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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:31 PM
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Internet note posted by man linked to plane crash
Source: Austin American-Statesman

Editor’s note: We found this note on a Web site being pointed at by social media users. A search showed the domain that the note was posted on is registered to Joe Stack of San Marcos. A man by the same name, who has addresses in both Austin and San Marcos has been linked to today’s airplane crash.

If you’re reading this, you’re no doubt asking yourself, “Why did this have to happen?” The simple truth is that it is complicated and has been coming for a long time. The writing process, started many months ago, was intended to be therapy in the face of the looming realization that there isn’t enough therapy in the world that can fix what is really broken. Needless to say, this rant could fill volumes with example after example if I would let it. I find the process of writing it frustrating, tedious, and probably pointless… especially given my gross inability to gracefully articulate my thoughts in light of the storm raging in my head. Exactly what is therapeutic about that I’m not sure, but desperate times call for desperate measures.

We are all taught as children that without laws there would be no society, only anarchy. Sadly, starting at early ages we in this country have been brainwashed to believe that, in return for our dedication and service, our government stands for justice for all. We are further brainwashed to believe that there is freedom in this place, and that we should be ready to lay our lives down for the noble principals represented by its founding fathers. Remember? One of these was “no taxation without representation”. I have spent the total years of my adulthood unlearning that crap from only a few years of my childhood. These days anyone who really stands up for that principal is promptly labeled a “crackpot”, traitor and worse.

While very few working people would say they haven’t had their fair share of taxes (as can I), in my lifetime I can say with a great degree of certainty that there has never been a politician cast a vote on any matter with the likes of me or my interests in mind. Nor, for that matter, are they the least bit interested in me or anything I have to say.

Why is it that a handful of thugs and plunderers can commit unthinkable atrocities (and in the case of the GM executives, for scores of years) and when it’s time for their gravy train to crash under the weight of their gluttony and overwhelming stupidity, the force of the full federal government has no difficulty coming to their aid within days if not hours? Yet at the same time, the joke we call the American medical system, including the drug and insurance companies, are murdering tens of thousands of people a year and stealing from the corpses and victims they cripple, and this country’s leaders don’t see this as important as bailing out a few of their vile, rich cronies. Yet, the political “representatives” (thieves, liars, and self-serving scumbags is far more accurate) have endless time to sit around for year after year and debate the state of the “terrible health care problem”. It’s clear they see no crisis as long as the dead people don’t get in the way of their corporate profits rolling in.

And justice? You’ve got to be kidding!


Read more: http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/blotter/entries/2010/02/18/internet_note_posted_by_man_li.html?cxntcid=breaking_news



website with full note: http://embeddedart.com/
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:38 PM
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1. Sounds like the unabomber with a pilot's license
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:42 PM
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5. my first thoughts as well
disjointed, etc
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 03:14 PM
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56. 'These days anyone who really stands up for that principal is promptly labeled a “crackpot”'
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Doremus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:38 PM
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Wow. Just wow. nt
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:38 PM
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2. Wow. Echoes of Derek Bainbridge
British news organizations reported today that a man killed when his car exploded in flames about 120 feet from Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher's official residence had left a suicide note protesting unemployment.

The Press Association, a British news agency, said the driver wrote, ''Too young to retire, too old to live.''

Police bomb squad officers raced to 10 Downing Street about 1 A.M. today fearing a terrorist attack, but the authorities said no explosives were found.

...

A London radio station, Independent Radio News, said the driver had been out of work for more than a year and had killed himself to protest unemployment. Scotland Yard did not identify the man pending an autopsy.

http://www.nytimes.com/1988/02/17/world/downing-st-car-fire-death-called-suicide.html?pagewanted=1
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:40 PM
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3. I don't agree with what this guy did (if he's one and the same), but he makes good points.
Edited on Thu Feb-18-10 01:42 PM by AndyA
We've spent how much since 9/11? More people die every month in this country due to lack of health care than were killed on 9/11. What does that say about our country? We won't tolerate anyone planning an attack that kills thousands of people, but we will look the other way month after month while even larger numbers of people die because we allow corporations to decide who lives and who dies?

That is pretty pathetic.

It only begins to make sense when you check to see who profits from war, and who profits from allowing health insurers to control their industry. :(
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hamsterjill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 03:11 PM
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54. I felt about the same
When I read the guy's note, I found myself understanding well much of what he had written. I, too, echo your comment that I certainly DO NOT condone what he did. But I do understand the degree of frustration that is evident in his writing.

I suppose we each have our own limits as to how much we can/would/could tolerate. For most of us, we would react in sane, legal, common sense ways. For others, like this gentleman, I would guess that what he did today seemed like the right thing for him (in his own mind) to do. But it was not.

I'm sorry for the people who have been hurt by his actions, including his own family members.

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jaksavage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 12:00 PM
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98. These words hold some truth
No doubt people on these boards have repeated this frustration with Govt.
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:42 PM
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4. Anti-tax, anti-gov't nutter. -eom
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zanana1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 04:02 PM
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65. I agree....
And I'll bet that, instead of being called a terrorist, which he was, he'll be a martyr for any anti-government nuts out there. CNN was quick to point out that it was probably the work of a terrorist, but since the truth came out, I haven't heard them say that word once.
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 04:37 PM
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70. it's the same formless resentment, arising out of con-neolib elitism,
the failure of the most recent mass movement--Obamism--to produce real change outside of a few sectors, the lure of libert/Teabagger "anti-statists,"

and the TOTAL LACK OF A LEFT WING IN AMERICA

that created this situation

if we had a Bennite party or party faction, its policies would've undone the Geithnerites' giveaways as people lose jobs and homes, and we'd have real HCR instead of a giveaway; furthermore, lefties would draw attention to the fact that their policies are helping those thrown out on their ears.

if we had Marxists and Deep Greens in public discourse we'd be aware of a lot more possibilities for conscientization, life, and society, and question why we can't have them

ultimately, the fault lies with the US Dems and Britain's Labour--not the cons! good policies, and the strength that attracts low-information voters, comes from the left. 40% of Americans are okay with socialism, meaning that 80% are okay with it if you don't give it that name. thus, it is not the conservative faction that's blocking any leftward shift, it's the Reids and Pelosis and Schumers and Bayhs and Obamas and D--steins and N--erlands and J--cintos that are blocking change and criticism. and liberals' tail-between-legs returns whenever they're thrown a bone ("HCR must be passed so people don't die, thanks to the $20M clinic funding") or constant excuse-making ("the Senate bill is the worst thing to happen since Plessy and will reduce American poor to the status of Colombia's slum dwellers, but we have to pass it if it saves even 10 lives"). and of course there's the empty theater ("OMG, the Big O PWNED the Repubs at their breakfast!!!!"). all of this fails to mask the gleichschaltet consensus that "handouts" and "entitlements" are bad, and that we should continue to feed the sparrows through the horse, and that we can't pull out of Iraqanistan because it would "compromise security" and "invite chaos."

on a more optimistic note, Americans, including undergraduates, are increasingly learning of the atrocities the US has been committing during the Cold War; Moscow's post-1953 villainies (that's, what, securing its buffer states, supporting the Derg, and recklessly bombing Afghanistan? the CIA can reach that level of horror over a 5-year slow period) are chump change. this should lead more to Marxism (as it did with me--compare my DU posts from '05 to those from '08), which is losing its McCarthy- and ADA-fomented stigma.
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:42 PM
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6. WOW!
Just wow.
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:48 PM
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10. in which way?
:shrug:
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:53 PM
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13. What us are you talking about, there?
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Bette Noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:46 PM
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8. So, he crashed into an IRS building to protest the bank and auto industry bailouts,
and the lack of universal health care? And he complains about being labeled a "crackpot"? Massive fail.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 02:00 PM
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17. He was just misunderstood.
If necessary :sarcasm:
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Chicago dyke Donating Member (127 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:49 PM
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11. real, copy cat fake, dumb media people falling for a joke, or plant?
anyone? be sure to read the whole thing. it's fascinating.
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:52 PM
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12. Sure as hell wasn't written after the crash
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 07:10 PM
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84. OR was it?
LOST has infected my life. It makes more sense than this country. HA!
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:54 PM
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14. The Manifesto of Austin Texas Crash Pilot Joseph Stack
Edited on Thu Feb-18-10 01:47 PM by JackRiddler
Source: Business Insider

Joe Weisenthal | Feb. 18, 2010, 1:11 PM | 13,747 | 27

Wow.


Check out the anti-big brother rant on EmbeddedArt.com that's almost certainly from the pilot of the crash.

The manifesto is dated today, and it even anticipated his death.



Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/joseph-andrew-stacks-insane-manifesto-2010-2



THE SITE, APPARENTLY DISCOVERED BY JOE WEISENTHAL OF BUSINESS INSIDER, IS STILL ACCESSIBLE!

http://embeddedart.com/

THIS IS THE COMPLETE TEXT FROM EMBEDDEDART.COM, WHICH I BELIEVE IS NOW A PUBLIC DOMAIN HISTORICAL RECORD.

Page title: "Well Mr. Big Brother IRS Man... Take My Pound of Flesh and Sleep Well"

If you’re reading this, you’re no doubt asking yourself, “Why did this have to happen?” The simple truth is that it is complicated and has been coming for a long time. The writing process, started many months ago, was intended to be therapy in the face of the looming realization that there isn’t enough therapy in the world that can fix what is really broken. Needless to say, this rant could fill volumes with example after example if I would let it. I find the process of writing it frustrating, tedious, and probably pointless… especially given my gross inability to gracefully articulate my thoughts in light of the storm raging in my head. Exactly what is therapeutic about that I’m not sure, but desperate times call for desperate measures.

We are all taught as children that without laws there would be no society, only anarchy. Sadly, starting at early ages we in this country have been brainwashed to believe that, in return for our dedication and service, our government stands for justice for all. We are further brainwashed to believe that there is freedom in this place, and that we should be ready to lay our lives down for the noble principals represented by its founding fathers. Remember? One of these was “no taxation without representation”. I have spent the total years of my adulthood unlearning that crap from only a few years of my childhood. These days anyone who really stands up for that principal is promptly labeled a “crackpot”, traitor and worse.

While very few working people would say they haven’t had their fair share of taxes (as can I), in my lifetime I can say with a great degree of certainty that there has never been a politician cast a vote on any matter with the likes of me or my interests in mind. Nor, for that matter, are they the least bit interested in me or anything I have to say.

Why is it that a handful of thugs and plunderers can commit unthinkable atrocities (and in the case of the GM executives, for scores of years) and when it’s time for their gravy train to crash under the weight of their gluttony and overwhelming stupidity, the force of the full federal government has no difficulty coming to their aid within days if not hours? Yet at the same time, the joke we call the American medical system, including the drug and insurance companies, are murdering tens of thousands of people a year and stealing from the corpses and victims they cripple, and this country’s leaders don’t see this as important as bailing out a few of their vile, rich cronies. Yet, the political “representatives” (thieves, liars, and self-serving scumbags is far more accurate) have endless time to sit around for year after year and debate the state of the “terrible health care problem”. It’s clear they see no crisis as long as the dead people don’t get in the way of their corporate profits rolling in.

And justice? You’ve got to be kidding!

How can any rational individual explain that white elephant conundrum in the middle of our tax system and, indeed, our entire legal system? Here we have a system that is, by far, too complicated for the brightest of the master scholars to understand. Yet, it mercilessly “holds accountable” its victims, claiming that they’re responsible for fully complying with laws not even the experts understand. The law “requires” a signature on the bottom of a tax filing; yet no one can say truthfully that they understand what they are signing; if that’s not “duress” than what is. If this is not the measure of a totalitarian regime, nothing is.

How did I get here?

My introduction to the real American nightmare starts back in the early ‘80s. Unfortunately after more than 16 years of school, somewhere along the line I picked up the absurd, pompous notion that I could read and understand plain English. Some friends introduced me to a group of people who were having ‘tax code’ readings and discussions. In particular, zeroed in on a section relating to the wonderful “exemptions” that make institutions like the vulgar, corrupt Catholic Church so incredibly wealthy. We carefully studied the law (with the help of some of the “best”, high-paid, experienced tax lawyers in the business), and then began to do exactly what the “big boys” were doing (except that we weren’t steeling from our congregation or lying to the government about our massive profits in the name of God). We took a great deal of care to make it all visible, following all of the rules, exactly the way the law said it was to be done.

The intent of this exercise and our efforts was to bring about a much-needed re-evaluation of the laws that allow the monsters of organized religion to make such a mockery of people who earn an honest living. However, this is where I learned that there are two “interpretations” for every law; one for the very rich, and one for the rest of us… Oh, and the monsters are the very ones making and enforcing the laws; the inquisition is still alive and well today in this country.

That little lesson in patriotism cost me $40,000+, 10 years of my life, and set my retirement plans back to 0. It made me realize for the first time that I live in a country with an ideology that is based on a total and complete lie. It also made me realize, not only how naive I had been, but also the incredible stupidity of the American public; that they buy, hook, line, and sinker, the crap about their “freedom”… and that they continue to do so with eyes closed in the face of overwhelming evidence and all that keeps happening in front of them.

Before even having to make a shaky recovery from the sting of the first lesson on what justice really means in this country (around 1984 after making my way through engineering school and still another five years of “paying my dues”), I felt I finally had to take a chance of launching my dream of becoming an independent engineer.

On the subjects of engineers and dreams of independence, I should digress somewhat to say that I’m sure that I inherited the fascination for creative problem solving from my father. I realized this at a very young age.

The significance of independence, however, came much later during my early years of college; at the age of 18 or 19 when I was living on my own as student in an apartment in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. My neighbor was an elderly retired woman (80+ seemed ancient to me at that age) who was the widowed wife of a retired steel worker. Her husband had worked all his life in the steel mills of central Pennsylvania with promises from big business and the union that, for his 30 years of service, he would have a pension and medical care to look forward to in his retirement. Instead he was one of the thousands who got nothing because the incompetent mill management and corrupt union (not to mention the government) raided their pension funds and stole their retirement. All she had was social security to live on.

In retrospect, the situation was laughable because here I was living on peanut butter and bread (or Ritz crackers when I could afford to splurge) for months at a time. When I got to know this poor figure and heard her story I felt worse for her plight than for my own (I, after all, I thought I had everything to in front of me). I was genuinely appalled at one point, as we exchanged stories and commiserated with each other over our situations, when she in her grandmotherly fashion tried to convince me that I would be “healthier” eating cat food (like her) rather than trying to get all my substance from peanut butter and bread. I couldn’t quite go there, but the impression was made. I decided that I didn’t trust big business to take care of me, and that I would take responsibility for my own future and myself.

Return to the early ‘80s, and here I was off to a terrifying start as a ‘wet-behind-the-ears’ contract software engineer... and two years later, thanks to the fine backroom, midnight effort by the sleazy executives of Arthur Andersen (the very same folks who later brought us Enron and other such calamities) and an equally sleazy New York Senator (Patrick Moynihan), we saw the passage of 1986 tax reform act with its section 1706.

For you who are unfamiliar, here is the core text of the IRS Section 1706, defining the treatment of workers (such as contract engineers) for tax purposes. Visit this link for a conference committee report (http://www.synergistech.com/1706.shtml#ConferenceCommitteeReport) regarding the intended interpretation of Section 1706 and the relevant parts of Section 530, as amended. For information on how these laws affect technical services workers and their clients, read our discussion here (http://www.synergistech.com/ic-taxlaw.shtml).

SEC. 1706. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN TECHNICAL PERSONNEL.

(a) IN GENERAL - Section 530 of the Revenue Act of 1978 is amended by adding at the end thereof the following new subsection:

(d) EXCEPTION. - This section shall not apply in the case of an individual who pursuant to an arrangement between the taxpayer and another person, provides services for such other person as an engineer, designer, drafter, computer programmer, systems analyst, or other similarly skilled worker engaged in a similar line of work.

(b) EFFECTIVE DATE. - The amendment made by this section shall apply to remuneration paid and services rendered after December 31, 1986.

Note:

· "another person" is the client in the traditional job-shop relationship.

· "taxpayer" is the recruiter, broker, agency, or job shop.

· "individual", "employee", or "worker" is you.



Admittedly, you need to read the treatment to understand what it is saying but it’s not very complicated. The bottom line is that they may as well have put my name right in the text of section (d). Moreover, they could only have been more blunt if they would have came out and directly declared me a criminal and non-citizen slave. Twenty years later, I still can’t believe my eyes.

During 1987, I spent close to $5000 of my ‘pocket change’, and at least 1000 hours of my time writing, printing, and mailing to any senator, congressman, governor, or slug that might listen; none did, and they universally treated me as if I was wasting their time. I spent countless hours on the L.A. freeways driving to meetings and any and all of the disorganized professional groups who were attempting to mount a campaign against this atrocity. This, only to discover that our efforts were being easily derailed by a few moles from the brokers who were just beginning to enjoy the windfall from the new declaration of their “freedom”. Oh, and don’t forget, for all of the time I was spending on this, I was loosing income that I couldn’t bill clients.

After months of struggling it had clearly gotten to be a futile exercise. The best we could get for all of our trouble is a pronouncement from an IRS mouthpiece that they weren’t going to enforce that provision (read harass engineers and scientists). This immediately proved to be a lie, and the mere existence of the regulation began to have its impact on my bottom line; this, of course, was the intended effect.

Again, rewind my retirement plans back to 0 and shift them into idle. If I had any sense, I clearly should have left abandoned engineering and never looked back.

Instead I got busy working 100-hour workweeks. Then came the L.A. depression of the early 1990s. Our leaders decided that they didn’t need the all of those extra Air Force bases they had in Southern California, so they were closed; just like that. The result was economic devastation in the region that rivaled the widely publicized Texas S&L fiasco. However, because the government caused it, no one gave a shit about all of the young families who lost their homes or street after street of boarded up houses abandoned to the wealthy loan companies who received government funds to “shore up” their windfall. Again, I lost my retirement.

Years later, after weathering a divorce and the constant struggle trying to build some momentum with my business, I find myself once again beginning to finally pick up some speed. Then came the .COM bust and the 911 nightmare. Our leaders decided that all aircraft were grounded for what seemed like an eternity; and long after that, ‘special’ facilities like San Francisco were on security alert for months. This made access to my customers prohibitively expensive. Ironically, after what they had done the Government came to the aid of the airlines with billions of our tax dollars … as usual they left me to rot and die while they bailed out their rich, incompetent cronies WITH MY MONEY! After these events, there went my business but not quite yet all of my retirement and savings.

By this time, I’m thinking that it might be good for a change. Bye to California, I’ll try Austin for a while. So I moved, only to find out that this is a place with a highly inflated sense of self-importance and where damn little real engineering work is done. I’ve never experienced such a hard time finding work. The rates are 1/3 of what I was earning before the crash, because pay rates here are fixed by the three or four large companies in the area who are in collusion to drive down prices and wages… and this happens because the justice department is all on the take and doesn’t give a fuck about serving anyone or anything but themselves and their rich buddies.

To survive, I was forced to cannibalize my savings and retirement, the last of which was a small IRA. This came in a year with mammoth expenses and not a single dollar of income. I filed no return that year thinking that because I didn’t have any income there was no need. The sleazy government decided that they disagreed. But they didn’t notify me in time for me to launch a legal objection so when I attempted to get a protest filed with the court I was told I was no longer entitled to due process because the time to file ran out. Bend over for another $10,000 helping of justice.

So now we come to the present. After my experience with the CPA world, following the business crash I swore that I’d never enter another accountant’s office again. But here I am with a new marriage and a boatload of undocumented income, not to mention an expensive new business asset, a piano, which I had no idea how to handle. After considerable thought I decided that it would be irresponsible NOT to get professional help; a very big mistake.

When we received the forms back I was very optimistic that they were in order. I had taken all of the years information to Bill Ross, and he came back with results very similar to what I was expecting. Except that he had neglected to include the contents of Sheryl’s unreported income; $12,700 worth of it. To make matters worse, Ross knew all along this was missing and I didn’t have a clue until he pointed it out in the middle of the audit. By that time it had become brutally evident that he was representing himself and not me.

This left me stuck in the middle of this disaster trying to defend transactions that have no relationship to anything tax-related (at least the tax-related transactions were poorly documented). Things I never knew anything about and things my wife had no clue would ever matter to anyone. The end result is… well, just look around.

I remember reading about the stock market crash before the “great” depression and how there were wealthy bankers and businessmen jumping out of windows when they realized they screwed up and lost everything. Isn’t it ironic how far we’ve come in 60 years in this country that they now know how to fix that little economic problem; they just steal from the middle class (who doesn’t have any say in it, elections are a joke) to cover their asses and it’s “business-as-usual”. Now when the wealthy fuck up, the poor get to die for the mistakes… isn’t that a clever, tidy solution.

As government agencies go, the FAA is often justifiably referred to as a tombstone agency, though they are hardly alone. The recent presidential puppet GW Bush and his cronies in their eight years certainly reinforced for all of us that this criticism rings equally true for all of the government. Nothing changes unless there is a body count (unless it is in the interest of the wealthy sows at the government trough). In a government full of hypocrites from top to bottom, life is as cheap as their lies and their self-serving laws.

I know I’m hardly the first one to decide I have had all I can stand. It has always been a myth that people have stopped dying for their freedom in this country, and it isn’t limited to the blacks, and poor immigrants. I know there have been countless before me and there are sure to be as many after. But I also know that by not adding my body to the count, I insure nothing will change. I choose to not keep looking over my shoulder at “big brother” while he strips my carcass, I choose not to ignore what is going on all around me, I choose not to pretend that business as usual won’t continue; I have just had enough.

I can only hope that the numbers quickly get too big to be white washed and ignored that the American zombies wake up and revolt; it will take nothing less. I would only hope that by striking a nerve that stimulates the inevitable double standard, knee-jerk government reaction that results in more stupid draconian restrictions people wake up and begin to see the pompous political thugs and their mindless minions for what they are. Sadly, though I spent my entire life trying to believe it wasn’t so, but violence not only is the answer, it is the only answer. The cruel joke is that the really big chunks of shit at the top have known this all along and have been laughing, at and using this awareness against, fools like me all along.

I saw it written once that the definition of insanity is repeating the same process over and over and expecting the outcome to suddenly be different. I am finally ready to stop this insanity. Well, Mr. Big Brother IRS man, let’s try something different; take my pound of flesh and sleep well.



The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

The capitalist creed: From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his greed.



Joe Stack (1956-2010)

02/18/2010





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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:54 PM
Response to Reply #14
15. This guy actually thought he would be interesting - he was just an egocentric
Edited on Thu Feb-18-10 01:50 PM by old mark
jerk.

Joe, nobody gives a shit.


mark
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 03:18 PM
Response to Reply #15
57. I do. he was correct about health care and the corrporations. He went over the edge.
Edited on Thu Feb-18-10 03:19 PM by saracat
"Why is it that a handful of thugs and plunderers can commit unthinkable atrocities (and in the case of the GM executives, for scores of years) and when it’s time for their gravy train to crash under the weight of their gluttony and overwhelming stupidity, the force of the full federal government has no difficulty coming to their aid within days if not hours? Yet at the same time, the joke we call the American medical system, including the drug and insurance companies, are murdering tens of thousands of people a year and stealing from the corpses and victims they cripple, and this country’s leaders don’t see this as important as bailing out a few of their vile, rich cronies. Yet, the political “representatives” (thieves, liars, and self-serving scumbags is far more accurate) have endless time to sit around for year after year and debate the state of the “terrible health care problem”. It’s clear they see no crisis as long as the dead people don’t get in the way of their corporate profits rolling in".
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 02:02 PM
Response to Reply #14
18. Original site from 2003



http://web.archive.org/web/20030727044952/http://www.embeddedart.com/

Home

Welcome! This site briefly describes the capabilities and experience of the Embedded Art firmware/software development service company.

Our Mission

To advance the art of programming, one project at a time; by achieving an optimum balance between cost, schedule, functionality, reliability, and maintainability.

Company Profile

Embedded Art is a small independent software house, specializing in process control and automation. In its current form it represents the culmination of 20 years of experience in the software development consulting business. Founded by Joe Stack in 1983 (under the name of Prowess Engineering) in Southern California, the company thrived for 15 years until shifting focus to the Sacramento area to take advantage of growth in the Silicon Valley.

Now, 5 years later, the expertise of Embedded Art has landed in the Austin Area expecting to lend a hand to the growing high technology industry in South-Central Texas.

The concept behind the success of Embedded Art is that we provide the experience and muscle for addressing complex software engineering development tasks. Much of today's programming is a step-wise refinement of previous development projects. With 20 years of experience, we provide the expertise that can effectively navigate around many of the pitfalls that snare the unseasoned engineer (indeed, we've seen many of the same mistakes made again and again by the inexperienced).


Contact Information
Phone:


Postal Address:


E-mail:
General Information
Sales
Customer Support
Webmaster




Send mail to contact@embeddedart with questions or comments about this web site.
Last modified: July 22, 2003


Two updated versions from 2004 (according to archive.org) look identical.

No updates since then, according to archive.org, which last logged the site on June 22, 2008.

http://web.archive.org/web/20080622213058/http://www.embeddedart.com/

According to Link Popularity service, no one links to that site:

http://www.linkpopularity.com/linkpop.cgi?url=www.embeddedart.com&ref=&a=1

How was it found? Did Stack e-mail the link to anyone?

It doesn't even have a ranking on Alexa, which doesn't list data for anything below site No. 100,000, but does tell how a site ranks among many millions.

No clue what a Web search for his name might have looked like up until a couple of hours ago.
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 02:08 PM
Response to Reply #14
22. What a nut job. Texas sure can pick them.
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Justa Girl Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 02:41 PM
Response to Reply #22
35. TX? No.
You mean CA? He moved to TX from CA.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 02:47 PM
Response to Reply #35
39. Trust me, I live in Austin, we have our share. nt
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 02:50 PM
Response to Reply #39
41. Keep Austin Weird....
....well maybe not this weird.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 02:53 PM
Response to Reply #41
43. Sadly, it's not as nearly as weird as it used to be...nt
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 02:54 PM
Response to Reply #43
45. Sounds like its getting weirder.
Just wish it wasn't so expensive to live there.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 03:55 PM
Response to Reply #45
61. Naa, less weird, more odd. ;) lol nt
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zanana1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 04:12 PM
Response to Reply #35
67. Don't worry; you weren't being singled out for criticism.
I know that everybody loves the state they live in, but there are some truths out there about the general population of certain states. My state (NH) is a state I love, but we have more than our share of nutty Libertarians who are probably cheering this guy's actions.

Welcome to DU.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 02:42 PM
Response to Reply #14
36. So he failed at being a tax cheat and that made him mad?
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pundaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 03:09 PM
Response to Reply #36
53. When an individual tries to leverage the tax code he's a cheat, when a corporation hires an army of
lawyers and cpa's to do the same they're the rock upon which the strength of America is built.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 03:30 PM
Response to Reply #53
59. yeah, ain't that the truth
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 04:42 PM
Response to Reply #53
71. You got it
Edited on Thu Feb-18-10 04:44 PM by fujiyama
Or if you're nominated to be treasury secretary, you can then say "oops" and all will be forgiven.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 12:12 AM
Response to Reply #53
97. Unless you are speaking to me, of course.
Because I will then engage you in a discussion of the difference between symbiont and parasite and how that difference applies to economic reality.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 03:29 PM
Response to Reply #14
58. I guess we're down one DUer
:rofl:

Someone had to say it :rofl:

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zanana1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 04:14 PM
Response to Reply #58
68. PLEASE don't say that!
I'd hate to be compared to that insane terrorist.
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 01:58 PM
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16. This will be on Pox news as a prime example of an "angry leftist terrorist". nt
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 02:18 PM
Response to Reply #16
27. Sounds like a TEAbagger to me nt
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 02:03 PM
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19. As said below - "teabag terrorist" - wow, great way to describe it actually!
Edited on Thu Feb-18-10 02:20 PM by Divine Discontent
what a shame he did what he did. I haven't looked, but hoping he didn't cause mass death.
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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 02:07 PM
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20. Looks like we have ourselves a "Teabagger Terrorist."
Be sure to call this guy by that name at every opportunity.

This is the next step in the logical progression resulting from the hate and misinformation spewed by the teabaggers and broadcast by their media outlets.
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 02:09 PM
Response to Reply #20
23. Yup. First guns at president rallys, now this.
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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 02:10 PM
Response to Reply #23
24. Exactly.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 02:31 PM
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TankerKC Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 02:19 PM
Response to Reply #20
29. From his manifesto...
Yet at the same time, the joke we call the American medical system, including the drug and insurance companies, are murdering tens of thousands of people a year and stealing from the corpses and victims they cripple, and this country’s leaders don’t see this as important as bailing out a few of their vile, rich cronies. Yet, the political “representatives” (thieves, liars, and self-serving scumbags is far more accurate) have endless time to sit around for year after year and debate the state of the “terrible health care problem”. It’s clear they see no crisis as long as the dead people don’t get in the way of their corporate profits rolling in.

That doesn't sound like a "teabagger" to me. Who is it that rails on about drug and insurance companies? Or goes on about the last eight years like this:

The recent presidential puppet GW Bush and his cronies in their eight years certainly reinforced for all of us that this criticism rings equally true for all of the government.

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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 02:50 PM
Response to Reply #29
40. Did you bother reading the whole thing?
it's no mystery that everyone is pissed off about healthcare. read the rest of this morons screed, it reads like it was taken whole cloth from a teabagger site.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 02:23 PM
Response to Reply #20
31. Seemed to spout quite a few phrases more than a few DUers have said.
Railing against Bush, in particular.

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pundaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 03:13 PM
Response to Reply #20
55. He was no Teabagger. He cites facts, attempted to work within the system, and ultimately
was one of the earliest victims of corporate bribing of congress to recast People as tools, and corporations as the real citizens.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 05:33 PM
Response to Reply #55
78. unadulterated and ignorant bullshit
he clearly did not try and work within the system- witness his statements about undeclared income. he was a tax cheat trying to justify himself.
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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 07:29 PM
Response to Reply #55
86. ...and yet, he'll become a martyr for the anti-tax teabaggers
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denverbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 02:07 PM
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21. Sounds like he changed over the years.
He was clearly an anti-tax nut early on. But by the end, he seems to have as much problem with big corporations as big government.

Kind of like the freepers who lose their jobs and health insurance who suddenly become liberals.

It's kind of a rude awakening to be a libertarian, pull-yourself-up-by-the-bootstraps individualist who suddenly confronts the reality of losing his home and savings, and having nothing left to retire on.
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AB_Positive Donating Member (151 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 02:13 PM
Response to Reply #21
25. correct - he couldn't handle realizing that
neither side has the answer. He went from thinking he was conservative, waking up as a liberal, and realizing both parties were screwing him equally.

Horrid way to go out, because it's not the answer at all. I feel a lot like this guy did apparently, except I'm not about to commit vain suicide... I'm planning on moving to Canada.

Some might call that suicide anyway but meh, I'm a Canuck. I love it up north. :D
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 03:08 PM
Response to Reply #21
51. He was mad at big corps because he believed they were getting away with what he was doing.
Which may be - but doubtful. Yes, they do hire independent contractors, but they have to report their earnings to the IRS. He should have been paying payroll taxes quarterly, but it sounds like he felt he didn't have to.
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Wilber_Stool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 02:15 PM
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26. He came to the same conclusions we have
but just couldn't take it. Kind of gutless, isn't it.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 02:25 PM
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 02:18 PM
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28. Let me first state that I completely disagree with what he did (if in fact.............
...............it turns he IS the guy). But, you have husbands beating up their wives, cops beating up citizens and both parties in Congress beating up on the majority of citizens. I sure hope that this recession/depression is over as some economists believe. If shit gets worse here you probably will see something to what happened in the 30's with marches, protests and such by many diverse groups. It's really a shame, as I believe Obama had within his grasp to be a great President by changing so much that is wrong here. He may be a one term President and what we will get in 2012 I don't even want to think about. Can anyone say "worse than Bush"?
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 02:21 PM
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30. The moment anyone on Faux Noise says he was a liberal, CNN, MSNBC & all paper/internet outlets
should call him a "Teabag Terrorist". He was clearly a coward for doing what he did instead of fighting the problems he saw, and yes there are problems in America, but blowing up a plane into a building is sick as ****.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 02:29 PM
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33. Sounds like he was avoiding paying payroll taxes, got caught -
and wouldn't just admit he was wrong about it.

It's too bad, but he sounds like he got wrapped up in some anti-tax BS along the way.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 02:54 PM
Response to Reply #33
44. Who says he was wrong?
Don't forget that in tax court you are guilty until proven innocent.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 02:55 PM
Response to Reply #44
46. I've worked with them for years.
The portion he's citing is about independent contractors versus employees. It's an oft-abused section of regs.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 02:56 PM
Response to Reply #46
48. Still doesn't mean he was wrong. nt
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 03:06 PM
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50. True. But I think he was.
Especially when he talks about having appealed to many people over the years, spending "countless hours on LA freeways" talking to people about his case. If there'd been a loophole, he'd have found someone to exploit it. It's not like LA isn't filled with tax attorneys.
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SoapBox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 02:42 PM
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37. ...just another terrorist? Can FauxNews explain it?
...just recently, FakeNews and their OnScreenVomit machines said that all terrorists look alike...

Uhhh, HateNews...explain today.

Doocy: ‘All The People Who Tried To Blow Airliners Out Of The Sky Pretty Much Look Alike’
http://thinkprogress.org/2010/02/16/doocy-look-alike/
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 02:45 PM
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38. this guy only lived blocks from me!! =O
This happened only about a mile from my home.

My wife, trying to get to work was prevented due to all access to that area was blocked. She called her boss and was told to go back home. Impossible to get in.

My wife turned on the news and lo and behold this moron lived only a few blocks from me!!!
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 02:55 PM
Response to Reply #38
47. Maybe he came to some of the neighborhood Christmas parties? nt
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 03:57 PM
Response to Reply #47
62. I have a pretty good BS alarm...
I would have spotted him a mile away. Unlike my neighbors two doors down, who have no problem with advertizing their insanity. Granny's for Ron Paul. I always give them a wide birth.
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santamargarita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 02:52 PM
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42. A Kamikaze Teabagger?
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 03:03 PM
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49. Catholic, software engineer who lived in California, and then moved to Austin?
Unlikely this is a right-wing thing. More likely to be a crazy-wing thing. Can't believe he set his own house on fire.
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Tim01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 03:08 PM
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52. He was pretty upset by the lack of health care reform. nt
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pjt7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 03:51 PM
Response to Reply #52
60. If he realy wrote this, he was pissed
about taxes on his labor & healthcare reform.

I think it's pretty low of DU'ers to say he was right-winged, left or whatever political label.
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Tim01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 04:00 PM
Response to Reply #60
64. They can't wait to blame the other team. nt
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 05:15 PM
Response to Reply #60
74. It's pathetic and lazy thinking
to pin everyone in some neat and simple ideological peg.

The simple fact is, that this guy's problems aren't all that unusual and I hate to say it, but he has a lot of points - frequently made on this board by people (not to say everyone on here is sane either). I mean, the IRS does act thuggish, the tax code is built to favor the rich and hurt the middle class, and this government doesn't give a fuck about anyone that isn't helping them stay in power. In other countries, people call it for what it is - bribery. Here we call them "campaign contributions". We love euphemisms in this country and lie to ourselves all the time.

The main difference between most of us and this guy, is that we realize that acts of violence doesn't help a cause and is rightfully seen as lunacy.

There is a lot of anger out there and it's boiling and will likely get worse. I don't think it's very ideological either.
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Tunkamerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 07:00 PM
Response to Reply #60
82. I agree
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alcina Donating Member (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 03:59 PM
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63. I'm not sure which saddens me more....
The suicide and pointless destruction wrought by someone who clearly felt -- rightly or wrongly -- that he'd been completely abandoned and literally had nothing left to lose, or the callous and puerile comments made by "progressives" who so often claim to be the only compassionate and altruistic members of this decaying society.

The other day my sister -- a staunch Kucinich supporter, a rally-attending anti-Bush recycling public-transit-loving wiccan -- told me our republican brother asked her, quite seriously, whether she was a "secret republican" and whether she did all this other "stuff" because of where she lives (Santa Cruz, CA). She was shocked. Genuinely gobsmacked at the thought that someone might believe this. But many of the comments on this thread (and others) are nearly identical to the sort of things she says that make my brother -- and often my husband and I -- think she might in fact be a "secret republican."

I can't say I'm surprised, but as I note above, I am definitely saddened by the lack of empathy and forgiveness not just in this world, but especially on this board.

Flame away....
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Tim01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 04:03 PM
Response to Reply #63
66. It's pretty ugly, isn't it. nt
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Delphinus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 04:35 PM
Response to Reply #63
69. Welcome, alcina.
No flames from me. Thank you for being a caring soul. :hug:
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alcina Donating Member (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 05:07 PM
Response to Reply #69
72. Thanks, Delphinus.
Some days it's a challenge. :-)
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 05:07 PM
Response to Reply #63
73. What does Santa Cruz, CA have to do with it?!
:shrug:
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Corgigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 05:16 PM
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75. Middle class people should all know
that the IRS will shake us down for whatever they can get. They almost have to do it. The poor have nothing to get and the rich, and the corporations have so many attorneys and will tie it up for years. Most of us in the middle class know this and do our damnest not to get stuck on the audit listing. We pay what we should, if lucky get back a refund and do the same next year. Seems like this author thought , with his educational background, he could read the regs better then the people who wrote it. He thought he was educated more then he was middle class. That was his error and I hope no one else makes the same mistake.

It's a shame and I'm sure lots of innocent people are hurting today.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 05:18 PM
Response to Reply #75
76. Wesley Snipes may disagree.
:)
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christx30 Donating Member (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 07:34 PM
Response to Reply #75
87. Part of the
problem is that he is kind of right. The tax regs are so complicated, with language that is so obtuse that not even people working at the IRS can understand it. You call them for help, and they tell you what they THINK is the correct answer. But if they are wrong and you take their advice, you can still get into a lot of trouble. The IRS screws people over time and time again. The guilty-until-proven-innocent BS in tax court has to change. I'd like to see the IRS with a lot less power.
What this man did was stupid and wrong. But a lot of his anger was justified. I thought about working for them when I lost my job at Dell. But I would rather take a less paying job. I don't think I could go into work every day and hurt people.
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golfguru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 05:27 PM
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77. Put a ban on all small airplanes!
Sorry...just joking.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 05:49 PM
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79. Austin Crash Pilot Called "Easy Going"
The software engineer who plowed his small plane into an office building housing nearly 200 federal tax employees on Thursday was even-tempered and unflappable, one woman who knew him tells CBS News.

In a Web diary written before the crash, Joseph Stack took aim at the IRS, outraged at loopholes that benefit large corporations but not average Americans.

But Stack, who used to play in the Billy Eli Band, was described as "easy going” by the band's manager.

"He talked politics like everyone but didn’t show any obsession," said Pam Parker, the wife of Billy Eli and manager of the band. "The letter sounded like his voice but it was nothing I ever heard him say."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/02/18/national/main6220956.shtml?tag=stack
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 06:03 PM
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80. "had a full-time job and had just gotten married...
when he stopped playing with the band a year and a half ago."

Marriage may have led him to do this.

Super :evilgrin:
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 08:08 PM
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89. My guess would be the amped up teabagging rhetoric spewed out by the corporate media
24/7 played a major role in his fueling his preexisting anger and resentment.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 09:29 PM
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90. Guy was a true nut...
This is beyond right or left.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 10:17 PM
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92. Ever been to a teabagging event?
You'll find a lot of that.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 10:28 PM
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93. Doubt you'll find them lauding communism....
This guy reminds me of the unabomber.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 10:53 PM
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94. LOL- what you will find is a lot of people misunderstanding simple comparisons and contrasting
i.e., setting up dichotomies, then making unwarranted attributions.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 10:56 PM
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95. That is probably true....
Still get the unabomber feel from this guy though. Maybe we would have been better off if he lived in a shack.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 06:13 PM
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81. He moved his business to Sacramento to take advantage of Silicon Valley?
Uh, okay. It's only about three hours away. :dunce:
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 07:07 PM
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83. This guy is the natural endgame of the teaparty movement
Terrorist attacks on the government. I can't wait for the debate about trying some of the co-conspirators in military commissions trial. (Oh ha ha..he's not a scary ARAB/foreigner/at war forever with us/so terrorist acts are not terrorist acts) Ironically guys like this are too stupid to realize the real threat to their lives. The military and this fascist loving nation. GM bailouts are really not a reason to die. The end of civil liberties is. I guess they will bring that about by their hatred of government. It's some Kafkaesque game. What a fucked up country.
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junior college Donating Member (290 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 07:27 PM
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85. Why don't they let livestock fly planes in Texas?
Because they can't steer. Get it? Steer?
:sarcasm:
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 07:55 PM
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88. Friend of pilot: I can't fathom he would do this
We are learning more about the man who crashed his plane into a Northwest Austin building.

In addition to being a software engineer and pilot, Joe Stack was also the bass player in the Billy Eli Band.

Pam Parker, the wife of the band’s lead singer, says her husband Billy Eli has known Stack for years.

According to Eli, Stack’s parents died when he was young and he was raised in an orphanage in Pennsylvania. He has a daughter in her 20s who lives Norway and he got married a year and a half ago, Eli says.

http://weareaustin.com/content/news/story/?cid=51371

The man believed to have flown a small plane into an Austin, Texas office building this morning graduated from Milton Hershey School in 1974 and studied engineering at Harrisburg Area Community College in the mid-1970s, a college spokeswoman has confirmed.

An engineering major, Stack earned 60 credits at HACC between 1975 and 1977. He did not earn an associates degree at the school. Records do not show if he transferred those credits to a four-year-school, the HACC spokeswoman said.

Little else about Stack, including any local address where he lived in school here, is readily available in HACC's records because of a change in the school's computerized filing system in the late 90s, when HACC stopped using social security numbers as student ID numbers, the spokeswoman said.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2010/02/man_who_flew_plane_into_texas.html

The Milton Hershey School is a private philanthropic (pre-K through 12) boarding school in Hershey, Pennsylvania. Originally named the Hershey Industrial School, the institution was founded and funded by chocolate industrialist Milton Snavely Hershey and his wife, Catherine Sweeney Hershey. The school was originally established for impoverished, healthy, Caucasian, male orphans, while today it serves underprivileged students of various backgrounds. The Milton Hershey School Trust, which funds the school, owns controlling interest in The Hershey Company and owns the Hershey Entertainment and Resorts Company (HERCO) which oversees many of the area hotels along with a theme park called Hersheypark. With over six billion dollars in assets, the Milton Hershey School is one of the wealthiest schools in the world. The school is overseen by a Board of Managers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Hershey_School




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Bragi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 12:00 AM
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96. Couldn't care less
He should have just paid his taxes. He is a victim of his own stupidity.

This DU poster captured my thinking precisely:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7745790
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 09:45 PM
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91. Sorry I have no sympathy for this guy
He may have killed two and injured about 13 people who were working, paying their taxes and trying to do the right thing.

He had several companies all closed because he didn't pay his taxes.

He burned his families home down and now his widow and his daughter are relying on the Red Cross and neighbors for assistance.

If this guy would have been a minority it would have been labled a terrorist attack.

There are many people in this country that are suffering and suck it up and get by day to day.

Yes, the IRS does go after the small guy instead of really going after corporations and companies that really are cheating the government out of billions.

Yes, the health insurance industry must be made non-profit that is the only way things will balance out.

There are a lot of problems but taking out innocent people instead of just offing himself is what a coward does.
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