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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 12:34 PM
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‘Huge’ explosion reported at Conn. power plant
Edited on Sun Feb-07-10 12:38 PM by RamboLiberal
Source: MSNBC

MIDDLETOWN, Conn. - A large explosion at a power plant on Sunday has killed an unknown number of people and injured many others, officials report.

Middletown police told NBC News that the explosion was 'huge' and there were multiple injuries and fatalities. The fire department said they were dispatching crews to the scene.

A gas line exploded, according to Reuters, at the Kleen Energy plant in Middletown.

The Middletown Press said on its website ambulances and a helicopter were on the scene. It said the explosion was at the Kleen Energy plant.

Middletown is south of the city of Hartford.



Read more: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35283135/ns/us_news/
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4dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 12:40 PM
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1. People felt this for miles
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 12:40 PM
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2. Power plant explodes; many injured
Edited on Sun Feb-07-10 12:37 PM by onehandle
Source: Greenwich Times

A gas-fired power plant on the River Road in Middletown exploded earlier today, Middletown police have confirmed.

There are initial reports of mass casualties, as many as 75 people. About 30 ambulances have responded to the scene, as well as the two Lifestar helicopters. Homeland security is also on the scene.

A witness said the explosion caused a "massive ball of fire 40 to 50 feet into the air."

People miles away from the plant, some in Meriden and Wallingford, are reporting they felt the earth shake as a result of the explosion.

Read more: http://www.greenwichtime.com/news/article/Power-plant-explodes-many-injured-355283.php
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 12:41 PM
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3. Is that power plant under construction? My husband has been sitting here
Edited on Sun Feb-07-10 12:43 PM by hedgehog
for the last 5 minutes listing construction accidents/mistakes involving gas lines that could result in such an explosion.

I'm thinking that 75 people is a construction crew, not an operating staff.

More comment: my husband suggests that the fire ball indicates that an area filled with gas and then met oxygen and an ignition source.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 12:50 PM
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6. Construction crew may be right
One of the articles or comments talked about a billion dollar "project."
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 12:56 PM
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9. I think this natural gas power plant was not scheduled to go online until the middle of this year.
Just from what I was able to find on the internet.
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NutmegYankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 01:01 PM
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11. The word on the street was they were testing the engines (turbines).
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 01:05 PM
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12. This is what happened in a Russian hydro plant when a turbine failed
Edited on Sun Feb-07-10 01:10 PM by hedgehog


http://www.nce.co.uk/home/energy/catalogue-of-failure-led-to-russian-hydro-plant-disaster/5209117.article


Note: this was a hydro plant, but illustrates the kind of energy involved in a spinning turbine.
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Confusious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 02:16 PM
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30. A before picture was there too
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 12:42 PM
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4. Oh my god --
Prayers for all.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 12:46 PM
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5. Hartford Courant
Edited on Sun Feb-07-10 12:46 PM by RamboLiberal
MIDDLETOWN - Witnesses and emergency response authorities said as many as 100 people were injured and an undetermined number may have died when a massive explosion, which homeowners more than 10 miles away and mistook for an earth quake, blew up a power plant being built on the Connecticut River in the southern section of Middletown.

An hour after the explosion and what is believed to be the Kleen Energy Systems plant on River Road, emergency rescue personnel were continuing to arrive by vehicle and helicopter. Helicopters were airlifting victims to area hospitals.

Neighbors of the plant said as many as 100 employees may have been working there when the explosion took place. Confirmed information about damage and injuries from authorities was difficult to obtain.

A resident of East Hampton almost directly across the river from the plant said he heard a load booming explosion at about 11 a.m. Immediately afterward his house was hit with a concussion that caused him to believe someone had driven an automobile into his home. The concussion interrupted services at a nearby East Hampton church, causing parishioners to speculate that the area had just experienced an earthquake.

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A witness looking at the destruction from across the river in Portland said the main plant building seemed to have been substantially leveled.


http://www.courant.com/community/middletown/hc-middletown-explosion-0207,0,2838001.story
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 12:54 PM
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7. 2 confirmed dead. CNN
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 12:54 PM
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8. Possible scenario: Someone didn't weld a flange properly or didn't place
a gasket square. Alternative: defective part such as defective flex line. The line was pressurized ( and industrial gas pressures run at 200-300psi, it's delivered to your home at about 0.5psi), and whatever wasn't right, ruptured.

Alternative scenario: someone was tapping a weld-o-let on a line that was supposed to be full of nitrogen or pure gas and was full of a gas/air mixture instead.

Testing a turbine that fails test by crashing and tearing foundation loose.

Wild card: someone tore open a gas line with a fork truck or crane load.


My experience: I was in an aluminum plant looking over the installation of a new furnace and saw a set of stainless steel flanges on a water line. A year later, I was in the same plant and happened to notice that one of the flanges was rusting. There are a lot of forged materials out there; heat treated bolts that weren't heat treated, stainless items that aren't, brand name parts that came from a back street work shop etc.
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 12:57 PM
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10. Sounds like dangerous work.
Hoping for the best, although from the sounds of it a big explosion can't be good.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 01:22 PM
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17. Construction work is not inherently dangerous, but it has to be done
properly. That's why OSHA has so many regs. Explosions like this result in major news stories, but when OSHA was first enacted, a major cause of death and injury was the use of faulty ladders!
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 01:10 PM
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13. Another possibility: under the right conditions, propane actually
Edited on Sun Feb-07-10 01:18 PM by hedgehog
condenses out of natural gas. If they were running a turbine on natural gas and a slug of liquid propane hit the blades........
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InkAddict Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 01:11 PM
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14. Financial interests info (?)
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-179192719.html


http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-207957678.html


Bet there's a good reason it won't open on time now.

Sorry for the loss of life and a seemingly expensive accident. Hope all the banksters got theirs out of this one already.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 01:20 PM
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16. and some tech info to go with:
Kleen Energy Systems is a 620 MW combined cycle, dual fuel power plant located in Middletown Connecticut. The facility consists of 2 Siemens SGT6-PAC 5000F Combustion turbines, and 1 Siemens SST6-PAC5000 steam turbine, supplying power into the ISO New England system via CL&P 345 KV transmission line.

http://www.indeed.com/viewjob?t=Administrative+Assistant+-+Kleen+Energy&c=North+American+Energy+Services&l=Middletown,+CT&jk=66a0ddb1b1edc772


Siemens Energy has recently been awarded a contract by the EPC Contractor O&G Industries, Inc. to provide a turnkey 345 kV GIS substation for the Kleen Energy 620 megawatt combined cycle power plant in Connecticut. As the only technology company that provides products and solutions along the entire energy conversion chain, Siemens Energy will also provide the major rotating and plant control equipment for this project under separate contracts. The new power plant required the new substation to tie into existing transmission lines. The GIS substation contract is valued at more than USD26 million.

https://w3.energy.siemens.com/cms/us/press/Pages/Siemensreceivesordertoprovide345kVGISsubstationinConnecticut.aspx
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FarCenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 01:24 PM
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18. Is a 20 inch diameter lateral the feed into the plant?
The staff of the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC or Commission) will prepare an environmental assessment (EA) that will discuss the potential environmental impacts of the Kleen Energy Lateral Project involving the construction of approximately 1.13 miles of 20-inch-diameter natural gas transmission pipeline by Algonquin Gas Transmission, L.L.C. (AGT) in Middletown, Connecticut. ...

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P3-1562876941.html
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 01:29 PM
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20. It would be a typical supply line for a facility like this. And as I noted above,
the supply pressure would have been in the neighborhood of 200 to 300psi as compared to the 1/2 psi feed to your home appliances.


With this much gas, things can go very bad very quickly.
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InkAddict Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 02:08 PM
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28. Nah, problem was w/floor mat curling up causing unexpected
acceleration. (Oops, there's that evil :sarcasm: again)
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 01:15 PM
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15. Those poor families. My heart goes out to them right now. n/t
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 01:26 PM
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19. Vidoe shots suggest that they are putting out fires upstream on the gas line.
This would suggest there was a gas/air mixture in the line or a detonation in turbine that blew past the control valves.



I'm speculating on possible scenarios to illustrate that this is most likely an industrial accident caused by human error and not a terrorist incident.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 03:38 PM
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44. Thank you for getting ahead of the fear mongers. I have been waiting
for someone to start screaming about it.
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sce56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 01:29 PM
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21. A major accident





Medical rescue personnel said at least 100 were injured, four critically, and two were dead. "There are bodies everywhere," a witness said. Another witness said many victims may be buried in rubble

An hour after the explosion and what is believed to be the Kleen Energy Systems plant on River Road, emergency rescue personnel were continuing to arrive by vehicle and helicopter. Helicopters were airlifting victims to area hospitals.

There were as many as 20 ambulances at the plant.

Neighbors of the plant said as many as 100 employees may have been working there when the explosion took place. Confirmed information about damage and injuries from authorities was difficult to obtain.

` A witness said the explosion took place during a test of the plant's power generating systems.


As a person that is getting ready for a major plant overhaul I can say the only thing that makes sense to me is they had a leak in the Hydrogen cooling system, Most large generators are cooled with Hydrogen gas, or they made a major mistake and when paralleling for the first time they came in 180 degrees out of phase. Last fall my company did a major push for safety by introducing us to Human Performance Training. In that training we saw lots of examples of where one little mistake can snowball into a much larger mistake. Believe me we will be talking about this one at work for awhile.
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sce56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 02:27 PM
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34. Combined cycle using Industrial fuel fired turbines to generate electcity using both shaft driven
generators and steam driven turbines generators, they make the steam from the heat of the gas turbine exhaust. Where I work we have peakers that use aircraft design jet engines to turn a power wheel that spins the generator what is called Gas Coupled. Very inefficient but a late 60's design that can be online and making 155 Meggawatts in less about 10 minutes compared to 12 hours for the old fuel fired boilers that make steam for turning the turbines


Single Shaft Combined Cycle Plant



Multi-Shaft Combined Cycle Plant, steam turbine and generator are on the left side of the diagram.



Danvers, MA – Vogt Power International Inc., located in Louisville, KY, a subsidiary of Babcock Power Inc., based in Danvers, MA, announced today that it has been selected to supply Kleen Energy Systems, LLC’s Heat Recovery Steam Generators (HRSGs) for the Kleen Energy Project in Middletown, Connecticut.

Vogt Power will design, manufacture and deliver two fuel gas fired, three pressure level reheat, natural circulation HRSGs with SCR (selective catalytic reduction) and CO systems to remove harmful emissions, Nitrogen Oxide (NOx) and Carbon Monoxide (CO) respectively, from the dual-fuel (natural gas and fuel oil) gas turbine exhaust stream. The HRSGs will also include a stack silencer, acoustic shroud and steam silencers. Vogt’s HRSGs will be installed behind Siemens SGT6-5000FD3 gas turbines.

“We are pleased that our equipment was selected to contribute to the efficient, clean and reliable generation of electricity for the residents of Connecticut,” said Mike LeClair, President of Vogt Power International. “Preserving the environment is important to us, therefore we encourage all our employees to provide our customers with the most cost effective, environmentally responsible solutions utilizing all of the resources available to them, and the HRSGs we are supplying for Kleen Energy reflect this commitment.”

Kleen Energy Systems, LLC is a special-purpose company created solely to develop own and operate the Kleen Energy Project.

Babcock Power Inc., through its subsidiaries, is one of the world’s leading suppliers of technology, equipment, and services to the power generation industry. Babcock Power subsidiary companies include; Vogt Power International (Louisville, KY), Thermal Engineering International (USA) Inc. (Santa Fe Springs, CA), Babcock Power Environmental, Riley Power Inc. and Babcock Power Services (Worcester, MA), Boiler Tube Company of America (Lyman, SC), and TEi Construction Services, Inc. (Duncan, SC).

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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 01:29 PM
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22. See, nuclear power is dangero... Oh wait, this is a gas-fired plant? Oh never mind...
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 01:34 PM
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24. The difference is, the only people injured were actually close enough to
be involved in the explosion. Middletown is not being evacuated.

On the other hand, if this accident was the result of human error, are we absolutely certain there are no opportunities for human error at every single nuclear plant?
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northernlights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 01:52 PM
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26. if this had been a nuclear plant
the explosion would have been bigger and that big cloud you see in the pics....well, you know what that would have been spreading...
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Confusious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 02:22 PM
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33. The smoking gun would have been a mushroom cloud?
Edited on Sun Feb-07-10 02:29 PM by Confusious
Nuclear power plants can't create a nuclear explosion. Please get your facts right.

Chernobyl popped it's cork because they had no primary or secondary containment and use graphite as a regulator, unlike American plants. It was a stupid design from the start, which most countries, who are in their right minds, haven't used since the 1940's.
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northernlights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 02:40 PM
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36. and an explosion at a nuclear plant can't possibly spread radioactive stuff?
Edited on Sun Feb-07-10 02:43 PM by northernlights
I wasn't even thinking of a mushroom-shaped cloud...only whether the cloud would be dumping radioactive stuff on my head in a couple days.

And of course 3 mile island never actually did meltdown, so that never happens either.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 03:02 PM
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38. Nah, it's so safe that they pass out the potassium iodide
anti-radiation pills to everyone living near nuclear plants just because it's cool.:eyes:
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 03:39 PM
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46. Having lived near two plants most of my life
I have never seen these pills. Nor were there any notable incidents over the decades I have lived around nuke plants.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 03:53 PM
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53. Our municipalities offer them on a regular basis for free.
They send out a mailer as to when they are available. Your local governments seem to be not doing their job. Also, our telephone book has detailed information on the pills, the sirens and what to do in case of a nuclear accident. In short, they tell you to take the pills and get the fuck out of town.
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Confusious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 03:59 PM
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55. So your saying you don't have to take them all the time
Edited on Sun Feb-07-10 04:03 PM by Confusious
"They send out a mailer as to when they are available"

"In short, they tell you to take the pills and get the fuck out of town."

So they do this in case of emergency, not all the time as you stated before.

So how many times have you heard the siren and told to get the fuck out of town? And it wasn't a drill?

Maybe the MSM is hiding the truth from us, and people are abandoning towns all across the country.

Probably more like the town council is made up of anti-nuke fearmongers.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 04:06 PM
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59. Hello!!!
When did I say you have to take pills all the time? I said they are available all the time and it's recommended that you take them if there is a nuclear accident. We all have them in our medicine cabinets but we don't take them every day. They are there if the unthinkable happens. I never stated it would be otherwise than an emergency and since our nuke sits on two earthquake faults that could be any time. Your argument is ridiculous. You know there would only be one emergency and the consequences would last 50,000 years.
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Confusious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 04:16 PM
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64. An American nuclear reactor can withstand the
Edited on Sun Feb-07-10 04:16 PM by Confusious
Impact of of a 747. Most have passive safeties to shut them down.

Japan has quakes all the time, and uses nuclear for a majority of their power.

And if it's going to be radioactive for 50,000 years, then it's really nothing to worry about, not because we may not be around, but because it's not all that radioactive.

carbon-14 is more radioactive then that, it lasts 5,700 years. But guess what? it's in your body right now. Where did it come from? The earth. It's made by cosmic rays hitting the outer atmosphere.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 04:22 PM
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Confusious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 03:43 PM
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48. Ends justify the means?
Edited on Sun Feb-07-10 03:43 PM by Confusious
lie about anti-radiation pills

Isn't that what republicans do?
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 03:56 PM
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54. I don't get what you are saying.
Are you saying that they are lying about the efficacy of the anti-radiation pills? Well, I won't disagree. I doubt if they are very helpful. What I am saying is if there is such a thing as anti-radiation pills, even if only a placebo, those in the know, do know something isn't right.
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Confusious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 04:01 PM
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56. What I'm saying is that your making it sound

Like you have to take these pills all the time, which I would say is a lie.

And the pills do work, they keep radioactive iodine from being taken up into your lymph nodes.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 04:08 PM
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60. I reread my post and no where did I say that we take them all the time.
Please read more carefully.
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Confusious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 04:17 PM
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65. That's what it sounded like

And I'm used to anti-nuke people distorting facts.
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 09:18 PM
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78. Wow, just wow.
The 'anti-radiation pills' are potassium iodide, which blocks the uptake of radioactive iodine isotopes. The thyroid is a sponge for Idodine, and taking non-radioactive iodide saturates it, so it doesn't wolf up a bunch of radioactive crap. That's all those pills do.

But they are a good thing to have. Hey, guess what, I live downstream from a dam. We have emergency plans and warning systems in place too, just in case. Comes with the territory. Don't like it? Go find a cave somewhere.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 10:09 PM
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79. Sorry it's not just the same thing and I'm sorry you damned up your stream.
You wouldn't have that problem then. However, you are always in danger of what Mother Nature throws at you, like earthquakes, tornados, hurricanes, firestorms, etc., so why do we deliberately add to the danger?
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 10:13 PM
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80. So people like me and you can have a conversation with each other while thousands of miles apart
in the warm comfort of our homes, etc.

If nuclear power plants had accidents at anything even approaching the rate of coal or petrochemical plants, we honestly wouldn't be using them. Part of why they are so damn expensive to build, the risk of failure is too great to do the 'lowest bidder' thing.

This accident? Easily affordable via insurance. Which is, quite sad.

Also, we still have our river. There's just a new obstacle for spawning fish to deal with, and we have measures in place to facilitate that too.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 10:22 PM
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81. Well, my home isn't so warm. I'm glad yours is.
Edited on Sun Feb-07-10 10:23 PM by Cleita
I decided I have better things to spend my money on other than propane, which only keeps the oil corporations in business. It's good that your dam project actually worried about spawning fish. Years ago, in another state, we had to get a bucket brigade to move the salmon upstream because of a dam that lowered the water too low for them to jump the 'ladders'. Most of the residents told us to go to Hell. Who cared about a bunch of fish? I hope we can put our nuke plant, built on two earthquake faults, to rest one of these days by trying to get the majority of property owners to put solar on their roofs and property with reverse meters. The fact that this hasn't been done seriously is because people get complacent and think things are okay when they aren't.
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 10:28 PM
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82. Are you running solar power right now?
Are you part of the solution?
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 10:30 PM
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83. I would be if I weren't a renter. I have been trying to talk the owners into it.
They like the idea but find it very expensive right now, but it's on their back burner.
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Confusious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 03:50 PM
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51. Well, if your going to talk about a cloud
Edited on Sun Feb-07-10 03:54 PM by Confusious
and an explosion, a mushroom cloud is what people are going to think, and I'm positive you knew it "that big cloud you see in the pics"

If you also looked up the design of these reactors, there's nothing to cause an explosion, except the fears of science illiterates.


No one died from three mile island, and no new cases of illness were from it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Mile_Island_accident

A little was released, and the rest was contained.
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NutmegYankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 04:32 PM
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69. People fear what they do not understand. And they prove they don't understand it every time. nt
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northernlights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 06:31 PM
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74. in my science classes we are not allowed to use wiki as a source
and as to "no one died from three mile island, and no new cases of illness were from it" well, there are people who were there who would dispute that.
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Confusious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 08:19 PM
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76. Well, that's unfortunate
Edited on Sun Feb-07-10 08:21 PM by Confusious
My science class allows it, and so did my history teachers. Studies have show they no more error prone then regular encyclopedias. I would not take them on face value for any gossip about celebrities, but from what I know about history after 30 years of study, they are accurate. That goes for science also.

http://news.cnet.com/Study-Wikipedia-as-accurate-as-Britannica/2100-1038_3-5997332.html

The study is from the nature group of scientific mags, and they are usually ranked #1 or #2, so you're missing out

http://archive.sciencewatch.com/jan-feb2005/sw_jan-feb2005_page1.htm

Nice try. play again?


And there are some who would dispute the moon landings and the fact that that the earth is round. People don't listen to them much.
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Confusious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 08:40 PM
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77. If you want a direct link here's one from the gob'ment

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1241416/pdf/ehp0111-a0166b.pdf

People outside the plant got an AVERAGE 9mrem (millirem) exposure (with a high of 25mrem) while an AVERAGE human being in the middle of NOWHERE gets 300mrem in a year.

Wow! we should all be glowing!
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 02:10 PM
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29. "Nuclear poison has other dangers that persist for millennia." -The Mutants
Edited on Sun Feb-07-10 02:11 PM by SpiralHawk
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 02:50 PM
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37. Kinda looks like Liebermoron.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 06:40 PM
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75. Carbon dioxide had dangerous that will last for millenia.
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FarCenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 02:27 PM
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35. First Middletown, PA, now Middltown, CT -- I see a pattern developing...
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 03:21 PM
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42. It's not time to put your tin foil hat on yet, however, you could keep
track of the Middletowns in this country and see what happens. A quick google shows one in Indiana and another in Ohio. I'm sure there are more.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 03:43 PM
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47. Middletown, Delaware
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 04:09 PM
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61. I had no idea there was one in PA.
The Middletown in CT is right next to the CT River. Wesleyan University is there (where a shooting happened last year).
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FarCenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 04:22 PM
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67. It is adjacent to Three Mile Island. -- there is a Middletown in NJ as well
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 04:40 PM
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70. 3 Mile Island? Maybe there is a pattern.
Actually, it was a natural gas plant.
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FarCenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 01:33 PM
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23. List of pipeline accidents
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 01:37 PM
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25. The teabaggers join in on Twitter Connecticut:
FairTaxNancy RT @TeaPartyNJ: Middletown, Connecticut Kleen Energy Plant being pushed to come online at last weeks Town Council Meeting. http://bit.ly/baPGwq #EXPLOSION half a minute ago from web
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 02:21 PM
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31. "being pushed to come online"
What a load of crap. This plant was a new clean energy project that wasn't due to be live until the summer.

http://www.highsteel.com/project_gallery/building_and_industrial/KleenEnergyPowerPlant.cfm
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 04:10 PM
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62. Middletown is not really a Rethug town.
Edited on Sun Feb-07-10 04:14 PM by Jennicut
45% Dem, 15% Repub, and 39.5% unaffiliated. It does have a Repub mayor right now. Not a bastion of RW thinking there though. More of moderate kind of a town. It does have some museums and Wesleyan University.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 01:53 PM
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27. I live about 35 minutes from Middletown. This is scary. Found a local report about it
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 02:22 PM
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32. I am about 45 minutes away near Mohegan Sun and people
Edited on Sun Feb-07-10 02:23 PM by jonnyblitz
in towns somewhat near me, ie. Ledyard and Mystic, claim they felt it. I didn't notice anything. :shrug:
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 03:02 PM
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39. I didn't feel it either but I bet those in Portland did.
Edited on Sun Feb-07-10 03:03 PM by Jennicut
I have been to Middletown tons of times...to Kid City, a children's museum and to Harbor Park to see bands play. Hopefully the people that are injured recover okay.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 03:07 PM
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40. I didn't feel anything either
And I think I am closer to M-Town then Ledyard and Mystic is. :shrug:

Terrible tragedy. :(
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NutmegYankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 04:24 PM
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68. I didn't feel it either, and i'm closer than Mystic. nt
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gypsy11 Donating Member (286 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 05:40 PM
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71. I felt it...
I'm about 30 minutes south. I thought it was a small earthquake- rattled my windows a little.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 03:12 PM
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41. A little off topic, but there are some really sick comments to that video.
I pray for the workers and their families and for the tea baggers who think this is funny and the fault of our present administration.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 03:39 PM
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45. The people in my city
of Jacksonville, FL post the same kind of hateful remarks about *anything* bad which happens, blaming it all on Obama or the democratic party. They can thank the irresponsible republican mayor for making this place go downhill, and themselves for putting him into office.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 04:03 PM
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57. Typical for youtube so I am not surprised.
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 04:04 PM
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58. you can count on ignorant remarks no matter what the topic
everywhere on the internet.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 03:31 PM
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43. Went around the channels and didn't see anything on this . . . but
Edited on Sun Feb-07-10 03:31 PM by defendandprotect
if our own infrastructure is decaying due to right wing insanities --

we can be sure that capitalism hasn't kept up with theirs either!!

In fact, the nuclear plants are far from being well-maintained -- and there

are 106 of them -- about 2 in every state!!

AND, it takes about 6 months to properly shut them down!!


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Sisaruus Donating Member (703 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 03:47 PM
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49. Lifestar helicopters called in from neighboring states
On local ABC news now: Urban search and rescue team searching the site. Homes across the river have cracks in walls. Houses 30 miles away felt the explosion and reported things falling off shelves.
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activa8tr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 03:50 PM
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50. Some video and an interview going on just a few min ago...
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 03:53 PM
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52. Details

Al Santostefano, Middletown Deputy Fire Marshal told NewsCore that 50 construction workers were at the Kleen Energy power plant when the explosion occurred. Santostefano confirmed that there were fatalities and injuries, but could not confirm the number of injured or dead.


He told the Hartford Courant the devastating blast occurred as workers attempted a "blow down," or purge, of natural gas pipelines. Early reports are that the cause was a gas leak.

The search and rescue efforts are ongoing, Santostefano told NewsCore. He said he did not know of any plant workers at the location during the blast. He also said people may be trapped underneath the rubble and that emergency officials were conducting search and rescue operations.

The Hartford Courant reported medical rescue personnel as saying that there were at least two fatalities, and as many as 100 people injured, including four in critical condition. The paper also reported that as many as 20 ambulances were on scene and quoted a witness as saying "there are bodies everywhere."

The Connecticut Post reported that four people were pulled from the rubble with life-threatening injuries and a source at the scene told the Post that the death toll will rise beyond two.The Post also reported a source on scene as saying that the search and rescue operation had turned into a recovery operation as state police were on scene with rescue dogs.

Local affiliate WFSB reported that 2 had died and 250 were injured in the explosion.


http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/massive_conn_power_plant_explosion_4JR8aqrWF28B9GlTW77z1K#ixzz0esy5jtcc



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activa8tr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 04:10 PM
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63. NY Post says 250 people there, other reports say 50 people there.
Just wanted to correct that.

Many injured, at least 2 and perhaps more dead.
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Sisaruus Donating Member (703 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 05:47 PM
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72. Now reporting at least 5 dead, unknown # missing
Press conference underway. Authorities and owners don't know how many people were there when the explosion occurred.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 06:02 PM
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73. They want to build one of these monstrosities in my town of Brockton, Massachusetts.
Edited on Sun Feb-07-10 06:05 PM by Ian David
No way.

Let them build it in Weymouth.

That's where Scott Brownshirt won his largest share of the vote:
http://news.google.com/news/search?aq=f&um=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&q=weymouth+scott+brown+

See prior threads:

Power Plant in Brockton
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=158x12532

State sides with Harrington's Brockton power plant in conservation dispute
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=158x15096

Battle over Brockton Diesel Power Plant expected to intensify
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=158x15496

Teaming up to take on Brockton's Harrington Power Plant
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=158x14367

Brockton's Harrington power plant blasted for wetland impacts
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=158x14109



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