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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 02:30 PM
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Report: FBI questions Haskell family about alleged Flight 253 passport accomplice
Source: MLive

By Jonathan Oosting | MLive.com
December 30, 2009, 6:03AM

Taylor-based attorney Kurt Haskell on Saturday told MLive.com he witnessed a well-dressed man on Friday try to help suspected Flight 253 terrorist Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab board the Detroit-bound flight in Amsterdam without a passport.

Haskell and his wife took their story to the national media on Monday, and apparently the FBI took notice.

Lori Haskell tells the Detroit Free Press that federal agents yesterday questioned her and her husband about the allegations.

The FBI questioned the couple separately at their law office in Taylor, she said, talking to her for about ten minutes and showing her photographs of suspects, one of which she recognized ...

Read more: http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2009/12/report_fbi_questions_haskell_f.html



Dutch counter-terrorism agency: Flight 253 suspect Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab had valid Nigerian passport, U.S. visa

... According to Reuters, NCTb and Dutch military police had been investigating the claims of Michigan attorney Kurt Haskell, who first told MLive.com he witnessed a well-dressed man try to help Abdulmutallab board the flight in Amsterdam without a passport.

The NCTb reportedly reviewed CCTV video and other evidence, and as CBS states, their investigation "into Abdulmutallab's passport pokes holes in the theory that the alleged bomber had help evading security."

But Haskell, who talked yesterday with the FBI, is sticking by his account.

"I never stated he didn't have a passport," he told MLive.com this morning. "I stated he was trying to board without a passport, what transpired after that I don't know" ...

http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2009/12/dutch_counter-terrorism_agency.html
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 02:32 PM
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1. Hmmmm....
would poke holes in the GOP blame game alright
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 02:34 PM
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2. If you can find and post their original interview on CNN -
Edited on Wed Dec-30-09 02:36 PM by DURHAM D
its makes the story easier to follow.

on edit: I just checked - its in DU videos already.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 02:40 PM
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5. Passengers on Detroit Flight Witness Accomplice and Passenger Video
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 02:35 PM
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3. the officials at the airport will know what happened
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 06:30 PM
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32. They'll know, but will they be too busy covering their own asses to talk about it?
This is probably the highest profile thing those people have ever been through.
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robo50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 02:38 PM
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4. Haskell family, is this just a case of Eddie Haskell from Leave it to Beaver now
grown up and making waves?

I'd like to know the full story, but so far, I don't trust these folks, I think they are seeking their fifteen minutes of fame, and showing off some children, getting on the teevee, all that.

If this is something serious, why go on CNN? If this is something serious, why bring up the kids? I'm sorry, I'm having a hard time believing they would be the ONLY ONES who saw this incident in a crowded airport boarding area, so crowded that these folks were sitting on the floor with no available chairs.

I'm holding off on the final judgment, but something is hinky about this story.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 02:43 PM
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6. I think you didn't watch the video.
The couple didn't mention (perhaps don't have) any children.
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eomer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 04:35 PM
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21. The children were related to the other passenger that was interviewed, not related to the Haskells.
Just a bit of confusion about who was who in the video.

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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 02:49 PM
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8. The something "hinky" doesn't start with the Haskell's
there's something Hinky about the whole thing. The guy attempting to blow up a plane with a substance and a syringe of acid. I understand that if it was the substance they were stating it was, then it requires a blasting cap to set off, not acid. One would have thought that Al Queada would have given their method a trial run on the ground before getting this kid on a plane to act it out. Suddenly Al Queada has gotten to be pretty stupid, because IMO this attempt was poorly thought out.
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robo50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 03:25 PM
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14. I tend to agree. This is a very strange set of circumstances all around.
Obama, to his credit, yesterday, had it right. The US security system is all screwed up to have let this guy get near a plane to the USA.

So now we all will have to have naked pictures taken of us at airports because some CIA guys intentionally dropped the ball on intelligence to make Obama look bad. IMO
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 03:42 PM
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15. I've refused to fly since 911. Not because I'm afraid
I just refuse to allow myself to be subjected to the treatment. And until this country comes to it's senses in regards to what will and what will not keep us safe, I will not get on a plane and pay for being treated like a criminal.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 05:34 PM
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29. ditto n/t
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robo50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 09:10 PM
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41. I'm sure you're not alone. But I fly often, and don't really have a problem
with someone taking all my clothes off, taking all the pictures they want, (ugly pictures!)..

100 years ago, my grandfather never got to fly to France, Germany, the Netherlands, England, Florida, California, even Detroit!

I'm just thankful for the world and the life I have lived. I could choose to be embarrassed, angry, confused, whatever emotion...I prefer to celebrate my life, and enjoy it, and be so thankful I was not a 9/11 victim. We all have choices to make in life, I choose life, and to celebrate ALL of it, despite all those others that were not as fortunate as I have been and continue to be.
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 10:03 PM
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43. Good for you
you made the choice that is right for you and I made the choice that is right for me. There's no where I want to go that I need to fly to.
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ArcticFox Donating Member (654 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 06:27 PM
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30. Something strange indeed
This sounds more like an intelligence-agency run scheme than something undertaken by serious terrorists. It seems like an attempt to point a finger at Nigeria and/or Yemen (where I understand the U.S. is now taking military action), possibly to justify or suggest military action in one of those places. Somebody might be trying to get Obama to do something stupid.

If this had been a serious attempt to take down a plane, somebody surely would have given the guy the means to actually detonate his explosive charge. Why would you go through all the hassle of getting an agent onto an airplane with PETN in his pants, but ensure only that he'll burn off his balls?

Most people (in America at least) are ignorant of the fact that it takes much more than a match to set off high explosives. It takes what amounts to a small explosive charge, a detonator. The intelligence agents behind this operation would have certainly taken that ignorance into account. It also seems reasonable that they would expect that probably nobody would notice the man in the suit helping the Nigerian onto the airplane.
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Prometheus Bound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 04:06 PM
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19. How do you known they are the ONLY ones who saaw it?
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robo50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 09:12 PM
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42. I don't know, but no one else is getting teevee time and free publicity
for their enterprise.

Think about it.
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Prometheus Bound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 10:06 PM
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44. I think most people just don't want to get involved.
So they'd just keep quiet about what they saw. These two are lawyers and aren't afraid to speak out it seems. I'm having a hard time imagining why they would make up such a story. Just for 15 minutes of fame? They're not really the type.
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eilen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 08:48 PM
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91. I have the opposite intuition about this
There is no reason for this guy to lie and the entire incident of an Al Quida recruit attempting to take down an airplane over Detroit (for god's sake, Detroit?!) is hinky.

Some things I found perplexing. This guy immediately tells the FBI he is working with our Enemy No. 1 and they release it to the press before the President addresses the situation. What ever happened to "under investigation, more information needed, no comment." Very sloppy. One thing about Obama, he generally does not "do sloppy." Too many information leaks.

Then Janet N., very officially "on message" but either sadly out of the loop or purposefully ostentatiously facetious stating "the system worked." That interview was good for 72 hours of backbiting interview grist, gossip and drama.

Annnnnd I am very tired of people being discredited, their reputations impugned etc. because of a. their ministers, their neighbors, their interviewers, their teachers, grant givers, and others who cosign position statements with them. It is nasty and very redbaitey/McCarthy like. Who was it that said "Politics make strange bedfellows?" Just because you don't agree with someone doesn't mean that sometimes they are not right about some things. That is black and white thinking when the world is really many varying shades of grey.

This situation is why many don't get involved.
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Don Caballero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 02:44 PM
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7. Enough with the conspiracy theories of the Haskells
They are not credible. We must not listen to what they are saying.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 03:06 PM
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10. Yeah. Abdulmutallab's father thinks he has info and goes to the CIA. Haskell thinks he has info
and hits the media circuit. The Dutch say Abdulmutallab had a passport; Haskell backtracks and claims he never said he didn't have a passport. Current reports suggest airport surveillance video doesn't support Haskell's account. The current best guess seems to be that he's an attention hound. And there's the oddity that nobody else noticed this alleged security breach and Haskell only notices it some time later:



... Question: Did anybody else get wind of exchange?
Haskell: No, I don't think anybody else was even paying attention. It was such a non-event. I though so little of this, I didn't even repeat it to my wife who was sitting next to me. To me it was just two men that looked strange together, and nothing else ...
Videos: Kurt and Lori Haskell talk Flight 253, passport 'accomplice' and FBI questioning
By Jonathan Oosting | MLive.com
December 29, 2009, 11:43AM
http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2009/12/kurt_haskell_shares_claim_of_f.html
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 03:51 PM
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17. Haskill is an attorney, he did not back track. He spoke attorney-ese
Most attorneys carefully chose their words when speaking and making statements. He said he heard the ticket person and another man talking about the guy boarding without a passport. He did not say at any time the guy did not have a passport. There is a difference.

Also too, (had to get the Palin-ese in there) the Haskills said they went to the FBI right away and that they had had no further contact with them since. They did not hit the airwaves running right off the plane.

Perhaps a little more critical thinking on your part and the need to deprecate what these people are saying, might not be necessary?
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 05:00 PM
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23. (1) He didn't go to the FBI: he was debriefed with other passengers, then hit the talk circuit
to push his theory that another person (a well-dressed Indian) was involved and to complain the FBI hadn't contacted him for a follow-up interview. If he actually had reason to think there were an accomplice, then (of course) broadcasting that fact to the whole world would have been entirely irresponsible of him

(2) Since the guy had a passport, Haskell's story makes no sense whatsoever. A person, engaged in a conspiracy to smuggle some contraband aboard an aircraft, would have no incentive to stand out from the crowd in strange ways, nor would his accomplices have any motive to call attention to themselves. The guy had a valid Nigerian passport and illegal undies; why then would he and an accomplice try to get him on-board without a passport and a story that he was from Sudan? It's pointless: there's too much that could go wrong, and everything could unravel too quickly; and there's the danger of both being arrested.

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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 11:06 PM
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53. Funny we haven't seen the passport, isn't it? We've seen his undies but not something documenting ..
... his travels. Especially something on his person at the time of his arrest.
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eomer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 04:41 PM
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22. He didn't backtrack. He pointed out a fact that was obvious to anyone paying attention.
He never claimed the guy didn't have a passport; after all, how could he possibly have known that? What he claimed originally is the same as what he pointed out in the clarification -- that he heard the helper guy *say* that he didn't have a passport. He is merely pointing out what should have been obvious anyway.

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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 10:55 PM
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52. Don't be like him. Get your facts straight. He DID claim the guy didn't have a passport
"And I could hear the entire conversation. The only person that spoke was the Indian man. And what he said was, this man needs to board the plane, but he doesn't have a passport. And the ticket agent responded, well, if he doesn't have a passport, he can't get on the plane, to which the Indian man responded back, he's from Sudan. We do this all the time.

And the ticket agent said, well, then, you will have to go and talk to my manager. And she directed them down a hallway. "

From: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0912/28/acd.01.html
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eomer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 04:43 AM
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85. No, he claimed that he heard a conversation and he reported what was said in the conversation.
Please read your quote more carefully:

"And what he said was, this man needs to board the plane, but he doesn't have a passport."

Every bit of your quote is Haskell reporting what he *heard* in the conversation. In no part of it does he claim to know whether the guy really had a passport or not.

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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 05:13 PM
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25. It just blows me away how people jump on this to discredit Haskell
First his dad went to the embassy not the CIA.
And if the current reports show nothing then all they have to do is show the video.
And he did not first go to the media he was interviewed by the FBI right away.

I am flabbergasted by those that immediately jump on the witness and claim he is an attention hound and made it all up....what is wrong with you people? Have you drunk any cool aid or just been assimilated into the Borg?
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ArcticFox Donating Member (654 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 06:30 PM
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31. Would you notice?
A lot of people are in their own world when waiting on a plane.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 08:32 PM
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39. His story doesn't make any sense
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RainMickey Donating Member (150 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 10:48 PM
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49. Why not? What's wrong with the story? n/t
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 11:17 PM
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54. OK. I'll say it again. Suppose you decide to smuggle contraband on an international flight.
It doesn't matter what it is: you've got a pound of heroin wrapped in condoms shoved up your drugmule anus, or you're wearing explosive panties, or you want to violate currency laws, or whatever. And you've got a valid Nigerian passport. Your object is to get on the frickin plane without attracting undue attention, right? If you have a network of accomplices, they don't want to be seen with you anywhere near the airport, since if you screw the pooch, they'd be right there holding the puppies. So you're just gonna flash your passport and quietly board the plane. But, no, in this story, Mr. Ballblaster supposedly calls attention to himself by claiming not to have a passport -- and then Mr. Accomplice shows up to help get him on the plane as an undocumented Sudanese refugee. See what's wrong? Questions will be surely asked. The airline doesn't want to fly Mr. Ballblaster to the USA and then fly him back for free when he turns out to be undocumented. If enough questions are asked, the Nigerian passport will appear, and then there will be the little matter of why Mr. Ballblaster lied about his passport and being Sudanese and just what the hell is going on. Meanwhile, Mr. Accomplice has compromised himself as well. For what? Mr. Ballblaster has a passport. It doesn't make any sense
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 11:28 PM
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55. If the objective was a Christmas gift to America and the kid misplaced his passport, it's not much..
... of a stretch.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 01:47 AM
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66. ... Dutch security officials said Abdulmutallab was carrying a valid Nigerian passport and U.S. visa
CBS News reported. Both documents are now in the custody of federal officials, the source confirmed ... http://detnews.com/article/20091231/METRO/912310430/Passenger-videos-may-aid-case-against-Flight-253-terrorist-suspect

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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 01:47 AM
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67. ... Abdulmutallab was carrying a valid Nigerian passport and a valid U.S. travel visa ...
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 01:49 AM
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69. ... When he purchased his ticket from Lagos to Amsterdam on Dec. 16, a Nigerian official said, his
his passport and U.S. visa were scanned ... http://www.juneauempire.com/stories/123009/opi_541037183.shtml
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 01:50 AM
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71. ... Holland’s counter-terrorism agency said Wednesday, Abdulmutallab did present a passport to
authorities in Amsterdam before boarding the Detroit-bound plane. Abdulmutallab was carrying a valid Nigerian passport and had a valid U.S. visa, the Dutch said ... http://chattahbox.com/world/2009/12/30/refuting-witnesses-claim-dutch-say-abdulmutallab-had-passport/
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 03:16 PM
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11. Don't know about that
They are a married couple who both practice law. What exactly is not credible there? Be specific.
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Don Caballero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 03:20 PM
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12. This thread on DU should clear up conspiracy theories
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 03:46 PM
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16. Since when...
...does being a lawyer equal credibility?

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Brother Buzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 04:09 PM
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20. Since Orly Taitz splashed in the news
Oh, wait! :rofl:
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 09:32 AM
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89. The Haskells are merely publicly reporting what they saw and heard. Not a conspiracy theory.
They look credible to me, and more worthy of close examination than anything you have to say on the subject.

Very trollish comment by you.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 02:59 PM
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9. The well-dressed man is hiding in a box in Haskell's attic. n/t
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 03:25 PM
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13. Wally and Beaver will snitch him out.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 03:56 PM
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18. They'll give him the business. n/t
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Ysabela Donating Member (208 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 05:04 PM
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24. And now begins the effort to discredit the people who saw the CIA handler....
*sigh*
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 05:18 PM
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26. As they have always done.
And that is why we repeat the same things over and over again.
They are trying to make it so that if you see something fishy you had best keep it to yourself if it disagrees with what we are told.
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ArcticFox Donating Member (654 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 06:33 PM
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33. Thank you.
That's spot on.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 10:51 PM
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50. It was the mossad..
the cia is not interesting enough. Mossad sounds better, they need american funding to end the world. They make a better enemy..

christ on a cracker...
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Ysabela Donating Member (208 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 02:49 AM
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84. Possible, but unlikely. The "Indian" man was likely Pakistani, which means ISI. ISI=CIA.
But I wouldn't put it past Mossad. After all, Mossad got wind of the 9/11 attacks ahead of time and made sure they fully documented the event, so as to be able to blackmail the US elites into not confronting Israel's policies or risk being exposed over 9/11.
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mirrera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 12:24 AM
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92. LOL... ding ding ding!
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CK_John Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 05:30 PM
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27. These two sound like the gate crash couple, one step removed.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 05:31 PM
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28. another case like Balloon Boy Dad and White House Crashers ?
these people should get worse punishment than balloon boy dad and white house crashers if they did lie since they are misleading about important security issues.

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ArcticFox Donating Member (654 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 06:37 PM
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34. Cherry or Strawberry?
What kind of kool-aid are you drinking these days? What incentive would these people have to lie? They're from Taylor, Michigan, right? Not exactly the kind of place you go if you're an attention-seeker.

This was clearly an intelligence false-flag operation.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 06:50 PM
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35. yes
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seeinfweggos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 08:03 PM
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38. how is it "clearly" a false flag operation?
you mean you have a strong hunch it is? i agree that attention seeking would seem unlikely in this situation (at least i hope to god the "reality" teevee culture hasn't gotten that bad.) but you have no evidence that this was anyone other than al quaeda or someone at least inspired by their particularly putrid brand of religiosity.
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ArcticFox Donating Member (654 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 12:57 PM
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90. The guy nobody talks about helping with the boarding process
And particularly the fact that nobody is talking about him, and that there is a campaign to discredit the Haskell guy who brought him to our attention.

That is why I think it is clear. Additionally, if I were a terrorist able to get my hands on a high explosive, I wouldn't be dumb enough to think it would explode without a detonator.

You are correct. It is a strong hunch. Obviously, whatever evidence there may be to support my hunch is not going to reach the mass media in this country. However, your evidence contradicting my strong hunch is quite unreliable.

The best anyone can offer to counter my hunch is a belief in the truthfulness of our government and mass media, both of which have demonstrated over and over that they cannot be relied upon for unvarnished truth, and neither of which is going to dig any deeper into this once somebody in Yemen says "I'm from Al Quaeda - I did it."
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 09:20 AM
Response to Reply #34
88. Clearly...
it was the cia and mossad and all the people who did the mihop on 9/11.
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 07:25 PM
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36. Kurt Haskell made his first post here at DU this morning at 8:26am ET
It was in an LBN thread based upon a Detroit News report in which Haskell played a major role. The article and thread dated back to Monday afternoon.

At 8:36, the entire thread was moved to the dungeon.

I know. Just a coincidence.
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Brother Buzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 07:58 PM
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37. At 8:26am Kurt Haskell made his only post
Drive by or an impostor? :shrug:
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 10:41 PM
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47. Here are his posts at mlive.com. Compare those with 'his' post here.
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Brother Buzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 10:54 PM
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51. Odd. Is he implying the terrorist was switched at some point?
    I got a several minute close up look of the terrorist in Amsterdam and he has quite a different look about him. Further, there were very few black persons on our flight or at the airport and he was rather easy for me to identify later.


'Curiouser and curiouser!'
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KurtHaskell Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 02:08 AM
Response to Reply #51
76. KH Response
Let me clarify. I meant he looked different than a typical black man.

There were 3 terrorists/accomplices in my opinion:
1. sharp dressed man.
2. man in orange
3. black teenager (really 23)
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KurtHaskell Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 01:44 AM
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63. KH Response
Give me a break guys.............
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KurtHaskell Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 01:43 AM
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62. KH Response
Real Deal
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 08:41 PM
Response to Reply #36
40. In the interests of fairness, I'll provide a link to that post:
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 10:34 PM
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45. Well, he's definitely contradicted himself. He DID say he didn't have a passport!
"And I could hear the entire conversation. The only person that spoke was the Indian man. And what he said was, this man needs to board the plane, but he doesn't have a passport. And the ticket agent responded, well, if he doesn't have a passport, he can't get on the plane, to which the Indian man responded back, he's from Sudan. We do this all the time.

And the ticket agent said, well, then, you will have to go and talk to my manager. And she directed them down a hallway. "

From: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0912/28/acd.01.html



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KurtHaskell Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 01:46 AM
Response to Reply #45
64. KH Response
My story has been the same all along and I have repeated it hundreds of times.
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 10:37 PM
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46. Kurt Haskell is an Alex Jones fan, he's just done an interview with him
Google "Flight 253 WITNESS Kurt Haskell & Alex Jones - No Passport, Bomber Had Inside Help!" to find it.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 10:43 PM
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48. google, "about to get fucked for perjury".
lets see what his sworn statement looks like. I bet he backed off. It is all fun and games until the real world comes knocking.
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 11:30 PM
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56.  I always thought he was potentially an Alex Jones fan.
His lies are catching up with him. The baloon boy analogy was what I thought from the get go, when you look at the interview again the wife seems particularly uncomfortable. Check out her eye movements for the same sort of "tell" that Heney had when he was interviewed on Larry King.
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KurtHaskell Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 01:51 AM
Response to Reply #56
72. KH Response
Lori has been ill for several days. You should become more creative with your bashing.
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 02:05 AM
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75. I was talking about her AC360 interview on the 28th
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KurtHaskell Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 02:09 AM
Response to Reply #75
77. KH Response
Get a different hobby than bashing my wife. She is a very sweet person.
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 02:22 AM
Response to Reply #72
81. Several days? Kurt said to Alex Jones that she came down with the flu on the 29th (Tuesday)
Edited on Thu Dec-31-09 02:22 AM by Turborama
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 09:05 AM
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86. Have statements been made to the FBI?
is KH on record with this information?
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 11:30 PM
Response to Reply #48
57. Dupe
Edited on Wed Dec-30-09 11:31 PM by Turborama
Self delete
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KurtHaskell Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 01:51 AM
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73. KH Response
Self deletion for you would be a good idea.
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 02:00 AM
Response to Reply #73
74. The moderators can find out your location using your IP
If you're not Kurt Haskell and are just a troll impersonating him, you'll be the one who's deleted.
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KurtHaskell Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 02:09 AM
Response to Reply #74
78. KH Response
Great. It will prove to them that you are as big of a fool as I think you are.
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KurtHaskell Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 01:48 AM
Response to Reply #48
68. KH Response
Google "You are a fool". I am an attorney and know the laws. How stupid do you think I am? Hint hint, I am more intelligent than anyone running this investigation.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 09:08 AM
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87. I know of attorneys who get disbarred
dont have to get a conviction for obstruction or perjury for that. They thought they were smart too. Did you go on record with the information you posted?
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 11:33 PM
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58. Obama recently did an interview with FauxNews. Ergo, Obama is a FauxNews fan.
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 11:44 PM
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59. He didn't "recently" have an interview with Faux
Edited on Wed Dec-30-09 11:53 PM by Turborama
And hasn't for ages, most likely because Obama is not a Faux news fan.

PS Listen to the Alex Jones interview, he's clearly a fan and really enjoying his moment with Jones.
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 12:12 AM
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60. Huffpo 11/19/09: FOX News Interview With Obama Follows A 'Lightning Round' Format (VIDEO)
FOX News Interview With Obama Follows A 'Lightning Round' Format (VIDEO)

Huffington Post | Gazelle Emami
First Posted: 11-19-09 12:43 AM | Updated: 11-19-09 06:26 PM

Aside from taking a moment to wish the Obamas a "happy and joyous holiday season," FOX News's Major Garrett cut right to the chase in his interview with President Obama in Beijing.

Garrett made it clear from the get-go that the interview would have a "lightning round nature" to it. Covering everything from jobs to Guantanamo to Middle East relations, Garrett's questions focused largely on deadlines and were geared more toward "yes" or "no" answers.

When Garrett asked whether the proposed, 2010 jobs bill would raise the deficit, Obama meandered in his response, giving too layered an answer for Garrett, who had asked the President to "indulge yourself, if you will, in short answers."

Garrett quickly reeled him back in: "Does it raise the deficit or does it not?" Obama responded: "We haven't seen that, and that's part of a reason why I think we want to take a look at the summit."

more...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/19/fox-news-interview-with-o_n_363266.html

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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 12:32 AM
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61. That was a round robin "lightening" interview he pretty much had to do due to the ratcheting down
of the war on Faux at the time.

President Obama is obviously not a Faux news fan. I'm not happy that he did the Faux interview and hope he continues his war on Faux, but maybe he had to do it as part of his job.

Again, listen to the Alex Jons interview with Haskell, he didn't have to do it and it's obvious he's a fan.

Sorry, but anyone who goes through with a lengthy and kindred spirit type of interview with Alex Jones is clearly into what Jones is into, otherwise they'd refuse. If you want to think, even after listening to it, that he went ahead with that interview with Alex Jones even though he's not a fan, that's your prerogative.
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KurtHaskell Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 01:50 AM
Response to Reply #59
70. KH Response
Are you an ex-spouse of a former client of mine? You act like someone who lost badly to me in court.
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KurtHaskell Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 01:47 AM
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65. KH Response
You are a fool. I do interviews to anyone that asks. I do not discriminate against anyone.
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 02:10 AM
Response to Reply #65
79. HK admitted to Alex Jones he goes to Infowars, that he belives 9/11 was a cover up and went back
Edited on Thu Dec-31-09 02:11 AM by Turborama
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KurtHaskell Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 02:12 AM
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80. KH Response
This is my last response to you for obvious reasons. Read all of my articles and determine my agenda and then figure out who has the real agenda and who doesn't. Good luck to you in the future as you will need a lot of it.
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Prometheus Bound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 02:30 AM
Response to Reply #79
82. Anyone who uses the word 'troofer' for someone he disagrees with...
isn't worth talking with.
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 02:37 AM
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83. I don't care if anyone who gets upset with the term 'troofer' doesn't want to talk to me n/t
Edited on Thu Dec-31-09 02:38 AM by Turborama
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Prometheus Bound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 03:01 AM
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93. If Kurt Haskell were put in charge of the investigation I bet it'd be cleared up in two days.
Or someone like him, who just wants the truth instead of a cover-up.

Instead we get a 40-billion-a-year intelligence system running around in circles trying to cover each other's ass.
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