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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 07:14 AM
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Bush administration was 'running out of steam' before 9/11, Iraq inquiry told
Source: The Guardian

George Bush's administration was seen by many as "running out of steam" on the eve of the "great atrocity" of the 9/11 attacks on the United States, Britain's ambassador at the time, Sir Christopher Meyer, told the Iraq inquiry in London today.

It looked like an administration that had run into trouble very quickly, the former ambassador to Washington said. People were saying the effort of getting big tax cuts and medical prescription benefits for older people through Congress had "killed" Bush, Meyer said, adding that secretary of state Colin Powell's efforts to narrow and deepen sanctions against Iraq had failed and there was a "huge bear market" against Donald Rumsfeld, the defence secretary.

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On 9/11 Condoleezza Rice, then the US national security adviser, told Meyer she was in "no doubt: it was an al-Qaida operation". The following weekend Bush and his key advisers met at Camp David and contacts later told Meyer there had been a "big ding-dong" about Iraq and Saddam.

It seemed that Paul Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld's deputy, argued for retaliation to include Iraq, Meyer said. It was not clear where Rumsfeld stood. But later that month Bush and Tony Blair, on a visit to Washington, were agreed on a "laser-like focus" on al-Qaida and Pakistan.

Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/nov/26/bush-administration-911-iraq-inquiry



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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 07:37 AM
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1. And then there was the August 15th Presidential brief "bin Laden determined to strike in US".
d'oh
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tanstaafl Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 08:34 AM
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4. August 6th PDB not August 15th n/t
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 08:11 AM
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2. Yes, Thanksgiving Day Is Perfect For Remembering Our Turkeys
and how they gave us the worst case of "food poisoning" as well as everything else...
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MetaTrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 08:22 AM
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3. And Bush's first big business venture had been bankrolled by Osama Bin Laden's elder brother
But with billions of people on the planet, it's all coincidence, y'know?
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 08:50 AM
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5. " A big ding dong. Yuk, yuk. Smirk." - xCommander AWOL (R)
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DesertDiamond Donating Member (838 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 11:27 AM
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16. Wasn't that the Secret Service's code name for Bush? ;-)
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Torn_Scorned_Ignored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 08:55 AM
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6. annie too
But the anthrax scare had "steamed up" policy makers in Bush's administration and helped swing attitudes against Saddam, who the administration believed had been the last person to use anthrax.





I guess that worked out pretty well for them after-all. Good thing they had the Cipro at hand.

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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 09:19 AM
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7. Wake me up when the war crimes trials start
until then, I hate articles like this that only validate what we have known for 8 years.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 09:53 AM
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8. 9/11 was a prerequisite for the Bush Regime to succeed.
Without the attack, they wouldn't have been able to do anything.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 09:58 AM
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9. Interesting. First hint from insiders that things were going awry in early 2001.
The first Bush junta tax cut for the rich occurred on 5/3/01. It was a very close and controversial vote. The ten "Blue Dog" Democrats who voted in favor of it were headed by Gary Condit, one of whose mistresses--a young Bureau of Prisons intern, Chandra Levy--had disappeared two days before, on 5/1/01. On that day, 5/1/01, the day of Levy's disappearance, Condit met with Dick Cheney at noon, and there was a big hole in Condit's schedule after that until 3 pm. The initial "window of time" for Levy's disappearance--released by the FBI/DC police--was mid-morning. That was later revised to the early afternoon--much later. The FBI had taken custody of Levy's computer in May, and it took them several months--apparently--to determine when she had last used it. Big announcement in late July, that she had last used the computer, not in mid-morning, but in early afternoon around 1:00--and a high profile re-search of Rock Creek Park. (She had done MapQuest searches of the park and other locations.) They found nothing. (Her bones were found a year later, not far from one of the trails that had been searched in the park. Oh, and some poor El Salvadoran immigrant worker has been charged with her murder this year--eight years later!)

I was interested at the time, and am still interested, in the complete lack of interest by the FBI/DC police and the corpo-fascist press in Condit's meeting with Cheney, a meeting that was revealed in June (when Condit released his schedule for the day of Levy's disappearance). It was not even addressed in the press until August--just after the change in her disappearance time--when Newsweek published a story in which Cheney's aides said that neither Cheney nor his aides had ever been asked about the meeting, by anyone. So then they gave the official version of the meeting, in Newsweek: 20 minutes long, routine political meeting, nothing odd about Condit's behavior, two aides present.

The other thing that was going on that summer was a high-profile investigation of the FBI, by the House intelligence committee, of which Condit was a member. I don't recall what the investigation was about (or it was never made clear to the public). Condit was privy to many secrets, as a member of this committee. Thinking back from the present time, I suspect that it was an attempted Cheney purge of the FBI, with Condit as one of his operatives. It may not be related, but simultaneous with these events was John O'Neil's forced ouster from the FBI. He was THE agent following the Al Qaeda money trail in Yemen. (He took a job in private security at the WTC the week of 9/11, and died there on 9/11.)

My conclusion about these events, at the time, was that, a) the Washington press corps had gone totally rancid, and b) the Dark Force that had taken over our nation's capitol, via a stolen election, was extremely dangerous. Little did I know how dangerous.

However, it's interesting to look at it from another angle--in view of this Brit's remark--that the Cheney-Rumsfeld junta was very fragile. It had sold itself as "compassionate conservatism," blah-blah-blah, but actually represented only a tiny number of multi-billionaire global corporate predators and war profiteers. It had no legitimacy, as to representing America's mainstream, and was about to demonstrate that over the next eight years, by its mindboggling destruction of American democracy and prosperity. Its views were not at all "centrist conservative," but far rightwing extremist. 9/11 provided these rightwing extremists, and genocidal murderers, torturers and master thieves, the means of shoring up their fragile and illegitimate power with war fever, fearmongering and an assault on democratic rights and on all of our democratic institutions such as we have never seen in our history.

Dangerous they certainly are, but my new thought is that their actions derive from fear --fear that they tried to project outward--rather than from strength. They feared honest people and tried to purge them from the government. They preferred the corrupt--as they showed time and again, with all the venal (as well as grand scale) corruption around them--and they used peoples' weaknesses and corruption to blackmail them into doing their bidding. I think that our national political establishment--for all its grave failures, secrecy, dirty deeds, crime and corruption--finally got fed up with this junta, circa 2006, and de-fanged them somehow (related to nuking Iran--which got taken "off the table" at that time--Rumsfeld's ouster, and the Bush/Rove vs Cheney/Libby war over who would take the fall for outing CIA agent Plame and the CIA's WMD counter-proliferation project).

I feared Cheney, because of his evident power to prevent even a questioning of his meeting with Condit (not even to verify that the meeting took place!), and then to plant his own version of the story in Newsweek, in his own good time. And I still fear him--because of the power of Diebold & brethren. He and his evil crew have somehow been immunized for their crimes and they could come back. The far rightwing extremist corporation that now has a monopoly on our 'TRADE SECRET' vote counting system (ES&S, which just bought out Diebold) has the capability--the EASY capability-- of putting Dick Cheney in the White House, or anyone else they please.

But I think maybe we should consider the thing from this other side--that Cheney and other Bushwhacks, and the global corporate predators behind them, and the collusive Democrats-- fear us. They are grabbing everything they can--stealing from us hand over fist--in a "panic of the super-rich"--before we, as a people, fully catch onto them and gather our strength to disempower them. That's a better way to look at things than that we are hopelessly doomed to enslavement and continuous robbery, and other horrors. We need to understand that their power is an illusion, spun in the corpo-fascist media, reinforced by stolen elections--unrepresentative, illegitimate, fragile, brittle and breakable.
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 10:27 AM
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12. I can agree with almost all of that.
The only thing I don't agree with is the implication that Condet may have killed Chanda Levy.
He had here whacked.
And for him it was easy and safe because he was the conduit between the Hells Angels and other motorcycle gangs that the CIA uses to whack people in this country that get in their way.

But I don't have any facts to back this up....only personal experiences with the dark side.
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 12:44 PM
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18. Not saying it was Condit.
Not saying that Cheney had her killed either. Just that Cheney is part of Condit's alibi, and the FBI waits a long time to let anyone know when Levy left for the park. (The same FBI that refuses to look at the twentieth hijacker's computer prior to 9/11 and is rewarded for this by Bush admin after 9/11).

So, a voting Condit looking at death penalty can be blackmailed by a Cheney machine.

Who killed Levy doesn't matter inasmuch as they had Condit's vote and if Cheney's machine killed her, no one would find that out, if Condit killed her, he just had to vote what Cheney wanted to keep himself free, if it was a random killing, Cheney's machine would pull FBI strings to release damning information over long periods until Condit voted for Cheney's agenda.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 03:01 PM
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21. Yup, that's more what I meant. It's not possible to know (at this point) who killed her,
but it IS possible to surmise, on the basis of quite a lot of evidence that we have now, that Cheney was trying to purge the FBI and other agencies of any honest government servants, that government spying (likely for blackmail purposes) was pervasive, and that the Bushwhacks were bent upon using all agencies and powers of our government to bully and coerce obedience to their goals, including looting us blind. They were (are) extreme scofflaws. Their behavior on torture alone tells us what their attitude toward the rule of law is. Primarily, it is to be ignored--a mere trifle to be pushed aside--or twisted beyond all recognition, if necessary. Condit was obsessive about keeping his affairs secret. We have several accounts of that. And, as the leader of the "Blue Dog" Democrats*, he was obliged to maintain a pious front. For instance, he introduced a bill to require that the "Ten Commandments" be posted in all public buildings. With that kind of hypocritical facade, he was a prime candidate for blackmail.

The long delay (two months) in reporting on Cheney's meeting with Condit, in the press, would give Cheney a lot of time to decide how he wanted to handle the matter (and to cook up whatever story he wanted to tell about the meeting, which Newsweek then compliantly prints). Bear in mind that, up to that point, anyway--if Cheney's aides were telling the truth--no law enforcement officer had questioned Cheney (or aides) about it--not even to verify that it took place (which I find amazing). His side of the story is disclosed in Newsweek!--three months after Levy went missing. Maybe Cheney's purpose in having aides say that he was never questioned was to be perceived as above the law--it was a bully's brag--or to belittle the FBI. Maybe they did question him. Hard to know. (We shouldn't forget the simultaneous House investigation of the FBI, with Condit as an insider to that investigation and privy to many other secrets.) But, whatever happened with that, we have this: The Cheney/Condit meeting was disclosed in June and no one in the press corps asked him about it until August. That is an indication of several things--the untoward power of this man, way early in the Bush junta, and the dark cloud of fear of Cheney and other Bushwhacks, and slavish obeisance to them, that was already descending on Washington.

Think if this had occurred to Joe Biden, now. A close political ally meets with him on the day that that ally's mistress goes missing. She is not found and everybody fears that she's dead. It becomes a 'news' obsession of monumental proportions. The political ally, under pressure from police and media, releases his schedule for that day, and the meeting becomes public knowledge. Can you imagine the Washington press corps NOT asking Biden about it? 'Did you meet with so-and so? For how long? Who was in the meeting? What was said? Did the meeting have anything to do with his cross-party vote for your biggest, most high profile bill in Congress, two days after his mistress disappeared? Did you know he had a mistress? Did you ever meet his mistress? Have you been questioned by the police of the FBI?' And on and on and on. The silence around Cheney was remarkable. I noticed it even then, before we knew all that we know now. I found it very spooky--and bizarre.

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*(That was the first time I ever heard of the "Blue Dogs" and I have ever after associated them with selling their souls to the Bush junta--that is, to an agenda of mass slaughter, torture, unjust war and unprecedented looting of the public coffers and profiteering by absolute hypocrites, criminals and scumbags. I think most "Blue Dogs" have been put into Congress by Diebold & brethren along with most of the Pukes.)

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704wipes Donating Member (966 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 10:09 PM
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24. Chandra Levy was an intern for the Bureau of Prisons, right?
And was handling some things about Timothy McVeigh, right? And right after she disappears his execution gets delayed. What did she know about his right wing connections? I think the whole dust-up of Condit, forcing him to resign, was some kind of cover of what Levy knew/discovered about McVey connections. Lot of coinky-dinks in this one that never got scratched at by the media.
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 08:32 PM
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22. I see your point.
And i had never thought of that angle.
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keopeli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 10:38 AM
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13. +1
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Algorem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 10:03 AM
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10. their plan hadnt kicked in yet
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NecklyTyler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 10:09 AM
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11. The Bush Administration never had any "Steam"
They were hot air from the time they stole the election until day President Obama sent them packing. Now if we can just do something about talk radio and Glenn Beck, we would be making progress
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Thor_MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 11:18 AM
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14. Why do we still not know the people shorting airline stocks early Sept, 2001?
Is it really possible to make annonymous stock market transactions?
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 02:54 PM
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20. Ding ding ding ding ding!
Exactly.
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DesertDiamond Donating Member (838 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 11:21 AM
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15. This is exactly why, upon hearing about the planes hitting WTC, said...
"This is a little too convenient." Impossible to think Bushco instigated it? Remember, it wouldn't be the first time attacking our own people was considered as an option to create an excuse to invade another country.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 09:13 PM
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23. My first thought, also, as I watched that 2nd plane hit
Little remembered is that Newsweek hit the stands on 9/10 with a multi page story detailing the various components of the theft of the 2000 election. After the attack, they pulled it from the newstands. I remember getting up very early hoping to see a lot of fallout from the story about the stolen election. When NBC cut to Bryant Gumbel reporting on the first plane and I watched the 2nd fly into the tower I thought, "Isn't that convenient?"
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WillParkinson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 11:51 AM
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17. Steam?
They couldn't even get tepid water.
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 12:52 PM
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19. They were tired of swatting at flies.
Edited on Thu Nov-26-09 12:53 PM by CJCRANE
They were kicking their heels, waiting for the big one to hit so they could go kick up the hornets' nest.
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