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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 04:28 PM
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Obama: We Will Get the Votes for Health Care Reform Bill
Source: ABC News

President Obama Tells ABC He Thinks Dems Will Pass Bill, in Exclusive Interview

March 15, 2010—

President Obama told ABC News today he is confident that health care reform legislation will pass.

"I believe we are going to get the votes, we're going to make this happen," Obama told ABC's Jake Tapper in an exclusive interview. Obama said Democrats continue to work to get a bill ready for a vote by the end of the week.

Today a fiery Obama made a passionate plea for Congress to pass reform legislation by highlighting the struggle of one Ohio woman facing a serious illness without health insurance.

Natoma Canfield is a 50-year-old cleaning woman and cancer survivor from Medina, Ohio. She says she had to drop her Anthem Blue Cross Blue Shield insurance because her monthly premiums kept skyrocketing.

"You want to know why I'm here, Ohio? I'm here because of Natoma," Obama said in remarks at a senior center. "I'm here because of the countless others who have been forced to face the most terrifying challenges in their lives with the added burden of medical bills they can't pay. I don't think that's right."

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Tapper asked Obama about what his message is to Americans and the members of Congress who are worried about this bill. The president did not directly answer the question but said that most of the "misinformation" circulating about things like so-called "death panels" and a government takeover of health care "turned out not to be true."

Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/president-obama-votes-health-care-reform-bill/story?id=10107746
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 04:34 PM
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1. Most of the misinformation turned out to be not true?
What part of the misinformation turned out to be true?
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 04:46 PM
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2. Misinformation like "I will not sign a bill that does not contain a public option".
Stuff like that.
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Unvanguard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 05:06 PM
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3. Quotation marks do not belong around that statement.
Unless you mean to quote the person who made it up.
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The Hope Mobile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 05:20 PM
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4. Here is the video where Obama says it
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Unvanguard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 05:28 PM
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6. The actual quote is contained right beneath the YouTube video.
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 05:25 PM
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5. .
“That’s why any plan I sign must include an insurance exchange — a one-stop shopping marketplace where you can compare the benefits, costs and track records of a variety of plans, including a public option to increase competition and keep insurance companies honest, and choose what’s best for your family.”

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/12/obama-i-didnt-campaign-on-a-public-option-progressives-excuse-me.php
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Unvanguard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 05:28 PM
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7. That's not the quote you quoted. See above. n/t
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 05:29 PM
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8. Does he say 'public option' or not?
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Unvanguard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 05:30 PM
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9. Obviously Obama has uttered the words "public option" before.
This fact has not escaped me.
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 05:34 PM
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10. Are you attempting to deny that this:
“That’s why any plan I sign must include an insurance exchange — a one-stop shopping marketplace where you can compare the benefits, costs and track records of a variety of plans, including a public option to increase competition and keep insurance companies honest, and choose what’s best for your family.”

promises a public option?
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Unvanguard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 05:41 PM
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11. In a word, yes.
Edited on Mon Mar-15-10 05:42 PM by Unvanguard
Because it doesn't.

It promises an insurance exchange, and proceeds to describe the proposal then on the table for an insurance exchange. It does not say that each particular element in the "variety of plans" mentioned must be retained in order for the bill to be worth signing.

In any case, it is far from as unambiguous a statement as you made it out to be. Obama simply did not say what you said he said--certainly not in those words, and certainly not with that clarity.
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 05:44 PM
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12. What a bunch of crap. You and the DLC deserve each other.
Edited on Mon Mar-15-10 05:46 PM by Edweird
He says it. It's on video. It's very clear. Just like all the other lies he told.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 05:59 PM
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13. Please, get your sorry ass over to Freepland where it belongs you naysaying nannygoat.
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 06:04 PM
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14. It is what it is. DLC=GOP. If you're happy with the way things are going,
Edited on Mon Mar-15-10 06:07 PM by Edweird
you're the one that would feel most comfortable in 'freepland'.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 06:15 PM
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15. Hogshit ! When you can elect 535 far-left progressives give me a call. Until then, we do the best
we can with who we have. Kindly find reality. We don't have another 100 years to waste waiting for pie in the sky. Where's your 535 "progressives"? Where's your national movement for single payer? Where's your millions for singlepayer march on DC? Put up or shut up.
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 06:22 PM
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17. I'm in reality, thank you very much. The union busting is unacceptable.
Edited on Mon Mar-15-10 06:23 PM by Edweird
The inclusion of 'republican ideas' when, if the bill is passed, will be done through reconciliation. With NO REPUBLICAN VOTES. That garbage is there because the administration wants it there - no other reason.
I don't need 'far left' - I just want Democrats. If that sounds 'far left', then get YOUR ass to 'freepland'.
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The Hope Mobile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 06:28 PM
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18. :-) True that! nt
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The Hope Mobile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 06:17 PM
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16. + 1 you're dead on.
Denial is an amazing thing.
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 01:26 AM
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22. Holy hell. There's more parsing there than in a parsnip salad.
:crazy:
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smiley_glad_hands Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 07:53 PM
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19. Lets this over with, pass the bill already.
Its time to fish or cut bait Democrats.
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SandWalker1984 Donating Member (533 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 08:14 PM
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20. If this bill is signed into law, it will be American enslavement to corporate rule
Debbierlus posted on the following on DU back on November 21st. Now is an excellent time to remind everyone of what Debbierlus said.

Health Insurance Reform: The Enslavement of American Citizens to Corporate Rule

After months of silent, closed door negotiations between the holy trinity (the executive branch, the congress, & the health care industry), we stand on the brink of health insurance reform.

Health insurance reform. Do not confuse this with health care reform as that was never the intent of this legislation. This is not a minor point. Health care reform would have addressed the central problem of our current health care system and confronted the reality that in order to provide universal, affordable health care for all citizens, we would need to stop treating human health as a commodity. It would have taken a moral imperative to place human life over profit. But, right from the very beginning, the central GOAL in creating this legislation was just the opposite, the development of a plan that not only maintained, but expanded the ability of the health care industry (private insurers, big pharm, large hospitals) to profit off human illness.

And, that has what has been created. A bill that enshrines private health care companies as the government mandated model for health care administration. A bill that will provide 70 billion dollars in subsidies to private insurance companies, at the expense of universal, affordable coverage for every American citizen. A bill that negotiated away the government's ability to stop big pharm price gouging, in exchange for a phony bargain where the pharmaceutical companies would cut up to 8 billion dollars in costs over the next ten years while they elevated prices 10 billion this year alone. A bill that does not allow reimportation of drugs from Canada and holds the American people hostage to a mob type system of pay or die. Under this bill, millions will not be able to afford their prescriptions. Millions more will be forced to choose medication, food, or heat.

Under this bill, denial of care will be allowed for a thousand other reasons then the sole prohibited exception of a preexisting condition.

Under this bill, health care coverage will remain a game of chance.

Under this system, class difference may still determine whether you live or die.



The promoters of this legislation claim that this bill will provide health insurance to 96% of the population. But, they fail to note that doesn't mean it provides health care to 96% of the American people. The reality is that tens of millions will only be able to afford plans that provide either minimal or catastrophic coverage. Millions more will opt out entirely and pay the fine to avoid tax penalties or jail time. Millions more won't be able to pay the fine, and they will incur a thousand dollar penalty in addition to the hundreds of dollars they could not afford to pay to opt out. Or, they will go to jail.

Bankruptcy from medical bills will continue en force with this legislation. The most affordable 'comprehensive' policies are allowed to only cover up to 60% of costs. If anyone with a 'comprehensive' policy such as this meets with the bad fate of a chronic or life threatening illness (or even a single hospitalization), they will stand in very real danger of being financially ruined even with their insurance coverage.

Under pressure from the executive branch, the Congress removed the only strong amendment in the House bill that would allow a state from emancipating from the enslavement to corporate insurance by developing their own single payer plans. The Kucinich amendment which would have prevented insurance companies from suing states who developed single payer at the state level is gone. So, yes. That means states can be SUED by private insurance companies for developing an alternate system that would provide universal, affordable and comprehensive coverage to its citizens.

Industry profit above all else.

This reform is being accepted from the American people out of ignorance and sheer and total desperation. We have acquiesced to the corporate dictate for so long, we forget that we even have the alternative to fight back against policies that put our very lives at risk for the sole purpose of corporate and shareholder profit. We have become so accustomed to the myth of compromise,
we have relinquished our principles to the point of our own powerlessnes. So, it is with this legislation. Better to take what crumbs are thrown, then to stand on conviction and demand true reform. Something is better then nothing. Our fear is so great, we cower and give up before we even begin to fight. But, until we break this circle, we will be left with less and less, and our power to influence will be all but impotent.

This legislation was written to save the health insurance system from the collapse which was soon to come. A collapse which very well could have precipitated the transition to single payer.

Why are we reviving the beast?

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We should not settle for crumbs. The Senate bill, which the House is about to rubberstamp, is about MANDATING INSURANCE, NOT ABOUT BETTER HEALTH CARE. Insurance does not = health care. Health insurance companies make profits by DENYING THEIR CUSTOMERS HEALTH CARE.

I refuse to go along and play along. If the Senate version of the bill had been proposed and passed by Republicans, most of you would be screaming your heads off about how bad the bill was, how many loopholes it contains, how it is nothing more than mandated profits for the insurance industry and how the Republicans are owned by corporations. Sticking a "D" next to the bill doesn't make the pile of shit smell any better.

If the Senate bill passes and is signed into law by Obama, WE WILL ALL BE GIVING UP ALL CHANCE OF TRUE HEALTH CARE REFORM in our lifetimes. The health care industry, who is already powerful enough to control the writing of this bill will gain even more money, more power and more control over future members of Congress. They will not allow future regulation or legislation that will impact the way they do business or their profits.

I voted for change we can believe in, NOT corporate chains we will be in.




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SlingBlade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 08:33 PM
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21. Obama: We Will Get the Votes for Health Care Reform Bill
I wanna hear this shit come November once people start to understand what a pus filled
piece of shit Obama and the Millionaires Club has pushed down their throats in place
of real reform, Medicare for all which they killed.

Hypocrisy !
It's a helava lot easier than Principles
and you can always blame a Progressive
Rham Emmanuel

Bunch of Corporate Whores





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