Ex-con wanted for questioning in Lakewood police slayings (+ Huckabee connection)

[PSPS]

Source: Seattle Times

A 37-year-old Tacoma man, Maurice Clemmons, is being sought for questioning in the execution-style shooting of four Lakewood police officers this morning, according to two law-enforcement sources.

Clemmons, who was recently released from jail, has an extensive criminal record in Pierce County and Arkansas, court records show. Clemmons is wanted in Arkansas and faces eight criminal charges in Washington state.

The four officers were killed at about 8:15 a.m. by a scruffy-looking man who walked into a coffee shop and opened fire. The officers — three men and one woman — were found dead by deputies who arrived at Forza Coffee at 11401 Steele St. S., said Pierce County Sheriff's spokesman Ed Troyer.

Read more: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010382767_webfourdead29m.html

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And this Huckabee connection from: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010385617_webmansought29.html

Maurice Clemmons, the 37-year-old Tacoma man being sought for questioning in the killing of four Lakewood police officers this morning, has a long criminal record punctuated by violence, erratic behavior and concerns about his mental health.

Nine years ago, then-Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee granted clemency to Clemmons, commuting his lengthy prison sentence over the protestations of prosecutors.

"This is the day I've been dreading for a long time," Larry Jegley, prosecuting attorney for Arkansas' Pulaski County said Sunday night when informed that Clemmons was being sought in connection to the killings.

Clemmons' criminal history includes at least five felony convictions in Arkansas and at least eight felony charges in Washington. The record also stands out for the number of times he has been released from custody despite questions about the danger he posed.

[SeattleGirl]

1. And this guy was granted clemency?

What the FUCK???

Edited to add: He's a convicted pedophile too (though not sure if he was convicted in Arkansas or elsewhere).

People like him should NOT even be considered for clemency.

[Farzan]

64. Here is how you do it...

You see Huck is the Gov, you find Jesus fast.

[curiousdemo]

127. I see Fox News and Drudge Report is playing down

Huckabee role in this matter. If this had been a Democratic Governor, his face would be plastered all over their web with a large pixel. There goes his Presidential bid, the nasty rightwing will eat him live now, if he runs in 2012. :spank:

[Mike Daniels]

134. Morning Joe brought it up today (clemency / Huckabee) and said this would sink Huckabee for 2012.

So, not every channel was downplaying the ramifications this may have on Huckabee's political future.

[whathehell]

150. You bet they would...Just as they did with Dukakis and the

infamous Willy Horton ad.

[marshall]

164. This is why the government needs to step lightly with the Guantanamo Bay business

Down the line if one of the inmates gets out and does something bad the media will have a field day with it.

[superconnected]

160. It's actually GW's fault. When he defunded the states it included the prisions and

for the last decade the criminals have been let free because we can't afford to keep criminals in there now. I consider that money firstly diverted to the Iraq war and secondly part of Obama's giant corporate handout. And yeah, GW's was a corporate hand out too - for the defense co's in the name of the iraq war.

[TwilightGardener]

2. Wow, ol' Huck has a stunningly bad record with clemencies. That's the

second guy who was granted clemency and killed (or killed again).

[SeattleGirl]

5. S**t! How could Huckabee even consider clemency?

Way to go, Mike.

[47of74]

24. If I had to guess it has something to do with reich wing Christianity

[girl gone mad]

33. That's my take.

They were probably born again Christians and he thought their religion cured them. In one case, Huckabee believed a convict's story that he had been framed for rape.

[marshall]

133. Just like Karla Fay Tucker

She claimed to have found Jesus and beocme a born again fundie. Tried to beg her way out of the execution date, but Texas didn't buy it. As a result she's not killing anyone else with a hammer.

[Tansy_Gold]

148. As I recall, Karla Fay didn't ask to be set free, only to not be executed

big difference.



TG

[jwirr]

38. He is a Baptist minister and all you have to be to be forgiven is

accept God as your personal savior and then you fall under the once saved always saved rule.

[SeattleGirl]

48. Which is, of course, utter bullshit.

I think it was Jesus who told someone who came to him for forgiveness, "Go now, and sin no more". (Probably not the exact quote, but close.)

Those bible beaters don't seem to understand that being forgiven doesn't mean you get to go out and do the same thing or something worse.

But then, I haven't gone to one of their churches in years and years, and want no part of them.

[caseymoz]

136. Well, according to their dogma, the person would have gone and sinned no more.

If Christ had really touched their souls. And they have to believe that God won't let people express it so sincerely if they didn't mean it.

So, Huckabee gave them clemency. This is not only an indictment of Huckabee, but it's really almost an indictment of all evangelical Christianity.

One thing I've never liked about it: it would always equate sin with making a mistake. As though you could mistakingly rape somebody. No, it isn't due to any misjudgment, the person did exactly what they meant to do. No mistake about it.

[Joe Bacon]

65. Just like Wayne Dumond.

HUCK SINN® pardoned him after he did the Born Again Shit Thing, and he went right out and raped and killed Carole Ann Shields.

May HUCK SINN® burn in hell for letting that killer out.

[mikekohr]

132. MIKE HUCKABEE’S WILLIE HORTON

Republican presidential candidate, Mike Huckabee, the former governor from Hope, Arkansas, is hoping you don’t look in his closet because there's a Willie Horton hiding in there.

Huckabee's Horton, is a monster named Wayne Dumond. A criminal with a long rap sheet of assaults, and sexual molestations, Dumond was an admitted participant in massacre of a Cambodian village when he was stationed in Vietnam. Upon return to the United States, he admitted to participating in a claw hammer murder of a fellow soldier in 1972. Dumond was convicted of sexual molestation of a teen age victim in 1973 and confessed to a rape charge in 1976.

Huckabee, ignoring Dumond’s reprehensible criminal record, bought into the Clinton hating, rightwing, partisans, that were attempting to smear Bill Clinton for the rape of a 16 year old girl high school cheerleader that Dumond kidnapped at knifepoint, raped and terrorized for two days. Dumond was convicted of this crime in 1985 and sentenced to life plus 20 years.
Huckabee worked, against the advice of the parole board and law enforcement officials, to secure Dumond's release from prison. Dumond's 16 year old victim, Ashley Stevens, upon learning of Huckabee's attempts to free her assailant, met with the governor and said she put her face inches from Huckabee’s and said, “This is how close I was to Wayne Dumond. I will never forget his face. And now I don’t want you ever to forget my face.”

Undaunted, governor Huckabee toiled on, eventually securing Dumond's release from prison on the condition that Dumond move out of Arkansas. Dumond complied, and moved to Missouri, where six weeks later he raped and murdered, 39 year-old Carol Sue Shields. Dumond was convicted of Shields’ murder based on DNA evidence. Dumond died, peacefully in his sleep on 9/7/2005, before he could be brought to trial in the rape and murder of a second victim, Sara Andrasek.

Dumond’s murders committed after Huckabee had secured his release from prison resulted in a firestorm of public condemnation. The governor responded to the criticism by denying he had anything to do with turning Dumond loose on the American public, in spite of voluminous testimony to the contrary.

Blind adherence to rigid political ideology, an absolute refusal to accept advice from others and stubborn refusal to accept responsibility for his own actions, has not served George W, Bush well as a President. These shared character defects will not wear well on Presidential candidate, Mike Huckabee either.

Ironically, or perhaps predictably, Huckabee is emerging as the consensus choice among so called Christian Conservatives. Go figure.

Written by: mike kohr 10/29/2007

Additional links:
http://www.arktimes.com/Articles/ArticleViewer.aspx?ArticleID=154e1aad-fd18-4efd-8d80-b5dab8559419
http://www.crimelibrary.com/criminal_mind/sexual_assault/severed_penis/7.html http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2007/06/rash-devious-incapable-of-admitting.html

Published at BuzzFlash.com:
http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/contributors/1406#comment-8209

[TwilightGardener]

6. Here's a link:

http://www.arkansasleader.com/frontstories/st_08_11_04/huckabee8.html

[SeattleGirl]

10. Thanks, TG.

Interesting and maddening read.

[dsc]

11. I didn't realize how bad it was

He gave more commutations and pardons than every neighboring state combined despite the fact Arkansas is smaller than any of the states surrounding it.

[Farzan]

67. Neither did I.

What an amazing link that was. Almost like it was from the Onion - grim version.

[dsc]

69. It was breathtaking

I don't know exact populations but Texas has to be about 6x as big with both TN and LA about twice as big. I consider myself a bleeding heart but even I am appalled.

[Farzan]

68. Fox news does not mention Huck

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,577691,00.html

[itsrobert]

70. They are working to somehow tie it to Clinton

Most likely.

[MadMaddie]

3. I just posted the same thing we were probably typing at the same

time.

This guy should have never been out of jail. Let's hear Huckabee's excuse about this.

[Imajika]

4. Oh, this won't be good news for Huckabee...

"Nine years ago, then-Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee granted clemency to Clemmons, commuting his lengthy prison sentence over the protestations of prosecutors."

Wow. This would be pretty big news if it is accurate.

[PSPS]

8. It seems to be accurate

From the 6/23/04 issue of The (Arkansas) Leader:

Huckabee, prosecutors go on offensive

(snip)

Jegley cites numerous examples of Huckabee's freeing felons who go on committing more crimes and wind up back in prison.

Maurice Clemmons received a 35-year sentence in the early 1990s for armed robbery and theft. His sentence was commuted in May 2000, and he was let out three months later.

The following March, Clem-mons committed two armed robberies and other crimes and was sentenced to 10 years. You'd think they'd keep him locked up after that, but no: He was paroled last March and is now wanted for aggravated robbery.

If Huckabee decides to set these criminals free, Jegley says, at least "he ought to give an accounting. I can't imagine why in the world they'd want them released from jail. There's a good reason we're afraid of them. The sad truth is that a significant number of people re-offend."

[SeattleGirl]

9. That is sickening.

He was handing clemency out like lollipops on Halloween night!

:banghead:

[MadMaddie]

28. This guy shouldn't have been out until around 2025

Huckabee should be fucked over this. Meanwhile his poor decision may have cost my state of Washington 4 police officers lives.

[wordpix]

83. he was given 200 YEARS for various felonies and got out after 11

What a great justice system we have-the best in the world. :sarcasm:

[havocmom]

12. If it turns out Clemmons was the shooter today, Huckabee might as well put on a helmet, ride a tank

and enjoy the Dukakising of his political career. Palin would beat him up big time with clememcy for a man like Clemmons.

[lifesbeautifulmagic]

14. I think we were posting at the same time

I had the exact same thought.

[Imajika]

15. Yup, was about to say the same thing...

If this is true, Huckabee is done.

There would be no recovering from this. Seems Huckabee is pretty content with his show on Fox anyway, but this would eliminate any chance of a return to politics for him.

Republicans aren't very forgiving as it is, they sure as hell aren't going to back someone who gave clemency to this cop killer.

[Yavin4]

78. I Think Even His Fox Show Would Be In Trouble

Four cops killed execution-style? That's really, really hard to explain to the Teabaggers.

[Alcibiades]

44. This makes Dukakis look good by comparison

What did they have on him? That silly hat? A release program he had nothing to do with? By contrast, Huckabee apparently went to the extraordinary process of granting clemency to a habitual criminal.

Huckabee is extradoubleplus done. A little sad, really, because he at least seems a trifle more rational than Palin.

[InfiniteThoughts]

124. need some input ..

Not that i am into defending Huckabee ...

Did Huckabee grant the second clemency? If he did that, he is toast - both in politics and Fox. If he only granted the first clemency - he is still toast but he could contend that he didn't know that the clemency would be misused this way. That might save his Fox job!

The larger question is who & for what reasons gave him his second parole? That guy needs to be outed and shamed in the public. How can someone give clemency for a person who made no use of his second chance and comes begging for the third chance?

Palin has set such low standards and we take pity on Huckabee! How sad is that for GOP!

[davepc]

94. Its a Republican Willie Horton...

[Tansy_Gold]

126. Unfortunately, it's not. Remember, IOKIYAR.

It's OK if you're a repuke.

Just as Huckabee "forgave" his bornagain prisoners and let them out, the pukes will "forgive" -- make bizarre excuses for -- Huckabee himself.

It's okay for Vitter and Craig and Ensign to have affairs; they're pukes. It's not okay for Spitzer or Edwards; they're Dems.

Part of the authoritarian mindset is that those in power are above the normal constraints on the hoi polloi. They're "special." (SNL's "church lady" w/Dana Carvey routine satirized this very well. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnCZxLvYXI8&feature=related )

Do not expect Huckabee to suffer the same fate as Dukakis. That would mean pukes are held to the same standard as Dems. They're not.

Sorry.



TG

[bluestateguy]

7. Wayne DuMond

nt

[UpInArms]

31. another weird connection between Tacoma and Arkansas

from the Wayne DuMont wiki page

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_DuMond

On October 19, 1973, DuMond was charged with molesting a teenage girl in the parking lot of a shopping center in Tacoma, Washington. The second-degree assault charge resulted in a five-year deferred sentence and mandatory drug counseling during the five-year probation.<8><5>

On September 28, 1976, DuMond was charged with raping a woman in DeWitt, Arkansas. The charges were dropped before trial with the condition he undergo counseling.

what a strange coincidence

[Selena Harris]

37. Dumont victim was related to Clinton

Why did Mike Huckabee pardon a rapist? - Democratic Underground8 posts - 7 authors - Last post: Oct 24
But Huckabee denied clemency the same day a state board granted DuMond parole. ... on that parole board who said he tried to get them to grant DuMond parole. .... Because the victim was a distant cousin of Clinton's, ...
www.democraticunderground.com › Discuss - Cached - Similar

[Doctor_J]

54. I remember that

he freed the man who raped Clinton's cousin. SOme sort of political payback. He's even more disgusting than most Repukes.

[msanthrope]

57. Wayne, who raped and killed after pardon. Only released because victim a Clinton relative.

DuMond received his second sexual assault conviction from a rape perpetrated in Arkansas in 1984. The victim, Ashley Stevens, was a 17-year-old cheerleader and a third cousin of then-Governor Bill Clinton.<9> Although she is much younger than Clinton, they share the same set of great-great-grandparents.

SNIP

After Clinton was elected president, a right-wing campaign alleged that Clinton had framed DuMond for rape.<10><11> Prominent among those pushing for DuMond to be pardoned were Guy Reel, author of Unequal Justice: Wayne DuMond, Bill Clinton, and the Politics of Rape in Arkansas; Steve Dunleavy of the New York Post; and Jay Cole, Baptist pastor for the Mission Fellowship Bible Church in Fayetteville, who had championed DuMond's cause for more than a decade on his radio show.<12>

Many of the arguments advanced by DuMond's supporters have since been shown to be incorrect. Dunleavy claimed that:

1.DuMond was a "Vietnam veteran with no record" despite arrests for violent crime and previous rape charges going back to 1972;
2.the rape victim "failed to identify DuMond in two lineups", although she had in fact identified him in the only lineup where he was present:
3.the victim had "identified two other suspects, one an ex-boyfriend", although she had never in fact identified anyone but DuMond;
4.DNA evidence had exonerated DuMond, although no such definitive evidence existed;
5.Bill Clinton had personally intervened to keep DuMond in prison, despite the then-Governor's explicitly recusing himself from the case due to his distant blood-ties to the 17-year-old victim.<13>
Dunleavy also referred to the young woman, a minor at the time of the assault, on the record as the "so-called victim", and asserted "that rape never happened".<12>
SNIP----

Missouri crimes
Following his 1999 parole, DuMond moved to Missouri in August 2000, where he married Terry Sue, a member of a church group who visited him while he was incarcerated in Arkansas. On June 22, 2001, DuMond was arrested and charged with the September 20, 2000, rape and murder of Carol Sue Shields.<22> DuMond was convicted in the summer of 2003.<23>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_DuMond

[lifesbeautifulmagic]

13. That Huckabee thing really stuck out to me.

I remember when Dukakis was basically ran out of the national pres race by the media frenzy over W Horton.

Anyway, i hope who ever is responsible for this horrendous crime is caught soon, like before this night is over.

[Imajika]

19. I think this is worse than Horton

Pretty sure that was just a program in Mass that allowed for weekend furloughs for good behavior. Dukakis happened to be governor during that time period and so he caught all the blame when Willie Horton used the opportunity to commit crimes.

In this case Huckabee appears to have fully released these people AGAINST the advise of prosecutors. This guy he gave clemency to killed 4 cops, and it would seem others he gave clemency too committed further crimes as well.

Huck is done. Not that he could have won nationally anyway, but he has no chance in the Republican primaries now.

Honestly, I am wondering if Fox will retain him. This will be VERY unpopular with the Fox News audience.

[Cha]

25. Dukakis got all the blame bc the corporatemedia

and the repubs made sure he did.

Not, sure that the mediawhores would pound on huckabee even though it sounds like a stupid thing he did.

[tridim]

27. They have two choices, Ignore the story, or fire the Huckster.

I think his Faux show is on tonight, let's see what he has to say about it.

[Imajika]

32. My hunch is he wont last..

If all this is true, and Huckabee let a guy like this out who went on to murder 4 cops....

I think Fox will throw him overboard. Might take them a few months, but I just don't see how they keep him.

"I think his Faux show is on tonight, let's see what he has to say about it."

Eh, I don't think I can stomach watching him. I will have to rely on you and others to let me know what his excuses are ;)

[DumbBassRepublicans]

62. ANOTHER HYPOCRITICAL REPUBLICAN...

I agree with you, Imajika...
In fact, the ONLY time I've seen his stupid show, or seen him play his stupid guitar,
is when I'm scanning channels to find something good to watch....
EVEN .5 second of Suckabee, is .5 second, TOO MUCH...!!!

hyp o crite - noun
1. a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, esp. a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.
2. Mike Suckabee
:)

[Lasher]

119. The show is aired Saturday nights at 8 PM ET.

Then it's repeats at 11 PM that night and the following Sunday at 8 & 11. I've never watched it but I looked it up.

[zbdent]

129. wait a minute ... when it's a Repuke in trouble, there's more than

two shades of gray ... or nuance ... there's no "binary choices" ...

Faux will give him the benefit of the doubt and keep him on, refusing to comment on an "ongoing investigation", and not bowing to "the left wing moonbats" ...

[jaysunb]

20. He'll probably be "executed" before the night is over.

I just hope no more are killed when it happens.....

[MadMaddie]

29. It's his choice isn't it? If he gives up he may live

or he may opt for suicide by cop then spend another day in jail.

[jaysunb]

40. He committed suicide when he killed cops

and he had to know it.

They used to have places for the criminally insane. :evilfrown:

[yellowcanine]

16. This kills Huckabee's Presidential hopes. This is way beyond Willie Horton.

And Poppy Bush supporters finished off the chances of Mike Dukakis using Willie Horton.

[wordpix]

84. good - the last thing we need is a Huckster-Palin ticket

[zbdent]

130. with today's "liberal media"?

the question 2011-2021 will be "Maurice Clemmons who?"

[SeattleGirl]

17. Our local CBS station is talking about the Huckabee connection now n/t

[MadMaddie]

46. I am watching to SeattleGirl

this guy should have never been released!!

[SeattleGirl]

56. I am gobsmacked that he was. n/t

[moobu2]

18. I remember reading that Huckabee granted clemency to a bunch of real nasty people

a while back...damn.

[SeattleGirl]

23. Read the link on Huckabee's clemency record TwilightGardener

posted upthread.

It's crazy, what he did.

[Odin2005]

21. But, I thought Pukes were "tough on crime"?

:sarcasm:

[wordpix]

87. apparently, not if God intervenes with his loving forgiveness - blech

:sarcasm:

[Cha]

22. Why would any republcon governor even

consider clemency for such a repeat offender?

[Imajika]

26. It was God related I think..

He went through some kind of God phase where he wanted to be show his "merciful" side.

It appears he just picked a random bunch of dangerous felons and released them against the advise of prosecutors who understood the cases and recommended against it.

[Cha]

30. e gods..another

example of how not thinking gets them into trouble..and those poor poor police.

[d_b]

34. fuck.

what a dipshit.

[Imajika]

35. That pretty much describes Huckabee..

Dipshit indeed.

[TrogL]

53. Is there a religious relationship between Huckabee and this guy?

Same branch of Christianity?

[Imajika]

60. No idea..

I think Huck just went on a clemency binge for some reason. Who knows, maybe he meant well. I don't think most Republicans were ever very happy about it.

Either way, ole' Huckabee is done.

He really was quite an idiot anyway. Palin is probably happy to see Huckabee squirming though.

When you look at what the Republicans have to run in 2012, at least so far, it really does occur to me that we'd almost have to try to lose against this pack of lightweights.

[peacetalksforall]

71. Edited to change the emphasis. My gripe at DU for assuming.

Ignore that this is in response to Imajika - I address it to all.

All of us should not use language that assumes that the suspect did it - with barely a thimble of knowledge to support our stand.

If we assume we should stil hedge our comments until we know more - or better - letting the cops make a case and wait for the trial.

We don't have to play judge.

I treasure the American value of talking about it and sharing info, but using the word IF or the words IF HE DID IT, etc. Sometimes we can trust the police and the prosecutor. Let the system take care of it the proclamaton of guilt.

Let's not do what FOX and the other networks do - jumb to guilt - remember Gary Condit.

DU can get un-American lightening quick.

Let's stay with old American values.

Phrase is so that we don't lynch with words.

It's a simple 'do unto others'.

[SeattleGirl]

72. Um, he was IN prison. And he has committed many crimes.

Please, I know what you're saying, but while the police and the court system IS guilty of wrongful convictions and so forth, sometimes a person IS guilty, and sometimes a person IS a bad person with little redeeming qualities. This "person of interest" seems to be one of those.

[peacetalksforall]

80. If you assume he did it, you are the jury and judge. You can think whatever

you want - it's phrasing I'm talking about. It is all about being careful in writing and speech.

I'm not trying to get you to change your mind about anything except that we shouldn't be word posse's or burn witches with words.

It is very easy to do what I'm suggesting. Just follow old journalism from a good journalist. Keyword is: Allege (Allegedly)

(I'm not the journalist I'm referring to, but we have plenty of good models - they just aren't on FOX and the six other networks - we shouldn't copy them.)

[SeattleGirl]

85. Well, when I have posted specifically about him, I have noted he is

a "person of interest", which is exactly what the police said.

I am not being judge and jury, but you sure seem to be.

[peacetalksforall]

98. I just want us to be American, adult, careful, responsible - in contrast to the teabagger types who

thrive on lies. I honor innocent until proven guilty, separation of church and state, decency over law.

I write in protest to out of control Republicans.

[gopiscrap]

99. Thank you!!!

But if he did it...Huckabee is fucked and we should go the offensive and talk about the irresponsible decisions that repukes make all their lives!!!

[peacetalksforall]

101. Yes.

[bertman]

36. Our jails are jammed with people who committed the heinous crime of possessing pot

while guys like this are released.

This is disgusting on so many levels.

I'm so sorry for the families and friends of those police officers. Very sad.

[SeattleGirl]

43. True. Makes me wonder if he gave clemency to any pot smokers?

Probably not. :banghead:

[moobu2]

47. +10

[Doctor_J]

141. Heh. Word. I wonder how many pot smokers Huck pardoned

and burglars, sex workers, and other non-violent schmucks.

[Synicus Maximus]

39. If he is guilty it will hut Huckabee but that was 9 years ago. What

I would like to know is how he got out of jail in Washington.
According to the article.

"Troyer said Clemmons has an extensive violent criminal history from Arkansas, including aggravated robbery and theft. He has also recently been arrested and charged in Pierce County for assault on a police officer and for rape of a child."

[SeattleGirl]

45. He got out on bail.

I don't think they should have released him on bail, given his record, and the two charges he was facing.

[BREMPRO]

41. but he lost weight and he was a born again so he earned clemency

Hucakjesus is toast politically after this one. willie horton X 4


i was subjected to his RW propaganda show at a local pizza shop the other day. O M G he is such a smooth slimy lieballer of a politician. His matter of fact critique of Obama and the Dems- that we need to take the country back from these terrible Democrats so we can bring America back to glory was SO FUKIN iNSANE- It's as if the Bush 8 year disaster NEVER happened. Repuke rely on perpetual amnesia and patriotic emotions of their followers. Unfortunately it usually works.

[MilesColtrane]

42. There go Huck's Presidential aspirations.

His primary party mates will have a field day with this new Willie Horton.

[Imajika]

49. And possibly his show on Fox...

The rightwing audience for that channel is not going to like this one iota.

[SeattleGirl]

51. If they let him off the hook for this, they ARE certifiable.

[Selena Harris]

52. Down the Foxhole

[AzNick]

100. Fox can spin anything...

They'll spin this around like a record, baby.

Eventually it will be some Democrat's fault and they will say the Huckster was lied to.

[zbdent]

131. and ironically, this guy was imprisoned and sentenced under Clinton ...

of course, it will be Clinton's fault because he wasn't put to death ...

[David Zephyr]

50. Watch the short, famous Willie Horton Ad used against Mike Dukakis. Huckabee is finished.

Huckabee is finished as a presidential candidate.

This is now the second time his clemencies resulted in horror.

The death penalty crowd in the GOP will not like Mike Huckabee's contribution to cop killing.

Here's the link to the famous ad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Io9KMSSEZ0Y

[BallardWA]

59. I agree

Mike Huckabee, meet your Horton. Not that he would have been a serious contender....

[David Zephyr]

151. Welcome to the DU.

Huckabee has led consistently in every GOP polling. And he owned Iowa.

He's toast. He's done.

Welcome to the DU. :hi:

[progressivebydesign]

55. Betcha all he had to do is claim he was Born-again in prison, for Huckabee to do this.

Because the prosecutors in Arkansas were VERY passionate about keeping that thug in prison!

[SeattleGirl]

58. That was my thought too.

More proof that the fucking Republicans are not capable of thinking beyond what they want to hear.

[ribrepin]

61. I wonder if Arkansas pardoned him and gave him a bus ticket to Washington state?

[greengestalt]

63. Don't know the details, but a personal memory

When I was in grade school a classmate -not a friend of mine, but a small class and we all knew each other- lost his police officer father to an act of vengeance. A person he arrested swore he'd kill him when he got out, and whatever other failings (crimes) to his character, well I don't suppose "Honesty" is a complement here. Or, rather it is in the way of mentioning that Pol Pot said "It now Yeal Zelo!!!" being an exception to the right wing lie that communist leaders can't fulfill their promises.


So, I wonder, what were the particulars of this case? Did this police officer harass and entrap this person? Did he ruin someone with a technicality arrest? Or, was this person just a vermin? I don't enshrine police officers, matter of fact on a jury I'd be tempted to "Nullify" just to openly protest "Justice by Points" and "Proactive Policing", but would do so only if in that particular case it seemed to be a "Points" / "Entrapment" issue.

[SeattleGirl]

66. Maurice Clemmons, the "person of interest", has a long criminal

history, and is currently charged with assaulting a police officer AND second-degree rape of a child. This is no innocent little man who was bullied by the cops. He has a bad record, a LONG bad record.

I have no sympathy for him at all. None. He shot those officers in cold blood.

As to your comment about "nullifying" a verdict to open protest some police tactics, I hope to God you are never on a jury. It's obvious you wouldn't take serving seriously, which is what the defendant, the victims, and everyone involved in a case deserves.

[EFerrari]

73. Have they changed their minds about two shooters?

[SeattleGirl]

75. I have not heard them specifically say they have, but so far, Clemmons

is the only person, "of interest" or otherwise, they have been talking about.

[EFerrari]

77. Thank you, SeattleGirl. I lost the thread this afternoon.

[greengestalt]

122. IMO, those who aren't informed should be excluded

The very last bastion of our Republic is the Jury and it's ability to Nullify. Countless founders have made it clear that a Jury can nullify for any reason, including to make a statement. That's a final barrier against a group or individual that manages to take over the system. He or they can pass whatever laws they want, but if the juries keep nullifying them, they are laughed out in a way they'd rather be violently overthrown otherwise.


And, given recent "Polarizing" factors in politics and government, there is very good reason to spread the word and try to get more people willing to "Nullify" to hopefully scare the parasites back into hiding. I don't just mean "Left and Right" I mean huge companies doing things like abusing copyright law. I'd love to be on a copyright case, hopefully the person being 'made an example of' would go: "Well as a BABY I hummed ALL these tunes, I was only stealing back my own artwork they never gave me a nickel for!" and I'd say "Yes, he does own the rights to all these tunes!" just for fun. I bet the CEO's heart would literally burst out of his chest like a cheap horror movie!


I doubt I'd let this scum (as he probably is this time) go just because I was mad at da fuzz for setting up a "Check everybody, but only do it when any real career criminals are sleeping, we just want to rob honest working folks behind on their bills." roadblock, but then again... And also we might hear nothing about the suspect or why he (allegedly or openly) shot the cop. The accused is supposed to have the benefit of the doubt, so anything we aren't "Sure" about the doubt should go against the one making the accusation.

[wordpix]

88. read the articles - Clemmons had mental probs and a long rap sheet of violent felonies

He was given 200 years but got out on 11. Got the picture?

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[Skittles]

117. digusting

[Dora]

128. That's an opinion best kept to yourself.

It's stinking up the room.

[live love laugh]

74. This man is psychotic and extremely dangerous. I hope they catch him soon. nt

[caseymoz]

76. Was it because Clemmons expressed born-again Christianity?

I'd like to know if that was Huckabee's pattern for giving out clemency and pardons. Clemmons sounds like he's criminally psychotic and maybe hyper-religious (a symptom of psychosis). His call for the family to get naked early Sunday morning certainly sounds like an original (psychotic) interpretation of Christianity.

If Huckabee was granting clemency and pardons on that basis, he deserves to be buried.

[SeattleGirl]

81. Huckabee was handing out clemency like it was Halloween candy.

Check near the top of the thread. TwilightGardener has a link to a story about the hundred of clemency's that Huckabee handed out, for than the 4-5 states surrounding Arkansas.

Absolutely disgusting.

[moobu2]

90. This ABC story say's Huckabee's christian faith had a lot to do with it

None of the prosecutors were ever told why Huckabee felt compelled to have a hand in freeing so many prisoners, though all of them speculate that his deeply religious nature led to a strong belief in repentance and forgiveness. In some cases, prosecutors say, evangelical leaders attested that a prisoner had found Jesus and that seemed to influence the governor's thoughts.


link

[SeattleGirl]

91. God, but that just pisses me off!

Part of "redemption" is that you don't go out and do the same bad thing, or something even worse, afterwards.

Redemption, forgiveness, etc., are NOT tickets to continue robbing, raping, murdering, etc. It's like saying your sorry while you have your hand in the forgiver's pocket to steal his money.

[caseymoz]

135. If that's the basis of it, Huckabee deserves a deep political burial.

That's cons' oldest trick in the book, the prison-yard conversion. Was he the only governor that did not know this? Or did he pray to God first, therefore assuring he had to believe the conversion? Once word about Huckabee's faith in human nature got out, every con would have been in on the act.

If this doesn't lead Huckabee to re-examine his beliefs, then his brains are made of oatmeal.

In Clemmons' case, it sounds like the conversion might have been sincere-- it's just that Clemmons' was a hyper-religious psychotic.

[lumpy]

140. Huckabee must have a Jesus complex- " you are forgiven, my

son, go and sin no more".

[FarLeftFist]

79. ***EVERYONE EMAIL THIS STORY TO CNN AND OTHER MSM****

I have.

[moobu2]

82. HUCKABEE'S STATEMENT REGARDING WASHINGTON STATE SLAYINGS

by Press Team
The senseless and savage execution of police officers in Washington State has saddened the nation, and early reports indicate that a person of interest is a repeat offender who once lived in Arkansas and was wanted on outstanding warrants here and in Washington State. The murder of any individual is a profound tragedy, but the murder of a police officer is the worst of all murders in that it is an assault on every citizen and the laws we live within.

Should he be found to be responsible for this horrible tragedy, it will be the result of a series of failures in the criminal justice system in both Arkansas and Washington State.This commutation made him parole eligible and he was then paroled by the parole board once they determined he met the conditions at that time. He was arrested later for parole violation and taken back to prison to serve his full term, but prosecutors dropped the charges that would have held him. It appears that he has continued to have a string of criminal and psychotic behavior but was not kept incarcerated by either state. This is a horrible and tragic event and if found and convicted the offender should be held accountable to the fullest extent of the law. Our thoughts and prayers are and should be with the families of those honorable, brave, and heroic police officers.


http://www.huckpac.com/?Fuseaction=Blogs.View&Blog_id=2907

[SeattleGirl]

86. Um, Mike, I think you left YOUR PART in all of the OUT.

Jackass!

[Botany]

95. He would never have been in front of the parole board w/ out Mike's help

Say good bye to your political future Mike.

BTW this is now worse than letting the guy who rapped Bill Clinton's cousin
out so he could commit one or more murders.

[wordpix]

89. a little late, Shitbrain Mike: Clemmons "should be held accountable to the fullest extent of law."

Huck forgot to say HE was part of that criminal justice system, as the Governor-buck-stops-here.

[DebbieCDC]

155. Project much Fuckabee?

"...it will be the result of a series of failures in the criminal justice system..." "he was paroled by the Parole Board..."

Yeah, who fucking gave him CLEMENCY asshole? Not the Parole Board. Not the prosecutors.

[moobu2]

92. Huckabee actually "LOL" when asked by prosecutor why he would grant clemency to one murderer

In one instance, a Huckabee commutation was overturned by a lawsuit that found a technical error in the clemency process. In 2004, Huckabee attempted to grant clemency to Don Jeffers, who in 1980 pleaded guilty to bludgeoning to death William Hash. After Saline County Prosecuting Attorney Robert Herzfeld asked the governor to explain why he would commute Jeffers' life sentence, Huckabee's aide Cory Cox wrote a letter to Herzfeld saying "the governor read your letter and laughed out loud."

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=3983797&page=3

[Botany]

93. Didn't Huckabee pardon somebody who raped one of Bill Clinton's 2nd or ...

.... 3rd cousin even after she begged him not to and he (the rapist) went on to kill one or two people in
Missouri?

[Justitia]

111. Yup, Wayne DuMond. See upthread. -eom

[proteus_lives]

96. Well, this a huge fuck-up.

Clemency for that shit-stain?

[wickerwoman]

97. I think a lot of you are giving Republicans way too much credit

for intellectual honesty. The Huckabee connection will never be made by the national mainstream media and if you bring this up with Republicans they'll just say "well, he can't be held responsible for something someone else did."

Plus Arkansas is one of the poorest states in the country. Their prisons are probably overcrowded and Huckabee granted clemency to a bunch of criminals to save money. That should really be the issue here... our insane drug policy and locking up tons of non-violent offenders to the point that we can't afford to keep the really bad guys away from society.

As much as I'd like this to be the end for Huckabee, I doubt this will be a real impediment to his campaign. Dems won't nail him on it and Republicans won't acknowledge their own hypocrisy.

[AllHereTruth]

102. Dedicated to Huckabee bashing? Really?

It deeply saddens me that the this thread is dedicated to Huckabee bashing. Grow up DU...

OMGZ A REPUBLICAN TALKING HEAD/POLITICIAN THAT I DON'T LIKE DID SOMETHING THAT TURNED OUT YEARS LATER TO BE A BAD JUDGMENT CALL

Wait. I thought the story here was 4 cops being murdered execution style? Maybe we could talk about that instead.

I am really fucking pissed right now. Not a single post, Let me make that louder for you all, NOT A SINGLE FUCKING POST mentions how horrible this is without bringing up how much Huck fucked up, and how bad HE is.

I think im about done with DU. Incidents like this one are popping up more and more. Its becoming a Leftist Freeper fest. For fucks sake.

[Name removed]

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[SeattleGirl]

106. Amen to that!

Since when do we defend Huckabee here for something he actually did?

[AllHereTruth]

108. Ok. I can take that.

"Since when do we glorify cops"
I don't believe i did anything of the sort.

if this was reversed and it was Democrat that did this..it would be all over the news for days and the repukes would make us eat shits for years over it."
This is exactly the point i was trying to make. Do you not see that? We have become no better than those which we complain about day in and day out. The highlight of this story is 4 cops being murdered. yet all we at DU see is a Republican.

Jesus guys. I am in no way saying every time some cop gets murdered we should get on our hands and knees and weep. The point. As i thought i made the first time round is simple.

And, by the way, how exactly am i defending Huck? Yes. He fucked up letting this guy out. I didn't say he didn't. I am simply saying its fucking disgusting that an entire thread about 4 people being murdered exo style is dedicated to trashing a republican.

So. Having said that. Fuck you for telling me to go fuck myself.

*Peace*

[snagglepuss]

112. What is wrong with trashing the fucking repuke swine that let the fucker out?

[AllHereTruth]

113. I have a hard time believing Huck knew this guy would kill 4 people

Should he have let him out? In hindsight no. But that is not the point. The point is he didn't know. He made a judgment call which turned out to be wrong. But to pin the individuals death solely on Huck is outrageous and asinine.

I am not saying you are doing that. But form reading this thread that is the general conscious. It is the 'collective DU' mind at work, and it is increasingly becoming about bashing Republicans no matter the reason.

The story here is the murders.

I get outraged when Republicans do the same thing. As a previous post insinuated 'they do it to us so why shouldn't we do it right back to them.' (The them being conservatives and the us being liberals) and the reason is simple. Because we should be above that.

Lets not forget this is breaking news, we all know how reliable breaking news is. The statement from the police goes as follows: Authorities have not identified Maurice Clemmons as a suspect, but said they are looking for him as part of their investigation into the "ambush" Sunday morning at a coffee shop near Tacoma in Pierce County.

If it turns out he is not the man who committed this violent act where does that leave us? Lets leave it at breaking news for now, comment on the why and how later.

[snagglepuss]

114. First of all. Repukes have provided enough reason to bash them from now

to eternity, repukes are ignorant, vicious, corrupt, hypocritical, greedy, self-serving swine that deserve not a moment of respect.

As for this situation, Huckabee IGNORED prosecutors' warning about Clemmons and because Huckabee ignored the warnings and commuted his sentence he is responsible for those deaths. Reckless and stupid, just like Palin, Bush, Cheney, and every other rotten repuke.:mad:

[AllHereTruth]

115. This is no different.

I am sure for each and every Clemons of a convicted man or woman there is a prosecutor giving reasons against.

This is no different.

[snagglepuss]

116. All don't seem at all familiar with the facts. Clemons was facing a 95 year

prison sentence. Please provide names of other violent offenders facing 95 year sentences whose sentences were commuted after serving only 11 years.

[moobu2]

152. Wrong, this is very different

Huckabee pardoned or commuted more violent felons than all the surrounding 7 states combined, over 700 I believe. Huckabee allowed his twisted religious beliefs cloud his judgment here, and he should be held accountable. What if any of these police officers was your father, mother, sister, brother, son or daughter and you knew that they would still be here if not for Huckabee's sick warped sense of Christian forgiveness? Damn, I cant believe anyone would defend this creep.

[fascisthunter]

159. yes there is.... you are defending

a lost argument

[Occulus]

162. But... the Republican we're trashing is the prime mover in these officers' deaths. n/t

[gopiscrap]

163. I could give a rats ass about the cops

or anything else unless it's gets the Democrats closer to victory and making the repukes look bad..it'sall about the win! With out, we don't get the bills we want..who cares how we win just so long as we do win. We've been playing nice and decent way too and it gets us screwed to the wall.

[JTFrog]

120. Don't let the door hit ya then.

Did you read the thread title before clicking on it?

Here is the thread you are looking for:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7112715

It has everything you've asked for.

This one was to point out Huckabee's connection. You don't want to hear about it or talk about it? Don't click on the fucking link. Easy enough.

Oh.. And please spare us the GBCW post before you go. I think this one sums it up well enough.

[David Zephyr]

156. +1

Thanks for the link that should have the other poster apologizing for such self-righteousness and sweeping indictment of everyone here at the DU.

Your link should shame the shit out of the poster. I thank you, JTFrog.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

121. Bye Bye n/t

[fascisthunter]

158. you are wrong... look and you will find a thread filled with those responses

[miyazaki]

104. really screwed the pooch on this one. n/t

[Skittles]

107. nine children lost a parent

my heart goes out to these families :cry:

[OttavaKarhu]

109. You are exploiting our community tragedy

Can't you have the decency to wait at least a day or two before dragging politics into it?

We have lost friends, relatives, community members, parents, siblings, neighbors...

...and all DU can do is use it so cheaply?

Can't you have the human kindness to hold your political bashing of Huck Thin at least until the murderer is caught and the victims have been buried?

Then--have at the bastard, I hate him too.

But really.

[Name removed]

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[Botany]

123. Please DU did not cause this tragic act or did it drag politics into the story

Muck Huckabee did that on his very own and this is the second time one of his
acts as Governor of Arkansas has resulted in a murder(s). Hundreds of media
outlets now have the story ..... Seattle Post Intelligencer had this story @ or before
DU's post .... go yell @ google 2,000 plus stories on this.

[mistertrickster]

138. The CONs said that about 9-11 too . . . about 20 minutes before they politicized it.

Sorry, DU is a political site. We believe that politics, far from being some BS Washington thing, is intimately tied to the life we live every day.

I personally feel that next to an individual's day-to-day choices and decisions, it exerts the most powerful force on our culture, our work and living standards of any other single institution.

Politics is life itself. Those who refuse to believe this allow other people to control their lives.

[underpants]

118. What a horrific story- read it this morning- just horrible

this was a brutal ambush.

[creekboy]

125. aint no water in the pool!

[mistertrickster]

137. A violent psychotic murderer walks free. Pot heads rot in jail. What's wrong with this picture? nt

[HarryTrumanDem]

139. Gawd works in mysterious wayz

Can ah ah get a witness?

Po' Huckabilly

[RamboLiberal]

142. Huckabee commuted sentence of man tied to police slayings

Source: SeattlePI.com

The man whom police are seeking as a "person of interest" in the slaying of four police officers was released from an Arkansas prison nine years ago after a controversial decision by then-Gov. Mike Huckabee to commute his sentence.

Maurice Clemmons, 37, was identified late Sunday by the Pierce County Sheriff's Office as a man sought for questioning . Clemmons has pending charges in Pierce County Superior Court for second-degree child rape and third-degree assault for an attack on a police officer. He was released from custody in those cases after posting a $150,000 bond, according to the Lakewood Police Department.

Long before coming to Washington, Clemmons was serving a 35-year prison term in Arkansas for armed robbery but his sentence was commuted by then-Gov. Huckabee, who unsuccessfully sought the Republican nomination in his 2008 presidential bid, according to the Arkansas Times Web site.

After his release, he committed two armed robberies and other crimes and was sentenced to 10 years, but was later paroled, according to this column in the Arkansas Leader.

You can see more from Clemmons' criminal case in Arkansas here. http://courts.state.ar.us/opinions/1998b/981008/cr98-296.html



Read more: http://www.seattlepi.com/local/412737_suspect230.html

[freeplessinseattle]

143. he's not in custody yet?? was in stand-off nearly 12 hours ago

guess they want to be extra sure. weird.

edit: just read on KOMO that he wasn't found in that house so they are checking the house next door. for hours on end apparentely. This guy has to know he hasn't got much chance living on the lam, the most wanted man in WA state.

[RamboLiberal]

144. He wasn't in the house

Right now they don't know where he is.

SEATTLE (AP) — The suspect in the slaying of four police officers gunned down in a coffee shop was not found Monday in the Seattle home where he was thought to have been holed up overnight, likely wounded from his bloody encounter with the officers.

Pierce County sheriff's spokesman Ed Troyer said the location of Maurice Clemmons was not known, and it's possible he still could be in the neighborhood. Troyer also said people who know Clemmons told investigators he had been shot in the torso.

"If he didn't get a ride out of there, he could still be in the area," Troyer said.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-11-29-police-officers-shot-washington_N.htm

[freeplessinseattle]

145. oops, had just edited.

(the OP isn't really LBN, btw, check the Greatest page. I'm not usually one of "those" people, but someone else will say it if I don't). Good for the Mon people to know tho and spread it far and wide...

[galadrium]

146. Expect the Republicans running against the Huckster to create Wille Horton style ads against him.

Should be wonderful.

[Hulk]

147. I'm sure fox snooze will cover this story in depth....

NO connection will even been whispered in the halls of the propaganda center for the right wing nut cakes.

huckleberry's secret is safe.

[Doctor_J]

149. true that. The people of OozeBeckistan will never hear of Huck's part in this

if you ask one of them about it, (s)he will tell you that it was the fault of Bill Clinton or the "60's radicals"

[moobu2]

153. Tina Griswold, 40; Ronald Owens, 37; Sgt. Mark Renninger, 39; and Greg Richards, 42

These murdered police officers had 9 children between them and they were someones fathers, mother, brothers, sister, sons and daughter.

[colbertforpresident]

154. New Huckabee Campaign Ad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Io9KMSSEZ0Y

[fascisthunter]

157. There goes Huckabee's Chance to run for President

bye bye... you fanatic.

[superconnected]

161. Good point!