Official: 4 police officers shot dead in Wash.

[IndianaGreen]

Source: BBC News & AP

Breaking News: Several police officers shot near US military base in Washington state, US media report

On BBC news crawler now. No link

On edit. Here is the AP story:

Official: 4 police officers shot dead in Wash.

PARKLAND, Wash. (AP) - A Washington state official says multiple police officers have been shot near McChord Air Force Base.

Pierce County Sheriff's spokesman Ed Troyer tells KOMO-TV that the officers were hit at the east side of the Air Force base at about 8:30 a.m. Sunday.

No information was immediately available on the number of officers shot or the extent of their injuries.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OFFICERS_SHOT?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2009-11-29-12-54-47



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Updated initial BBC news crawler report with initial AP report.

[onehandle]

1. Link: Four police officers shot dead at Lakewood coffee shop

The Pierce County Sheriff’s Department has reported that four police officers have been shot dead in an ambush at the Forza Coffee coffee shop at 11401 on South Steele Street in Lakewood Sunday morning.

Pierce County Sheriff's spokesman Ed Troyer said investigators are immediately offering a $10,000 reward for information leading to the suspect, and that number is expected to grow.

He could not say what agency the officers were from.

The officers were sitting in the coffee shop with their computers out when the shooter came in. The officers were targeted, and it was not a robbery, investigators believe. "It was just a flat out ambush," Troyer said.

http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/breaking/story/973573.html

[IndianaGreen]

10. Thanks for the link

[Evergreen Emerald]

2. Here is a link:

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/78088192.html

PARKLAND, Wash. - Four police officers were shot and killed in a Sunday morning ambush at a Parkland-area coffee shop, officials said.

Emergency personnel rushed to the scene after receiving a report that multiple officers were shot and killed in the ambush at 8:30 a.m. Sunday, according to reports from the scene.

[IndianaGreen]

15. Thanks for the link

[UpInArms]

3. Multiple officers reported shot in Parkland, Wash.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/nation/6744001.html

PARKLAND, Wash. — A Washington state official says multiple police officers have been shot near McChord Air Force Base.

Pierce County Sheriff's spokesman Ed Troyer tells KOMO-TV that the officers were hit at the east side of the Air Force base at about 8:30 a.m. Sunday.

No information was immediately available on the number of officers shot or the extent of their injuries.

....

:(

[Sanity Claws]

4. Why the reference to the military base? (Ques. aimed at writer, not DU poster)

Police officers were targeted, not the base or troops.
My guess: gang members knew the officers went there on a regular basis and the time. They just showed up to get the police officers.
Playing up the military seems to be an effort to promote a terrorism scare.

[IndianaGreen]

7. This was the BBC news crawler

I am sure the headline will be edited by the time it gets posted as a regular news story.

[MineralMan]

8. I don't think there's any connection to the base.

Either it's just a locational reference or (I hope not) someone's trying to make some sort of point.

[EFerrari]

11. Or just identifying the location via the closest big thing. n/t

[MineralMan]

17. I think the City of Tacoma would be more recognizable

to BBC folks, really. McChord is a pretty small base, with an Air Transport Command. Ft. Lewis is more important, actually.

Tacoma is the most recognizable thing close to this shooting.

[EFerrari]

18. Thanks for the info, MineralMan. n/t

[Tempest]

53. Tacoma is a big city

I used to live there and hearing it was next to McChord told me exactly where the shootings took place.

I knew right away I didn't have to worry about my friends who live on the other side of town.

[Robb]

9. Only that it's right across the street from the base.

That's a reasonable thing to point out, IMO.

[IndianaGreen]

13. Per LBN rules, I have to use the actual headline

as soon as BBC offers more information, I will update story.

[Robb]

16. I'm not complaining.

It's right across from the base's airstrip, I think it's relevant to mention.

[left coaster]

14. Irresponsible journalism, at best..

...or outright corporate media scare tactics, at worst..

Either way, it's too soon to even attempt to make that kind of connection.

[Tuvok Obama]

25. You'd need to see a map of the location to see why McChord is relevant to the story

Someone with a good arm could stand in the parking lot of the Forza (where the shootings occurred) and literally throw a rock across the street and over the McChord fence. And McChord takes up such a massive chunk of real estate that it becomes a major point of reference. It would be the same if the shootings happened across the street from Disneyland -- it wouldn't make sense to report the story without referring to such a huge landmark.

[emilyg]

44. No. It's not.

Just pinpointing a location.

[Still Blue in PDX]

84. It seems very relevant to pinpoint the location.

Of course since I used to live in Spanaway it probably means more to me than it might to someone else.

[rhett o rick]

19. Easier to identify the approx location. Not too many people know where Parkland is. nt

[gateley]

26. True. I've been to McChord several times (lifelong Seattle resident)

and when I read 'Parkland' I had no idea where that was UNTIL they mentioned McChord.

[Lagomorph]

87. Far more people know where McChord is, than Parkland

McChord is a local landmark, while there is much confusion about all the small towns and neighborhoods around here.

[Gormy Cuss]

5. Four officers shot dead in Wash.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/11/29/national/a093603S48.DTL

[MineralMan]

6. Doesn't really seem to have anything to do with

McChord AFB.

[TwilightGardener]

12. I've never seen McChord, but if it's like any military base, it has a seedy area

of pawn shops and bars and general blight outside its gates. That's probably the only way the base factors in here.

[Tuvok Obama]

21. It's like that on the west side of McChord, not on the east side

I'm intimately familiar with this location. The west side is called Ponders Corner and it's almost all strip clubs, pawn shops, prostitutes and drug dealers.

On the other side of the east fence of McChord, where these shootings occurred, sits a primarily residential neighborhood. It's not exactly upscale, but not a slum by any means. Businesses in that area, like the coffee shop where these officers were killed, are not common. The officers were killed in what amounts to a residential district.

[TwilightGardener]

31. Thanks--interesting. Not just a bad-neighborhood situation, then.

[mrs_p]

36. does parkland still

have a really bad korean gang problem? my friend is from there (and now a seattle police officer) and that was the case back in the 90s.

[Tuvok Obama]

46. The Korean gangs are well known for occupying the other side of Nalley Valley

But if what Northwest Cable News reported is true (no link -- it was reported on their news station), and it's possible they got it wrong, these were Lakewood officers.

Lakewood is on the other side of the base, and is an entirely separate jurisdiction than Parkland (which is shared by Tacoma Police and the Pierce County Sheriff department).

If that's the case, it's odd that the officers would travel outside their jurisdiction just to plan their day and then return to their jurisdiction to begin their shift. (Sheriff's spokesman Ed Troyer said the officers were preparing for their shift at 8:30 am when they were shot.)

I'm saying that if they were Lakewood officers meeting in Parkland, and were specifically targeted as the story suggests (as opposed to a random crime of opportunity), this could easily be gang-related.

Lakewood has become so crime-ridden that I have fellow students who travel 15 miles to Puyallup every day rather than attend the main campus in Lakewood.

[proteus_lives]

20. How awful.

Sounds like a psycho with a mad-on for LEOs or authority figures.

An ambush?

[EFerrari]

22. Sounds targeted, not random.

:(

[proteus_lives]

24. That's what I meant, targeted against LEOs.

I imagine if it had something to do with one of the officers it would have happened in a different place. Like be ambushed in the driveway after coming home from work.

:-(

[EFerrari]

27. Wouldn't a person have to shoot really well to be able to do that?

Four officers before anyone can respond. I don't shoot so I don't know.

[proteus_lives]

32. Not necessarily.

It depends on how close they were and what weapon they were using.

The lEOs were sitting at a table drinking coffee and working on their laptops. (Probably catching up on holiday paperwork.)

The person walks in with an automatic weapon and sprays. It doesn't take skill, just luck and surprise. The LEOs didn't notice them on the way in and they had no chance to respond.

It depends on the weapon but I doubt the guy even aimed. He probably just pointed the weapon and raked the table back and forth until the clip was empty and walked out. Whole thing probably took less then 30 seconds.

Even if you have never held a weapon before, you could do this if you had the element of surprise.

[EFerrari]

34. Oh, god. I hadn't thought of an automatic weapon.

:(

[proteus_lives]

38. This is saying it was a handgun.

http://www.king5.com/news/local/Police-officers-shot-78089882.html

Even though, element of surprise is still the issue. The LEOs just didn't have time to respond.

:-(

[MindPilot]

37. The article now says two gunmen.

Doesn't mention type of firearms.

[Pavulon]

41. No. That happens in movies. Full auto

does not equal aimed fire. Full auto is used to make people duck so other people can move towards or away from them. Other than that aimed fire is required.

In reality, action is faster than reaction so a person planning this would have the advantage of surprise.

Pretty sad, those guys probably never had a chance to react.

[proteus_lives]

43. That makes sense.

You're right, advantage of surprise is the most important factor.

[knightinwhitesatin]

66. Not really

I can get off 9 shots with my Sig Sauer P226 and hit the target 9 times in about 6 seconds.

If the cops were sitting down and eating or having coffee, it would take 2-3 seconds to realize what was happening, another 1 for the brain to process and then 2-4 more to draw weapons. At this point we are almost at 8 seconds, if the shooter was me I could have hit all 4 cops and been on my way out before they could take aim at me.

Also it said they were catching up on paperwork. If they had paper and files all across their laps and the tables that adds more time they need before they can respond up to about 12 seconds total. At that point the shooter could be back out the door.

It sounds like a calculated ambush by one shooter with decent aim with a semi automatic handgun. Probably a remington or a sig.

Whatever the cause what a horrible tragedy for the victims and their families.

[MindPilot]

28. That's an understatement!

Four cops shot and killed and nobody in custody. That's a professional hit.

[EFerrari]

29. I don't know anything about guns or shooting but

sounds like it.

[proteus_lives]

33. Read my post. Might not be the case.

[krispos42]

54. Two gunmen, intent on killing

They plan their targets... each one takes two. Sweep in with guns drawn, if the cops are facing the door, or else walk in like ordinary customers until they identify where the cops are.

Cops don't realize anything is wrong unless one of them looks up at the right time and sees what's coming through the door. Or hears the first gunshot, or a customer taking a shocked breath or screaming.

Then it's too late. Each shooter fires at their first target, then in less than a second they have turned and are engaging the 2nd. Cops are down, their attemps to rise and draw or take cover, combined with the impact and panic from bullets hitting body armor, dumping them on the floor in a tangle of arms and legs. Then a quartet of head shots, and the shooters are out and gone.

:patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:


Dammit, this country is going crazy! :cry:

[EFerrari]

59. It sure looks like it.

:hug:

[knightinwhitesatin]

67. See me post upthread

2 shooters could do the deed in 5 seconds with two handguns.

sad sad day

[liberalmuse]

23. Unreal.

4 families lost their loved ones this morning. :( I wonder when the gun lovers are going to show up and say, 'If only they had been armed...' Oh, wait. :mad:

[IndianaGreen]

30. The ones that want to block cities from having any sort of gun control

they are the worst of the worse.

[MindPilot]

35. I'm gonna hazard a guess that whoever did this

would not have been deterred by a law prohibiting him from possessing a gun since he was obviously not deterred by laws prohibiting him from killing cops!

[proteus_lives]

39. And this shooter would have obeyed gun control laws?

I highly doubt it.

[michreject]

64. Gun control would have stopped this, how?

Here's a free clue. It wouldn't have.

[AtheistCrusader]

51. Nice.

Way to hide a vicious smear behind 'oh the poor families'.

You must be so proud of your cleverness.

[valerief]

70. What was the vicious smear? Who was smeared? nt

[AtheistCrusader]

85. LiberalMuse

As if any firearms enthusast from the Gungeon would say something asinine like that.

[MrMickeysMom]

78. You might want to apologize for that retort...

In no way did I read anything from it other than an NRA type mindset response.

Unbelievable...

[AtheistCrusader]

86. And who on this board posts NRA type mindset responses?

Only people smearing others with ugly, vicious strawmen.

[MrMickeysMom]

89. Talk about a strawmen argument...

You just set up the biggest false argument of all.

Bye-bye

[AtheistCrusader]

91. I replied with your own words.

Try making sense.

[Name removed]

40. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[gateley]

42. 3 male cops, 1 female. All were fully "dressed" for work, had vests

on. They don't know how many shots were fired or if any shots were returned. Lakewood, Tacoma PD.

Just listened to a statement on KOMO 1000 am radio. Didn't catch who the spokesperson was.

[Kadie]

45. So sad.

Thoughts and prayers with their families.

[MadMaddie]

55. It's the officer with the moustache that we usually see when there

are issues concerning police. I think he is from Pierce county.

King 5 has constant coverage right now.

[Tuvok Obama]

60. Ed Troyer (nt)

[UndertheOcean]

47. sad , I just hope this doesn't spur violent retaliation agianst suspects that might be innocent

Cops are known to have a strong vengeance streak when one of their own dies , while downplaying their killing of innocent people.

[sudopod]

50. :/

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[B2G]

63. Dumb post of the year award. NT

[UndertheOcean]

65. really , why ? n/t

[12string]

69. police killers

So many here are quick to lay the blame on gang members,yet fail to mention that the possibility that this could have been the work of a different gang,i.e.other police officers.Pierce County has always had one of the most corrupt police departments to be found anywhere.

[scribble]

48. Anybody bet on Skinheads in the Military?

I'll be this is a case of the Military lowering their standards far enough to let skinheads join. The Military is heading for a massive recruiting scandal regarding some of the men they recruit, and this might set it off.

sc

[UndertheOcean]

49. dude , or dudette , the suspect is a black man

[MadMaddie]

56. Suspect description below

Black male, med build 5'7 - 6'0 ft, scruffy, Black coat and jeans"mid 20's to 30's.

Something is going on now, there are police cars speeding towards somewhere now.....

[Imajika]

62. Errr, why skinheads?

I mean, what makes you think this would be related to white racist skinheads? I hadn't read anything that pointed to this being about skinheads.

I thought at least one of the suspects was an African American guy?

[knightinwhitesatin]

68. Because that person

has some preconceived notion that skinheads are everywhere in the military and they are just itching to waste some cops. I'm in the Army and yes there are more racists of all colors now versus when I joined, most skinheads are cowards.

I wonder who the poster thought was shooting at Fort Hood before we knew it was Major Hassan

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

77. It so helps to read the OP before responding.

[SeattleGirl]

52. Awful, awful, awful!

Jeebus Christ on a crutch! Seattle just buried an officer who was gunned down in his patrol car, and now this. :cry:

[MadMaddie]

57. It is really bad SeattleGirl

These shooters are cowards!

4 officers, 3 male and 1 female

Dammit! What a tradgedy!!

[Tuvok Obama]

58. LIVE ON LOCAL NBC AFFILIATE

Cameras are live on the scene - just finished interviewing police spokesman - suddenly multiple police cars, with sirens and lights on, speeding from the scene - probably a dozen or more from several jurisdictions, marked and unmarked - speeding north on Steele Street

Edit: Sheriff's spokesman is now saying it was a response to a caller wanting to turn himself in for the shootings. The caller was a crackpot with no connection to the crime.

[KT2000]

61. Oh no - what is this?

We just had an ambush killing of a police officer and wounding of another.
This cannot spread to even more killings.
Do these killers think they are martyrs or what.
We have alot of things to figure out to stop this.

[tomm2thumbs]

71. scary stuff and tragic for their families

unbelievable loss for a small force like that. My first reaction was to wonder if this was a copy cat to the Ft. Hood incident. Not saying it was, but that was my first reaction.

[cowcommander]

72. Police have been specifically targetted for years in Mexico

Looks like the drug violence is now finding its way here

[Flaneur]

73. Any evidence to support that assertion? I haven't seen any.

But as long as we're speculating, I think I'll go with guy/guys with grudge against cops. We have plenty of those and we have plenty of guns. Voila! We get incidents like these every once in awhile. Four cops killed in Oakland, was it four killed in Pittsburgh, one a month ago in Seattle. When I living in DC in the '90s, I remember when a guy walked out of a go-go club on Georgia Avenue and walked over to cop stopped at a traffic signal and wasted him.

That said, being a cop is still less dangerous than a number of other professions.

[redwitch]

74. How awful.

I am so weary of the violence. Prayers for their families. Apparently no one is safe anywhere anymore.

[robo50]

75. NO one and certainly not any city's finest deserves to be shot!

I am outraged by all this violence for no reason, whatsoever.

Why do Americans get so numb to it?

Should we all just wait around for more people to die?

[moobu2]

76. Man who killed four Lakewood officers may be wounded

"ARKLAND, Wash. - The man who killed four Lakewood police officers at a Parkland coffee shop may have been wounded by one of the officers.
Pierce County sheriff's spokesman Ed Troyer told reporters at the scene that one of the officers struggled out the door and fired his gun at the attacker.
"There is evidence that a Lakewood Police officer fired off some shots, and we hope that he hit him," said Troyer. "If he's hit, that means that he's injured somewhere with a gunshot wound."
Troyer said local hospitals have been contacted in case the suspect seeks medical attention.
"He's going to have to get that taken care of sometime, someplace and when that occurs we want to know where that person's at," said Troyer.
Troyer said the person may travel a distance and go to a hospital or medical center and claim that he accidentally shot himself."



http://www.king5.com/news/local/Police-officers-shot-78089882.html

[Tripper11]

79. Person of interest was granted clemency by Mike Huckabee

Man sought in Lakewood slayings had been granted clemency by Mike Huckabee

The man sought for questioning in the execution of four Lakewood police officers was granted clemency in 2000 by former Arkansas Gov. and presidential candidate Mike Huckabee. The man had been serving a sentence there for armed robbery and theft

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010382767_webfourdead29m.html

edited because the man is being sought for questioning and is still a person of interest, NOT a suspect.

[SeattleGirl]

81. You and I posted at the same time, but I did not have the info on

Huckabee granting him clemency.

[Tripper11]

82. No worries, got it from the Times Breaking News email

This is just brutal. Too much. I was bad enough when Officer Brenton was gunned down, but this is insane.

[SeattleGirl]

83. It really is insane.

What in the hell is going on around here?

[SeattleGirl]

80. BREAKING: Police have identified "person of interest" in the shooting

Maurice Clemmons.

They aren't calling him a suspect yet.

He was recently released from jail.

Police said they will have more updates in about 15 minutes (6:00 PST)

[msanthrope]

88. "POI" was released by Mike Huckabee.....

Nine years ago, then-Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee granted clemency to Clemmons, commuting his lengthy prison sentence over the protests of prosecutors.

"This is the day I've been dreading for a long time," Larry Jegley, prosecuting attorney for Arkansas' Pulaski County said Sunday night when informed that Clemmons was being sought in connection to the killings.

Clemmons' criminal history includes at least five felony convictions in Arkansas and at least eight felony charges in Washington. The record also stands out for the number of times he has been released from custody despite questions about the danger he posed.

Clemmons had been in jail in Pierce County for the past several months on a pending charge of second-degree rape of a child.



http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010385617_webmansought29.html







Who also released Wayne Dumond, because the victim was a Clinton relative...

"DuMond received his second sexual assault conviction from a rape perpetrated in Arkansas in 1984. The victim, Ashley Stevens, was a 17-year-old cheerleader and a third cousin of then-Governor Bill Clinton.<9> Although she is much younger than Clinton, they share the same set of great-great-grandparents.

SNIP

After Clinton was elected president, a right-wing campaign alleged that Clinton had framed DuMond for rape.<10><11> Prominent among those pushing for DuMond to be pardoned were Guy Reel, author of Unequal Justice: Wayne DuMond, Bill Clinton, and the Politics of Rape in Arkansas; Steve Dunleavy of the New York Post; and Jay Cole, Baptist pastor for the Mission Fellowship Bible Church in Fayetteville, who had championed DuMond's cause for more than a decade on his radio show.<12>

Many of the arguments advanced by DuMond's supporters have since been shown to be incorrect. Dunleavy claimed that:

1.DuMond was a "Vietnam veteran with no record" despite arrests for violent crime and previous rape charges going back to 1972;
2.the rape victim "failed to identify DuMond in two lineups", although she had in fact identified him in the only lineup where he was present:
3.the victim had "identified two other suspects, one an ex-boyfriend", although she had never in fact identified anyone but DuMond;
4.DNA evidence had exonerated DuMond, although no such definitive evidence existed;
5.Bill Clinton had personally intervened to keep DuMond in prison, despite the then-Governor's explicitly recusing himself from the case due to his distant blood-ties to the 17-year-old victim.<13>
Dunleavy also referred to the young woman, a minor at the time of the assault, on the record as the "so-called victim", and asserted "that rape never happened".<12>
SNIP----

Missouri crimes
Following his 1999 parole, DuMond moved to Missouri in August 2000, where he married Terry Sue, a member of a church group who visited him while he was incarcerated in Arkansas. On June 22, 2001, DuMond was arrested and charged with the September 20, 2000, rape and murder of Carol Sue Shields.<22> DuMond was convicted in the summer of 2003.<23>"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_DuMond

[Joanne98]

90. Man sought in slayings was granted clemency by former Gov. Huckabee

Maurice Clemmons, the 37-year-old Tacoma man being sought for questioning in the killing of four Lakewood police officers this morning, has a long criminal record punctuated by violence, erratic behavior and concerns about his mental health.

Nine years ago, then-Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee granted clemency to Clemmons, commuting his lengthy prison sentence over the protests of prosecutors.

"This is the day I've been dreading for a long time," Larry Jegley, prosecuting attorney for Arkansas' Pulaski County said Sunday night when informed that Clemmons was being sought in connection to the killings.

Clemmons' criminal history includes at least five felony convictions in Arkansas and at least eight felony charges in Washington. The record also stands out for the number of times he has been released from custody despite questions about the danger he posed.

Clemmons had been in jail in Pierce County for the past several months on a pending charge of second-degree rape of a child.

He was released from custody just six days ago, even though he was wanted on a fugitive warrant out of Arkansas and was staring at eight felony charges in all out of Washington state.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010385617_webmansought29.html

[SeattleGirl]

92. I know. See this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=4164927&mesg_id=4164927

[Snazzy]

93. Police: Suspect in police deaths hurt, maybe dead (AP 720 est)

Police: Suspect in police deaths hurt, maybe dead

By MANUEL VALDES
Associated Press Writer

SEATTLE (AP) -- A suspect in the slaying of four police officers who were gunned down in a suburban coffee shop was holed up at a Seattle house early Monday, wounded and possibly dead, police said.

Negotiators were trying to communicate with Maurice Clemmons, 37, using loudspeakers and explosions to try to prod him from hiding. At one point, gunshots rang through the neighborhood, about 30 miles from the original crime scene.

"We have determined that in fact he has been shot," said Ed Troyer, a spokesman for the Pierce County Sheriff. "He may be deceased from his gunshot wound."

Clemmons, who has a long criminal history - including a long prison sentence commuted by former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee nearly a decade ago - became the prime target Sunday in the search for the killer of Lakewood police Sgt. Mark Renninger, 39, and Officers Ronald Owens, 37; Tina Griswold, 40; and Greg Richards 42.

Authorities had speculated early Sunday that the gunman might have been wounded at the coffee shop by one of his victims. Troyer said interviews with others detained in the investigation confirmed that theory.

Police surrounded the house late Sunday, and a negotiator used a loudspeaker early Monday to call him out by name, saying: "Mr. Clemmons, I'd like to get you out of there safely. I can tell you this, we are not going away."

Any response from inside the house was inaudible from the vantage of a photographer for The Associated Press. But shortly thereafter, police began using sirens outside the house, and there were several loud bangs before the negotiator resumed speaking, saying: "This is one of the toughest decisions you'll make in your life, but you need to man up."

...

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OFFICERS_SHOT?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2009-11-30-07-20-26

[Snazzy]

94. Leschi neighborhood

Clemmons hurt, may be dead in Leschi home
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/78123962.html

http://maps.google.com/maps?t=h&q=47.600278,-122.292778&ie=UTF8&ll=47.288545,-122.420654&spn=1.222148,2.798767&z=9

(edit--yeah I see the other threads, coffee just hitting:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4165239

[MadMaddie]

95. Person of Interest named in Police Assinations in WA!!

Source: Seattle Times

This is a dupe! But since it is here I will keep it here for comments.





Read more: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010382767_webfourdead29m.html

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Guess what this guys release from Arkansas was very controversial...guess who the governer was at the time. Mike Huckabee...

[MineralMan]

96. Huckabee? There ya go...

[Bitwit1234]

97. Gee Didn't Armory and his cohort Atwell

make a big deal out of the fact that Willie Horton was released from prison early. BUT Dukasus had absolutely nothing to do with that. So lets make sure that Huckabee's name is listed over and over everywhere we can.

[MadMaddie]

98. Yes, you are right!!

It was a big deal!

[doc03]

99. Say it ain't so n/t

[depakid]

100. Actually, it sort of looks like a "usual suspect"

So folks might want to wait a while before celebrating Huck's demise.

[Ian David]

101. Bet you he's a chrisTian and the members of his congregation are shocked,

Maurice Clemmons doesn't sound like a Muslim name.

[OttavaKarhu]

102. Please stop exploiting our community tragedy

And please encourage others not to do so as well.

We have lost friends, relatives, family members, colleagues, neighbors, parents, siblings....

Please at least give us a chance to bury our dead before you exploit this for political spectacle.

After that, have at it--I hate Huckabee too. But for now, please, some restraint!