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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 08:33 PM
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(California) Assembly Dems: Let's borrow cash to save welfare
Edited on Tue May-25-10 08:33 PM by alp227
Source: San Francisco Chronicle

(05-25) 17:43 PDT Sacramento - --

Assembly Democrats on Tuesday unveiled a plan to fully fund education and save welfare and government jobs in California by borrowing billions of dollars, just one day after Senate Democrats proposed raising nearly $5 billion in taxes to stave off cuts to the same social programs.

The proposal by Assembly Speaker John Pérez, D-Los Angeles, calls on the state to borrow $8.7 billion in bonds to be repaid over 20 years, plus interest, with a new tax on oil companies that would raise roughly $1 billion a year.

Pérez said his proposal would help the state's economic recovery by giving more money to cities, counties and school districts in the year starting July 1, investing $1 billion in job creation measures and avoiding the deep cuts to California's social safety net that Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has proposed.

The state is facing a $19 billion budget deficit, and Pérez said Tuesday that putting Californians back to work should be Sacramento's number one priority.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/05/25/BA7S1DKCM6.DTL&feed=rss.bayarea



Umm, welfare's a good thing, but not at the cost of a greater state debt! But without welfare, millions of poor Californians would be screwed and eventually screw over others by robbing or assaulting just to get a bite of pizza. So what do we do now besides taxing the wealthy people who'll leave if California raises taxes by half a penny or borrowing invisible money? :shrug:
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 08:40 PM
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1. Will the wealthy really leave CA?
I'm not so sure. Where will they go? There's no other state with weather like CA has.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 08:41 PM
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2. They're going to have repeal and rework prop 13,
Raise taxes on the wealthiest, and borrow in the short term.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 08:55 PM
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3. The wealthy will not leave California.
Even with paying more taxes, they have it good here and aren't about to give it up. That's just hyperbole.
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Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 09:04 PM
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4. The truly wealthy never lived in California
They keep their "residences" elsewhere to avoid state income tax.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 09:09 PM
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5. We borrowed at least a trillion for war in Iraq for no good reason. So whyt not borrow for people?
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 09:18 PM
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6. don't forget tax breaks for rich and all that bailout money....n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 09:30 PM
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7. Nobody can afford to go anywhere right now.n/t
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 09:41 PM
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8. Welfare money is a HUGE stimulus to the economy and provides multiplier effects
that actually create wealth and jobs through the circulation of dollars in local communities.

But my bet is that ideologues won't let that fact stop them from further decimating California's economy.
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laurel46 Donating Member (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 10:02 PM
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9. We have a huge economy, 6th in the world
Edited on Tue May-25-10 10:04 PM by laurel46
so raising taxes on the wealthy will not be that painful for them. It is mostly corporate loopholes, corp welfare, that is the big problem. Prop 13 is good for homeowners but the corps took advantage of this, as well as many more loop holes. A study a year back showed that the property taxes paid were below average because they listed the full tax but didn't put in all the tax breaks, so that is why people think taxes are high. When those republicans are voted out in november, the taxes will be raised and debt can be paid off faster. I say raise them high enough to be paid back for the grief the wealthy and powerful have caused and that could very well happen.

As to moving, no way, the big defense industry, the ports, climate, and tourism are permanently fixed. We actually pay property taxes at just a little above the national average. We can't remove prop 13 for homeowners or a home bought for 350k costs about 5k per year in taxes and seniors who bought at 50k would not be able to afford the tax hikes. prop 13 is greatly misunderstood. There is also the idea of a state bank that would save billions per year and a single payer health plan on the table. I am so mad at the republicans obstructionism I don't understand why they are not jailed for sedition. We have tons of money sitting on the sidelines as does the rest of the country, over a trillion is sitting in accounts according to one of the government accounting offices. The wealthy corps are just sitting on it.

oh, lets not forget oil, natural gas, diatomaceous earth, etc....

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LarryNM Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 10:09 PM
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10. Raising Taxes is the Sensible Thing to Do
But then you could not Drown the Government, which is part of the plan, with exemptions to the MIC of course.
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tranche Donating Member (913 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 10:22 PM
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11. Repeal 13
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 09:20 AM
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16. Not gonna happen.
Forget about it.
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debunkthelies Donating Member (290 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 10:26 PM
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12. CAFRs (Comprehensive Annual Financial Reports)
The Biggest Secret

$60 Trillion Invested By Fed, State, & Local Governments!

6-30-00 Reported - but for all purposes HIDDEN from American taxpayers - Local, State and Federal governments currently hold about 60+ trillion dollars of profitable investments in real estate, pension funds, insurance companies, liquid investment funds, bond financing accounts and corporate stock portfolios (32 Trillion) over 53% of America's stock market, and a large percentage of the international stock market, etc., are all revealed in their required filing of CAFRs (Comprehensive Annual Financial Reports) and noted reports therein.

Walter Burien, who has been blowing the whistle on this gargantuan scam, says, "Americans OWN the majority of America's WEALTH and don't know it." With the profits rolling in from international investments, you now know the true motive behind NAFTA and GATT.

Calling it "risky" to allow taxpayers to invest a tiny 2% of their social security in the stock market is laughable when our governments ALREADY have 32 Trillion dollars invested in the same "risky" domestic and international stock markets!

The Six Trillion plus "estimated surplus" going into the year 2004 announced by Clinton is also laughable compared to the additional trillions of "surplus" earnings being added yearly to government composite CAFRs.

If those hidden assets are revealed and used, the Social Security and Medicare Trust Funds will never run out.

When Orange County lost a little over $1 billion in derivatives investments, they were crying "poverty" and threatening to shut down schools, police would have to be laid off etc. However someone dug into the Orange County CAFR and found out that the county had about $16 billion in profitable investments! The county, from their profitable liquid investment funds / cash position could have continued performing the same services, without collecting one dime in taxes, and could have done so for another 11.9 years from the existing funds prior to running out of money! The crying stopped.

While he was a Mayor, Jesse Ventura's city council wanted to raise $360,000 in taxes to cover a short fall on their "city budget for schools." Ventura objected when he discovered the city owned $48,000,000 in idle investments funds from which the $360,000 could be drawn from without raising taxes!

Burien estimates that the yearly earnings on the composite CAFR investments and venture/enterprise projects are so enormous, ALL taxes in most communities in the United States could be phased out and eliminated in the foreseeable future. For example, Property Taxes... Burien informed me that In Mesa, Arizona, the Mormons running the City government have structured to use their CAFR earnings. On a $230,000. home in Mesa, owners pay only $230. a year, and the city offers the best services to it's residents by operating the majority of city functions from the return from the investment funds. (cities investment fund totals, 1998, 1.7 billion dollars, yielding about $225,000,000.00 which when applied, eliminates the need for forced taxation! This is BASIC 101 application, so why don't we hear about it? I don't think I have to answer that question, the answer is obvious, Control, Greed, Power Mongering, Empire Building for the inside

Players!!! Starting as of September 8, 1998, Walter Burien, a prior Commodities Trading Advisor, has been exposing the CAFR, the BIGGEST FINANCIAL SCANDAL in U.S. HISTORY, going on for over 55 years starting in 1945. Participating in the Comprehensive Annual Financial Report (CAFR) double book accounting strategy which reeks with scandal, are nearly all Federal, State and local governments, earning unreported on the traditional Budget Reports hundreds of billions each year held in separated from the "Budget" slush funds. The CAFRs are mostly controlled by about 40 international investment management companies. For example, in 1998, Burien found:

1. Stock ownership, composite totals...............= to: $32 Trillion +

2. Insurance Company equity participation...... = to: $8 Trillion+

3. Bond surety investment accounts................. = to: $5.5 Trillion+

4. Totals from all liquid investment funds.......... = to: $60 Trillion

The following interview with Walter Burien is from The SPOTLIGHT newspaper of May 8, 2000, published in Washington, D.C. Page 12.... (Following the article below you will find a large number of URLs, with brief summaries, giving additional information about the CAFR scandal.

Secret Government Slush Funds WorthTrillions Of Dollars Not Reported By Major Media For the last two years, The SPOTLIGHT has been reporting on the investigative work of veteran commodities investment advisor Walter Burien (originally of New Jersey, now based in Arizona) after Burien first appeared on Radio Free America, The SPOTLIGHT'S weekly call-in talk forum with host Tom Valentine.

What follows is a transcript of the interview with Burien. Valentine's questions are in boldface. Burien's responses are in regular text. A transcription of your first appearance on Radio Free America was published in The SPOTLIGHT on June 29, 1998. Since that time, you've been heard on other forums all over the country. Some 35 million people across the country have started to catch wind of the reality of the name of the game. There are action groups starting all over the country working to pull the plug on what I call "the boys."

Please summarize what the Comprehensive Annual Financial Report (CAFR) scandal is all about. I'll start off with the No. 1 basic point, that I learned 10 years ago. Up until I learned about the CAFR and the true revenue structure of government, I always thought that government survived only through income from taxes, fines and fees. I thought that 100 percent of government revenue came from these sources.

However, when I started looking at the revenue flow as documented in the CAFRs, I saw that only one-third of the government's revenue comes from taxes, fines and fees. Two thirds of the revenue comes in from the return on the investment funds, enterprise (profit-making) projects which have no tie with the budgetary basis and venture projects which they have established.

The budgetary basis of government operates almost 100 percent from taxes, fines and administrative fees. However, the budgetary basis is simply their annual operating costs. What they fail to include for disclosure to the public are the decades and decades of invest- merit wealth that is building up, such as New Jersey's Garden State Parkway and the Port Authority of New York-New Jersey, which generate billions and billions of dollars not one dollar of which goes back to support the budgetary basis of the state of New Jersey for example.

The bottom line is that the public left the vault door open. If the public gets together and focuses 100 percent and unifies on this issue, taxation can be eliminated in its entirety in most places around the country.

Yet, the public is constantly being asked to pay more new taxes to maintain the operating budgets of their states, counties and cities, not to mention the federal government. There's a lot of money there that people don't know about, and much of it is invested in the stock market.

The truth is that the government IS the stock market. Approximately $32 trillion is invested by government entities in the equities market. If people were to quiz the state of New Jersey, as your example, about all of this money that they have stashed away in investments and other slush funds, wouldn't the state respond by saying, "Well, it's our responsibility to preserve and protect this money for the people's futures."?

If you approached Al Capone and asked him about the billions of dollars he made in his racketeering activities, he would respond, "Well, I have fiscal responsibility to protect that money." Capone also made sure to keep his criminal funds separate from his legitimate businesses. He had two sets of books.. That's what the CAFR scandal is really all about: The fact that governments keep two sets of books and don't tell the taxpayers about it.

Yes, it is a matter of non-disclosure. But now that people are starting to learn about it, are they doing something about it? The thing to remember is that the major media are in 100% partnership with government in regard to non-disclosure of this "two-sets-of books" setup in which trillions of dollars in investments and government-sponsored money-making enterprises continue to make vast profits, even as the taxpayers are being asked to pay more in taxes to maintain the budgetary basis of government which is maintained separately.

People have sent certified letters to local newspapers and news programs asking that conspicuous mention be made of the CAFR This has happened all over the country and in virtually every case there have been refusals except in a few small, privately-owned newspapers.

There are 54,000 different state, county, local government entities, including school districts, public authorities, etc. There are probably less than 200 different firms or money managers who are handling about 95 percent of all of the funds invested by these government entities. There are probably 40 "megabrokers" involved at the top. The managers who are handling thousands of different government operations could network together and use those funds to take over a corporation or industry group. The insurance companies are holding a phenomenal amount of government investments.

A lot of people hearing this for the first time might be inclined to say "Oh, this can't be true," (particularly if they haven't investigated for themselves). But many people have heard about the infamous bankruptcy of Orange County, Calif. What they haven't heard is the truth about that bankruptcy. Please tell us about it.

Well, Orange County lost a little over $1 billion in derivatives investments and they were crying "poverty" and threatening to shut down schools, and that the police would have to be laid off etc. However someone dug into the Orange County CAFR and found out that the county had about $16 billion in profitable investments.

Anthony Hargis, an economist from California, has looked at the CAFRs' cash position and liquid investment assets, and he had determined how long a government can operate without plucking one dollar from taxes, fines or fees and still perform the exact same services from their existing cash position.

At the time Orange County was crying poverty, Hargis determined that they could have gone on for another 11.9 years without collecting one dime in taxes and still be be able to perform the same services before they ran out of money.

Most government officials, when confronted, play the "mute" routine and say they haven't heard about the CAFR or the questions that are being raised, or they say, "Well, I'LL look into it."

The bottom line is that the game for the last 35 years was not disclosing this principle of governmental operation. The CAFR was created by a group called the Government Financial Officers Association (GFOA) in 1940. The city of New York was one of the first large entities to compile a CAFR, roughly in 1951. In 1981 the federal government mandated that all local governments have to prepare a CAFR or, in the alternative, a Combined Financial Statement. Both June 30 & end of the year.

The federal government was having a hard time tracking down the revenues from local governments because there were a lot of games being played. So they consolidated things into a standard reporting basis. Since we started exposing the CAFR two years ago, the GFOA has changed the policy on the CAFR for the combined financial section. Prior to 1999, the government entities had to report all of their revenues on the combined financial column. They've now changed it to where the government body has to report all revenue necessary to meet obligations.

What it comes down to is that you have an interlocking syndicate of "the boys" who are controlling all this wealth. The more wealth they control, the more powerful they feel.

Is there something we can do about all this?

There is corrective action that can be taken. If the public gets together and focuses 100 percent and unifies on this issue, taxation can be eliminated in its entirety in most places around the country. In fact, a situation can be created where, with prudent management in government citizens could actually start receiving dividend checks from their respective governments.

I hear the words "conspiracy" used in reference to this and people refer to these hidden funds as being "stolen," but really the fact is that the public simply left the vault door open. However, most people would still say, "Huh? What vault?" Picture what would happen in your hometown if the local bank left the vault door open and all the cash out and the front door to the bank open.

If a thousand people walked by, some people would try to close the door to the bank. A lot of people would call the bank and tell them that they had left their door open and the cash unguarded.

All it would take would be for five individuals out of the 1,000 walking by to say, "Well, everyone is talking about the door being open. Let's just go in and grab the money and run." The public has allowed that five out of 1,000 to step in and take over.

Valiant Patriot Just Won't Give Up
Walter Burien has documented beyond question that thousands of billions of dollars are in state, local and federal government investment slush funds that have been kept secret from the taxpayers, even as taxes are being hiked and citizens are being told to expect less in government services. Burien determined and has proven that all of the evidence of such funds can be found in official government reports, known as the Comprehensive Annual Financial Reports (CAFRs).

Stimulated by Burien's revelations, citizens across the country have begun to procure and inspect their own respective state, county, city and school district CAFRs for themselves and are discovering vast amounts of money that the taxpayers in those communities have never been told about by their elected government officials. Thus far no one anywhere has been able to refute Burien's allegations and, at the same time, public officials and the mainstream media have almost unanimously refused to address the issue when challenged. Previous SPOTLIGHT reports on Burien's work have appeared on June 29, 1998, Aug. 17, 1998, July 26, 1999 and Nov. 8, 1999. A packet of photocopies of all of the previous articles on Burien's CAFR investigation can be ordered from The SPOTLIGHT for $10 by writing:

The SPOTLIGHT,300 Independence Ave., SE, Washington , D.C. 20003. Burien returned to RFA on March 26 and provided Valentine with an update on his activities and announced the availability of a new videotape which summarizes the CAFR scandal.. The video tape is available for $14 from CEVI, P.O. Box 11444, Prescott, Ariz. 86304.

Burien has released all rights to the video and is encouraging people to reproduce the video at their own expense. Burien may be reached by email at cafr1@aol.com

(Following are URLs with additional information on the CAFR scandal)...Biggest Financial Scandal (CAFR) in US History Revealed on TV... 1-6-2000 News Release from Walter Burien carried on Jeff Rense's SIGHTINGS website Dayton, Ohio DATV aired expose Jan. 12, 21, and 28. Program will also air Cincinanati and Columbus, Ohio. "THE BIGGEST GAME IN TOWN." "Americans OWN the majority of America's WEALTH and don't know it."

This URL for complete report:

http://www.sightings.com/politics6/scandal.htm
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Iliyah Donating Member (828 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-10 11:17 PM
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13. It probably
won't solve all the problems in Cali but it would help if the rich pay their share of the taxes.
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bossy22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 09:09 AM
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14. its never a good idea to use debt to pay for operating expenses
borrowing money to build roads, schools, bridges, housing...thats all fine and good since those are capital projects, but borrowing money to pay for the yearly operation of a program is a recipe for disaster
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 09:20 AM
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15. The state is caught in the same trap that a lot of poor people are
It needs cash, but the only sources of financing are going to charge high interest.

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