage on Pakistan anymore.

The USA is in a no-win situation, a circle jerk conundrum the USA created while refusing to face reality on the ground.

No one in that region wants us there blundering around committing horrendous war crimes daily, absolutely no one.

We have no nearby non bought Asian allies, think about that...

In fact, most of our so-called allies have been the "coalition of the billing", not the "willing"!

Meanwhile domestically, the USA is swirling around the drain. Infrastructure crumbling, health deteriorating, debts mounting, wealth disparity skyrocketing, educational systems dysfunctional, freedoms constantly eroding, isolated internationally, and on and on...

What is going to take for this trajectory to be changed?

The USA is a disaster or two away from societal disintegration, IMHO.

All in all, that might be a good thing.

The USA certainly deserves a comeuppance due to hypocrisy and hubris, not to mention the USA's brutal record of repression, colonialism, exploitation, war crimes, greed, arms and munitions distribution and overall stupendous stupidity.

Without fundamental changes there is no doubt that the USA will soon be a case of, "another one bites the dust".

So sad because it certainly didn't have to be this way, that is for sure...

[truth2power]

17. Great post! One more thing..We negotiated with the Taliban right up until 9/11. n/t

[Botany]

5. 9/11 short list

The Saudis provided the men and the money

The U.A.E. was the bankers

Paki intel helped the hijackers

The Taliban in Afghanistan gave al Qaeda / bin Laden a safe haven from which to train and plot

So what did bush do? He invaded Iraq and let the real bad guys off the hook.

[entanglement]

9. ...And the CIA cultivated bin Laden et al as tools against the Soviets

using taxpayer money (St. Ronnie). The Bush family and sections of the American ruling class (James Baker) were completely enmeshed with the House of Saud.
Going by your logic, we'd have to invade ourselves.

[Robb]

10. On the plus side

....we already have bases built here.

[entanglement]

11. LOL at that. So true.

[truth2power]

13. Oh, Snap!! Thanks for the laugh....

It's beats crying over this whole clusterf**k.

[defendandprotect]

15. US/CIA actually created Taliban/Al Qaeda . . .see

my post below on this thread --

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=4424959&mesg_id=4425151

[eridani]

24. Point 4 is wrong. There are no flight schools in Afghanistan

The plotting occurred in London, Hamburg and Indonesia.

[secondwind]

6. The Taliban is desperate, when they hang a 7 yr-old boy for "spying"... :-(

[hardtravelin]

7. No shit.

It was common knowledge that the ISI was conducting surveillance on us when I was deployed in Afghanistan.

[Robb]

8. As usual, the story is not the story, but the reporting of it.

Clearly anyone paying attention will roll their eyes at the obviousness of it. More interesting is that the reporting of it is taking place, and is widespread.

To update von Clausewitz, journalism is often war by other means. ;)

[cosmicone]

12. I have been saying this for years and getting flamed by

Pakistan sympathizers who want to highlight "sacrifices" of Pakistan.

There will be no peace until Pakistan is balkanized.

Bush should have invaded Pakistan instead of Iraq. Pakistan HAS WMD, IS a threat to its neighbors AND is a terrorist state with state sponsored (albeit arms-length) terrorism.

It is not too late for US to work with India and Afghanistan to balkanize Pakistan. A good first step would be cutting off all aid unless Pakistan surrenders its nukes as collateral.

[defendandprotect]

16. We're still not shooting up and warmongering in enough states . . . ????

[truth2power]

18. My thoughts exactly....

Why do we have to micro-manage the entire planet?

[defendandprotect]

20. Thanks ... that should say "nations" of course . . . not states . . .

And decide who may or may not have atomic weapons -- !!

:) :)

[unc70]

25. Cutting aid is stupid, but Balkanization so absurd it destroys your credibility

India is plagued with its own terrorist groups -- Maoist, Hindi, Kashmiri, and many others -- with frequent attacks on trains, buses, markets, places of worship, government buildings, and political leaders. Relatively few of these attacks are by groups based in Pakistan, and those same groups attack targets in Pakistan.

The majority in PK (particularly in Punjab) and in IN, within the governments and among the populations, now support closer ties between In and PK, greater cooperation, more trade, easier travel. Unfortunately this is not the case for many others within each country and outside, for a multitude of reasons.

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[awnobles]

19. And They killed Benazir Bhutto

Using Cia intelligence then swept it under the rug.

[David__77]

21. What's a Pakistani patriot to do?

I mean, the country is practically taken over by the US. If there were patriotic elements in the secret services, what is their proper course of action to protect the country's independence?

[The abyss]

22. They will do as the resistance has always done.

Locate and neutralize

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They will do this because – it is their country, their nation.


May the resistance live on.

[cosmicone]

23. There is nothing in Pakistan to be patriotic about...

It has been an illegitimate country created by the nefarious brits for revenge over India.

Pakistan has had ZERO accomplishments since 1947, lost 4 wars, went through the first balkanization (Bangladesh) after Punjabi Pakistanis committed atrocities and a near-genocide there, lost 4 wars to India and survived on handouts from the US and now US+China.

It has become the epicenter of world terrorism and is on the world's map ONLY because of terrorism otherwise most people wouldn't have even known where Pakistan was.

What is there to be patriotic about or proud of? Most Pakistanis in the West claim to be Indians to not have the stigma of being a Pakistani.