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Newsjock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 10:06 PM Original message |
Feds defy order to provide same-sex benefits |
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Mike Nelson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 10:23 PM Response to Original message |
1. Sad... |
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saigon68 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 08:21 AM Response to Reply #1 |
22. Looks like more "Change WE can Believe In" |
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Mugweed (939 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 09:15 AM Response to Reply #22 |
34. More of business as usual. |
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pattmarty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 08:36 AM Response to Reply #1 |
24. Yeah. "here doggie, bend over and I'm gonna give you a bone"........ |
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saigon68 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 08:17 PM Response to Reply #24 |
139. Old Mother Hubbard |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 12:56 PM Response to Reply #1 |
65. I'd write in someone before I'd stay home on Election Day. I would use my vote to send a clear |
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Q3JR4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 03:12 PM Response to Reply #1 |
90. I don't know about the rest of the GLBT community |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 04:41 AM Response to Reply #90 |
162. Wouldn't you rather write in the name of an unequivocal supporter of gay rights? |
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Politicub (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 10:24 PM Response to Original message |
2. Fuck this - I'm so tired of this shit. Hiding behind some legal fig leaf. |
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BlueCaliDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 11:40 AM Response to Reply #2 |
49. Fig leaf??? DOMA is not a legal |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 12:03 PM Response to Reply #49 |
54. This was an order from a FEDERAL JUDGE |
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BlueCaliDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 03:38 PM Response to Reply #54 |
99. Urrrgh! Did you even READ the article?? |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 04:01 PM Response to Reply #99 |
103. You're accepting the DOJ argument prima facie |
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BlueCaliDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 09:31 PM Response to Reply #103 |
118. Then the LGBT Community should take this to court and fight it out |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 10:20 AM Response to Reply #118 |
134. Always back to "fighting it out". |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 12:17 PM Response to Reply #118 |
138. The DOJ is only independent of the WH when they need it to be |
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BlueCaliDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 09:57 PM Response to Reply #138 |
142. D. Boies and Bush Att. Olsen. I wish you luck |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 11:17 PM Response to Reply #142 |
143. I'm not trying to "litigate with you" |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 12:51 AM Response to Reply #143 |
144. Deleted sub-thread |
No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 01:39 AM Response to Reply #118 |
145. No, D of J is not "independent." That is a silly myth that DU seems to love. |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 12:28 PM Response to Reply #49 |
60. That's just the OPM's interpretation of the ruling. |
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BlueCaliDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 09:53 PM Response to Reply #60 |
121. Openly gay John Berry is HEAD of the OPM and yet it's Obama's fault??? eom |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 11:55 PM Response to Reply #121 |
128. Believe it or not, shills come in all flavors, including gay. |
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BlueCaliDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 01:15 AM Response to Reply #128 |
130. Hey! The LGBT Community sure was happy when Pres. Obama appointed him |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 10:18 AM Response to Reply #130 |
133. We were mostly happy when Obama was elected, too. |
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BlueCaliDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 09:23 PM Response to Reply #133 |
141. That was *never* the impression I got here or any place else |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 02:53 AM Response to Reply #141 |
151. Then your reading comprehension is off, too. Which may explain why you misstate facts. I thought |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 02:27 AM Response to Reply #121 |
148. No, nothing is the fault of the POTUS. That's why we elect them--to be accountable for zero. |
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Politicub (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 12:41 PM Response to Reply #49 |
62. The justice department could allocate its resources elsewhere |
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Politicub (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 12:47 PM Response to Reply #49 |
63. Oh, if I may add - FUCK PRESIDENT CLINTON for signing DOMA in to law |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 01:55 PM Response to Reply #63 |
79. and fuck Paul Wellstone for voting for it |
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Politicub (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 02:56 PM Response to Reply #79 |
87. Yep - and every other congress person who cast their vote for inequality |
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BlueCaliDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 09:17 PM Response to Reply #79 |
114. I can't believe it. Wellstone was a Liberal. Liberals would never |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 09:38 PM Response to Reply #114 |
120. Deleted sub-thread |
blue_onyx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 03:42 PM Response to Reply #49 |
100. You do realize that Bill Clinton... |
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BlueCaliDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 08:56 PM Response to Reply #100 |
111. No chit, really? Well ah-bee :slapping knee; eom |
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blue_onyx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 09:13 PM Response to Reply #111 |
113. Well... |
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BlueCaliDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 09:29 PM Response to Reply #113 |
117. I'll do that |
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blue_onyx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 11:05 PM Response to Reply #117 |
124. No, it's completely different |
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BlueCaliDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 11:16 PM Response to Reply #124 |
125. You go by what article heading say and accept it as gospel?? |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 02:11 AM Response to Reply #125 |
146. Um, independent counsel gets appointed precisely because the D of J is NOT independent. |
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louis-t (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 12:09 PM Response to Reply #2 |
56. Legal "fig leaf'? |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 12:19 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. It's not up to the Obama admin to interpret the law |
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louis-t (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 07:02 PM Response to Reply #57 |
109. Please read #48 and #88. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 07:33 PM Response to Reply #109 |
110. I have. They're both incorrect. Read #102 |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 01:07 PM Response to Reply #56 |
66. The Obama administration is violating a court order. Did you miss that part? |
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BlueCaliDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 09:12 PM Response to Reply #66 |
112. Then they should take it to court, yes? eom |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 10:22 AM Response to Reply #112 |
135. That's what they DID. That's how they got this RULING. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 02:43 AM Response to Reply #112 |
149. It was appealed, but would that have been your attitude if Bush did the same thing? |
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earcandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 10:25 PM Response to Original message |
3. Great example he is for NOT honoring our laws! |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 11:38 AM Response to Reply #3 |
48. The agency IS following the federal law. There is a problem with the two laws.... |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 12:06 PM Response to Reply #48 |
55. It's a ruling from the Chief Judge of the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit |
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Vattel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 02:57 PM Response to Reply #55 |
88. But the judge was not acting in her capacity as a judge. |
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BlueCaliDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 11:19 PM Response to Reply #88 |
126. B-B-B=But Obama should just strike it down, dagnabbit! He's |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 02:48 AM Response to Reply #88 |
150. That is only the administration's argument. And an administrative law judge is also a judge, just |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 12:25 PM Response to Reply #48 |
59. Obama dictates to DOJ when it's convenient. |
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BlueCaliDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 11:20 PM Response to Reply #59 |
127. Can I borrow that crystal ball? I'd like to know what this week's |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 10:24 AM Response to Reply #127 |
136. No it isn't - and now who's projecting? |
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BlueCaliDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 09:09 PM Response to Reply #136 |
140. Yeah, it is. He can say all he wants |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 02:57 AM Response to Reply #127 |
152. No, your claim that the D of J is independent of the POTUS is baseless conjecture. |
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earcandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 03:15 AM Response to Reply #48 |
131. Thanks for the explanation. |
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quakerboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 10:31 PM Response to Original message |
4. How can they do that? |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 01:14 PM Response to Reply #4 |
67. You and I might be thrown in jail for being in contempt of court. But, no one |
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Divine Discontent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 10:32 PM Response to Original message |
5. Did I just f*cking read this? If this is true, just another example of big ol' smooth talkin' and |
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Fearless (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 10:44 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. A-fucking-men! |
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Divine Discontent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 10:47 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. livid |
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aggiesal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 10:47 AM Response to Reply #8 |
43. Website that follows Obama's Campaign Promises |
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scentopine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 10:59 AM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Whoo Hooo the puppy is counted as a promise kept! |
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aggiesal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 10:15 PM Response to Reply #45 |
123. Send them an email ... |
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Divine Discontent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 10:33 PM Response to Original message |
6. oh, and off to the greatest page with thee!, although it's not a great story by any means... |
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tritsofme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 10:49 PM Response to Original message |
9. The administration is required to enforce the law. |
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atreides1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 11:29 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. True |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 11:36 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. Really? How come Obama is breaking the law by not prosecuting Bush law breakers? |
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tritsofme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 11:41 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. What law is the Obama adminstration in violation of? |
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Mz Pip (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 11:48 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. Thank you |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 10:36 AM Response to Reply #15 |
40. And it's the responsibility of the JUDICIARY to interpret it |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 11:45 AM Response to Reply #15 |
51. He is just following orders! |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 11:56 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Obama took an oath to defend and protect the Constitution and he is required |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 08:36 AM Response to Reply #14 |
25. Why Is Torture Illegal? |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 01:25 PM Response to Reply #25 |
70. The Convention Against Torture requires signatory nations to prosecute, too. |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 08:51 AM Response to Reply #14 |
28. A JUDGE Is Telling Him That DOMA Is ILLEGAL. |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 09:18 AM Response to Reply #28 |
35. That is what surprises me. Assuming he is aware of this, and I am not making excuses for him |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 10:40 AM Response to Reply #35 |
41. He's aware of it |
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tritsofme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 02:48 PM Response to Reply #28 |
84. Is that true? |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 03:17 PM Response to Reply #84 |
91. There is another almost identical case priior to this |
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tritsofme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 03:38 PM Response to Reply #91 |
98. From your article: |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 03:50 PM Response to Reply #98 |
101. That refers to other courts hearing other DOMA cases |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 09:15 AM Response to Reply #14 |
33. Except his justice department could have argued on the grounds of discrimination |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 01:44 PM Response to Reply #33 |
78. Don't know that asking the Roberts Court to decide that is the wisest course. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 01:22 PM Response to Reply #14 |
69. The Obamadmin is violating a court order. Tthat is contempt of court. The court decides what the |
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placton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 08:10 AM Response to Reply #9 |
21. wrong |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 08:46 AM Response to Reply #9 |
27. The Administration Is Required to OBEY the Law |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 10:24 AM Response to Reply #9 |
38. The Courts interpret the law, not the executive branch. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 10:34 AM Response to Reply #9 |
39. They are unilaterally defying a FEDERAL COURT ORDER |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 01:40 PM Response to Reply #39 |
77. That reminds of what the Bush Administration used to do all the time. |
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scentopine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 11:04 AM Response to Reply #9 |
46. LOL! Separation of powers or is Obama is running a police state? -nt |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 12:21 PM Response to Reply #9 |
58. And when a judge says what the law is, he's supposed to enforce it. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 03:05 AM Response to Reply #58 |
153. Alternative conclusion: Obama wants to win elections. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 01:19 PM Response to Reply #9 |
68. The administration is required to obey court orders. Courts are the final arbiters of law. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 02:16 PM Response to Reply #9 |
82. Like prosecuting torture, right? |
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Dragonfli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 10:00 PM Response to Reply #9 |
122. with the exception of torture laws, of course /nt |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 04:23 AM Response to Reply #9 |
161. Not true. And, even if it were true, we are mighty selective about which laws we |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 11:09 PM Response to Original message |
10. Deleted message |
BolivarianHero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 03:20 PM Response to Reply #10 |
94. Clinton was worse... |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 09:25 PM Response to Reply #10 |
115. If you go back to the 19th century there were some Dem presidents who were pretty bad. |
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Metta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 11:13 PM Response to Original message |
11. O wants clean hands so he can talk out of both sides of his mouth. Doesn't care who gets hurt. |
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LaPera (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 12:59 AM Response to Original message |
17. Fuck Obama's doing this too? Is he just a regressive right leaning moderate certainly no progressive |
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 01:27 AM Response to Original message |
18. They have the right to follow the orders of the judge. Then his ruling would be law. |
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Ter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 03:30 AM Response to Original message |
19. Big mistake :( |
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24601 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 07:58 AM Response to Original message |
20. Disobeying a court order - can you spell impeachment? n/t |
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blackbear79 (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 08:51 AM Response to Reply #20 |
29. Who would move to impeach him? |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 09:12 AM Response to Reply #29 |
32. I believe the house would only need a simple majority to bring the articles of impeachment |
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24601 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 11:40 AM Response to Reply #29 |
50. Him who? - the house can impeach anyone in the executive or |
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Vattel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 02:53 PM Response to Reply #20 |
86. see post 85 |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 09:28 PM Response to Reply #20 |
116. My Lord. They didn't impeach W and now they are going to impeach O? |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 01:54 PM Response to Reply #20 |
165. This was not a 'court order' |
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pattmarty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 08:34 AM Response to Original message |
23. Isn't this the same office (OPM) that is supposed to monitor the insurance............ |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 08:41 AM Response to Original message |
26. Deleted sub-thread |
elocs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 08:53 AM Response to Original message |
30. During Bushco what did DU have to say about obeying the rule of law? |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 01:34 PM Response to Reply #30 |
73. IOKIODI. |
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elocs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 02:36 PM Response to Reply #73 |
83. Ahhhh. n/t |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 09:08 AM Response to Original message |
31. Why would they ignore a Federal Judge order? Is Eric Holder involved? I really want to |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 03:19 PM Response to Reply #31 |
93. Because it can't get to the Supreme Court otherwise /nt |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 02:17 AM Response to Reply #93 |
147. It's not as though the Roberts Court is going to be gay friendly and Obamadmin knows that |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 09:40 AM Response to Original message |
36. Barack McWarren in action again |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 10:21 AM Response to Original message |
37. You have got to be kidding me. Was Nader right all along? n/t |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 01:40 PM Response to Reply #37 |
76. Nader right about what? About the Demlicans and Republicrats being alike? |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 01:56 PM Response to Reply #76 |
80. Smile. n/t |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 10:44 AM Response to Original message |
42. Yet another bad call. |
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Frank Cannon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 10:49 AM Response to Original message |
44. This is just another move in his brilliant chess strategy |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 11:16 AM Response to Original message |
47. this man disgusts me more everyday |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 11:49 AM Response to Original message |
52. The more it changes, the more it stays the same. (sigh). nt |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 11:50 AM Response to Original message |
53. We just have to face the facts. Obama is not the man we thought (or hoped) he was. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 12:36 PM Response to Original message |
61. Meet the New Boss, same as the Old Boss. |
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alp227 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 12:48 PM Response to Original message |
64. Wow...this is frickin contempt of court |
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DonkeyHoTay (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 01:26 PM Response to Reply #64 |
71. cAN'T HE JUST DRAFT AN EXECUTIVE ORDER? |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 02:15 PM Response to Reply #71 |
81. He could. he doesn't want to. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 03:37 AM Response to Reply #81 |
155. An EO could suspend DADT dishcharges. Doubt EO can overrule DOMA. However, he could obey this order |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 01:56 PM Response to Reply #64 |
166. No it is not |
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madmx19790 (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
72. more of the same. lovely |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 01:36 PM Response to Original message |
74. This is one more reason why I am deeply disappointed in Obama. |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 01:39 PM Response to Original message |
75. Very disappointing. nt |
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Vattel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 02:51 PM Response to Original message |
85. The DOJ attorney (Kaplan) says the court order is not binding |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 03:26 PM Response to Reply #85 |
97. Federal judiciary staffers are prohibited from suing the Fed gov't |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 03:30 AM Response to Reply #85 |
154. Well, if the DofJ says the DofJ is correct, that settles it, doesn't it? |
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Politicub (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 03:03 PM Response to Original message |
89. How about showing some empathy for those of us this hurts to the core |
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BolivarianHero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 03:21 PM Response to Reply #89 |
95. Too many spineless RATS... |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 03:50 AM Response to Reply #95 |
158. Most libertarians I know sound suspiciously like Republicans. |
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dana_b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 03:23 PM Response to Reply #89 |
96. not everyone, thank God |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 03:43 AM Response to Reply #89 |
156. Many DUers do show empathy. |
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dana_b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 03:19 PM Response to Original message |
92. disgusting |
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Goldstein1984 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 04:01 PM Response to Original message |
102. Regardless... |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 04:02 PM Response to Reply #102 |
104. EXACTLY |
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Goldstein1984 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 04:14 PM Response to Reply #104 |
105. I think so too |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 04:20 PM Response to Original message |
106. Merry Fucking Christmas my GLBT brothers & sisters. |
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Betty Karlson (902 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 05:50 PM Response to Reply #106 |
107. Obama is a homophobe |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 05:00 AM Response to Reply #107 |
163. Please see Reply 153. |
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Vidar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 06:11 PM Response to Original message |
108. He's done his best to screw over the poor, women & gays. Who's next? |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-19-09 09:33 PM Response to Original message |
119. The Obama Administration is playing a very cynicaL game. |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 12:43 AM Response to Reply #119 |
129. Got a better legal strategy? |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 08:22 AM Response to Reply #129 |
132. We should continue to use the courts to try to advance our cause. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 04:02 AM Response to Reply #132 |
159. The LGBT community has done all those things. However, the LGBT community is not in control of |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-20-09 10:27 AM Response to Reply #129 |
137. Follow the court order. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 03:45 AM Response to Reply #129 |
157. Oh, please. An executive order could have suspended DADT discharges on Inauguration Day and the |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 04:16 AM Response to Original message |
160. The administration tries to have it both ways. "Judge us by what we say, not by what we do." |
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and-justice-for-all (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-21-09 01:32 PM Response to Original message |
164. That is just bloody absurd.... |
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