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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 03:35 PM
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Marine Corps Commandant: Don't Change 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'
Source: ABC News

Senior Military Officer Gen. James Conway Said Current Policy Works Just Fine

One of the military's senior officers did not shy away from telling Congress this week that he thinks the current "don't ask, don't tell", law barring gays and lesbians from serving openly in the military should not be repealed.

Marine Corps Commandant Gen. James Conway told the Senate Armed Services Committee Thursday that he does not think the law should be changed.

"At this point, I think that the current policy works," Conway said. "My best military advice to this committee, to the secretary, to the president would be to keep the law such as it is."

Conway said he looks at the issue strictly from the point of view of whether changing the law would "enhance the war-fighting capabilities of the United States Marine Corps by allowing homosexuals to openly serve."

Earlier this month, Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, presented the administration's proposal that Congress repeal "don't ask, don't tell". At the time, Mullen said he supported changing the policy because letting gays serve openly in the military would be "the right thing to do."

Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/marine-corps-commandant-james-conway-works/story?id=9948516
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 03:38 PM
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1. So what happened to the chain of command?
His superiors have already expressed support for repeal of this policy.

So why is anybody even asking him what his opinion is? It doesn't matter.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 03:47 PM
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2. To give cover to the scum, ie., Republicans in the Senate to
oppose it.
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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 07:21 PM
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10. The folks in Congress asked him.
They have a legal right to do so. He has a right to his opinion, even if it runs counter to what the SecDef or JCS think.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 08:59 PM
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11. Another Homophobe
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 03:59 PM
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3. At that time, I heard a report (CNN?) that the Marines were not on
board at this time. I had just deducted that was why they
needed the time prescribed to study how best to implement.

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Journeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 04:07 PM
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4. Ah, yet another reason to be thankful our military is civilian-controlled . . .
and for all its imperfections, we live in an ostensibly democratic society.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 04:33 PM
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5. I really can't think of anyone whose opinion
I would value less........
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greiner3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 04:34 PM
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6. "Marine Corps Commandant: Don't Change 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell''
He's gay!
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 04:49 PM
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7. lotta closet gays in the marines who joined thinking it would cure them lol nt
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 06:56 PM
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8. Sit down and shut up, you bigoted asshole
Nobody cares what you think. You just have to do what they tell you to do.
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Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 07:07 PM
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9. If Senior Military Officer Gen. James Conway doesn't like it then HE needs to get out!
Time to retire Sir!
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 09:07 PM
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12. Obama should do what Bush would have done...change the commandant!!
Edited on Fri Feb-26-10 09:07 PM by defendandprotect
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seeinfweggos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-26-10 09:09 PM
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13. not surprised
from what i have heard it the marine corps is the only branch pushing back on this behind the scenes.
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keopeli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 01:13 AM
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14. I think they may be concerned that it will impact their "tough guy" brand the most.
We've seen this countless times.

The Univ. of Hawaii changed their mascot from the "Rainbows" to the "Warriors" and their color from the full spectrum rainbow to just green and white, all because they were made fun of by an opposing team at an away football game as being gay.

The truth is that I know many, many, many gay marines. They are BUTCH men that I would WANT on my advertising for the Marines. The problem is that these higher-ups have no idea how many gay marines there really are. They probably think they have a tiny percentage when in fact, I believe it's much larger.

In any case, their fears are unfounded. It's their own homophobia that terrifies them. Everyone else out here in the real world is just fine...



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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 06:17 PM
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15. "All we need is a few good men," which means, not Conway
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-27-10 09:40 PM
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16. Not your call, General.
But thanks for your input Mr Helper!
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pipoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-10 09:00 AM
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21. Dupe
Edited on Mon Mar-01-10 09:01 AM by pipoman
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wmbrew0206 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-10 08:42 AM
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18. A lot of you need to chill on Conway and the Marines
First, I completely disagree with Conroy on this issue. DADT needs to go.

Second, in the military you are allowed to express your opinion up until a decision is made. There has been no formal decision made and Conway as the service chief of the Marine Corps is completely within his right to express his opinion, as he is the subject matter expert on the Marine Corps' ability to implement the repeal of DADT.

Third, Conway was not expressing his personal views on DADT, he was expressing it for his position as the head of one of two branches of the military that responsible for land warfare. In the OP's post Conway said "looks at the issue strictly from the point of view of whether changing the law would "enhance the war-fighting capabilities of the United States Marine Corps..."I disagree with this, but I would like to know if Conway but a qualifier or time horizon on his comments. Simply put, repealing DADT will take a lot of effort for the military in all manner of ways. Ultimately the force will be stronger for it, but for a while it will cause some upheaval. BTW, this is what the Army and Air Force chief both said and I don't see the hate spewed at them that Conway is receiving. I'm willing to bet Conway personally would not mind to see DADT be repealed.

Finally, to the poster who referred to the Marine Corps as the mental wasteland of the US military, get a F-ing clue. The Marine Corps expects more, gives more tactical freedom to, and has accomplished more with less due to the mental abilities of their junior NCO's and officers. This is also why the Army is now imitating the Marine Corp in how they organize and fight. It is also the only service that encourages respectful dissent of established policies in its official professional publications. If you tried that in any other service publication, it would be the end of your career.
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optimator Donating Member (606 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-10 08:56 AM
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19. this is the consequence of not firing McChrystal
Conway knows he can be insubordinate and Obama will not do a damn thing about it.
You never show weakness to the war chiefs, now they own his ass permanently.
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wmbrew0206 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-10 08:58 AM
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20. Please explain how Conway was insubordinate...
and define what you think insubordination is in relation to the US Military.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-10 03:58 PM
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27. Apples and Oranges
McChrystal had a press conference and gave his unsolicited views on foreign policy which is out of line for somebody in the military to do since foreign policy is supposed to be made by civilians and not the military.

Conway was invited to a hearing and asked for his opinion about a matter of military policy, something that congress does routinely. In those circumstances he was perfectly entitled to express an opinion that differs from that of his commander-in-chief, even if his opinion is wrong.
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activa8tr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-10 09:31 AM
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23. We CERTAINLY don NOT want any U. S. Marines openly admitting to
being gay, do we? I mean, if ONE Marine is gay, that means they ALL must be gay, or, at least, they are, as a group, not as MANLY as they want to be!!!

:sarcasm:
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-10 11:01 AM
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24. Can President Obama fire or demote this clown?
The law is going to be changed and I don't feel this man is going to do all he can to make it an easy transition. Get rid of him and get someone who the President can count on to follow his orders.
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classysassy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-10 12:04 PM
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25. Once upon a time in america
the commanders followed the orders of their commander in chief.Where is Harry Truman when we need him?Remember the fate of General MacArthur?
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wmbrew0206 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-10 01:38 PM
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26. A LOT OF YOU NEED TO GET A F-ing CLUE
I'll try to make this as clear as possible: NO DECISION ON DADT HAS BEEN MADE!

Until there is, the Service Chief as being asked for their input about changing the policy since they will be the ones to implement it. Conway is not being insubordinate and I dare any of you to prove he is.

Whether you agree with Conway or not, and I don't, to ignore his opinion, question his ability to serve, or call him a homophobe is ignorant and makes you look like a stupid. Once a decision is made, Conway will do his best to implement it to the fullest of his ability because that is what Marines do.
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classysassy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-10 08:08 PM
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28.  A marine
tossing the word stupid around,I was in the navy and we always thought that jarheads were stupid.
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wmbrew0206 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-10 08:11 PM
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29. Well, Marines apperciate the service of our shipmates and
refrain from making sweeping judgments of the intelligence of other service members.
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pipoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-10 09:28 PM
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30. I spent a week on Pendleton
in Dec. Hung out in the barracks and with a bunch of 'jarheads', not one disparaging comment about any other service member, even while hanging out in San Diego and encountering bunches of sailors..class..
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