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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-10 05:32 PM
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Explosion and fire at NH gun factory kills 2
Source: Associated Press

COLEBROOK, N.H. (AP) -- Multiple explosions at a gun and ammunition manufacturing plant in far northern New Hampshire on Friday killed two people, shook buildings blocks away, filled the sky with black smoke and forced the evacuation of dozens of homes.

State Fire Marshal Bill Degnan confirmed the deaths at the MDM Muzzleloader building in Colebrook. He said the fire was burning more than four hours after the explosion was reported.

SNIP

The blasts started just after 1 p.m. and continued for at least two hours as ammunition exploded, said Mia West, Colebrook's public information officer.

Firefighters were unable to get close enough to fight the blaze because ammunition was still going off more than two hours after the initial blast, West said.

Read more: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_BLACK_POWDER_EXPLOSION?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2010-05-14-18-19-14
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-10 05:38 PM
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1. Were they employees? Did they die doing what they loved?
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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-10 06:16 PM
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2. Does it matter? They died.
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-10 06:36 PM
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3. Yes, I think it does. No other jobs, I hate this dangerous job, but I need a job.
Reflects upon them in one way.

I love guns, I love being around guns and working with them, and the hazard of dying is worth the joy of producing more guns. Reflects upon them in another way.
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-10 07:11 PM
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9. Most people work at jobs they don't love ...
I had a co-worker who had worked at a munitions factory. She had little or no interest in firearms. I asked her why she worked at such a dangerous job and she said, "Because I was a single mom with a child to bring up. It paid better than being a waitress at the local diner."

Factory jobs often attract people with little education. She moved on from that job to become an electronic technician and worked for a while as an engineering aid.

I understand your hatred of firearms but I'm sure many of the people who died were not "gun nuts" and were just working people trying to support a family in a small community.

Your lack of compassion disappoints me. This was not an explosion at a gun range.
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-10 07:14 PM
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10. Hang on there. If I am working at a place that makes lampshades out of the hides of Jews
am I just a working stiff?

How should I align my compassion?
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-10 07:48 PM
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12. To bring a Nazi reference to this argument is both ridiculous and insulting ...
especially the one you chose.

The company makes muzzle loading rifles and powder and bullets for them. They do not produce sporting items, not military firearms or weapons suitable for criminal activity or even for legitimate self defense. Even if they did make munitions for the military, that would not really make the workers the equivalent of a person making lampshades from human skin.

For this factory, you should ask "If I am working at a place that makes lampshades, am I just a working stiff?

In the area of Florida where I live many people hunt during the black powder season. Since I live in the poorest county in Florida and one of the poorest in the nation, deer hunting is important to many people. Deer are so plentiful in this area that they are pests. I know several people who have had an accident when they ran into a deer that bolted into the road.

I imagine you hate hunting too.

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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-10 08:10 PM
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13. I am the deer with the shot entering my side killing me.
Why would that make me hate hunting?
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-10 09:10 PM
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17. Are you a vegetarian?
if not how would feel if you were a cow being led to the slaughter?

If you are a vegetarian, consider these stories.


With no deer hunt, Utah herds would perish

From the bench, a few weeks past, Leslie Lewis, 3rd District judge in Utah, asked a deer hunter standing before her: "Have you ever actually looked at a deer when they're alive?"

She prefaced her question by noting she had a prejudice against deer hunters. She then had a spectator in the gallery arrested, handcuffed and jailed, because he yawned when he should have smiled at her anti-hunting views.

I ask her: "Have you ever looked into the eyes of a starving deer?"

I have. It is, to this day, a haunting memory. In the center of a group of trees were five deer so weak from hunger they couldn't stand, but only stare, wide-eyed, frightened and caught in the agonizing, painful grip of certain death by starvation.

Nearby, we counted 35 carcasses of deer that had starved in a 100-square-yard area and many more outside the area.

I doubt Lewis, who was voted out Tuesday, has or ever will see the end results of having too many deer and too little food. Doubt she has ever given much thought to deer trying to survive a winter with limited food sources.
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,650205428,00.html




"Our Goal is to promote hunters
as conservationists"


The US whitetail population is out of control. Not only are deer starving by the thousands, they’re laying waste to entire ecosystems. No species in North America has been more mismanaged than deer. There is only one solution.

Founded in 1996 to assist landowners and wildlife professionals and provide for a balance between wildlife, landowners, biologists and hunters.

BWMANH is a New Hampshire registered non-profit organization utilizing the expertise of individuals from the hunting public which meet or exceed criteria established more than 20 years ago.

The purpose of our organization is to successfully contribute, through Bowhunting*, the management of wildlife populations in areas that would otherwise be closed to hunting. We do not, however, consider ourselves an "elite" hunting group.

Bowhunting in suburban areas can be difficult and sensitive. We pride ourselves in having good skills and discipline, as well as a capacity for hard work, dedication and responsibility. We take our relationship with landowners very seriously. We also make every effort to serve the community in ways other than wildlife reduction, ie; Adopt-A-Highway, Barry Conservation Camperships in connection with 4-H, Certified Hunter Safety Training Instructors, Certified Bowhunter Safety Training Instructors, PTO Youth Training, NRA Eddie Eagle Program and Boy Scouts of America. We require one workday participation per year to assist the landowners with cutting trees or planting shrubs and grasses to begin the process of regeneration of the damage done by the over-population of deer. BWMANH will supply various plants to participating landowners, based on property size and availabililty.

Our members are asked to abide by a strict set of rules and regulations formulated with the special needs of suburban Bowhunting in mind. Because of these restrictions, our organization is not for everyone. Please keep in mind that we are looking for "team players" and responsible individuals. We want to give people, non-hunters as well as fellow hunters, a positive impression of Bowhunting and bowhunters as a management tool. Program participants also must be certified in Bowhunter education through the National Bowhunter Education Foundation.

Populated areas of New Hampshire where human habitation prevents or limits the use of firearms for hunting creates an overpopulation of deer, resulting in; destruction of habitat, increased human/deer contact in adverse ways, which endangers human life, health and property.
http://www.bwmanh.org/



Hunting a solution to feral pig problem
Forget that 30-point buck. Set your sights on feral pigs to protect Wisconsin's ecosystems.


Hunting has long been not only a part of Wisconsin's cultural heritage, but also a way to control the state's deer population. Last year, 642,000 licensed hunters killed over 350 thousand deer, according to a report by Madison's WKOW. But for this year's gun season, in addition to that 30-point buck, the Wisconsin DNR is encouraging hunters to set their sights on another prey: pigs.

They're not talking about domestic pigs on farms (in fact, shooting a domestic pig this season could result in a fine to replace the animal). Instead, the DNR wants hunters to help reduce feral, or wild, pig populations during this year's gun season, which begins November 21. Although pigs might not sound like a particularly menacing threat to the state, feral pigs are a concern not only because of their potential to spread exotic diseases to domestic animals, but also because they are destructive to Wisconsin ecosystems.

The DNR describes feral pigs as "exotic, non-native wild animals that pose significant threats to both the environment and to agricultural operations," according to this fact sheet. Originally native to Europe and Asia, feral pigs either escaped from hunting preserves in America or were intentionally introduced into the wild. In addition to being possible sources of disease for livestock, feral pigs damage native species while rooting for food and have been known to prey on domestic animals. So far, they have been reported in over half of Wisconsin's 72 counties. And Wisconsin residents have begun to take notice.

"There are a lot of them in the national forests up north. They're actually sort of a problem. People hit them with their cars," said Ben Rosemeyer, 21, a UW-Madison student who hunts regularly.

***snip***

The call for hunters to shoot feral pigs as well demonstrates the role of humans in stabilizing ecosystems. One of the most significant features of exotic invasive species -- animal, plant or otherwise -- is the lack of natural predators in the areas they invade. While there are still some top predators in Wisconsin, such as black bears and wolves, humans can also fill this role in the ecosystem when other predators are scarce. Just as hunters can stop deer populations from skyrocketing, they can also help prevent further environmental and agricultural destruction by shooting pigs.

And, as top predators in Wisconsin's ecosystem, hunters have an added bonus. Wild pig, according to the DNR, has been described as even tastier than its domestic relative.
http://www.mnn.com/local-reports/wisconsin/local-blog/hunting-a-solution-to-feral-pig-problem
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-10 09:14 PM
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18. Is Temple Grandin a vegetarian?
No, she eats butchered livestock.

Do I throw in with shooters or butchers?

Doesn't matter? Respectfully disagree.
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 11:34 AM
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25. The questions are ...
do you oppose hunting to control the animal population or would you rather allow the animals to starve?

If you oppose hunting, then how would you humanely control the deer population.

If you feel compassion for a deer that was shot by a hunter, do you feel the same compassion for a animal raised only for slaughter to provide you with packaged meat for your table?

If you do enjoy eating beef, pork or chicken from a store but oppose hunting because the game suffers, does that make you a hypocrite?
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-10 07:05 PM
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7. Wow, how spiteful.
Would you say the same thing if there was an accident at a cement factory? I think not.

You know, this doesn't prove any of your authoritarian viewpoints. :eyes:
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catnhatnh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-10 08:44 PM
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14. You are a morally deficient jackass.
How dare you judge people you never met. I could explain just how hard in is to find a job in northern NH. I could explain that a muzzle loader is a single shot weapon used mostly by hobbyists and the most skilled of hunters. But in your case I'll settle for get stuffed idiot...
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cowman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-10 08:48 PM
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15. Real nice Shares
you really showed real compassion for the people killed and the loss of a loved one with a family. You have truly shown what a complete a**hole you really are.
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-10 09:02 PM
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16. Is it worse for me to judge them or you to judge me?
I would maintain that I am holding all of us to a consistent moral principle.

And you compared me wrongly to a bodily orifice?

My opinions shouldn't be reduced to some port for exuding waste product.
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cowman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-10 09:22 PM
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19. Once again
you have shown yourself to be a complete fucking a**hole.
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Paladin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 08:55 AM
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22. I'm Going To Keep Your Post In Mind........
....the next time a D.U. gun militant spews the same tired old line that gun control advocates are a bunch of emotional ninnies, while pro-gun militants unswervingly adhere to truth and logic in their arguments. With enemies like you, my side of this issue needs far fewer friends.....
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 08:57 AM
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23. Good thing, that.
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cowman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 06:09 PM
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29. Hey genius
I'm talking about his lack of compassion for the dead and their families, not about his stance on guns. Reading and understanding is your friend.
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Paladin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 08:59 AM
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30. You Responded To Sharesunited's Calm, Logical Post......
....in a foulmouthed, angry fashion. I stand by my remarks, and I thank you for making your side of this issue look bad.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 09:17 AM
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24. Your guiding moral princinciple is pure authoritarianism
:nuke:
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 02:52 PM
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26. You know little about them.
Esp. nothing concerning their personal morality or attitudes. Yet you condemn them not only in ignorance, but posthumously, without have had a chance to remonstrate with them.

The people condemning you know rather more about you. Specifically about your personal morality and attitudes--or at least those you profess on this board as part of your DU persona. And they condemn you while you live, having remonstrated with you.

There's rather a big difference, under the terms of most moral codes.

At least you didn't confuse "muzzleloader," as some would, with an assault rifle. Or even the oddly named "assault weapon." (I've from time to time been amused by pondering what a fully automatic muzzleloader would look like.)
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Hulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-10 06:48 PM
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4. Hope this doesn't impact our #1 export.
I honestly don't give a shit. Any of these arms makers are simply doing the devils handiwork. Think of all the "joy" they brought to the world making guns for everyone to enjoy.
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-10 06:51 PM
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5. You have GOT to be kidding.
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-10 06:52 PM
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6. Yeah but the workers who died are likely innocent people that are barely making a living at the only
Edited on Fri May-14-10 06:53 PM by superconnected
place they could find that was hiring. Oh wait, that's all the jobs I've worked at in the last 10 years...

My point is, they may not have been gun nuts dying at a job they loved.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 03:14 PM
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28. well good for you. I know that community . It's poor and
hardscrabble as it gets. and you clearly know nothing about what they were manufacturing. in a town like Colebrook, such an event is devastating. Your lack of compassion, knowledge and critical thinking is truly disturbing.
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bluedigger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-10 07:09 PM
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8. They make hunting rifles.
Modern muzzle loading single shot hunting rifles. Not evul black rifles. They also manufacture a high tech bullet for their hunting rifles which increases the odds of a quick kill. http://emainehosting.com/dyno-core/about.htm

If I were a betting man I would bet that this Vermont based company manufactured their bullets up in NH. That would explain the violence and duration of the event.
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The abyss Donating Member (930 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-10 07:38 PM
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11. Muzzleloaders don’t fire self-contained ammunition.
Edited on Fri May-14-10 07:39 PM by The abyss
Bullets are the projectiles, not the propellant.

Propellants will burn or explode if contained.

They probably had stores of propellants for pressure testing and testing on their bullet product line.
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bluedigger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-10 09:58 PM
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20. I stand corrected.
The "Nitro detonation tip" through me off track. :blush: :rofl:
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-10 10:39 PM
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21. Gotta love the vile coming from DU resident anti-gun crowd...
They get their panties in a wad when a criminal gets shot by their victim, but when a working stiff gets killed on the job (making muzzleloading rifles, at that), they celebrate.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 02:54 PM
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27. It's empathy.
Take that line of thinking wherever you'd like.
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