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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 09:01 PM
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Jindal: Why aren t the feds forcing BP to pay for sand berms?
Source: New Orleans News

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Just last week, Governor Bobby Jindal says his meeting with President Obama was positive. One of the issues they spoke about -- approval for six sand berms to keep oil from the spill off the state's shoreline. "He said we need to look at this. We have a single criterion. He said if they can show that dredging in at least these six areas, then we should require BP to pay for them," he says.

Today, though, Jindal wants to know why BP is only being forced to pay for one. "Why wouldn't our federal government help us to force BP as a responsible party pay for all six segments?" Governor Jindal says the positives of building those sand berms far outweigh the negatives. And for him, that's what's even more frustrating. "One of the panelists said, 'Well, what happens if you get oil on the sand? How do you clean the oil out of the sand?' and I said, 'I hope I have that problem. That would be the best problem for us to have in this state.' Because the reality is I'd rather fight this oil on sand than on the wetlands," he says.

"The six which is still short of the 24 we need approved, the six, we have to make BP pay for it. We don't understand it. It's very frustrating that they said they would pay for one and not the other six," says Jefferson Parish Councilman Tom Capella.




Read more: http://www.neworleans.com/news/local-news/405878.html




BP not paying for all expenses. Surprise Surprise
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time_has_come Donating Member (872 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 09:05 PM
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1. Jindal is just looking to take a shot at Obama. BP will pay for it all. They're been initially paid
for by another entity in the turmoil and speed of things being put into place? Relax, Jinal. Stop looking for political points.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 09:13 PM
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3. Right. Jindal doesn't care at all about his home state

or the fact that it is being smothered in oil while he is told to wait, do nothing, BP will take care of it.

Forty two days he's been waiting watching the oil coming closer and not a single BPer in sight.

But if he complains, naysayers quickly spring up and say he hates Obama.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 09:18 PM
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4. We should be SEIZING BP's assets now ... to insure that this disaster is covered ....
and we should renew the Moratorium on offshore drilling --

Let's then estimate what all of these spills have cost us in nature, animal life --

damage to environment -- all of which is priceless and can't be restored ---

and have no further drilling unless a company wants to post that amount in ESCROW.

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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 09:58 PM
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16. I completely agree with this.
And I would further propose a pool to see how fast the case would make it to the Supreme Court.
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cstanleytech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-10 03:26 AM
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25. Eh, its a nice thought but I am willing to bet that BP could probably win
in court if the government tried that especially if they show their willing to pay for the damages they are causing.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-10 01:29 PM
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40. There is no dollar bill which can "pay" for damage to nature . . . that's one
of the thinking problems we have -- nature is ALL --

we have to stop judging everything by the yardstick of a dollar bill --

it's an artificial entity which native Americans pointed out long ago --

you can't eat it, you can't plant it, you can't drink it --

It will never show you a sunset or a rainbow.

The entire concept of seashells to dollar bills is about convenience in trading --

rather it has turned into a way to amass power over government --

and power over labor.

Let's uninvent it --

Do we really believe that the native Americans sold Manhattan Island for $24???

Would you?
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cstanleytech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-10 04:56 PM
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45. Well that was nicely written however........
in this world almost about everything has a $ price one way or another unless something unexpected suddenly occurs in my lifetime that totally changes that which I just do not see happening.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-10 11:13 PM
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47. Glad you appreciate my typing skills . . . however,
YOU have to cooperate in having your time, your life, your loved ones and all of

nature valued according to a dollar bill.

For instance, what's the loss of the planet worth, in your estimation?

'Cause Global Warming is certainly brining us to a point where humans will be unable

to survive here.

Is food worth what you pay for it, or something more in its ability to keep you alive?

Plant a dollar bill, eat it, drink it -- then tell us what it's actually worth to you.

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time_has_come Donating Member (872 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 09:28 PM
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5. I didn't suggest he doesn't care about his state. Still...
Edited on Tue Jun-01-10 09:31 PM by time_has_come
...what is he complaining about? "Who is paying for this??"

THAT is a political move.

People are multi-faceted. They can care about things and act on those things...and also be partisan at the same time.

EDIT: Look at what he's saying...why aren't the FEDS forcing BP to pay for these things? Why doesn't he just send them a bill? Because it's more politically advantageous to suggest Obama is dropping a ball.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 09:59 PM
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17. That's how the approval process works
First the need has to be approved
Then the funding has to be approved

The need for six has been approved
But the funding for only one has been approved

According to this:
http://www.nola.com/news/gulf-oil-spill/index.ssf/2010/06/coast_guards_thad_allen_could.html

Last week, the federal government approved one two-mile-long berm to be built at the oil giant's expense to test the containment strategy. But Gov. Bobby Jindal, who had proposed 24 berms totaling 128 miles, said the single berm was woefully inadequate.

After discussing the proposed berms with environmental experts as well as local and state officials Tuesday afternoon, Allen said he planned to make a recommendation to Obama within 24 hours about whether to require BP to build five more berms totaling about 40 miles that were granted emergency permits by the Army Corps of Engineers last week.




Army Corps give approval for need, WH gives approval for funding
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DatManFromNawlins Donating Member (640 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 11:01 PM
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21. The berms are pointless
Especially heading into the summer where storms will be creeping around the Gulf. One nice sized tropical system will completely destroy them.

Kinda about as much common sense as placing booms out to soak up and corral oil, then using dispersant so that the oil goes underneath the booms.
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-10 09:07 AM
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30. The reason dispersants are used is to increase surface area of oil droplets.
Edited on Wed Jun-02-10 09:10 AM by Psephos
Oil "loves" itself, and in water, it beads up into spheres with a small surface area to volume ratio. By breaking up these spheres, a dispersant increases that ratio. More surface-to-surface contact with seawater means faster biodegradation of oil by bacteria, which is the only long-term solution to this catastrophe. It also means less oil pooled on the surface, where wave action can carry it ashore. No amount of booms will protect the Gulf Coast from an encroaching super-slick.

Recall that oil is a natural substance, and is a meal for oil-eating micro-organisms. Large amounts of oil have seeped into the ocean naturally for millions of years, and there is an ecosystem specialized to exploit it.

I'm not supporting or condemning dispersant use in this spill. Large-scale use of dispersants involves trading one set of problems for another. There are a lot of neutral parties modeling this right now.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-10 01:33 PM
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41. Certainly the Exxon Spill and BP's spill don't amount to anything "natural" . . .
what happens naturally does not destroy animal life and coast lines and communities!!

There should be no further off-shore recovery of oil until we assess the overall damage

done to nature by the spills we've already had -- and the permanent costs of this loss

of nature -- not based on the yardstick of a dollar bill -- but the true worth of nature

to humans.

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O is 44 Donating Member (740 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 09:28 PM
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6. Whatever, all he does is whine I could care less what
he thinks about Obama. He's so anti government now he's screaming for the Feds makes me sick. He should shut up and go out there and do what needs to be done instead of waiting for the Feds, Mr. States rights
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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 09:49 PM
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13. BP Needs To Give Him A Sizable Campaign Donation - That'll Shut Him Up......nt
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 10:00 PM
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18. No, it would destroy him.
As it will any politician touching a radioactive dime of BP's money.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 09:58 PM
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15. He did it to himself
I have sympathy for the citizens not Jindel. He jumped on the bandwagon of being anti-government and now he wants help.

Don't get me wrong the government should be seizing BP assets now because BP dropped half of it's value today and we need to get every penny we can.
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TomCADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 11:07 PM
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23. Of Course, Jindal Could Just Have His AG Sue BP? Just a Thought
I thought Jindal wanted the federal government to keep out of regulating LA's natural resources. Now, he wants the federal government to carry his water? Plus, Jindal should be an expert since he sponsored the bills lifting the moratorium on offshore oil drilling in the first place.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-10 10:12 AM
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32. when did he first start complaining?
Edited on Wed Jun-02-10 10:13 AM by Javaman
when it first happened or when a better political opportunity presented itself?

He hated the feds, now he wants there help. Much like the bail out money that he tried to pass off using over sized checks with his name on them.

They are all actors in the political kabuki show.
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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 10:10 PM
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19. How quickly can these berms be constructed? Days, weeks, months?
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ColesCountyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-10 07:06 AM
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27. If you have the proper equipment, pretty quickly. n/t
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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 09:11 PM
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2. aren't berms going to damage the WETLANDS as much as any oil?
don't they need the water?
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bc3000 Donating Member (766 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 09:31 PM
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7. Not as much, but it's doubtful they'd help at all either. Jindal is full of it.
He just wants a "look I did something" moment.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-10 02:24 PM
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42. Grandstanding. CNN is already trying to float this turd as "presidential".
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-10 04:17 PM
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44. I think it is worth a try
Every day the nesting and migrating birds have is one more that might help save some. Chicks that are almost ready to leave the nest etc. We may luck out and not have a big storm for a month or so. I say do it and do it now.
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blue97keet Donating Member (390 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 09:35 PM
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8. Why is BP in charge of shoreline protection and cleanup at all?
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 09:43 PM
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10. Banksters were in charge of the country's financial disaster which the banksters caused

BP is in charge of the country's oil environmental disaster which BP caused.


Seems that's how this country operates now.


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Kringle Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-10 04:27 AM
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26. because Obama wants to minimize federal involvement. nt
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ColesCountyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 09:41 PM
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9. Why haven't you spent the other $22 million Washington already sent you, asshole? n/t
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FailureToCommunicate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 09:46 PM
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11. Hey Bobby, make a berm of all the busses Mayor Nagin never used to save NOLA
Edited on Tue Jun-01-10 09:47 PM by FailureToCommunicate
"Why did't he send the busses?"
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 09:49 PM
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12. Jindal is
Edited on Tue Jun-01-10 09:49 PM by ProSense
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-10 10:14 AM
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33. He's just being himself: a political opportunist. nt
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 09:57 PM
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14. If he goes after a big company he is trying to take over private business but
if he doesn't take over a business he is wrong also. Isn't it a shame that no matter what the hell he does it doesn't satisfy the republicans. Bush started a war and they kept their yaps shut.
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CLANG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 10:31 PM
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20. Jindal is a major league asshole... Big-time!!
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proust78 Donating Member (54 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 11:04 PM
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22. I guess it's not just Dems who "place their hope in the Federal government"
I thought this was the big sin you warned us about in your Republican response Mr. Jindal? Why are you begging for government assistance now, I thought the spirit of the people could do it all?
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 11:11 PM
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24. but...but..private enterprise does EVERYTHING BETTER THAN BIG GUBMINT!
ISN'T THAT THE CRAP IDIOTS LIKE JINDAL USED TO CREATE A SYSTEM WHERE THESE OIL COMPANIES WRITE THE LEGISLATION, POLICE THEMSELVES AND DO THE CLEANUP???

FUCK HIM! SERIOUSLY!
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-10 07:26 AM
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28. Sorry, Piyish. This week they make BP pay, next week they're goose-stepping
through NOLA. Can't start on that slippery slope of SOCIALISM
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Joe Bacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-10 07:43 AM
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29. But, Booby, where is your faith in the free market?
Booby, you mean all your prayers to je$u$ and his INVISIBLE HAND of the FREE MARKET ain't working??????

C'mon Booby, order a Day of Prayer and make all the ¢hri$tian$ in your state pray to the their one TRUE GOD--AYN RAND!
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burnsei sensei Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-10 09:10 AM
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31. Well, Bobby . . .
if the government is too active, then your dogs will howl about socialism.
And if the government isn't active enough, your dogs will howl about neglect.
Either way, your dogs will howl before they think.
And if the government is too sensitive to your dogs, we can rest assured that no meaningful decisions or policy directions will be taken.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-10 10:16 AM
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35. Exactly right.
he had no problem taking the governments bail out money privately, after complaining about it publicly.

I loved the over sized checks with his name on them.

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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-10 10:15 AM
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34. He's totally correct. n/t
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panzerfaust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-10 11:05 AM
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36. Gee Bobby - I thought Government Help Was BAD
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-10 11:48 AM
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37. BP will have to be forced to pay for everything past what they believe is enough to promote their PR
I'm wondering what Obama is doing, myself.
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-10 01:03 PM
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38. That's a good, brief description of how it will come down. n/t
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-10 01:09 PM
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39. If you have to ask, they aren't gonna tell you
That Jindal is so naive!
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MellowDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-10 02:26 PM
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43. Why hasn't the Republican Party...
renounced Jindal? After all, he's demanding that the government make a company do something.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-10 05:07 PM
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46. Why not build the first berm, see if it actually does anything and then build the rest
once funding is available? I mean, that might actually get something done instead of the endless whining on tv. Nope, instead he just acts like an ass. Meanwhile, hehas 20 something million sitting there and he has done nothing with it. That money was from BP by the way. Also Bobby, when you put down govt., when you bad name it, when you and your buddies help ruin it and make it a mess, and then you turn around and want it to work perfectly, you need to do some soul searching there. I feel for the people of LA. I wouldn't give this piece of a scum credit for anything.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-10 02:50 AM
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48. I thought Jindal wanted more deep sea oil drilling
Can't this guy make up his mind?
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