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Andronex Donating Member (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 09:23 PM
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Ecuadorean threat to oil giants
Source: BBC News

The Ecuadorian government has threatened to take over foreign oil concessions if the companies resist growing state control of the industry.

The government has been pressing the companies to give up concessions that give them a share of oil field profits and accept service contracts instead. Oil firms operating in Ecuador come from Spain, Brazil, China and Italy.

President Correa said during a televised address on Saturday: "Every day that passes there are millions of dollars going to these companies that should be going to the Ecuadorean state.

"I'm out of patience. We are sending a bill to Congress that would allow for the expropriation of oil fields should the companies not want to sign the new contracts.

Read more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8627799.stm
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dotymed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 09:40 PM
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1. The land and the oil belong to the citizens
of Ecuador. Fair wealth distribution really drives Capitalists crazy. this is how the world is supposed to operate...
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 10:20 PM
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2. kick -- we should nationalize our own oil industry --
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-17-10 10:30 PM
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3. Call the marines.
It's clobberin' time.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-10 01:19 AM
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4. We all know where Marine General Smedley Butler would be standing on this situation.
Most of us are very, VERY familiar with his life, and his thoughts:

War is a Racket
By General Smedley D. Butler

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That war is a racket has been told us by many, but rarely by one of this stature. Though he died in 1940, the highly decorated General Butler (two esteemed Medals of Honor) deserves to be heralded for his timeless message, which rings true today more than ever. His riveting 1935 book War is a Racket merits inclusion as required reading for every high school student, and for every member of our armed forces today. Below is a ten-page summary of the best of this powerful exposé. For a concise, two-page version, click here.

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Foreword
Excerpt from a speech delivered in 1933 by General Smedley Butler, USMC


War is just a racket. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.

It may seem odd for me, a military man to adopt such a comparison. Truthfulness compels me to. I spent thirty-three years and four months in active military service as a member of this country's most agile military force, the Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks from Second Lieutenant to Major-General. And during that period, I spent most of my time being a high class muscle-man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the Bankers.

I suspected I was just part of a racket at the time. Now I am sure of it. Like all the members of the military profession, I never had a thought of my own until I left the service. My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military service.

I helped make Mexico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested.

During those years, I had, as the boys in the back room would say, a swell racket. Looking back on it, I feel that I could have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.

CHAPTER ONE: War Is A Racket

War is a racket. It always has been. It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.

A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small "inside" group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes.

In the World War (I) a mere handful garnered the profits of the conflict. At least 21,000 new millionaires and billionaires were made in the United States during the World War. That many admitted their huge blood gains in their income tax returns. How many other war millionaires falsified their tax returns no one knows.

How many of these war millionaires shouldered a rifle? How many of them dug a trench? How many of them knew what it meant to go hungry in a rat-infested dug-out? How many of them spent sleepless, frightened nights, ducking shells and shrapnel and machine gun bullets? How many of them were wounded or killed in battle?

Out of war nations acquire additional territory, if they are victorious. They just take it. This newly acquired territory promptly is exploited by the few – the selfsame few who wrung dollars out of blood in the war. The general public shoulders the bill. And what is this bill?

This bill renders a horrible accounting. Newly placed gravestones. Mangled bodies. Shattered minds. Broken hearts and homes. Economic instability. Depression and all its attendant miseries. Back-breaking taxation for generations and generations.

For a great many years, as a soldier, I had a suspicion that war was a racket; not until I retired to civil life did I fully realize it. Now that I see the international war clouds gathering, as they are today, I must face it and speak out.
More:
http://www.wanttoknow.info/warisaracket
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naaman fletcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-10 10:43 AM
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12. Great post Judi, I hadn't seen that before. thanks. nt.
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Oerdin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-10 01:29 AM
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5. Correa is a dope.
Edited on Sun Apr-18-10 01:30 AM by Oerdin
Just like Chavez he's going to do tremendous damage to his country's reputation and economy. We've seen this happen over and over again in the history of Latin America and it never actually results in making things better for the people and instead nationalizations end up chasing off badly needed foreign investment. Notice how the most developed countries in Latin America are those which make it easiest to invest and which respect the rule of law while the countries which erect difficulties for foreign investment and disrespect the rule of law tend not to do well? Correa should be copying Brazil's approach of writing better contracts with foreign investors so that royalty payments go up or down with market prices not copying Chavez's failed policies of stealing assets investors entered into contracts in good faith on and then invested hundreds of millions (if not billions) on. If you do what Correa wants you get a short term gain at the expense of long term growth for the country; growth which a poor country like Ecuador badly needs.

Hell, the American & biggest Euro oil companies already refuse to operate in Ecuador due to being burned by nationalizations in the past and that is why the investors now all come from places like China, Brazil, and Spain. Who will Ecuador turn to once they've also pissed off the second tier companies? Where will they get the money to develop these fields? Who will give them the technology needed since they've screwed over all their partners in the past and ripped up contracts on whims? They've done this not once but multiple times. It just doesn't make long term economic sense to ignore valid contracts and instead what they should be doing is waiting for the contracts to expire and then writing better contracts rather then just ripping contracts up after the companies spent the money in good faith and actually found some modest oil fields. Correa is just grand standing and he's doing real long term harm to his country which the short term gains won't off set just like he did when he decided to default on Ecuador's national debt.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-10 02:18 AM
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7. Timmy, is that you?
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dotymed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-10 10:34 AM
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11. yeah...corporate ownership for the elites!
You tell 'em Oerdin! Those citizens don't deserve the profit from their land. The wealthy, elite corporations will realize that they can't use, abuse and realize unlimited profits from these people so they will shun them....Too bad every country in the world doesn't do this. Then the "elites" would have to respect and share. That would be terrible.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-10 11:24 AM
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14. Venezuela just signed EIGHT corporations, from as many countries, to develop the Orinoco Belt!
And life has never been better for most Venezuelans, who have seen poverty cut in half, extreme poverty cut by 70%, illiteracy virtually eliminated, a doubling of high school and college enrollments, and sizzling economic growth (10% economic growth during the 2003 to 2008 period, with the most growth in the private sector, not including oil), while the government accumulated $50 billion in international cash reserves, giving them flexibility in riding out the Bushwhack Financial 9/11 of September 2008, while they continue fully funding huge new social programs such as free universal medical care, land reform and food and educational support for the poor.

You don't know what you are talking about. You are reading the Milton Friedman handbook without looking at the facts. For instance, you say, "We've seen this happen over and over again in the history of Latin America and it never actually results in making things better for the people and instead nationalizations end up chasing off badly needed foreign investment."

The oil in Venezuela was nationalized by prior governments--NOT the Chavez government. What the Chavez government did was to IMPROVE the oil contracts to benefit Venezuela and its social programs. Prior, rightwing governments were giving the oil away, in a 10/90 split of the profits favoring the multinationals, with the rightwing elite raking off the top for themselves and utterly neglecting the poor majority and the good of the country. The Chavez government renegotiated the contracts, for a 50/50 split of the profits, favoring Venezuela and its social programs, and 60/40 control of the projects, to establish Venezuela's sovereign control of their own resource. Exxon Mobil--the biggest, wealthiest, most powerful corporation on earth--walked out in a snit, and went into a "first world" court to try to seize $12 billion of Venezuela's assets, and lost. The other oil corporations--including Chevron--agreed. And corporations like the Italian ENI were thrilled to get the business and said so in the press conference. They will benefit from the biggest oil reserve on earth--twice Saudi Arabia's--and Exxon Mobil will not, unless, as with Iraq, Exxon Mobil hijacks the U.S. military again, to steal the oil.

It's called COMPETITION--a REAL market! And it is utter bullshit that countries with rich natural resources have to bend over for the likes of Exxon Mobil in order to develop and benefit from their own resources.

You also know absolutely NOTHING about the impacts on the poor majority in Latin America of Milton Friedman's horrors. The so-called "free market"--a lying term if there ever was one--has IMPOVERISHED millions of people and DESTROYED their sovereign control of labor laws, environmental regulation, land use, public services and their entire governments and democracies. Enforced "neo-liberalism"--rule by giant U.S./EU corporations--has further resulted in MASS MURDER of union leaders, political leftists, human rights workers, journalists, peasant farmer organizers and others, and mass displacement of peasant farmers, millions of whom have been driven from their farms by the likes of Chiquita, Monsanto, Occidental Petroleum and the local fascist landlords. The poor end up in urban squalor, unable to feed their families--a big, helpless, desperate labor pool for U.S. corporate sweatshops. These horrors are on-going in the countries where the U.S. still dominates the government--Colombia, Honduras, Peru and Mexico.

Nationalized oil--as in NORWAY--is not a bad thing at all. The oil profits are used to benefit Norwegians. But, prior to the current massive leftist democracy movement in Latin America, the CIA would not tolerate true nationalization in this hemisphere, and destroyed democracy after democracy, to prevent Latin Americans from controlling their own resources and governments. It is a new day in Latin America for many reasons, one of them being the Iraq War, which delegitimized U.S. foreign policy (corporate rule); another being the awesome grass roots movements that have persisted in establishing honest, transparent elections and organizing political campaigns. Thus, they now have REAL leaders, attending to the interests of the majority of the people and the good of the country, instead of "bought and paid for" shills of Washington DC and its corporate puppetmasters and war profiteers, with their lying bullshit about "free markets."

Another thing you know nothing about is World Bank/IMF loan sharks in "third world" countries--how the rightwing elites in countries like Ecuador, Bolivia, Argentina and many others, incurred World Bank/IMF debt, raked off the money and left the poor to pay the debt on draconian terms, including the looting of all social programs, the "privatization" (corporate profiteering) of public services, the establishment of sweatshops and the rape of the country's natural resources. Rafael Correa, president of Ecuador, is a U.S.-educated economist and knows damn well what these loans are about. They were GIVEAWAYS of Ecuador's sovereignty, deliberately designed to impoverish and disempower the people of Ecuador. And the people of Ecuador do not have to tolerate this, to please the corporate dragons of the U.S. and Europe.

Ecuador is now in the driver's seat and we shall see how they do--and that is the case in MANY Latin American countries now, especially the Bolivarian countries--Venezuela, Bolivia, Ecuador. It's interesting how they have influenced other countries. For instance, Brazil's president--a close ally of Hugo Chavez--imposed sovereignty restrictions on Brazil's new oil find, that are very like Venezuela's--insistence on Brazilian majority control and use of the resource to benefit the poor. The ALBA countries--a trade group organized by Venezuela, mostly Central American/Caribbean, but also including Ecuador (which just joined)--is using barter trade, among other things, to strengthen the collective clout of the smaller countries, in opposition to U.S. "free trade for the rich." There are two new concepts that unite most of Latin America--both generated by the people of Venezuela and THEIR government--the first democracy revolution of this era in Latin America--and they are: 1) the sovereignty of Latin American countries, and 2) collective strength in developing their own countries and in dealing with the armed bully to the north. Latin America is, in fact, heading toward a Latin America "common market," while the U.S. State Department, the CIA and the Pentagon are doing everything they can to stop it. As Evo Morales, president of Bolivia, has said, "We want partners, not bosses." But the only thing that our U.S. corporate puppetmasters know how to do is BOSS--BULLY, ARM-TWIST, BRIBE, UNDERMINE with "dirty tricks" and psyops, and if all that fails, INVADE. They DON'T WANT a level playing field. They OPPOSE "free trade"!

We see what "neo-liberalism" has done here--this absolutely phony "doctrine" of the "free market": It has BUSTED the U.S.A., produced millions of unemployed and homeless, ravaged our educational system and other social programs, and enriched the rich. That is what your economic philosophy, laid out in your comment above, leads to. When people bend over for the corporate rulers, and when these anti-democratic powers get their vulture talons in a government, the result is NOT prosperity; the result is POVERTY FOR MOST PEOPLE. What we need--and what many Latin American countries are experimenting with--is a mixed capitalist/socialist economy, with a TRUE "free market" (true competition) combined with social justice and attendance to the general welfare and "the commons" (--that which is owned by everyone, whether public services, public works or natural resources). The "free market" doesn't work with corporate giants gaining huge monopolies over markets and resources and running the government. And I will give you the very best example I know of, of the rampant danger of corporate monopolies.

During the 2002 to 2004 period, electronic voting was fast-tracked all over the U.S., using PRIVATE, CORPORATE electronic voting systems, run on 'TRADE SECRET,' PROPRIETARY programming code--code that you and I have no right to review--with virtually no audit/recount controls. This system is now everywhere, in every state. Half the states do NO AUDIT AT ALL, as a check on machine fraud. The other half do only a miserably inadequate 1% audit. (Experts whom I respect say that 10% is the MINIMUM audit necessary to detect machine fraud). But what is worse is that ES&S just bought out Diebold and now has an 80% MONOPOLY on these voting systems in the U.S. ES&S is even scarier than Diebold on far rightwing connections. So, a far rightwing corporation now basically controls all voting results in the USA.

That is so anti-democratic as to be UNFRIGGINGBELIEVABLE! And, frankly, we get what we deserve if you don't get rid of these PRIVATE voting machines and restore transparent vote counting.

By contrast, Venezuela has electronic voting but it is an OPEN SOURCE system--anyone may review the code by which the votes are tabulated--and they do a whopping 55% audit (comparison of paper ballot to machine totals) as a check on machine fraud--more than five times the minimum needed to detect fraud. IF we were doing this, we would be able to elect a new FDR--as Venezuelans have done--a leader who will REGULATE the banks, slay the corporate dragons (monopolists), encourage small business and competition, attend to the interests of the MAJORITY and create prosperity for ALL--not just for the super-rich and the corporate elite. Venezuelans have gotten themselves a "New Deal." How they did it was TRANSPARENT vote counting.

And, believe me, the corporatists here knew what they were doing when they lobbied the Anthrax Congress to fund this PRIVATE electronic voting machine boondoggle in 2002. They now not only control what you see on TV, what you hear on the radio, what you read in every newspaper, what you are permitted to buy in stores and where and how it was produced, and what ALL of your tax money is used for, they control the results of every election with 'TRADE SECRET' code and you are not permitted to see how they do it!

THAT is NOT a "free market." THAT IS TYRANNY!

:patriot:
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-10 01:30 AM
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6. Good luck to a truly strong, courageous, people-concerned, democratic President.
Edited on Sun Apr-18-10 01:37 AM by Judi Lynn
The right-wing needs to learn that when they kill the good leaders, or destroy them any way they can, they are NOT going to get rid of the steady march to a better world for all people of good faith.

If they murder this great man, there WILL be another rising behind him. The movement out of the darkness, away from the masses being controlled by selfish, self-serving, cowardly, greedy, slimy maggots is going to continue no matter WHAT they do to prevent it.

At some point the right-wing WILL be held accountable for the destruction they have caused humanity. It may be slow getting here, but it will be certain.

Thank you, Andronex.

Recommend.

http://gcenna.files.wordpress.com.nyud.net:8090/2009/09/rafael_correa22.jpg

President Rafael Correa, elected by the PEOPLE.
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nodehopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-10 02:40 AM
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8. Correa is not quite as democratic as he seems, although he has good PR
But the political capital he gets for being tough on oil, he spends on promoting pro-mining laws, with little government controls. Overall, though, of course he is better than Ecuador's previous slew of IMF/World Bank presidents.
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denverbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-10 08:28 AM
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9. Uh-oh. Sounds like Correa just became a brutal dictator.
Happens every time someone nationalizes oil companies.
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dotymed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-10 10:28 AM
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10. Amen. Help the real p e o p l e and you are "insane."
Chavez's "failed policies?" Sure, if you help the poor of your country, the elites don't want to do business with you. Not enough profits or peasants to use and discard for small wages. If all countries would really be "by and for the people", not the corporations, that would change. As it should.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-18-10 10:53 AM
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13. Oh boy, Here we go again, US Oil Gods will be upset, What terror will they cause now?
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