Obama to Arizona Governor: Don't Call Me, I'll Call You

[Ed Barrow]

Source: Fox News

President Obama has turned down Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer's request to meet while she's in Washington next week as tensions mount between his administration and Arizona over the state's new law cracking down on illegal immigrants.

Brewer will be in Washington to meet with other governors. She said Friday that she had asked to meet with Obama and Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano to discuss border security and immigration. But Obama's schedule "doesn't allow for a meeting" with her, White House spokesman Adam Abrams said, adding that the president "does intend to sit down with the governor in the future."

...

The apparent snub comes after Justice Department officials told Arizona's attorney general and aides to the governor Friday that the federal government has serious reservations about the state's new immigration law. They responded that a lawsuit against the state isn't the answer.

...

The strong message that the Justice Department representatives delivered at the private meetings -- first with Goddard, then with Brewer's staff -- left little doubt that the Obama administration is prepared to go to court if necessary in a bid to block the new law, which takes effect July 29.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/05/29/obama-arizona-governor-dont-ill/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+foxnews%2Fpolitics+%28Text+-+Politics%29

[Hawkeye-X]

1. Faux is not a credible source

and moreover, find me an independent confirmation of that.

[time_has_come]

59. It's a straight journalism piece. What part do you find non-credible?

[bitchkitty]

61. This part - Source: Fox News n/t

[time_has_come]

62. It's not written by Brit Hume or Glen Beck. It's journalism

and pretty good journalism too. Everything is attributed and most of the pertinent questions a reader might have are addressed.

Fox is shit, I agree, but they quite obviously do have one or two real journalists on staff doing credible work, which is what this is.

[Name removed]

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[time_has_come]

68. Very mature. So then, what exactly in this news piece is biased? No? Thought so

go back to rolling on the floor.

This is journalism. How much they borrowed from AP is unclear, but the "with files..." acknowledgment at the bottom indicates it's not all AP.

[Doctor_J]

69. Where is the "bias" in each individual raving from King Glenn or

insHannity? Where is the bias in the daily tripe from WSj or the Moonie Times? Let me write more slowly so maybe you can follow: Everything that comes from Fox "News" is signed off by Roger Ailes, one of America's most dangerous enemies. Whether they cite American Pravda or just make things up themselves, the purpose is to discredit the president and promote the fascist agenda of the current Repukes. I am sure all of King Glenn's books are full of footnotes. That doesn't make them "good journalism".

See if you can get this post removed.

[time_has_come]

70. I don't think you're clear on what I've argued or said in this thread

start from the top. Have I been calling Beck or Hannity journalists? No. Am I disputing the rightwing nature of Fox? No.

I stated that the piece linked to in the OP is journalism. Straight journalism, and pretty good at that.

Argue that if you choose, but spare me the rest.

[davidinalameda]

72. if you have issues with a news source

hit alert

let the mods decide

[izquierdista]

2. A year and a half later...

...and he's beginning to figure out who is wasting his time.

[benld74]

3. MEDIA HOGGIN WITCH,,,

[dballance]

4. All I can say is FAUX HER!

Obama has already yielded to the right wing-nut fringe by sending troops to her border. Where are the statistics on how big a problem she really has? I bet they won't show the problem she says exists. But reality doesn't matter to rethuglicans. So go fuck off Brewer. You might also want to stay out of the sun some more. You look like hell.

[harkadog]

7. Phoenix is the number 2 kidnapping capital of the world

Behind Mexico city. But sitting in your Portland coffee shop statistics like that may not matter to you. http://www.drugaddictiontreatment.com/addiction-news/drug-crimes/phoenix-number-two-kidnapping-capital-as-drug-cartel-wars-intensify/

[pinboy3niner]

10. It would make a lot more sense for AZ cops to spend their time...

investigating crimes and apprehending criminals, rather than spending it checking papers.

[harkadog]

11. It is the illegals doing the kidnapping

But you don't get that do you.

[pinboy3niner]

14. And checking papers of U.S. citizens, legal residents, and undocumented...

...nannies, cooks, gardeners and day laborers is going to help solve kidnappings HOW?

And, from what I understand, the kidnapping numbers in Phoenix are misleading--if a human smuggler holds 20 people to get more money from their families, that's 20 kidnappings.

It's funny how so many supporters of the anti-immigrant law are suddenly so concerned about undocumented Mexican crime victims in Phoenix.

[harkadog]

15. You are giving out false information

Common among opponents of the law. They don't have facts so they just make up things and then rail against them. Police will not be checking papers of "nannies, cooks, gardeners and day laborers" unless they break the law and are there is reasonable suspicion they are in the country illegally (which is the same exact standard federal immigration uses). You seem dismissive of the kidnapping numbers -- of course it is just illegals so who cares if it is one or twenty.

I don't know how long you have been around but people have been very concerned about illegals crimes in Phoenix for many, many years now.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

18. are you white?

If you're white, like I am, maybe it's time to realize that you're not very goddamned native to that part of the country and get off your high horse about "illegals". I do, however, continue to believe that you have the very best in unpainted furniture in all of the desert southwest.

[harkadog]

20. So if we are "white" we have to give up the rule of law and borders?

You can take that libertarian crap and shove it. Should we have open borders and anyone can just come in? It that your theory?

[DisgustipatedinCA]

23. actually, I couldn't have said it better than Jillan has, below

Jillan said:

"We do have problems in our state with illegals BUT SB 1070 is not the right answer. Comprehensive Immigration Reform is. Just because something needs to be done doesn't mean we support this law."

I only addressed you in particular because it sounds like you have no use for immigrants. I wanted to remind you that if your skin is white, you're not native to that part of the country, and you should consider treading a little more lightly on the land in which you are a guest.

Libertarian? Your powers of perception are....well, they're kind of underwhelming.

[sasquuatch55]

27. "Wherever the European has trod, death seems to pursue the aboriginal" Charles Darwin

Who was here first?

[joeglow3]

77. Did you lose your job to an illegal?

My father, a drywaller, saw dozens of his friends get squeezed out by illegal immigrants, only to go on and lose their jobs, livelihoods and, in many cases, their homes. However, it is easy for some of us who only benefit from the lower prices of fruit to tell other working class Americans they need to sacrifice everything they have.

[ProudDad]

79. NOONE "Loses a job"

Your jobs are taken away by your capitalist slave masters...

Blame your capitalist masters, not the fellow working folk they've replaced you with!

[joeglow3]

95. I blame both.

Illegal immigrants come and work the jobs knowing it is illegal. They are not mindless robots who come up here.

[MadMaddie]

87. I am sorry about your father but the reality is if Corporations

were not so damn cheap they would continue to hire American workers. We need to go after the corporations to stop providing the environment for those to come here illegally.

That will allow more Americans to get jobs and reduce the number of individuals coming here.

[pinboy3niner]

98. +100 Despite the laws, American businesses are KNOWINGLY inducing...

Mexicans to cross the border for the jobs being offered them.

Misplacing blame on the poor workers who are trying to make a living and support their families takes the onus off the REAL culprits, who are laughing all the way to the bank.

[ZombieHorde]

94. Are US citizens more worthy of income than Mexican citizens?

I don't think so, but I don't blame those who have lost their jobs for their frustration.

I am not so sure I would think clearly if I lost my income and was scared of loosing my home.

[joeglow3]

96. Do you feel the same way when jobs are shifted overseas?

After all, does an American deserve a job over an Indian? This is the dichotomy I have never understood. Many people seem to support but not the other. They are essentially the same thing (and I oppose both).

[ZombieHorde]

97. I do feel the same when jobs are sent overseas. Most adults need jobs.

I don't want to be financially insecure, but neither does anyone else.

[boppers]

25. "Unless they break the law"? Seriously? You'll fall for that?

The architects of this law suggested using local nuisance ordinances as a back door into persecuting people: If your grass is too long, if you have parked your car a few inches too far from the curb, if you have three dogs in a area which requires breeder licenses for more than two, etc. Breaking the law? More like "use any excuse you can muster up".

Add to that silliness that there's absolutely NO way for your average police officer to determine if there is "reasonable suspicion" that an Arizonan is in the country illegally. None. The ONLY criteria for determining such a suspicion can only be founded in racist stereotypes.... but I'm willing to play: what would you call reasonable suspicion, and how is it not blatantly racist?

[harkadog]

28. Reasonable suspicion is the standard the federal immigrant police use

If they have been able to figure out how to use that standard what makes you thing state and local authorities can't? In fact they will just copy the federal factors and guidelines on it. So go after the INS if you don't like reasonable suspicion. But you won't do that, I know.

[boppers]

31. State and local authorities don't have access to birth records, tax records, employment records.

They can get it, but beat cops running identity checks is a huge waste of time, and money, and they'd need a reason to do so.

So, again, what's the "reason"?

[harkadog]

32. Those are not the reasonable suspicion standards the federal government uses

When the immigration authorities are questioning someone they don't have access to all of those type of records either.

[pinboy3niner]

29. No, what's false is to suggest only lawbreakers will be targeted

Of course, "lawbreakers" includes speeders, jaywalkers, illegal-left-turners, and anyone unlucky enough to be caught with a taillight out, so it's a pretty broad category to begin with.

In addition, supporters of the law inserted a provision in the amendments bill to apply the law not only to "lawbreakers" in stop, detention or arrest situations. This provision applies the law also to the enforcement of any town, city or county law or ordinance. That includes police coming to your door because your neighbor complained about barking dogs, loud music, overgrown yard, etc.

The problem with the kidnapping issue is that proponents of the law used it create fear by giving the impression that your wife or daughter could be grabbed off the street, in the same way that they claimed border crime is increasing, when, in fact, it is decreasing and the Obama administration had already more than doubled border enforcement. In fact, cops in border towns have reported that border security has never been higher than it is now. And it's not just border towns--crime is down statewide.

The real problems associated with illegal immigration won't be resolved by targeting Hispanics who lack papers. Nothing will get solved until comprehensive immigration reform is enacted by Congress.

[harkadog]

43. Comphrensive immigration reform will never be enacted by Congress.

The only solution is at the state level.

[sweetloukillbot]

33. How is the law going to slow the human and drug trafficking?

I don't think it's day laborers who are doing either of those things. They are both already crimes, so how does this law help? Or are you automatically assuming anyone who is illegal is also a human trafficker or drug smuggler?

[harkadog]

44. When the borders are not secure all categories of illegals flow in.

The day laborers and the criminals. To stop the criminals immigration laws must be enforced. The Democratic party has always rejected any open borders approach.

[pinboy3niner]

50. So, which IS it you're concerned about--crime, or "illegals coming in"?

If it's CRIME, checking papers and deporting people--and *hoping* criminals may turn up in the roundup is a pretty poor way to go about it.

Even the source YOU cite on Phoenix kidnappings indicates police are having success by focusing on crime and criminals, NOT on undocumented immigrants:

According to Phoenix Mayor Phil Gordon, violent crime is down 18 percent through November 2009 vs. the same period in 2008. Phoenix Public Safety Manager Jack Harris attributes the decrease to arresting repeat offenders, saying “targeting the most serious offenders has had significant results…particularly in dismantling organized crime syndicates, gangs and drug dealers.”

http://www.drugaddictiontreatment.com/addiction-news/drug-crimes/phoenix-number-two-kidnapping-capital-as-drug-cartel-wars-intensify/


Are you really advocating that Phoenix police should drop their proven enforcement approach and adopt your approach of targeting "illegals"?

[sweetloukillbot]

54. But the law does nothing to secure the border.

All it does is tie up police resources which could be out catching the criminal element rounding up day laborers and suspected illegal immigrants.

This is an aside, but what do we do with the coyotes and drug traffickers when we catch them? Do they go to our prison system, or do we deport them because they're illegal immigrants? If we deport them, that seems like a piss-poor way to deal with the problem...

Napolitano said it best several years ago when she said something to the effect of "Show me a 20 foot fence and I'll show you a 21 foot ladder."

Immigration enforcement always focuses on rounding up illegals, rather than looking at the hospitality and construction industries in the states, the prime moneymakers in our economy that were built on the backs of cheap illegal labor.

[conservdem]

74. Good point.

[EFerrari]

38. Actually, you get the door prize for misinformation on this thread.

The intent of the law was clear in the first draft as passed: this is a law that racially profiles brown people. No matter how these rednecks patched it up, the message has been sent.

And, it's too bad that all your "concerned" friends in Phoenix manage to overlook the fact that crime is at a record low according to the Justice Department. That's probably why Obama only sent a cheerleading squad out to the boarder, because he knows you are full of it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=538923

[harkadog]

45. And you said you were ignoring me.

We see what your word means.

[EFerrari]

48. Good call.

[jillan]

17. harkadog is right. We do have problems in our state with illegals BUT SB 1070 is not the right

answer. Comprehensive Immigration Reform is.

Just because something needs to be done doesn't mean we support this law.

[EFerrari]

37. No, harkadog is not right. He's conflating drug violence with

undocumented working people. They're two completely different problems.

And the main problem Arizona has right now is that those workers have been LEAVING for the last five years which impacts your economy and your tax base. You have nearly 10% unemployment and just about top the nation in foreclosures. Chasing these tax dollars out of the state is going to bite Arizona and at a very bad time.

[riderinthestorm]

35. Link please to that assertion. nt

[harkadog]

46. I posted it in #7

http://www.drugaddictiontreatment.com/addiction-news/drug-crimes/phoenix-number-two-kidnapping-capital-as-drug-cartel-wars-intensify/

[riderinthestorm]

58. This is illegal activity and that's what needs to be targeted.

If the Mexicans who are the current perpetrators are removed, the crimes would shift to other population groups.

Unless you are also implying that drug crimes are linked specifically to Mexicans....

The police need to focus on the criminal activity period. The immigration issues are not the big problem in your citation especially as the kidnappings are being perpetuated in and amongst themselves! Your spin is disgusting.

[harkadog]

66. Maybe we should get you here as police chief

Then you can show them how to "focus on criminal activity period". Do you favor open borders?

[bitchkitty]

56. Bullshit - tell the whole truth.

You leave out an important point. It's as if you want us to think that illegal aliens are kidnapping innocent Americans and holding them for ransom, but your link says the opposite - that both kidnapper AND victim are usually illegals connected to the drug trade. The WHOLE truth.

But you don't get that do you.

[boppers]

19. *I* can be smug in my Portland coffee shop...

...because I spent the first 30 years of my life growing up in the Tucson area, and happen to actually know the difference between random for-profit kidnapping, and a Coyote extorting customers, or a mule being ransomed over delivering a light load.

There's actually a pretty good way to figure out who is, and isn't, a native Arizonan: ask them about immigration.

The out-of-state folks, *especially* in growing places like Phoenix, tend to be freaked out about the dual (and multiple) nationality of Arizonan culture. They tend to see the problem as "other cultures", and the solution as "stopping (illegal?) immigration".

The natives who have Carne Seca (Machaca) and monsoon mud pumping through their veins have a completely different perspective, because they grew up speaking a mix of spanish, english, Dineh, (etc.) and grew up going to school and church with immigrant families, and have been comfortable with multiculturalism before there was even a word for it. They tend to see the problem as "stopping criminal profiteering over border traffic".

[harkadog]

21. LOL so you fled to the NW to get away from the problem!

That is one way of handling it I guess.

[boppers]

26. I fled the heat and sunlight to get to rain and clouds all year around.

I try to get back every so often for the food, the culture, the vast beauty (and sheer lethality) of the desert, but I happen to love rain like only an Arizonan could... though I miss the thunder, we don't get it much here.

[pinboy3niner]

34. Arizona seems to have changed a lot over the years

My (both late) grandmother and uncle lived in Tucson, and a brother lived in Kingman for a few years. There's always been some level of intolerance, but never like now.

I was struck by something in a newspaper story yesterday about schools expecting to lose students as Hispanic families leave the state because of the new law:


Schools: Immigrant families leaving Arizona because of new immigration law


by Pat Kossan - May. 28, 2010 12:00 AM
The Arizona Republic

Reports are surfacing around the Valley that illegal-immigrant families with school-age children are fleeing Arizona because of a new immigration law.
<snip>

Teachers and principals at Alhambra elementary schools in west Phoenix, for example, are saying goodbye to core volunteer parents, who tell them that the new migration law threatens their family stability and that they must leave. The district expects the new law to drive out an extra 200 to 300 students over the summer.
<snip>

For every net decline of one student, a school loses an average of $4,404 in state money. The total amount of funding for the 170,000 children of immigrants is about $749 million, or 16 percent, of the state's education budget.
<snip>

Suriano's husband has been in New Mexico for two weeks, looking for an apartment and a job. She is packing up their Phoenix apartment. "He tells me over in New Mexico, it is like here when we first came: There is no fear and they treat you like human beings."

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/2010/05/28/20100528arizona-immigration-law-schools.html

[boppers]

52. Phoenix. That's what's been going on.

Phoenix has seen massive, sprawling, growth, flooded by non-desert people who want to turn Arizona into some midwest strip-mall kind of city. They're bringing a culture of golf courses, swimming pools, air conditioning, and "speak english!" to a desert state that's been multi-lingual, and a modern hub of spanish-mexican-american-native culture, for over 12,000 years (not a typo).

Hopefully the same fate of hatred and intolerance won't befall New Mexico.

[msanthrope]

92. You pegged exactly what I despised about Phoenix---

Mile after mile of strip mall, followed by a gated community that had a shining green golf course, followed by another strip mall, then another gated community....

The people there all bemoaned the 'problem', as they paid their cooks, cleaners, nannies, gardeners....


But the rest of Arizona was breathtaking....

[ProudDad]

85. Irrelevant ad-hominem attacks demonstrate your ignorance (n/t)

[Jefferson23]

22. You support this law in Arizona?

snip* In Phoenix, police spokesman Trent Crump said, "Despite all the hype, in every single reportable crime category, we're significantly down." Mr. Crump said Phoenix's most recent data for 2010 indicated still lower crime. For the first quarter of 2010, violent crime was down 17% overall in the city, while homicides were down 38% and robberies 27%, compared with the same period in 2009.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB20001424052748704113504575264432463469618.html

[emilyg]

30. It matters to me. I have

family there.

[EFerrari]

36. Kidnapping is linked to drug cartels not undocumented workers

but thank you for representing Lou Dobb's viewpoint for DU.

[harkadog]

41. Ahhh nice try but fail

The drug cartels are illegals. They are from Mexico.

[EFerrari]

47. Yes, that's exactly what Lou says. Well done.

[harkadog]

49. Your logic fails.

Hitler liked dogs. Does that mean we have to hate them? Try and again and maybe even try something different by answering it.

[bitchkitty]

57. YOUR logic fails.

Because some illegals are connected to the drug cartel, all illegals are connected - that's your logic.

How about this? Since Ted Bundy was a white male, indeed since practically all serial killers are white males, then all white males must be stopped!

We could send them all to Arizona. Y'all will have plenty of room after you deport all the brown people.

[harkadog]

65. Never said all illegals were tied to the drug trade.

Show me that post. Fail. But they are all violated the law. Do you advocate open borders?

[sweetloukillbot]

71. Why do you keep mentioning open borders?

There's nothing in SB1070 that addresses border security and I certainly don't see Photo-Op Arpaio down on the border with his tank guarding the smuggling routes. It's easier for him to just sweep through Guadalupe and Avondale, grab a hundred Latinos and hope to hit the jackpot.

[ProudDad]

86. Yes... (n/t)

[pinboy3niner]

39. The law isn't about crime, it's about forcing out one group

Immigrants commit fewer crimes than native-born Americans, so targeting them is not effective in reducing crime.

The law's intent is stated clearly in its text:

Section 1. Intent

The legislature finds that there is a compelling interest in the cooperative enforcement of federal immigration laws throughout all of Arizona. The legislature declares that the intent of this act is to make attrition through enforcement the public policy of all state and local government agencies in Arizona. The provisions of this act are intended to work together to discourage and deter the unlawful entry and presence of aliens and economic activity by persons unlawfully present in the United States.

[harkadog]

42. Yes and illegal immigrants should be forced out.

Unless you believe in open borders which is not a principle of the Democratic party. The Libertarians would welcome you.

[pinboy3niner]

73. THERE YOU GO AGAIN

What's with the open borders crap, and making assumptions that impute to others something which was never raised? Your replies are NOT responsive to the posts, and you keep raising open borders as a diversion from the discussion. You have yet to provide a logical explanation for your obsession with undocumented immigrants.

[anigbrowl]

76. let's put them in cattle cars

If it proves too difficult to relocate 11 men, women, and children we can just gas them or something.

Seriously, you make my skin crawl.

[ProudDad]

78. Self-Delete

I added a better response below... #84

[ProudDad]

81. Thankfully, this stupid law will have a similar effect to California's Prop 187

As an unintended consequence...

This law has already inserted a little modicum of spine into the Arizona Democrat Party...

Has mobilized my brothers and sisters into ramping up voter registration drives among the oppressed "minority" (soon to be majority) in Arizona...

Has exposed the racist, fascist, right-wing Arizona no-neck Legislature for the clueless f*ckups they are...

Helped bring about the end of Jan Brewer...

And exposed superficial idiots like you to the light of day...

[ProudDad]

84. Correct...

300 kidnappings in a city of 1,600,000 qualifies Phoenix as number 2...(on 2009)

"An L.A. Times story in February 2009 quoted Phoenix police saying that most every victim and suspect is connected to the drug smuggling world, usually tracing back to the Mexican state of Sinaloa. Phoenix police say many come from the Sinaloan towns of Guasave, Leyva, and Los Mochis."

So end the phony "war on drugs" and develop a reasonable immigration and economic policy with our neighbor to the south instead of exploiting the shit out of them -- problem solved...

But you're nuts if you think that this stupid law will have any effect other than to make things worse (and more expensive in a state that's already dead broke - financially, morally and spiritually bankrupt).

(And I'm not sitting in a "Portland coffee shop", I'm sitting just a few blocks from where a local gang of armed idiots terrorized a local soup and sandwich shop here in bat-crap crazy Arizona - because they could

This Arizona place has a LOT of BAT-SHIT CRAZY tromping around in it, and not just in Phoenix, there's some bunch of crazy here in Tucson too...

http://azstarnet.com/business/local/article_03967e08-1d5d-59a6-a702-4c9e84669630.html?mode=story )

[Ian David]

5. He should drop her a note from his blackberry instead of having a meeting. n/t

[Grassy Knoll]

6. More fake news for your fine audience .......

[elleng]

8. Whatever fox and brewer say,

I think its unconstitutional as it directly interferes with role of local law enforcement and U.S. immigration enforcement. (Heard presser of police chiefs ass'n. which had met with Holder.)

[PSzymeczek]

9. It's unconstitutional

because it violates the Fourth and Fourteenth Amendments.

[underpants]

12. In the classic definition this is what scholars refer to as....

PLAYED

Brewer just got played

[Akoto]

13. How is it a "snub"?

The man is the President of the United States. She can't just drop into DC and ask to stop by. He has a schedule to keep and about a billion disasters requiring his attention. Why are things never taken as they're said?

That said, I secretly hope it was a snub. :) No need to lend her the appearance of validity.

[jillan]

16. Help Arizona elect new SANE leadership! I have a link in my sig line that is a great place to start

Thank you!! We want these crazies OUT of Office, and some of us are working hard to do just that.

[Jefferson23]

24. Kudos to Obama! n/t

[Lagomorph]

51. Only if he wants...

...to send a message to the states that they will have to pass laws and take action on their own, without federal support.

[EFerrari]

67. The problem is, that's simply not true.

The ICE is more active than ever and deportations are up dramatically AND this law does nothing to stem immigration. It's just a big publicity stunt by AZ Republicans.

[primavera]

80. ... and by anti-immigrant groups

Don't underestimate the dark side of the force: the Federation for American Immigration Reform's rabidly racist coalition of anti-immigrant organizations have been hard at work in Arizona for decades, publishing false and misleading reports and advertising campaigns funded by right-wing foundations like the Scaife-Mellon Foundation and the nazi Pioneer Fund. All that disinformation works.

[ProudDad]

82. You've got that right!

It's about VOTER SUPPRESSION...

It's now about getting votes in the repuke primary for Jan Brewer...

And it ain't gonna work...

Even the cowardly Arizona Democrats are beginning to show some spine on this one!

[Lagomorph]

88. I'm talking about the message, not the solution...

There's quite a bit of "you're on your own" coming out of D.C. They've been ramping up border security for the last few years but it's impact hasn't really been felt in the areas where they cross the border. I imagine Arizona wants them to stop crossing, rather than just throw them back.

[otohara]

40. No Other News Source Says Prez. Said No

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&tbo=p&rlz=1R1GGGL_en&tbs=nws%3A1&q=governor+jan+brewer&aq=0&aqi=g1&aql=&oq=governor+jan+&gs_rfai=

[No Elephants]

53. Assume he or someone on his behalf did say his schedule that week was full, but he'd meet with her

another time, much as this "story" says.

What on earth would be wrong with that?

Who the hell in his or her right mind expects to get private face time with the POTUS whenever he or she happens to be in D.C? He has, among many other things, two wars and BP to deal with.

Nothing at all is wrong, except that dumbass FOX is calling this a "snub," instead of the reality of life as POTUS.

This is not news. It's media pot-stirring of the worst kind.

[Catshrink]

55. Brewer saw this as a photo op and a chance to boost her campaign.

So she could brag: I told the President (insert tough sounding comment here). Obama isn't going to give her that chance - he recognizes grandstanding.

Our AG, Goddard, is a Dem running against Brewer for the governorship. As AG he must defend this law even though he opposes it. Brewer didn't trust him on this so hired outside lawyers to defend the law - Arizona is cutting health services to the poor and education funding but has money for lawyers to defend its law.

[ProudDad]

83. AS A.G. he has already declared he will NOT be defending this unconstitutional law...

Of course, as a Democrat, he always has the option to flip-flop and "change his mind" if it looks like it'll cost him too many votes...

That's what Democrats do...

[pinboy3niner]

89. Yep--he changed, said he'd defend it, then Brewer removed him from the case

BUT the AG's Office says Brewer can't do that, and they are still on the case:



Arizona governor Brewer removes attorney general from defense of immigration law

by JJ Hensley and Casey Newton - May. 29, 2010 01:03 PM
The Arizona Republic
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<snip>
Brewer issued a statement Friday night saying that her legal team — not Goddard — would defend Arizona in lawsuits challenging the immigration law.

But Saturday, Goddard's office responded that the attorney general would continue to defend the state, despite Brewer's remarks.
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In her statement removing Goddard from the defense, Brewer made reference to a piece of the immigration-enforcement bill that authorized her to hire outside counsel if necessary to defend the law.

Tim Nelson, the chief deputy attorney general, said that provision doesn't take effect until the bill becomes law in late July.


Read more:
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/05/29/20100529arizona-governor-removes-attorney-general-off-immigration-law-defense.html


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[ProudDad]

90. Ah, wierder and wierder...

:hi:

Here's the bunch that's all ready to impose another regressive sales tax on us (while trying to cut the highest income tax and corporate tax brackets) while holding a gun to our heads saying, "pass this regressive tax or we'll gut the school system even further!" --

(Of course, I wonder what's worse than number 50 in the nation???)

raising our sales taxes above San Francisco's level (but, in S.F. you get "services", decent mass transit, living wages for city workers, etc.)...

But they're willing to spend millions defending an unconstitutional law and forcing further millions to be spent by the cash-starved cities to act as faux-ICE agents and to jail any "illegal" they find for 6 months...unfunded mandate...

But, then republicans are not noted for their consistency or compassion, only their hypocrisy...

[jackmccrack]

60. hah

[Doctor_J]

63. Why do we allow posts from Fox "News" in LBN?

Especially from 100-post DUers in the reddest state in the US?

:shrug:

[activa8tr]

75. I think DU has been invaded by Free Republic posters sometimes, and

threads like this one become more and more common.

[ProudDad]

91. Even a broken clock registers the correct time twice a day

On Edit:

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

And where did they get that wonderful picture of the execrable Brewer??? :rofl:

[classysassy]

93. Thank you Mr president

for rejecting jan the hag.

[Bluebear]

99. White House reverses decision, will meet with Brewer tomorrow

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=8473964&mesg_id=8473964