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kpete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 12:41 PM Original message |
Sanders: Senate has the votes to pass public option via reconciliation |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 12:42 PM Response to Original message |
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pleah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 01:00 PM Response to Original message |
2. K&R |
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Pirate Smile (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 01:03 PM Response to Original message |
3. They will have to do it in public so they should all be willing to say it now. |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 01:05 PM Response to Original message |
4. K&R |
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Kingofalldems (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 01:13 PM Response to Original message |
5. Yeah..... yeah! |
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caraher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 01:14 PM Response to Original message |
6. Don't we need 51? |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 01:22 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Once you have fifty, you get Biden... |
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4lbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 02:21 PM Response to Reply #8 |
17. Doesn't the VP come into play ONLY if there's a tie? If the vote is 50-48 because several Senators |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 03:11 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. That's a good question! |
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AllyCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 03:36 PM Response to Reply #17 |
24. Then we wheel them into the room in straight jackets and get a ventriloquist |
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Big Orange Jeff (136 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 04:32 PM Response to Reply #17 |
28. That's exactly right, the VP only votes to break ties... |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 05:24 PM Response to Reply #17 |
36. I think a simple majority of those voting carries it. |
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wryter2000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 05:28 PM Response to Reply #17 |
37. Not exactly |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 08:18 PM Response to Reply #37 |
72. I thought votes that will result in increasing the deficit require 3/5 ? |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 10:18 AM Response to Reply #72 |
78. The reconciliation fixes will not increase the deficit |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 07:21 PM Response to Reply #37 |
82. My bad. Forgot to mention that the Constitution requires 2/3 votes sometimes. Those occasions have |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 05:59 PM Response to Reply #17 |
40. No |
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4lbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 06:04 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. Ah. Good to know. I was always fuzzy on that aspect. Good to know it's a majority of those voting |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 08:00 PM Response to Reply #17 |
71. You are correct about the Constitution as to the VP voting only when there is a tie, but I wonder if |
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Big Orange Jeff (136 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 04:30 PM Response to Reply #8 |
26. Self-delete |
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Dulcinea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 10:18 AM Response to Reply #8 |
65. So do it already! |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 01:47 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. How many times do we have to say 50 + 1VP. Even Cheney was a tie breaker. |
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caraher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 02:13 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. DOH! |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 08:32 PM Response to Reply #13 |
73. A tie is a tie. It does not have to be 50-50. |
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caraher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 07:44 AM Response to Reply #73 |
74. I never said there weren't *other* ties |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 10:32 AM Response to Reply #73 |
79. The rules require 50 votes, 51 if there is a tie |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 06:48 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. What is the number of the Senate Rule to which you are referring? Or do you have a link? |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 07:45 PM Response to Reply #80 |
84. Looking for links, I apologize - you are right |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 01:16 PM Response to Original message |
7. He "thinks" they have |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 01:52 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. You can help whip the votes yourself. Both my Senators support |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 01:59 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. I called the one senator from my state who has not signed on |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 02:19 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. You're welcome. |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 10:53 AM Response to Reply #10 |
66. They should bloody well sign it, with a note that they don't think it's strong ENOUGH. |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
12. What kind of public option? |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 02:20 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. Give them the courage to stand up for simple majority. |
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bkozumplik (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 04:30 PM Response to Reply #12 |
27. who are you referring to on your comment? |
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winyanstaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 02:18 PM Response to Original message |
14. K & R |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 02:40 PM Response to Original message |
18. So do it already, goddammit!!! Let's stop pussyfooting around!!! |
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burning rain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 02:58 PM Response to Original message |
19. He also said the Senate would pass a public option befote it passed its no-p.o. bill. |
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Dr.Phool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 03:06 PM Response to Original message |
20. Then, get off their fucking asses |
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benld74 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 03:06 PM Response to Original message |
21. They may have the votes, BUT nobody has the balls,,, |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 03:23 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Senator Bennet is taking some heat right now. |
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GreenTea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 04:20 PM Response to Original message |
25. They keep saying it, but the weak-kneed Democratas never use this very legal option as the majority |
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earcandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 10:05 PM Response to Reply #25 |
51. They are not weak kneed. They are greedy for the lobby money and don't want to lose it either. |
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Q3JR4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 04:34 PM Response to Original message |
29. If the dems decide to go it alone with reconciliation |
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nradisic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 04:34 PM Response to Original message |
30. Git 'er done... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 04:41 PM Response to Original message |
31. The health hearings today and Obama looked idiotic in NOT discussing Medicare for all -- |
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601Liberal (132 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 04:43 PM Response to Original message |
32. Do it and do it now! |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 04:48 PM Response to Original message |
33. Including the public option |
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punkin87 (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 05:20 PM Response to Original message |
34. If every state elected a Bernie Sanders, this country's government would rock! |
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Dinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 07:02 PM Response to Reply #34 |
44. You Mean President, Right? |
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pezDispenser (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 11:26 PM Response to Reply #44 |
56. nice sig, love that song |
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SlingBlade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 05:21 PM Response to Original message |
35. Who's lying now ChangeAholics ? |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 05:37 PM Response to Original message |
38. Cool! My Senator signed up - I know that |
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mckara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 05:39 PM Response to Original message |
39. WE NEED THE PUBLIC OPTION!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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CONN (249 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 06:28 PM Response to Original message |
42. K&R |
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Dinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 07:02 PM Response to Original message |
43. Rec # 108 And A Kick From Da Ding! |
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Overseas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 07:03 PM Response to Original message |
45. Yes Please !! //nt |
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PoliticalOne65 (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 07:35 PM Response to Original message |
46. The Senate already passed the bill. |
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Rozlee (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 10:34 PM Response to Reply #46 |
53. There's the rub |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 02:41 AM Response to Reply #46 |
58. They can still pass a public option under the budget reconciliation process as a stand alone bill |
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Suji to Seoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 09:00 PM Response to Original message |
47. For all those who have been flippantly ridiculing me for posting my HCR Reconciliation Threads; |
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humbled_opinion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 09:13 PM Response to Original message |
48. Well I hope that Democrats |
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FourScore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 09:19 PM Response to Original message |
49. K&R |
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ananda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 09:39 PM Response to Original message |
50. OMG. Please let it happen. |
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and-justice-for-all (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 10:21 PM Response to Original message |
52. If Dems what to save themselves.... |
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glinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 10:42 PM Response to Original message |
54. oh please please please. |
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pezDispenser (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 11:05 PM Response to Original message |
55. list them |
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jannyk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 01:13 AM Response to Original message |
57. Just Fucking Do It!!!! |
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DisgustedInMN (956 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 07:11 AM Response to Original message |
59. If Dems fails to pass a HCR that.. |
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stillwaiting (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 08:30 AM Response to Reply #59 |
60. And as a lame duck, Obama will suddenly become a much more vocal proponent |
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DisgustedInMN (956 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 08:58 AM Response to Reply #60 |
61. To be blunt... |
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girl_interrupted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 10:17 AM Response to Reply #59 |
64. K&R |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 09:10 AM Response to Original message |
62. OK. So Why did the WH claim they did NOT have the votes? |
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European Socialist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 10:03 AM Response to Original message |
63. Bernie comes on Thom Hartmann's radio show at noon here... |
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Triana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 11:52 AM Response to Original message |
67. Of course they do. "We don't have the votes" in this administration means... |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 12:06 PM Response to Original message |
68. Just DO IT!...or admit Nader was right. |
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SLSmith (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 12:38 PM Response to Original message |
69. VID Sanders 2/26 Public Option Maybe Off Obama's Agenda But It Ain't Off My Agenda! |
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Kingofalldems (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 12:40 PM Response to Original message |
70. Kick |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 08:04 AM Response to Original message |
75. Just do it! |
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Dinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 09:23 AM Response to Original message |
76. Keeping This Kicked (nt) |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 10:04 AM Response to Original message |
77. K |
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mvd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 07:00 PM Response to Original message |
81. Kick - if true, there's no excuse not to go forward |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 07:34 PM Response to Original message |
83. Reconciliation is only for budget. So, if health care reform passes by reconciliation, does that |
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mvd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 07:50 PM Response to Reply #83 |
85. Most of those things should be able to pass separately |
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