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Hissyspit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 10:47 AM Original message |
Dean: I Won’t “Vigorously” Support Obama’s Re-Election ("You Can Actually Save This Bill") |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 10:49 AM Response to Original message |
1. The left is convinced that Obama is a sellout, and the right is convinced that Obama is a Marxist. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 11:19 AM Response to Reply #1 |
34. Are you surprised the right wing continues to replay the McCarthy Era . . . |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 02:21 PM Response to Reply #34 |
153. Yeah. Undeniable. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 07:08 PM Response to Reply #153 |
207. Well, do you want to grace us with your counter opinion . . . ??? |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 10:51 PM Response to Reply #207 |
217. For McCarthy, the paranoia was about all things communist. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 11:36 PM Response to Reply #217 |
222. You seemed to disagree with Jane Hamsher on corporatism . . . |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 05:54 PM Response to Reply #34 |
192. The right has toned down the anti communist rhetoric since they are doing business with China |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 06:14 PM Response to Reply #192 |
195. Beautiful line. |
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Hissyspit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 06:36 PM Response to Reply #192 |
200. UPDATE: Dean just said on Ed that he would support Obama "vigorously." |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 07:06 PM Response to Reply #192 |
205. China had money -- Bush was in there very early -- just another nation for |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 10:57 PM Response to Reply #205 |
219. Yeah but who is exploiting who? nt |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 02:41 AM Response to Reply #219 |
225. I'd guess that the odds are in favor of TPB to ultimately use |
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mother earth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 07:16 PM Response to Reply #34 |
208. Well said, kudos to Hamsher for nailing it. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 02:44 AM Response to Reply #208 |
226. Yes -- no one should miss the Jane Hamsher article/comments . . . |
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mother earth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 08:39 PM Response to Reply #226 |
255. Got that right, between her and Jeremy Scahill, my heart |
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Riverman (759 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 11:49 AM Response to Reply #1 |
57. Oh Yeah "The Left" That One - A Majority of Americans who Support |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 12:24 PM Response to Reply #57 |
92. My problem is not the flaws in the bill or the maddening lack of a public option... |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 02:29 PM Response to Reply #92 |
157. "The buck always stops somewhere else" |
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snagglepuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 04:12 PM Response to Reply #157 |
178. +1 |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 06:40 PM Response to Reply #157 |
201. What a load of bullshit. Why not look to those who are truly to blame? |
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Dragonfli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 03:43 AM Response to Reply #201 |
231. If he doe's not veto it, it won't matter who typed it, but who approved it... |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 02:34 PM Response to Reply #92 |
160. Do you think that Congress would have taken up healthcare now if it hadn't been for Obama's campaign |
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suzie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 04:45 PM Response to Reply #160 |
182. Do you understand that LBJ was able to get Republican votes to help him pass |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 03:26 AM Response to Reply #182 |
228. The Democratic Party was divided into Southern Democrats and Northern Democrats. |
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tomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 10:34 AM Response to Reply #228 |
245. ....not to mention the ongoing and progressive capitulation to the right... |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 08:45 PM Response to Reply #182 |
256. No need to shout. It is incredibly rude. |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 06:42 PM Response to Reply #160 |
202. I guess Obama is no Lyndon Johnson. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 03:22 AM Response to Reply #160 |
227. Actually, I believe it was Edwards who pushed the discussion of health care. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 06:11 PM Response to Reply #227 |
254. Not really, the Democrats have had many advocates for health care systems |
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Iowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 03:50 PM Response to Reply #92 |
176. Pfft... |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 06:42 PM Response to Reply #176 |
203. Back atcha. |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 05:45 PM Response to Reply #92 |
190. Obama Was Too Chicken to Write It or Appoint An Expert To Do So |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 06:43 PM Response to Reply #190 |
204. Uh. Yeah. |
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mother earth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 07:23 PM Response to Reply #92 |
209. No, he's been too concerned about bipartisanship and gave |
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spiritual_gunfighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 08:35 AM Response to Reply #92 |
241. So your beef isnt with the bill itsself it is whether or not Obama gets blamed for it? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 04:57 PM Response to Reply #92 |
253. Who said Obama wrote it? Did Obama read it? .......Does he understand the issue? .... |
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Hissyspit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 11:55 AM Response to Reply #1 |
63. EVERYONE PLEASE WATCH THE VIDEO |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 12:07 PM Response to Reply #1 |
77. Deleted message |
shotten99 (478 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 01:58 PM Response to Reply #77 |
140. Nope. He might as well be wearing a Palin/Huckabee 2012 button. |
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Kermitt Gribble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 12:18 PM Response to Reply #1 |
87. Way to keep your head in the sand! Keep it up! n/t |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 02:20 PM Response to Reply #87 |
150. I'm paying attention. That's how I noticed, in sharp contrast to those... |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 12:33 PM Response to Reply #1 |
99. And the centrists are sellouts, just like Obama. |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 02:21 PM Response to Reply #99 |
152. Gee. You sound a lot like Karl Rove. Proud of yourself? |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 03:39 PM Response to Reply #152 |
172. Ahh yess...moral equivalence at its dumbest. |
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Iowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 03:52 PM Response to Reply #172 |
177. +1 |
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snagglepuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 04:14 PM Response to Reply #172 |
179. +1 |
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spiritual_gunfighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 08:36 AM Response to Reply #172 |
242. Yeah, that was a bit embarrassing. |
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Faryn Balyncd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 06:03 PM Response to Reply #1 |
194. On this issue the left is right, and the right is simply nuts. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 09:08 PM Response to Reply #1 |
212. That's known as triangulation. It hurts people but the corporations seem to like it., |
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Chan790 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 09:56 AM Response to Reply #1 |
244. I'm far beyond convinced... |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 10:50 AM Response to Original message |
2. Really tired of this back and forth. I think either Dean or Obama has some |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 11:20 AM Response to Reply #2 |
36. Without Dean, liberals/progressives couldn't figure out this was a DEFORM bill . . . |
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Kermitt Gribble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 12:20 PM Response to Reply #2 |
88. Pfffft! This horrible "reform" bill is what's not good for Democrats. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 12:29 PM Response to Reply #88 |
94. I'm not opposed to Dean disagreeing publicly with the bill--but he needs to |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 02:12 PM Response to Reply #2 |
143. This has nothing to do with "hurt feelings." It has to do with substance. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 03:39 PM Response to Reply #143 |
173. I'm not talking about the particulars of the bill. I'm talking about the |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 05:39 PM Response to Reply #173 |
188. OK, I see where you're coming from and in that case I agree with you. Thanks. n/t |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 03:29 AM Response to Reply #143 |
229. It is a serious step backwards for Californians. |
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Tippy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 10:50 AM Response to Original message |
3. OOPS......Gibbs should have kept his mouth shut.... |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 11:30 AM Response to Reply #3 |
42. Ah, yes. Gibbs and Axelrod are such mavericks. Always talking out of turn, they are. |
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Illuminated (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 01:30 PM Response to Reply #3 |
127. Yea like it was a mistake on Gibby's part /sarc |
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democrank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 10:52 AM Response to Original message |
4. Howard Dean should keep on speaking the truth |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 10:52 AM Response to Original message |
5. I think it is too early to be making these decisions. |
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SIMPLYB1980 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 10:53 AM Response to Original message |
6. Good best he go hide under some rock. |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 10:55 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. That's not going to happen. He is going to be a liberal thorn |
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SIMPLYB1980 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 10:56 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. And he will continue to be ignored. |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 10:57 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Which will harm Obama, Democrats and the American People. |
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SIMPLYB1980 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 11:00 AM Response to Reply #12 |
16. Oh well. |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 12:11 PM Response to Reply #12 |
81. Great observation, tekisui. This bunker mentality shows immaturity. |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 02:39 PM Response to Reply #81 |
162. I agree. |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 03:34 AM Response to Reply #162 |
230. Me too. He should have passed an economic stimulus or something like that early on... oh wait... |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 10:50 PM Response to Reply #230 |
257. It was not well crafted stimulus because it was very back loaded. |
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snagglepuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 04:16 PM Response to Reply #81 |
180. +1 |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 07:30 PM Response to Reply #81 |
210. Genuine healthcare reform, and not a massive giveaway to health insurance, |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 11:36 AM Response to Reply #10 |
45. Ignored? LOL |
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AlbertCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 01:22 PM Response to Reply #10 |
121. And he will continue to be ignored. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 01:27 PM Response to Reply #10 |
123. Who posted that? |
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katkat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 03:41 PM Response to Reply #10 |
175. ignored |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 11:09 AM Response to Reply #8 |
26. I Do Not See HD as a "Liberal" Thorn in Obama's Side |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 11:20 AM Response to Reply #26 |
35. I'm not disagreeing with you. However, if Dean is a centrist, what are Obama and those who agree |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 11:45 AM Response to Reply #35 |
55. Complete Cynics |
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TheWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 05:17 AM Response to Reply #35 |
237. I think I can answer that question |
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Hissyspit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 10:56 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Discontent is ignored at the administration's peril. |
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SIMPLYB1980 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 10:58 AM Response to Reply #9 |
13. I'm sure the administration is quaking in fear. |
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Hissyspit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 11:01 AM Original message |
Um, voters? |
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SIMPLYB1980 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 11:03 AM Response to Original message |
19. If he has already lost you why should he |
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Hissyspit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 11:03 AM Response to Reply #19 |
20. You might actually watch the video and see what Dean has to say. |
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SIMPLYB1980 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 11:06 AM Response to Reply #20 |
24. I've seen it. I don't agree with it. |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 11:04 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Vote Democratic in 2010: Hey, at least we aren't repubbies! |
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Dr.Phool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 11:09 AM Response to Reply #19 |
27. I'd rather hand it over to Dr. Dean. |
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MissDeeds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 06:18 PM Response to Reply #27 |
196. +1 |
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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 11:22 AM Response to Reply #19 |
38. Ah yes, blame the "left". |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 11:27 AM Response to Reply #19 |
41. Nope. The left handed the Democrats the country in 2006 and 2008. If that changes, |
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pundaint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 11:55 AM Response to Reply #19 |
64. Duh, the elected Democrats are the ones who have handed the country over |
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TheWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 05:24 AM Response to Reply #19 |
238. Since Neither side seems to be on the side of We The People, the only difference would be that the |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 11:21 AM Response to Reply #13 |
37. As long as our elected officials can get corporate $$$, what do they have to fear from public???? |
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NeoConsSuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 05:22 PM Response to Reply #13 |
187. And you're not joking?? |
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TheWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 05:26 AM Response to Reply #187 |
239. You are providing a clue to someone who isn't capable of having one? |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 12:01 PM Response to Reply #6 |
69. Sure, the rest of us will be with him on election day. nt |
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area51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 10:54 AM Response to Original message |
7. Dean wants to see Americans have decent healthcare, |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 11:01 AM Response to Reply #7 |
17. OK, no--have to disagree. I do think Obama wants Americans to have |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 11:32 AM Response to Reply #17 |
43. The powers that be? |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 11:34 AM Response to Reply #43 |
44. Please. You know I'm talking about Insurance, Pharma, the medical establishment. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 11:58 AM Response to Reply #44 |
66. The only power they have is the power the WH and Congress accord them. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 12:02 PM Response to Reply #66 |
72. Of course I consider corporations more powerful--members of our Congress |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 12:12 PM Response to Reply #72 |
82. The corporations can't own anyone unless he or she chooses to sell out. So, I stand by my prior post |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 12:14 PM Response to Reply #82 |
85. I just assume they're all bought. It helps me keep my blood pressure down. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 12:23 PM Response to Reply #85 |
90. That may be so, but that begs the question of whose responsibility that is. I think people |
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julian09 (418 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 06:29 PM Response to Reply #82 |
199. They don't have to buy them all |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 12:03 PM Response to Reply #17 |
73. If what you say is true |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 12:13 PM Response to Reply #73 |
84. Do I think he was a little naive? Oh yeah. He had to walk back |
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katkat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 06:02 PM Response to Reply #17 |
193. twilight |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 11:24 AM Response to Reply #7 |
39. Of course, Obama is also heavily financed by corporations . .. . |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 12:04 PM Response to Reply #7 |
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jonnyblitz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 12:35 PM Response to Reply #75 |
101. I believe that as well. nt |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 02:30 PM Response to Reply #75 |
158. That would be true of each and every one of his predecessors as well |
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Vidar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 10:57 AM Response to Original message |
11. I'd love to see Howard run against the collaborator. |
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salguine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 11:59 AM Response to Reply #11 |
67. Me too. |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 02:15 PM Response to Reply #11 |
146. I'm convinced that a credible progressive will run against him, |
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Hawkeye-X (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 10:58 AM Response to Original message |
14. Same here. I'll vote for him, but he won't have my $ or time. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 12:31 PM Response to Reply #14 |
97. Obama had money coming out of his nostrils. Votes are all he really needs. So, I am sorry |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 10:58 AM Response to Original message |
15. Dean was clear on Morning Joe....sometimes you put country above party. |
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AndrewP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 11:05 AM Response to Reply #15 |
22. What a rare concept |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 11:18 AM Response to Reply #15 |
33. Yep, Dean is doing that, and please Obama shape up! |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 11:25 AM Response to Reply #15 |
40. "Country above Party" . .. as it should be .... small "d" democracy . . !!! |
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Aviation Pro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 11:40 AM Response to Reply #15 |
47. Really. Country above party, huh? What if by Dr. Dean's actions... |
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Hissyspit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 11:45 AM Response to Reply #47 |
54. Or what if by Dr. Dean's actions... |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 11:54 AM Response to Reply #47 |
61. If Palin wins, it will not be because of Dr. Dean's actions. Pls. see Reply 41, |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 12:08 PM Response to Reply #61 |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 12:37 PM Response to Reply #47 |
102. Don't care |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 11:41 AM Response to Reply #15 |
49. To be more exact: Sometimes, you put the people of this country above Party. |
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tomm2thumbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 11:02 AM Response to Original message |
18. Time to Re-Invent the Democratic Party - somewhere else... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 12:01 PM Response to Reply #18 |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 11:05 AM Response to Original message |
23. Holy. Shit. |
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pundaint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 12:11 PM Response to Reply #23 |
80. thanks, that was an enlightening comment |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 12:46 PM Response to Reply #80 |
105. I'm So Sorry |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
25. He wasn't given a cabinet position like he wanted |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 11:12 AM Response to Reply #25 |
28. Insults Say So Much More About the Person Delivering Them Than the Person They're Directed At |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 11:14 AM Original message |
Well then what does that say about the scores of DUers insulting Obama and the Dems? |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 12:18 PM Response to Original message |
86. Maybe it says they put the principles of the Democratic Party above |
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Illuminated (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 01:32 PM Response to Original message |
128. That they all suck! |
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pjt7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 11:12 AM Response to Reply #25 |
29. Country Above Political Party |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 11:15 AM Response to Reply #29 |
32. Supposedly, although I am betting a cabinet post would have had him singing a different tune. |
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Hissyspit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 11:48 AM Response to Reply #32 |
56. That's a hypothetical. He doesn't have a cabinet post... |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 12:28 PM Response to Reply #32 |
93. Again, baloney. You can post it 1000 times. It still won't become true. |
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katkat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 04:34 PM Response to Reply #32 |
181. different tune |
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Hissyspit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 11:43 AM Response to Reply #25 |
51. He has supported this process all along the way. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 12:04 PM Response to Reply #25 |
74. Baloney. Dean was ready to--and did-- support practically anything that had |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 02:12 PM Response to Reply #25 |
142. Sure, that was why he was cheerleading this bill until just this week. Stupid comment. |
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axollot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 11:12 AM Response to Original message |
30. Watch the video Dean said he would still vigorously support Obama |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 01:46 PM Response to Reply #30 |
136. There are DUers that just hear what they want to hear and ignore the rest |
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tomm2thumbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 11:14 AM Response to Original message |
31. Obama wants to put a christmas present under the tree to himself, no matter what is in the box |
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eilen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 01:09 PM Response to Reply #31 |
117. An Oprah moment. nt |
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Aviation Pro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 11:38 AM Response to Original message |
46. Good, Dr. Dean, you can join the rest of the fringe elements.... |
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Hissyspit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 11:41 AM Response to Reply #46 |
50. Read the transcript. |
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pundaint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 12:06 PM Response to Reply #46 |
76. What would be the effective difference? |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 12:40 PM Response to Reply #46 |
103. Please see Reply ##s 61 and 96. BTW, people who want what Obama campaigned on-- |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 11:41 AM Response to Original message |
48. I hope Howard has good security arrangements. |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 11:54 AM Response to Reply #48 |
62. No one is in danger from bashing the president |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 02:26 PM Response to Reply #62 |
154. I dunno. Some of the vitriol has been pretty thick. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 12:30 PM Response to Reply #48 |
95. This is getting out of hand. Obama isn't going to put out a "hit" on HD. |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 02:26 PM Response to Reply #95 |
155. I was thinking more about some random nutcase. |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 11:45 AM Response to Original message |
52. Not exactly sure why he is even talking about what he will or wont do in three years. |
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pundaint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 12:09 PM Response to Reply #52 |
79. Because he was asked a specific question. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 12:45 PM Response to Reply #52 |
104. Maybe he is trying to impact what is--or isn't--happening now? |
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Don Draper (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 11:45 AM Response to Original message |
53. President Obama, you had better take note of this |
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AllyCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 11:51 AM Response to Original message |
58. I know I'm done. I won't even support him "less than vigorously" |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 12:00 PM Response to Reply #58 |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 12:20 PM Response to Reply #68 |
89. Reeally? You see NO difference between Obama and someone like Palin? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 12:23 PM Response to Reply #89 |
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AllyCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 02:19 PM Response to Reply #91 |
149. I agree wit you on that. MOST of the Dems are corporatists There are many good ones though |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 12:50 PM Response to Reply #68 |
108. Why doesn't your cousin just shoot himself in the foot? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 12:55 PM Response to Reply #108 |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 01:00 PM Response to Reply #109 |
112. Your "cousin" is clearly a moron, so I don't much care what he appreciates. No, |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 01:02 PM Response to Reply #112 |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 01:10 PM Response to Reply #113 |
118. Homophobic? LOL. Your "cousin" is not the only moron in your family. |
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newspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 12:57 PM Response to Reply #68 |
110. I WILL NEVER EVER VOTE FOR A REPUKE |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 01:03 PM Response to Reply #110 |
114. Of course not. Only a repuke or a repuke's "cousin" would vote for a repuke. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 01:04 PM Response to Reply #110 |
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AllyCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 02:17 PM Response to Reply #68 |
147. Don't know that I will go that far. I don't think I'd ever vote for a Repuke |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 11:52 AM Response to Original message |
59. WOW! Good! |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 11:53 AM Response to Original message |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 11:57 AM Response to Original message |
65. Rahm Emanuel's blood pressure must be thru the ceiling... |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 01:15 PM Response to Reply #65 |
119. No problem. We pay for Rahm's health insurance, even though he's rich. |
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Illuminated (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 01:36 PM Response to Reply #119 |
131. Not to mention all of Congress, |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 02:13 PM Response to Reply #119 |
144. ain't that the sad truth? -eom |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 11:18 PM Response to Reply #119 |
221. Ironic, isn't it?. They have a "public option". |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 04:23 AM Response to Reply #221 |
233. Technically, no. We simply pay for their private insurance, no matter how costly it gets. |
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Riverman (759 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 12:01 PM Response to Original message |
71. Dean is not going to "ultimately fuel the sentiments among the president's core constituency." |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 12:13 PM Response to Original message |
83. Bravo to Dr. Dean! |
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sybylla (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
96. Unfortunately, I'm with Howard. |
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TomCADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 09:46 PM Response to Reply #96 |
213. Howard Has Clarified That He Vigorously Supports The President... |
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davidwparker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
98. I know now, at the end of his first term, that he does not have |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 01:29 PM Response to Reply #98 |
126. Much smarter than those who say they will stay away from the polls. |
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change_notfinetuning (750 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 12:34 PM Response to Original message |
100. No, Axelrod! What is tragic is the killing in Iraq and Afghanistan, not the |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 01:24 PM Response to Reply #100 |
122. 45,000 Americans die each year from lack of health care. THAT is tragic. Not to mention |
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Meshuga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 12:47 PM Response to Original message |
106. I will obviously vote for Obama in 2012 |
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eilen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 01:28 PM Response to Reply #106 |
124. I'll only vote for the anti-war candidate |
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Illuminated (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 01:33 PM Response to Reply #124 |
129. Well that is obciously no Pres Obama, |
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eilen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 01:47 PM Response to Reply #129 |
137. I don't know, depends on who else is running. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 01:38 PM Response to Reply #124 |
132. Yes, and he tried so hard to avoid our superimposing our dreams on him, too. |
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eilen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 01:49 PM Response to Reply #132 |
138. Like rolling in catnip and |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 12:48 PM Response to Original message |
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igfoth (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 12:59 PM Response to Original message |
111. Howard Dean is Right! |
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louis-t (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 01:03 PM Response to Original message |
115. Sad when a Dem has to go on a repug show to diss |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 01:45 PM Response to Reply #115 |
135. Not as sad as Dems abandoning the principles of the Democratic Party. |
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Goldstein1984 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 01:19 PM Response to Original message |
120. Both parties are under the control of corporations |
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Strathos (713 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
125. I agree with Dean |
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get the red out (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 01:34 PM Response to Original message |
130. How nice of him to support the Republican Party |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 01:42 PM Response to Reply #130 |
133. Saying he will vote for Obama, even though he is not happy with this bill supports the Republican |
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get the red out (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 01:50 PM Response to Reply #133 |
139. That loud-mouthed attention seeker is supporting them with every word. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 04:39 AM Response to Reply #139 |
235. He is not hating on the President. He is saying he will vote for the President, but this bill is |
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tomm2thumbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 02:26 PM Response to Reply #133 |
156. it is often smart to not pick up a greasy rope that others lay down - they want tug of war |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 02:14 PM Response to Reply #130 |
145. yeah, because it is Dean writing & passing this shitty bill, not insurance lobbyists |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 01:44 PM Response to Original message |
134. I'd like to point out 4 obvious things that Howard Dean has said: |
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shadowknows69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 03:02 PM Response to Reply #134 |
169. I'll vote on election day. Just might not bother with the Presidential race. |
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shadowknows69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 03:03 PM Response to Reply #134 |
170. And I like point #3. I hope someone asks him about it. |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 10:09 PM Response to Reply #170 |
215. Although I'm still strongly on team Obama I respect the fact that other Dems may run |
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and-justice-for-all (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 02:06 PM Response to Original message |
141. Good for Dean for STANDING UP FOR US! nt |
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mckara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 02:18 PM Response to Original message |
148. I Agree with Dr. Dean... |
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varelse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 02:20 PM Response to Original message |
151. Neither will I |
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DFW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 02:33 PM Response to Original message |
159. I split with Howard here |
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mystieus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 02:37 PM Response to Original message |
161. Dean is no better than Joe Lieberman.. He got his little feelings hurt "so lets destroy DC base." |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 04:05 AM Response to Reply #161 |
232. Your facts or your math is wrong. Democrats have all they need to pass a bill, if they |
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shadowknows69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 02:43 PM Response to Original message |
163. Dean for President in 2012. Let's get it started now people. |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 02:55 PM Response to Reply #163 |
165. I'm curious -- what do think the likelihood of success would be for a Democrat |
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shadowknows69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 02:57 PM Response to Reply #165 |
166. Why would you assume that? African Americans are incapable of voting against their own? |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 05:00 PM Response to Reply #166 |
184. Do you have any (even just a little) basis for concluding that African Americans |
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shadowknows69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 05:44 PM Response to Reply #184 |
189. You're the one making generalizations about a whole group dude. |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 10:46 PM Response to Reply #189 |
216. observations of the world as it is. Sorry if that's not the world you live in |
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shadowknows69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 07:27 AM Response to Reply #216 |
240. Whatever. No substance and a dash of asshole gets you on the Iggy list. |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 01:04 PM Response to Reply #240 |
248. boo hoo. |
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shadowknows69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 01:14 PM Response to Reply #240 |
249. And ignored answers again to someone who can't read them. |
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FarLeftFist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
164. I wonder if our next republican president and congress will.... |
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jtylerpittman (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 03:00 PM Response to Original message |
167. good for dean |
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HopeforChange (457 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 03:01 PM Response to Original message |
168. As a National Delegate for Obama ... I am proud of Howard Dean today |
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slinkerwink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 03:17 PM Response to Original message |
171. I'm with Dean on this |
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katkat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 03:39 PM Response to Original message |
174. Howard has always spoken the truth |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 04:58 PM Response to Original message |
183. I agree with Dean. This bill has become fucked up beyond redemption. |
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nvme (486 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 05:03 PM Response to Original message |
185. Howard Dean is right |
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UrbScotty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 05:08 PM Response to Original message |
186. President Palin thanks you, Gov. Dean. |
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shadowknows69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 05:53 PM Response to Reply #186 |
191. You know what? If we get Palin as a President we fucking deserve it. |
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MissDeeds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 06:24 PM Response to Reply #191 |
197. I agree |
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Hissyspit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 06:24 PM Response to Original message |
198. UPDATE: Dean just said on Ed that he would support Obama "vigorously." |
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julian09 (418 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 07:06 PM Response to Reply #198 |
206. Obama didn't fight for public option |
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varelse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 09:51 PM Response to Reply #198 |
214. that sounds more like Dean, actually (nt) |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 04:48 AM Response to Reply #198 |
236. I would not trust Joe or Mika to tell the truth about ANYthing, including what they really thought. |
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Historic NY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 08:51 PM Response to Original message |
211. Either this is some Obama game plan or he seriously misjudged his base completely.. |
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lovuian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 10:54 PM Response to Original message |
218. Obama is a Sellout Hello this was the last straw for Dean |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 04:46 PM Response to Reply #218 |
251. Except that Dean said he was misquoted. But whatever. |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 11:05 PM Response to Original message |
220. Now he's either changed his mind or he didn't say it in the first place.. |
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New Dawn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 11:49 PM Response to Original message |
223. Yes, the Fascist "Individual Mandate" must be eliminated. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 12:52 AM Response to Original message |
224. How really sad for all the people |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 04:26 AM Response to Reply #224 |
234. What is sadder is that they believed that he said this..... |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 08:50 AM Response to Reply #234 |
243. Yes I agree, sad. They are seeking a leader and dont feel the president is doing the job. |
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robo50 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 10:38 AM Response to Reply #243 |
246. Exactly! That is where we can place blame on Obama, he's |
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Hissyspit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 10:49 AM Response to Reply #224 |
247. No, what is sad is that it is even slightly plausible that he might have said it. |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 03:20 PM Response to Original message |
250. “Given the choice between a Republican and someone who |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 04:49 PM Response to Original message |
252. This is great. Lieberman and Baucus screw around and Obama gets hurt. |
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