Duke Lacrosse Accuser Charged With Attempted Murder, Assault

[mahatmakanejeeves]

Source: Fox News

Thursday, February 18, 2010
Associated Press

DURHAM, N.C. — North Carolina police responding to a domestic violence call have arrested the woman who falsely accused three Duke University lacrosse players of rape.

WRAL-TV reported 33-year-old Crystal Gale Mangum was arrested late Wednesday on charges she assaulted her boyfriend.

Durham County jail records indicate Mangum is charged with attempted murder, arson, assault and battery, identity theft, communicating threats, damage to property, resisting an officer and child endangerment.

Durham police said they found Mangum and 33-year-old Milton Walker fighting. Police said Mangum went into a bathroom and set some clothes on fire in a bathtub.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,586554,00.html

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I am eagerly awaiting an update at Durham-in-Wonderland.

The unpleasantness resulted in many a post at DU at the time. Some people, but not all, saw the investigation as an example of prosecutorial misconduct. You don't have to be a teabagger to know that the government has tremendous power when conducting an investigation. On occasion, that power is misused. If we are not vigilant, who will be vigilant for us?

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

[TexasObserver]

1. Recommend

[pleah]

2. K&R

[WriteDown]

3. Sounds like she's spiraled downwards after she couldn't get justice....

Super :sarcasm:

[pnwmom]

7. Yeah, it's all due to PTSD.

:sarcasm:

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

43. the power of the racist heteropatriarchy knows no bounds

Framing this poor womyn.

According to the Duke rape dead-enders, I am the leader of the DU "racist heteropatriarchy" and I should have been hanged in public along side the Duke boys as I was equally guilty for doubting the claims of the said performance artist.

[msanthrope]

54. Don't you belong the in the racist heteropatriarchy forum? n/t

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

56. supposedly the entire internet is the racist heteropatriarchy forum,

[msanthrope]

57. Carry on then! n/t

[IndianaGreen]

69. Clearly the poor woman is suffering from PTSD

:sarcasm:

[Renew Deal]

135. You mean after she lied about a crime.

[slackmaster]

4. K&R, and I like your tag line!

:hi:

[tammywammy]

5. k&r

[WilliamPitt]

6. *munch*

:popcorn:

[Dappleganger]

10. I'll join you...

:popcorn:

[Dr.Phool]

13. I've got beer to go with that.

:beer: :beer: :beer:

[msanthrope]

39. Beer? If ever a thread called for bourbon, this one does...n/t

[pnwmom]

8. "On occasion, that power is misused. If we are not vigilant,

who will be vigilant for us?"

That's an excellent question more DUers should have been asking a few years ago.

[Dappleganger]

9. hmmm hmmm...

Color me shocked.

[pnwmom]

11. Here's the police report at The Smoking Gun.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2010/0218101duke1.html

[snooper2]

12. My prediction: post #27 will come to her defense

:P

[XemaSab]

14. Everyone knows

That in any interaction between women and men, women are always the victims.

Also, in any interaction between black people and white people, black people are always the victims.

Finally, in any interaction between poor people and rich people, poor people are always the victims.

/sarcasm

[newtothegame]

22. So true :)

Sadly, you wouldn't know much outside of that here on DU.

[Name removed]

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[theHandpuppet]

15. Since when is Fox News considered a credible news source?

I'm just surprised that anyone on DU gets their news from FOX.

[joeglow3]

17. It is from the Associated Press

Fox News is just hosting it.

[friendly_iconoclast]

18. How about the Raleigh News and Observer, then?

http://www.newsobserver.com/home/story/345494.html

Duke lacrosse accuser charged with attempted murder

FROM STAFF REPORTS
DURHAM -- Durham police have charged Crystal Gail Mangum, 31, with attempting to kill her boyfriend early this morning. Mangum is the woman who wrongly accused three Duke lacrosse players of rape in 2006.

A judge this morning ordered that she remain in jail on a $1 million bond. Wearing a white jail jumpsuit, Mangum kept her head down during her court appearance and said nothing as the charges from this morning’s alleged incident were read.

According to authorities, Mangum, 31, and her boyfriend, Milton Walker, were fighting in their apartment at 2220 Lincoln St. She then set fire to Walker’s clothing inside a bathroom tub, located in a bathroom in the middle of the apartment, police said. She tried to start another fire after officers arrived, according to an arrest warrant read during Mangum’s first court appearance this morning.

Police said Mangum also threatened to stab Walker...

[theHandpuppet]

24. Exactly

I am really becoming concerned when I see more and more threads posted to LBN quoting Fox News as their source.

[IndianaGreen]

71. Sometimes news is just news

It you want to get real, you should apply that standard of yours to the entire MSM.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

19. Fox

had the most attention-grabbing headline, so that's what I went with.

I generally prefer to link to newspapers than to TV stations. TV station links try to open up with a lot of pointless graphics, and newspaper sites do not. In this case, the link went to Fox News and not a local Fox affiliate, so Fox got the nod.

There's another reason I linked to Fox. Take a look at the story I quoted, if you would, please. Fox got the story from the Associated Press. I assume the AP got the story from a reporter at the Durham Herald-Sun. The reporter probably got the story from listening to a police scanner, after which he called police HQ to get the correct charges. Either that, or he got a page from a breaking news service, and the breaking news service got the story from a scanner listener. In the end, Radio Shack and Bearcat are to blame, or scanner listeners, or electromagnetic radiation. Whatever the case may be, when I saw the Associated Press as the source, I knew I was on firm footing.

As I write, the story is number one on the DU website, as well as the top story at Google News. You can expect it to be on the evening TV news tonight as well. NBC might have to shelve one of its heartwarming stories about the athletes in Vancouver to make room for it, but they will. It's not going away.

Thank you for your inquiry.

[pintobean]

23. Great reply

I keep hoping someone would link to a list of approved sources.:)

[mahatmakanejeeves]

27. Thanks.

Back in the shortwave days, I used to listen to Radio Tirana. They hated everyone, and nothing was true unless you heard on Radio Tirana.

[friendly_iconoclast]

32. I remember listening to Radio Tirana on occasion.

Talk about 'alternate reality'!

[DrCory]

89. Dear God! Another fan of Radio Tirana...

Whenever I mention, which is not often, that I listened to RT on the SW in the early 80's to folk in my circles, blank expressions result.

Share a :toast: with me for Comrade Hoxha! :P

[DrCory]

90. As do I, but the Central Committee seems oddly amiss. N/T

[SteveM]

25. Thank god she wasn't also at the U of A Huntsville faculty meeting...

Two convergent forces of enablement may have opened a time warp back to 80s.

[IndianaGreen]

151. Some folks here would excuse her shooting of white faculty as caused by historical racial grievances

Moral of the story: stick to facts, and don't put a perceived victim on a pedestal until all the evidence comes in.

Wasn't Tawana Brawley enough?

[IndianaGreen]

70. Perhaps the Huffington Post passes your purity test

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/18/crystal-mangum-duke-lacro_n_467134.html

[AngryAmish]

16. They really ruined her life.

[Dreamer Tatum]

20. If by "they," you mean "she," I agree nt

[AtheistCrusader]

21. Who 'they'?

[AngryAmish]

26. You know

[Dreamer Tatum]

28. Favor me, please. nt

[AngryAmish]

30. I suspect we are in agreement

[AtheistCrusader]

38. I hope you are referring to herself

and the scumbag DA that thought he could ride her lies into a successful re-election.

[marshall]

101. The DA really took advantage of her

She does have a share of the blame, but there are no doubt many disturbed people who make false claims that never go anywhere because the DA recognizes it as false. This DA took a disturbed young woman and used her for all he oculd get out of her.

[Tailormyst]

29. Who would "they" be?

[anonymous171]

35. Yep. Nifong and his office should bear full responsibility for this mess. nt

[IndianaGreen]

72. The demons inside her head!

Crystal Mangum is a pathological liar!

[Renew Deal]

136. Who's they?

And what about the lives she ruined?

[AngryAmish]

137. You know

[Selatius]

147. I find that really hard to fathom. She made a false claim, and the DA jumped on the bandwagon

Since, well, y'know, the DA was running for office at the time and saw this as a slam dunk case. The investigation afterward showed prosecutorial misconduct. The DA deserves blame for wasting court resources and abusing his power, but false claims shouldn't be tolerated either.

[joeybee12]

31. You SHOULD NOT have posted this...

...here.

If you want a thread to really flame, put it in GD!

:evilgrin:

[Dr. Strange]

33. Done.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7739930

[joeybee12]

36. I can already feel the heat!

:evilgrin:

[salguine]

34. Wasn't the prosecutor in the Duke case disbarred?

[mahatmakanejeeves]

37. Mike Nifong

Duke Rape Accuser: 'I'm Going to Stab You {Expletive}!'

Go to the second page.

Duke Lacrosse Prosecutor Mike Nifong Reacts

As pressure mounted and the accuser's account of the alleged attack began to fall apart in late 2006, Nifong asked the state attorney general to appoint a special prosecutor, as Nifong was by then the target of an ethics investigation by the state bar association for his handling of the prosecution. In April, 2007 North Carolina State Attorney General Roy Cooper dropped all charges against the students.

Three months later, Nifong resigned as district attorney, just days before he was found guilty of a battery of ethics violations and disbarred at a dramatic state bar association disciplinary hearing. A tearful Nifong publicly apologized to the three players.

Reached by ABC News today, Nifong initially said he doubted press reports about Mangum's arrest, saying he found news reports "to be of questionable value."

When told that police had confirmed the charges against Mangnum, Nifong said, "I'm not involved in the district attorney's office in any way. I'm not involved in law enforcement in any way, so I don't really know that I have anything to say."

Asked whether Mangum's arrest gave him any new regrets about prosecuting the Duke students, Nifong sighed audibly and said, "I don't really have any comment for you at all on this" and hung up.

[Dr. Strange]

63. But he's innocent.

http://www.justice4nifong.com/

:crazy:

[LisaM]

40. So, the Duke lacrosse players......

what are they up to now? I suppose they are fighting the good fight against all who were wrongly accused of crimes?

[Dreamer Tatum]

41. Maybe they're leading their lives?

Are they supposed to be comic book heroes now?

[LisaM]

46. If they cared so deeply about victims' rights and false accusations

which they were quite pleased to lecture everyone about, even though each of them was typically a person of privilege, I'd just be more impressed if they carried on their battle on behalf of others.

I found the entire proceeding so laced with irony. Not once during the whole thing did anyone point out that poor people, and people of color, have had to deal with this type of accusation for years. You'd think that it would have brought about a broader realization about people who are falsely accused. But it didn't.

[Dreamer Tatum]

48. Yup, they're supposed to be comic book heroes now. Thanks. nt

[Threedifferentones]

95. Excuse me

How is asserting that whatsherface could have falsely accused an angry looking black man of rape and got away with it at all similar to asserting that the real victims in that Duke case ought to be "comic book heroes?" How is asserting that, because of their wealth, connections, and prestige, your average Duke student has an easier time in the court systems than your average American at all similar to claiming that those Duke student ought to be "comic book heroes?"

Your reading comprehension apparently needs work...

[woo me with science]

62. What a ludicrous, asinine post.

Sheesh.

[naaman fletcher]

65. So people faced with false accusations can't defend themselves unless..

they dedicate their lives to the cause? what a dumbass statement.

[XemaSab]

67. Not everyone wants to be a symbol, ya know

n/t

[spiritual_gunfighter]

84. What a FAILPOST

and a Detroit Lions fan to boot.

[Green_Lantern]

91. actually they were prime example..

That false accusations and an out of control prosecutor can make anyone's life a living hell.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

44. Living well off the millions that Duke paid each one of them.

[LisaL]

111. Why don't you do a google search?

And get a clue.

[mbperrin]

42. Wow, she's such a terrorist that she burns clothes in a bathtub?

No wonder those Duke boys were pissin' in their pants!

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

45. She should be charged with felony arson for that alone.

[mbperrin]

49. There's just evidently no crime at all in that part of the world.

And this terrifying woman must be the worst thing to ever come along in the history of the world there.

Wonder how often the Klan got charged with arson back there?

[msanthrope]

53. She set fire to a house where three kids were----

I'm sure it was calm, controlled, and she was stone cold sober right?

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

124. The reports say apartment. So noone knows how many people she endangered.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

75. What would you have done with her and her kids?

To answer your question though, rarely. Of course that doesn't excuse her reckless disregard for the lives of her children.

[Dr. Strange]

76. Hell, she's more of a threat to her kids than the Klan is!

[LisaL]

112. It was her 9 year old daughter who called 911.

[struggle4progress]

119. "Please hurry. My mom is going to die."

Duke lacrosse accuser jailed
By Stanley B. Chambers Jr.
[e-mail]
Posted: Friday, Feb. 19, 2010
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/local/story/1257808.html

[naaman fletcher]

47. Hopefully now she will get the jail time she deserves. nt

[mbperrin]

50. Remind me how many surgeries her boyfriend needed to save his life.

And the clothes burned in the tub! Won't anyone think of them?

Crime must be mighty slack in that part of the country. Out here, we have like, actual criminals, instead of boyfriend-girlfriend fights that end with clothes smoldering in a tub.

Hmmm...wonder how many Klansmen have ever served time there?

[naaman fletcher]

51. Huh?

She deserves to be in jail for as long as the Lax players would have been in jail under her false accusation.

[mbperrin]

81. What statute is that, exactly? Or is it just Judge Lynch, whom I understand

still has quite a following down there.

[naaman fletcher]

93. it's not a statute

It's my opinion.

[mbperrin]

97. Just as I suspected.

Well, let's not be a nation of laws, after all.

[naaman fletcher]

107. thats funny..

coming from someone who wants to punish guys cuz they are white and rich.

[msanthrope]

52. She set a fire in a house where three kids were.

Now, you are going to tell me that it was a 'safe' fire, right, 'cause it was in the bathtub?

And that she was obviously stone cold sober (from the mugshot posted) and in complete control of herself and no danger to others......

She's lucky she didn't get tased.

[hughee99]

73. Lisa "left eye" Lopez burned down Andre Rison's house with a bathtub fire.

http://scandalist.thefablife.com/2008-08-04/35-lisa-left-eye-lopez/

[proteus_lives]

55. So she should get a pass because of racism?

Fail.

[mbperrin]

78. Nah, she gets a pass because there was no real damage done except

maybe to the boyfriend's ego.
Now if anyone might suggest some counseling for her, kids into alternate care while she gets it, drug rehab, sure, good, that will fix it.

Why doesn't anyone want to discuss the good ol' Klan which has done much worse and in that part of the country and not only got a free pass, but were the bosses of the place?

Plus, lacrosse isn't even a real sport! No fans ever killed another team's fans over a lacrosse game! And it's even French sounding, for gawd's sake! :)

[mbperrin]

82. You want real crime, come to Texas! Just today, a guy burned down his

house and crashed his plane into the IRS offices in Austin.

See? Now THAT'S a crime!

[LisaL]

110. What does that have to do with anything?

[name not needed]

113. Starting a fire in someone's house because you're pissed at them isn't a crime?

What the fuck are you smoking?

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

127. In an apartment actually.

[name not needed]

133. Even better.

[marshall]

126. It's probably not the first time those kids have been scared by mama

Just the first time they were terrified enough to call the cops.

[struggle4progress]

146. 911 call suggests kid was scared boyfriend would kill mama

[marshall]

150. Whose boyfriend?

That relates to my point--the "boyfriend" dynamics was introduced into the family by somebody.

[WilliamPitt]

58. (facepalm)

[JetCityLiberal]

117. put the bottle down.

[RZM]

59. If I'm not mistaken

When NFL player Andre Rison's house burned down in the 90s, it was because he and his girlfriend, the late 'Left Eye' of TLC fame, were arguing and she attempted to burn some of his clothes in a bathtub. The fire got out of control and spread - so it's a pretty irresponsible thing to do when there are children in the house. And what does the Klan or the crime rate there have to do with what she did? She should be held responsible for her actions in this case, regardless of the history of the area or its current crime rate.

[msanthrope]

68. Right!!! Lopes burned 'Brock Middlebrook's' tennis shoes in the bathtub, and

it went all Osage Avenue....

[mbperrin]

80. Fiberglass tub, right?

Any news on this one, since the house evidently did not burn down.

[WriteDown]

86. NFL player with fiberglass tub?

Unlikely.

[hughee99]

74. You beat me to it.

I should have read down further before I posted. :)

[mbperrin]

79. Just thinking that we should prosecute actual murder before some family

dispute, but what the hell do I know? I've never been in the Klan - it might be way more stressful than I think!

[Dr. Strange]

83. You know, if we prosecute her now...

maybe we can prevent her from actually murdering someone.

[WriteDown]

85. What is your point about the Klan?

This is Durham, NC. Not sure where you get the impression that it is KKK infested.

[mbperrin]

98. Hmmmm....

http://thephoenixsun.com/archives/tag/kkk

A Story for Martin Luther King Day

On the night Martin Luther King, Jr. was assassinated, CP Ellis got on the phone and quickly organized a meeting. His friends showed up at his Durham, North Carolina, gas station, and sat on Coca-Cola crates CP had arranged in a circle. At CP’s direction, the men stood, and each one opened a bottle of beer and, in unison, they drank a toast to the unknown gunman who had killed Dr. King.

CP Ellis was the Exalted Cyclops of the Ku Klux Klan in Durham, North Carolina.

[mbperrin]

99. Hmmm...

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0528-05.htm


Published on Saturday, May 28, 2005 by the lndependent/UK
Burning Crosses Signal Return of Ku Klux Klan
by Andrew Buncombe in Washington

Police in Durham, North Carolina, have launched an investigation after three crosses were set alight in one night - triggering fears that the Ku Klux Klan may have targeted the city. Yellow leaflets, purportedly produced by the KKK, were found at the site of one of the burning crosses.

[mbperrin]

100. Hmmm.....

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=290343

Will KKK counter the Black Panthers in Durham, N.C. Monday???
The Black Panthers are going to Durham Monday to try and intimidate White people. Is the KKK going to be there to oppose these thugs???

[WriteDown]

104. Will they?

:shrug:

[WriteDown]

103. One unproven incident in 40 years?

I guess the nazi's are a big problem in Illinois.

[mbperrin]

105. 2005 was 40 years ago?

time flies

[WriteDown]

106. Yes...from MLK's assassination until now is about 40 years...

and you have one unproven incident.

[mbperrin]

108. Now how many unproven incidents are there of this woman burning

clothes in a tub?

Answer carefully.

[WriteDown]

122. It's unproven?

Unlike your supposed Klan citing, we know this woman set the fire and threatened to kill her boyfriend. Not sure why you're minimizing her actions.

[mbperrin]

131. Where's the conviction in a court of law? How do you know?

Let's follow the law now.

[WriteDown]

132. I agree, but we can be semi-reasonably sure....

Unlike any Klan involvement in 2005. For all we know that was one of the Duke fraternity pranks(poorly done).

[mbperrin]

140. See, I'd rather target practice Klan pranksters than worry about what

one small woman may have done to a large man.

That's just me. Being 60, I believe that few men get what they deserve for their actions toward women, so I don't begrudge it when women get a bit of payback. Just me.

[WriteDown]

142. What payback are you speaking of?

And what payback did her kids deserve?

[mbperrin]

143. What did her kids get? Use evidence from the trial transcript and her

conviction, please, because Lord Knows that the media never prints anything right about those accused of crime in Durham, right? I mean, those vampires were just all over those innocent lambs from the lacrosse team a few years ago, right? Obviously, we can't trust the media for information with their proven past record of getting it wrong. So from her trial and conviction, what happened there to anyone, including her kids?

What did the people who saw the crosses burning in 2005 in Durham experience?

Why do you softpedal the Klan?

[WriteDown]

144. Let's start with a simple question...

Do you still believe that the lacrosse players were guilty?

[mbperrin]

149. The court said no. If I believe in the law, I have to believe that.

Now, what do you believe about the players and why?

Then what do you believe about this woman and why?

[mbperrin]

152. Suppose all these are pranks, too?

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/hatemap#s=NC

My, my. 30 hate groups in NC, including one based in Durham. Had no idea frat boys were so active there....

[WriteDown]

102. Yeah, this is recent.

:eyes:

[RZM]

87. Right . . . so if you were a prosecutor

Would you tell that to a woman who was just assaulted in a 'family dispute?'

'Sorry lady, I've got murders to worry about. Take a number. Let me also add, like, the Klan and stuff . . .'

[Socal31]

61. This is such a reach, I almost wonder if it is a parody.

[LanternWaste]

66. Of course you're going to allow the accused the same restraint

Of course you're going to allow the accused the same restraint that you wished were shown to the accused during the rape investigation, yes...?

[struggle4progress]

60. "Durham-in-Wonderland" has a rightwing agenda and is not very interested in getting facts correct

Personally, I don't think any of the principals will smell rosy, if anyone ever writes an objective history of the whole ugly story

[naaman fletcher]

64. Durham in wonderland was right about every single fact.

The only right-wing agenda I could see was defending the students from bogus charges.

[struggle4progress]

88. The Truth about KC Johnson: The Small Mean World of the Duke Lacrosse Blogger

KC in Wonderland: An Overview

No one exploited the Duke lacrosse scandal better than an obscure history professor, Robert “KC” Johnson.

Johnson was initially denied tenure at Brooklyn College, and blamed this in part on the forces of political correctness and the supposed left-wing domination of American universities. The Duke lacrosse case gave him his chance for revenge. Johnson denounced Duke faculty for what he charged was their failure to defend three white lacrosse players against rape allegations made by a black woman hired to strip at a drunken team party. His telling made the case into a parable of political correctness gone crazy.

There was only one problem with this picture: it was all wrong ...

http://go2.wordpress.com/?id=725X1342&site=truthaboutkcjohnson.wordpress.com&url=http%3A%2F%2Ftruthaboutkcjohnson.wordpress.com%2F

[LisaL]

109. Who is an author of this opus?

I don't see the name attached to this piece of writing.

[struggle4progress]

114. You can find quite a number of links to signed pieces at my link

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

77. I'm guessing the Lacrosse players will come out rosier than Mangum and Nifong.

[RZM]

92. Self-delete

I misread your post

[Name removed]

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[Odin2005]

94. *Grabs popcorn*

[Triana]

96. Prosecutorial misconduct and prosecutors and DAs abusing their power and the system ...

... is NOT unusual. NOR is it rare. It happened in Durham, NC.

Before that, it happened in Santa Barbara and LA, CA. It ain't new. It ain't rare. Happens all the time. Add the goddamned medialoids into the mix (which it was in both cases) and what you end up with is anything BUT JUSTICE.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cf01v8zDkwk

See around 2:45

[Name removed]

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[JetCityLiberal]

120. fox news lying misogynist racist source 101

look at the posts, they and the source break all DU rules, look who defends this.

enough.

Paul

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

123. Here is another source with the exact same information.

http://www.newsobserver.com/home/story/345494.html

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

125. You might want to actually read the rules.

[joeglow3]

130. It was an AP article

Does the AP violate the rules of DU?

[friendly_iconoclast]

138. So it was inaccurate then? Show us where.

I'm no fan of Mr. Murdoch's Giant, All-Consuming Media Empire, but even they get something correct on occasion.

Stopped clock, etc.

[struggle4progress]

121. .. police said they found Mangum and her boyfriend .. fighting when they arrived .. just before

midnight. Mangum then went into a bathroom and set some clothes on fire in a bathtub ..

Woman in Lacrosse Case Is Arrested
SIGN IN TO RECOMMEND
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: February 18, 2010
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/19/sports/ncaabasketball/19duke.html

[JonLP24]

128. I've read that she has long history of

mental problems and treated for it in the past. If so I hope she can get help. Oh and she should be presumed innocent until proven guilty. ;)

[activa8tr]

129. A very good opening post to this thread, very informative, and at the same time

instructional to some of us new here.

Agree with what you said, in the last paragraph.

Well done.

[Sultana]

134. Guuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrlllll

:eyes:

[ecstatic]

139. Why are y'all so concerned? If she had accused black men of rape,

would anyone care?

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

141. I don't want anyone falsely accused of anything.

For starters the mere accusation can ruin lives. Secondly it makes it less likely that actual rapes will be reported, putting more women in danger.

[fishwax]

145. I wonder if she'll get a fair trial

Everyone here seems to assume she's guilty :hide:

[struggle4progress]

148. Probably won't go to trial. The attempted murder charges will go away,

though the arson and endangerment of children won't. The back-and-forth with her boyfriend caused one of her kids to call 911 in fear of her mother's life, so that's a fracas between two folk, and I might expect the charges to go away there, too. I'd guess that if she did set a fire, there's a plea bargain, and she might lose the kids

[warm regards]

153. Good points...