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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 11:24 AM
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Southern Arizona congressman closes office amid threats
Source: Arizona News

The democratic congressman who called for an Arizona boycott was forced to shut down his offices Friday in southern Arizona after receiving threats.

Someone allegedly threatened to blow up Raul Grijalva's office in Tucson and kill his staff members. Callers also reportedly left racist remarks.



Read more: http://www.azfamily.com/news/Southern-Arizona-congressman-closes-office-amid-threats-91989334.html
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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 11:28 AM
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1. Sounds like the fun is just beginning down there
Edited on Sat Apr-24-10 11:28 AM by Downtown Hound
It's only a matter of time before this shit starts getting ugly, but when it does, I have a strong hunch that the GOP and Sheriff Arpaio aren't going to come out on top in this, not in a country that's becoming less and less white every day. This is the kind of thing that pushes whole groups of people away from the GOP for generations.
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 11:30 AM
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2. I'd be ashamed to admit I was a
repuke. It is so disgusting what they are doing to themselves! Mitt Romney is the best thing they can come come up with and that is licking the bottom on the barrel in my opinion.

Rot in hell GOP!

:kick:

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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 11:59 AM
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5. the underside of the bottom of the barrel. n/t
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 03:42 PM
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58. no, no
the dirt under the barrel. :p
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 04:36 PM
Response to Reply #58
71. lol
maybe the spiders and scorpions bellies under the dirt
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 12:11 PM
Response to Reply #2
8. Well we are glad you are with the sane now!
We don't all have to agree on everything but civility and professionalism can move an issue a long way towards being resolved.

The Republicans have pushed every single group that is not Republican to the edge....and that is to defend themselves and their families. The Republicans will act surprised when the shit hits the fan and they will have no one to blame but themselves.
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 10:15 PM
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93. just to clarify
I am not and never have been a member of the Republican :puke: party! Mark that in the little red book! :D

:kick:

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Beavker Donating Member (784 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 12:52 PM
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19. I was Independent and voted W both times.
Edited on Sat Apr-24-10 12:54 PM by Beavker
The 2nd time just too see if he could finish. He didn't. He crashed and burned more than ever.

I used to argue with my liberal wife on things, usually supporting GWB. Now I'm more liberal than she is. I think she gets sick of my GOP/Tea Bagger bashing, as it knows no bounds now.

I just started paying attention to facts and what was happening. I never really did before. It's a no brainer. Meaning if you stay GOP, you have no brain.

The thing that really got me started, believe it or not, was the prospect and emergence of the green tech, specifically hybrid and electric cars. I started realizing it was possible, plausible and for the rest of the world, inevitable and yet the U.S., thanks to big oil and it's GOP whores, would never let it happen. It took something. Now I'm pretty much on board with all philosophies.

CountAllVotes...I can't believe I was ever willing to back these pigs either.
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abq e streeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 12:57 PM
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21. Welcome home, brother
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PJPhreak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 01:54 PM
Response to Reply #21
33. I could'nt have said it any better. nt
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 01:39 PM
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28. I was Independent and voted W both times. Posted by Beavker
Edited on Sat Apr-24-10 01:42 PM by AlbertCat
Independent and fucking stupid! BOTH times?

Thanks for playing your little "let's see if he can finish" game with our COUNTRY!

Jesus!

You're just now paying attention to the facts.... but have been voting for years. BRILLIANT! Let's hope you can figure them out, or even recognize them from bunk.


This may help:

http://users.tpg.com.au/users/tps-seti/baloney.html


Well, at least you appear to be on the right track now....


(People who voted for Bush twice don't get an all nice-y nice-y pass from me. Prove you're awake!)




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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 02:03 PM
Response to Reply #19
37. Welcome to the good side!
:)
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abq e streeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 02:14 PM
Response to Reply #19
41. I'm ashamed and embarrassed that there was an unkind ( to say the least) comment directed to you
That's their opinion, and they are obviously entitled to it, but the last thing, in my opinion, that we on our side need to do is insult and potentially chase away people who have , no matter how long it took them, realized that the cause of a better America lies on our side of the great Red-blue divide. And especially with your having the guts and integrity to publicly admit your errors in judgment and make no excuses but take responsibility for it by saying you just weren't paying attention to the facts etc. and that now you are... If I may, allow me to say it even more forcefully than the first time: WELCOME HOME.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 03:56 PM
Response to Reply #41
61. +1, n/t
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 05:13 PM
Response to Reply #41
79. +1
:thumbsup:
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 03:53 PM
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60. I think a lot of R's are similar, I have some R friends that do the same, never pay
attention to the facts, just blindly listen to the R talking points. Hopefully they will come around like you did and look behind the curtain, see what the NEW Rs are about, and will get facts such as you did, and abandon them. The R's I know are not bad people, they are just stuck in a rut.

:toast: :yourock:
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 09:18 PM
Response to Reply #60
89. they are mad as hell
and when oh when will the time come when they will not take it any more? This is the fear that is being spread.

HOWEVER, I will add that most of these tea bagger fools are idiots and chicken sh*ts IMO. I have no fear of them.

Nothing to fear but fear itself!!

:dem: :kick: :kick:

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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 10:00 PM
Response to Reply #89
91. Yep, I've not listened to one of them that has had an intriguing position on anything
Edited on Sat Apr-24-10 10:02 PM by RKP5637
to advance mankind. It's always a bunch of RW talking points and the same crap over and over, backward-speak. These are the people that have to be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century. Frankly, I would like to just leave them behind in their era.
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 10:13 PM
Response to Reply #91
92. they are a dying breed of cat
gone gone gone and they ain't never comin' back! :D :D :D :D :D :D :toast:

:dem:

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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 10:24 PM
Response to Reply #92
95. Cheers!!!
:toast: :toast: :toast:
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 04:53 PM
Response to Reply #19
104. "Welcome back to the fight. This time I know our side will win."

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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 05:15 PM
Response to Reply #19
105. That's great!
And like someone else said, welcome home! :)
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 10:37 PM
Response to Reply #19
115. "It's a no brainer. Meaning if you stay GOP, you have no brain."
Edited on Sun Apr-25-10 10:38 PM by HughMoran
Love it - ain't it the truth!
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 04:38 AM
Response to Reply #19
117. Jay Leno, Is that you?
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PinkFloyd Donating Member (264 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 04:27 PM
Response to Reply #2
69. Don't feel bad man, I was once a repuke too.
Edited on Sat Apr-24-10 04:30 PM by PinkFloyd
For me the turning point was when they were actually defending things like Bush's illegal wiretaps, blatant war crimes and lying us into war. If that wasn't enough, there was also the bullshit about refusing to help our public schools when they couldn't even afford lights or work on our own infrastructure while building new schools, hospitals, infrastructure, even housing for Iraq. It made me mad as hell because to me it looked like the GOP cared more about Iraq than America.
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 09:35 PM
Response to Reply #69
90. given the list of crimes you have named ...
I can see why you left. Welcome to the Democratic Underground! :)

:kick:

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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 04:43 AM
Response to Reply #69
118. Iraqis may see it a lot differently than you do, but at least you broke free, whatever the reason.
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PinkFloyd Donating Member (264 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 05:56 AM
Response to Reply #118
124. I think I chose the wrong wording...
What I meant to convey was it made me mad to see them blow all those billions on Iraq and then turn around and become fiscally conservative tight-asses when it came to doing something to help Americans here at home.

And thanks...Looking back now I can't believe I ever supported those morons.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 02:09 PM
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40. Makes me think of that Geico commercial guy and the phone message he left for the teabaggers
when he brought up the question of - how are you gonna spin it when one of your people finally kills somebody? Do you have your spin campaign planned out yet how you're gonna handle it, or are you just gonna deal with it when it comes?"

The guy asked a very worthwhile question. I'm terribly afraid that this is EXACTLY what's going to happen. Somebody's gonna get killed with emotions running this high among a group of manifestly reckless, erratic, and ill-informed racist fanatics who now have a "legitimate" outlet for expression of their darkest demons. The feelings they embrace deep-down used to be the kind of sentiments you didn't speak in the open because of how unhinged and anti-social they are. But now these people have cover of "legitimate" organizations and protest groups with republi-CON congressmembers among the establishment types egging them on in public. Someday, sooner than later, I'm terribly afraid somebody IS gonna get killed.

That question left on that voicemail was totally reasonable and well worth asking.

We should ALL be asking that question - out loud, and EVERYWHERE. It has to go viral.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 04:57 AM
Response to Reply #40
119. I don't get comments like that. People have already been killed by those
Edited on Mon Apr-26-10 05:05 AM by No Elephants
incited by the RW.

McVeigh killed many. The guy who shot up a "liberal church" killed several. The physician who performed abortions was shot in he vestibule of the church where he was an usher. Abortion clinics have been bombed. Someone killed a security guard or two in the Holocaust Museum in Washington, D.C.

Then there was that guy who supposedly carved "Fed" into his own chest, tied his hands behind his back with duct tape, then hung himself. (No doubt ending his dream of working with Cirque de Soleil as a contortionist cum masochistic magician.) And so on. And those are just the fatalities, not counting assaults short of murder. Also not counting those killed or assaulted bc they were gay or Hispanic or African American.

I wonder just how many more have to die before people stop talking as though the FIRST killing by those incited by the RW is still in the future?

So, yeah, the RW does have its strategy ready. We've already seen it.

First, pretend it's never happened yet--we're still wondering when the first of these killings will occur..

Second, pretend "both sides" are doing it.

Third, pretend the latest killing was simply done by an isolated nut case and the right would never accuse the entire left if the shoe were on the other foot.

Fourth, claim the perp was actually a liberal, trying to make the right look bad.

Fifth, all of the above and, if all of those fail, just ask Joe Scarborough to come up with another rationale that is anything but the ugly reality.
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 03:40 PM
Response to Reply #1
57. Perhaps someday when
we're all cafe au lait color this bullshit will stop.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 05:34 AM
Response to Reply #57
121. Meh Bigots will always find a reason to set one group or another apart and seek to persecute them.
Ideology, clan or tribe, sexual orientation, gender, ethnicity, ancestry, wealth, (perceived?) social class, religion (or lack thereof) and so on. It's not all about skin color. Never was. Never will be. It's about someone wanting to feel superiot to "the other."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let_That_Be_Your_Last_Battlefield
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etherealtruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 11:34 AM
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3. Emboldened by racist laws ... disgusting
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 12:39 PM
Response to Reply #3
16. yep
:puke:
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bulloney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 11:54 AM
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4. The people behind the threats are likely the same ones carrying signs at teabagger events
demanding that we "take our country back."

In many of these peoples' minds, there's no First Amendment to the Constitution, only a Second Amendment.
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happygoluckytoyou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 12:10 PM
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7. AZ STATE MOTTO: Making Mississippi Look Smart
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 06:00 PM
Response to Reply #7
81. A friend of mine is from Alabama
she goes nuts when I slip and say something about 'freakin Alabama', :evilgirn: But, she's a liberal Dem all the way.
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Loki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 12:18 PM
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9. Can we move the Grand Canyon?
Arizona doesn't deserve it anymore.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 02:03 PM
Response to Reply #9
36. Can we give it to the Navajo Nation, or to Utah maybe.
AZ is making UT look liberal! :rofl:
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 05:40 AM
Response to Reply #36
122. Perhaps you mean give it BACK? (Not sure if Navajo is the way to go, though.)
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 03:58 PM
Response to Reply #9
63. +1, n/t
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 12:25 PM
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10. The party of intimidation continues to use threat and violence...
Reminds of brownshirts and 1933.

Someone is going to get hurt before all this is over. And Republicans will laugh.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 12:39 PM
Response to Reply #10
15. Godwin's Law.
-1.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 01:17 PM
Response to Reply #15
22. If YOU doesn't recognize the similarities, then YOU are the PROBLEM!
Teabaggers = Nazi Brownshirts.

You can't escape the similarities...
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 02:51 PM
Response to Reply #22
50. Historical ignorance is rampant on DU.
Sigh....
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 04:39 PM
Response to Reply #50
73. Yes - YOU prove it with every post
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 04:58 PM
Response to Reply #73
77. You really, really to visit your local library.
Clutching your pearls and shouting, "The teabaggers/Arizona state government are nazis!" is not thoughtful analysis. I've offered to hand the of another poster and guide them out of their fog of ignorance. I've still got one hand free, want to come along?
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 03:36 PM
Response to Reply #22
54. +2
n/t
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 04:07 PM
Response to Reply #22
65. +2, n/t
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 08:24 PM
Response to Reply #22
85. No question about it
Edited on Sat Apr-24-10 08:25 PM by depakid
And I should also like to add that irony impairment- as exemplified above, is also rampant on DU.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 01:26 PM
Response to Reply #15
24. Bullshit...
I've been in a "town hall" with these NAZIS and that's the ONLY way to view them...

They act EXACTLY like Hitler's brownshirts and are being used by corporate republicans in the same manner that their analogues were used in Germany against the democratically elected government...

If they look like brownshirts, sound like brownshirts and smell like brownshirts they probably ARE brownshirts...
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 02:53 PM
Response to Reply #24
51. You need to read up on American and German history.
Seriously.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 03:56 PM
Response to Reply #51
62. Having read up on American history, I propose we call the teabaggers "Know-Nothings".
because a) the original "Know-Nothing" party was anti-immigrant, and b) these people clearly know nothing.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 04:02 PM
Response to Reply #62
64. That is waaaay closer then brownshirt.
The U.S. has seen their type before. And they'll blow away like the Know-Nothings.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 04:42 PM
Response to Reply #51
74. We have - YOU'RE the one who knows SHIT about history.
Edited on Sat Apr-24-10 04:43 PM by TankLV
Your posts PROVE it.

If we ignore these BROWNSHIRTS now, we will repeating EXACTLY what happened in Nazi Germany.

EXACTLY.

Read the piece about the "Good German" written in the 40's.

That's why WE recognize the SIMILARITIES while YOU don't!
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 05:00 PM
Response to Reply #74
78. God, you're dull.
Shall we get into this?

What do you know about the Know-Nothings or Anti-Mason movement?

You're going to need google for this. I'm getting the feeling you have a "pamphlet-sized" knowledge of history.

It's ok, we'll get through this. And dial back your emotions, you just sound silly.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 08:40 PM
Response to Reply #51
110. EXCUSE ME!!!!
Edited on Sun Apr-25-10 08:41 PM by ProudDad
I've obviously forgotten more American and German history than you ever bothered to read...

And also, obviously, I know a lot more about psychology than you've bothered yourself about either...

Ah, So long...I've read some of your other shallow posts on this thread and you're not worth bothering with..."reading" is not the same as comprehension...
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 10:30 PM
Response to Reply #110
114. Wow, stalker.
I highly doubt your claims.

You join the ranks of a lot here, "pamphlet-sized" understanding of history and it's complexities.

It's funny, you who based everything on emotionalism and caps-lock accusing me of being shallow.

Like the others I suggest you google the Know-Nothings, Anti-Mason, anti-Irish laws and the like. This will take actual reading, don't get scared. ;-)
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harkadog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 05:13 PM
Response to Reply #24
80. Your knowledge of history is bullshit
But I suspect you are proud of that.
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 02:22 PM
Response to Reply #15
44. Screw Goodwin. Crack a book about 1933 and look what happened.
Edited on Sat Apr-24-10 02:23 PM by Ozymanithrax
It can happen hear. When a state enacts Facist laws to control those scarry people that arn't as good as they are, it is happening.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 02:54 PM
Response to Reply #44
52. That was the reason for my post.
I've cracked many a book about German and American history.

Nazi comparisons are ignorant and lazy. They also reek of American arrogance.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 03:37 PM
Response to Reply #52
55. Oh, because you say so, and for no other reason. Gee. You really told us off.
Nice one. :sarcasm: :eyes:
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 04:10 PM
Response to Reply #55
66. Do I really have to explain it?
Let's start with what was mentioned up-thread.

Google the "Know-Nothing" U.S. political party.

I'm quite willing to hold your hand through this.
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 08:11 PM
Response to Reply #52
84. Here in America we lynched black people...we drag gay people to death behind cars.
We ripped Indian children from their families and forced them to learn English and become Christian.
The heroes of industry, Ford, wrote books like "The International Jew."
It is not lazy or ignorant to draw historical parallels.
FDR interred the Japanese in prison camps simply because they were yellow.
We created Jim Crow laws so white people could keep a lock on power.
In the 1950s tens of thousands Hispanics were rounded up and deported, simply because they were brown.
We passed laws in Arizona that allow the police to arrest anyone that looks like they may be illegal aliens.

Americans have a long history of violence against those they perceive as outsiders or different. They have a long history of murder of those that are different. They have a long history of slavery or virtual slavery.

We are no different than any other country at other times in history. What you see in Arizon is facist law making at its finest. If we do not recognize it for what it is and stop it, then there will be more such laws.

Goodwins law is crap, because the historical parallels, the real history of America, shows that we can and do have a facist urge.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 08:58 PM
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87. "We"?
I didn't know you spent your weekends lynching and dragging.

Scary list. It's easy to string together a bunch of complex events into a simple idea but it doesn't work once you break it down.

"Americans have a long history of violence against those they perceive as outsiders or different. They have a long history of murder of those that are different. They have a long history of slavery or virtual slavery."

So does every nation and culture on Earth.

"Goodwins law is crap, because the historical parallels, the real history of America, shows that we can and do have a facist urge."

Tsk, tsk. Another person who won't do their homework.

Google the Know-Nothings and Anti-Masons. Google the anti-Irish frenzy.

But you won't. It's easier to scream, "Nazis, Nazis!" then do the actual work.

But I agree, the law will be fought and struck down. My advice is knock-off the the irresponsible Nazi comparisons. People will stop paying attention to what your point is.
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 09:04 PM
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88. We, as in this nation does that. We institue racism.
If our country does it, we are resposible, even if we don't approve of it.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 08:34 PM
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86. There is a really important difference
The US is a very powerful world-spanning military empire, able to to anything to any country in the world, with no power able to stop us. Germany and Japan were imperial wannabees--Germany had it's few imperial possessions stripped from it after WW I, and Japan was never allowed to start. Both nations found this highly insulting and decided to do something about it.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 08:57 AM
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99. Sometimes the analogies are valid...
Sometimes the analogies are valid.

I imagine that should someone write a wiki entry called "Jones' Law" stating that no one can use the word "the" without invalidating their own arguments, many people would jump on that cute little band wagon also, and proclaim "Fail!" or "-1" each time "the" was used in a post...
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 05:56 AM
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125. +1 (GLMA)
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 05:34 PM
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106. For once, comparisons to Nazi Germany are not off-base n/t
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 05:26 AM
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120. Godwin's law, my ass. It's not a law. It's a piece of bullshit, invented by control freaks, and
probably RW control freaks.

As if referring to Nazis were the worst thing to happen on message boards.
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Frank Cannon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 05:59 AM
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127. Absolutely. It's a BS way to shut down discussion of an uncomfortable issue.
I've always wondered who this "Godwin" moron is and why so many refer to his musing as a "law".
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abq e streeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 12:46 PM
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18. Maybe they'll laugh in private...publicly they'll wring their hands over how unfortunate
whichever act of violence they're referring to is, and then explain how it was really the fault of the liberals for pushing good decent Americans to this unfortunate but under the circumstances, understandable act .
Our fair and balanced news media will of course give ( at least) equal time to that aforementioned explanation...
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 02:24 PM
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47. They will praise them in public...watch them. n/t
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abq e streeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 04:42 PM
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75. Worst part is the increasing chance that we'll get to find out which one of us is right
I guess that I was thinking of republican officials, media figures etc, as opposed to a bunch of their ignorant foot soldiers sitting around having a good laugh at it... The politicians and media figures would have to make a show of "regret.....Or not... You may be right even about them ... At least that'd be honest and open about encouraging and celebrating violence. I see them as being too slimy and gutless even for that. Just encourage others to do their dirty work and then piously try to distance themselves from it like any good coward does.
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 08:00 PM
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83. They praised the guy who flew his plane into the IRS.
Not all the Republicans will, but there will be those who do. They know their base and know what will get them elected.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 12:27 PM
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11. HERE WE GO.
knr
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ellenfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 12:27 PM
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12. a democrat? wasn't expecting that.
i guess that meme that the left incites violence just took another hit. the righties won and they are issuing the threats? the right is getting very mean. keep it up guys. we'll take those voters you're alienating.

ellen fl

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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 02:24 PM
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46. They may well alienate voters nationally, but not in Arizona. n/t
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ellenfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 10:56 PM
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96. the latinos will back repubs? eom
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 07:38 AM
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98. No, I'm sure that very few Latinos will. But the registered Latino vote in the state...
is not big enough yet to swing elections in Arizona away from the GOP. With polls showing 70% approval of this law in the state, I do believe that it will be a short term political gain for the GOP in Arizona.

Does that make the bill right? Of course it doesn't. All I am doing here is trying to analyze the political implications of this bill one way or the other.
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ellenfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 12:10 PM
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101. perhaps we need a gotv effort for latinos in arizona? eom
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 01:39 PM
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102. isn't grijalva a latino himself??
wtf!?
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Doc Martin Donating Member (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 12:31 PM
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13. Boycott AZ? Yep.
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47of74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 12:54 PM
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20. Goddamn straight
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Red1 Donating Member (247 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 12:35 PM
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14. Between
the health and welfare bill fires plus the drug war right nextdoor, now the immigration bill...I can see a few combat divisions taking up residency down there next to the border..
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 12:42 PM
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17. How about hunger strikes?
Those were very effective in combatting apartheid.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 01:42 PM
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30. Boycott Arizona
enforce a hunger regime on the rich f*cks who are the only ones who profit from the convention trade...

Why should working people starve...?
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 02:50 PM
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49. Hunger strikes are only effective if they are voluntary
Same with boycotts.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 08:44 PM
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111. You missed my point
By boycotting Arizona you would be hurting the rich f*cks who buy seats for these bat-crap crazy republican assholes...starving the rich...

You would do little damage to those exploited by those fascist jerks...
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 01:17 PM
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23. The threats should be taken seriously. Guns are more accepted than brown people in Arizona.
Judging by recent laws passed there.

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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 01:29 PM
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25. BOYCOTT ARIZONA!!!
Edited on Sat Apr-24-10 01:47 PM by ProudDad
I live here and am also urging a boycott of conventions...

As for the "hurting the workers" bullshit...

1) Many of those workers are "illegals" or have "illegals" in their extended families who will be profiled and harassed by the new Arizona police state...as it is now all workers are HEAVILY exploited in employer friendly Arizona...WORKING PEOPLE HAVE NO RIGHTS HERE ANYWAY!!! And AIN'T PAID SHIT!

2) The tourist/convention trade is moribund long before this call and it's LOUSY, unsustainable economics to depend on it anyway. The GOOD people in Arizona are fighting tourism and growth as a supporting economy -- boycotting would only help us in our efforts to make Arizona sustainable.

3) Those bat-shit crazy (republican) "representatives" must pay for their actions and their wallets are the only freakin' things they notice...

4) The voters of Arizona must feel some pain as a result of the egregious government haters they insist on send to Phoenix...it's the only damn way they'll learn.

5) It's amazing that states' rights assholes like these republicans can usurp county and city rights to not waste our limited budgets on "feel good" racist shit like this...

There's more but that's a start...
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 01:32 PM
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26. Unfortunately, my congresscritter sprinted away from Grijalva
if you believe the incredibly slanted reporting in the Arizona Daily Star:

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/border/article_ae3bc37f-d50c-541a-8da7-6aba3ca46c98.html
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abq e streeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 01:42 PM
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29. "would not take a position"...
how shocking, given the bold and decisive stands most of our party's leadership has shown in the face of republican assaults on the constitution in recent years .
:sarcasm:




And yes, I understand the obvious right wing slant of your papers there; our Albuquerque Urinal..er.. Journal is also basically a mouthpiece for the republican party too, but I tend to believe it until proven otherwise when I hear of a Democratic elected official scurrying away from anything that even hints vaguely of a backbone.

"Giffords, who is seeking immediate deployment of National Guard troops and more Border Patrol agents, would not take a position on the law itself..."
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 01:49 PM
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32. "would not take a position" but the headline
Edited on Sat Apr-24-10 01:49 PM by ProudDad
Giffords won't get behind Grijalva's call for boycott

and the tone of the article made it sound like she was sprinting in the opposite direction...

When in reality, she was spinning in place -- as usual!

:hi:
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abq e streeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 01:54 PM
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34. I guess i see refusing to take a position and running away as being virtually the same thing
Edited on Sat Apr-24-10 01:55 PM by abq e streeter
and back atcha::hi:
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 05:53 AM
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123. Dunno how I would feel if my Rep urged a boycott of my/our state. It's a tough one.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 06:52 AM
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130. Too late to edit my prior post, but a post downthread about S. Africa swayed me: Grijalva'scorrect.
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 01:32 PM
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27. And you thought The South is the problem.
Meet the new public seat of prejudice.... same as the old but with 50% more turquoise!
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 01:45 PM
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31. A very large percentage of the q-tips that
elect these jerk-offs are retirees from southern states.

This is the last state to accept M.L.King Day (remember Meachem?)...very racist and xenophobe and a lot of self-selected racist, xenophobes have "retired" here...

But they're dying off so maybe something will change as the water runs out and gas hits $10 per gallon, I hope.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 05:59 AM
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126. There's no one "seat." Bigots are all over the U.S., but the red states seem to have the most.
Edited on Mon Apr-26-10 06:00 AM by No Elephants
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 01:59 PM
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35. Ick, Ick, Ick!!! This is getting bad.
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SnakeEyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 02:06 PM
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38. Anyone see a police report or specific details?
I want to know what these crazies actually said.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 02:08 PM
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39. Send a "Thank You" note to Obama for pulling Janet Napolitano out of AZ, paving this road.
What were they thinking?
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 02:22 PM
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43. Exactly. Janet would certainly have vetoed that regressive and racist law.
Edited on Sat Apr-24-10 02:41 PM by totodeinhere
But now we have a teabagging nutcase sitting in Janet's old office, and if the polls are any indication of what will happen, Brewer may well win a full term in her own right in November. It's disgusting to say the least.

Edited for typo.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 08:30 PM
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108. If there's ONE person who deserves the blame for leaving us high and dry
it's that damn Napolitano!

She's a blue dog but at least she wasn't a bat-crap crazy FASCIST like the horrible waste of skin that now sits in that office.

So for her personal aggrandizement and "promotion" she lets us get fucked...
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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 02:20 PM
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42. These fools are hypocrites by threatening Rep. Grijalva.
And then they turn around and hunt for Mexicans because in their mind, Mexicans=murderers.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 02:23 PM
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45. Racist laws, death threats, JD Hayworth...
Arizona is officially loonie toon central
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 04:16 PM
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68. +1, n/t
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perdita9 Donating Member (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 02:30 PM
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48. Can You Say "Irony"?
The Tea Baggers are up in arms about Obama coming to take their freedom when the Republicans in Arizona are turning that state into Communist Russia.

"Papers, please!" Indeed!
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lynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 03:34 PM
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53. Truly Stupid to encourage a boycott of your own state -
- as a boycott hurts people of all colors and politics and usually impacts the poor guy first and hardest. I sure don't agree with the threats and violence. However, I'm not surprised by it given these economic hard times when faced with the possibility of further economic downturn at the hands of an official elected to serve the people. Not to mention that his political future is now toast.

Beyond DUMB.
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 04:37 PM
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72. +1
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 04:48 PM
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76. Tell that to South Africa.
Sorry - but NO SALE.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 06:46 AM
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129. Good point.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 09:28 AM
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100. Compared to the "show federal ID or go to jail" law, that impacts the poor folk first and hardest?
Who do you think is mostly likely to be poor in Arizona?

Juan Crow or Juan Cuervo or Jaime Cuervo or Jaime Crow -- or whatever you want to call it -- is a part and parcel of an economic system, designed to create and reproduce an exploitable underclass
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 09:48 PM
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112. You're pretty much wrong...
Workers here in republican wet-dream Arizona get fucked all the time...

This is the most virulent "right to work" state with some of the lowest wages (and the LOWEST marginal income tax rate for rich f*cks) in the nation...

There just aren't that many people employed at living wages in the tourist industry...

And we can call for a boycott of our own damn state if we want to...we WANT THESE FASCIST JERKS OUT OF OFFICE - by whatever means necessary!
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 09:46 AM
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133. Looks like 70% of Arizonians are afraid of Brisenia Flores and hate always impact the poor
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 03:38 PM
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56. I'm *so* glad I got out of that dump of a state!
My 5-year stay there was horrid enough to make me never want to go back. :puke:
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nolabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 03:46 PM
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59. Best idea I've heard is for pro baseball teams to boycott AZ
since their players, many of whom are Latino and like to go out and frequent the local clubs and services, will be in danger of harrassment. Don't know that management will get behind that, but it would be a fine protest, and a fitting example of how this kind of thing can, and should, come back to bite you.
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harkadog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 07:54 PM
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82. They would forfeit their games.
As Diamondbacks fan I support that completely.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 05:36 PM
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107. I'm a Giants'fan but the DBacks are my foster kids.
Edited on Sun Apr-25-10 05:36 PM by EFerrari
Hurts. :(
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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 04:14 PM
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67. K&R
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 04:27 PM
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70. Golly. And I have felt bad about being in Texas.
Arizona is making Texas look like a blue state. Problem is that Texas congress critters can't let anyone out stupid them for long. Look for our governor good hair to advocate death for speaking Spanish.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 09:50 PM
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113. I know some nurse Organizers
Edited on Sun Apr-25-10 09:52 PM by ProudDad
They just returned from a successful organizing effort in Texas and said that Arizona's a hell of a lot harder nut to crack (and I do mean nuts!)...

I believe them...

On Edit:

Arizona just slipped to 50th in the nation for school funding. It's not surprising, those republican fascist f*cks in Phoenix HATE public education, public parks, public anything but carrying their f*cking guns...

And you in Texas, and Mississippi and Alabama, etc. are welcome... :hi: Glad to help out...
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 06:11 AM
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128. Some posters on this thread seem desperate to pass the mantle of their state or region to Arizona.
Edited on Mon Apr-26-10 06:12 AM by No Elephants
As I read down this thread, I've seen Mississippi, the South and Texas so far.


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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 10:21 PM
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94. That's the right wing for you . . . ready violence to get their way . . .
Edited on Sat Apr-24-10 10:22 PM by defendandprotect
Trust sanity will prevail here and at the least Arizona will become a pitiful joke --

and their will be a boycott!

This is simply more GOP tearing the nation apart --

corporatism doesn't favor democracy -- nor equality for all --

it's sexist, racist and homophic because exploitation pays off big!

And that's the basis of capitalism . . . exploitation!

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workinclasszero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 06:22 AM
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97. But..but..Sarah and Rush say the teabaggers aren't racist!
OTOH, now its a crime to walk around Arizona with brown skin.

YOUR PAPERS PLEASE!!!:scared:
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 07:11 AM
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131. What does racism have to do with making sure Canadians obey our laws?
:rofl:
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 02:09 PM
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103. Well THAT sure makes me want to hop the evening plane to Phoenix!
When stupid people lose, they go straight for the kill. Only fans of the concept of "majority rules" when they win...
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 08:34 PM
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109. If there's ONE person who deserves the blame for this
It's that damn Janet Napolitano!

And she leaves to join the phony "war on terra(tm)" at the phony-baloney "Vaterland Security" Dept...shit!

She's a blue dog but at least she wasn't a bat-crap crazy FASCIST like the horrible waste of skin that now sits in that office...

So for her personal aggrandizement and "promotion" she lets us get fucked...

She will FOREVER be on my shit list and on that of all the good people in this state!
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Old Vet Donating Member (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 01:01 AM
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116. How in the hell do you blame janet.................
Who in there right mind would of saw this coming? This law is straight up lunacy, Iam afraid this is gonna get ugly fast. Not to mention the repukes digging there own graves election time.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 07:19 AM
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132. You should refuse when the head of your country and your party asks for your service?
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