Hate crimes against blacks, religious groups rise

[RamboLiberal]

Source: USA Today

The number of hate crimes against blacks and religious groups increased in 2008 over the previous year, the FBI reported Monday.
Hate crimes overall increased by 2%, to 7,783 incidents, according to the report.

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• The number of incidents against blacks increased 8% to 2,876. Crimes against blacks made up 72% of racially motivated crimes in the USA.

• Bias incidents based on religion increased 9%, to 1,519 incidents. The majority of those, two-thirds, were anti-Jewish hate crimes.

• Hate crimes against gays went up by 3% to 1,297 incidents, while the number of people who were victims of hate-crimes based on sexual orientation went up 13%, to 1,706.

•Half of all hate crimes are motivated by race, according to the FBI. One out of every five are driven by religious bias, and one out of every six are based on sexual orientation bias.


Read more: http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-11-23-hate-crimes_N.htm

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Duh - just look at the hatred espoused at Beck or Palin rallies! The hateful looney-tunes out there are being revved up by the likes of Faux, Beck, Limbaugh, Palin, etc.

[Taverner]

1. It's liks a slow motion version of what happened in Rwanda...

[JonQ]

2. A 2% increase, directed at multiple groups is hardly the same thing as a planned genocide

[Taverner]

3. Did you read the "slow motion" part of my sentence?

Maybe I should have said "REALLY slow motion"

[JonQ]

4. Slow motion genocide would require

that we are actually heading toward a genocide, that it would just take longer. We are not. So it is not a "slow motion" Rwanda. No more than a stubbed toe is a slow motion amputation.

[Taverner]

6. If Beck, Palin and Limbaugh get their way, you'd have one

Trust me, they are all a twitter at the idea of killing liberals

[JonQ]

8. You basing your predictions for the US

on the hypothetical beliefs of three entertainers (palin can no longer really be considered a politician)? Um, ok.

I wonder what lindsey lohan would do if she were given absolute power over the US.

[Taverner]

11. Dismiss them at your peril

I know the tenacity of the Fundies, and I know they aren't going anywhere

[RaleighNCDUer]

13. The three of them have a much larger fan base than Linsey Lohan does.

And most of them have guns.

[JonQ]

16. And no correlation has been shown between listening to glenn beck

and committing hate crimes.

[RaleighNCDUer]

18. And there never will be a correlation that would satisfy you.

But I guarantee, those committing hate crimes are NOT watching the Daily Show. They are not being inspired by Big Ed, and they did NOT vote for Obama.

And I also guarantee, Beck knows the demographic he is pitching to.

But go ahead. Make all the exuses you want for him.

[imdjh]

20. So who's inspiring all the black and latino folks to hate on each other?

If anglos are being driven by Beck then surely someone is driving the others. I'd say that Elijah Mohammed and Nation Of Islam might be blamed for some of the black on other violence, but frankly, I doubt that the NOI can be statistically measured in black on other violent crimes.

[paulsby]

48. there is a lot of hispanic on black hate crime

but the FBI only lists hispanic as a victim class. ask any social worker or cop who works areas with large black and hispanic populations. there's a lot of enmity and friction there.

i don't understand it. heck, when i lived in hawaii i was amazed at how much the tongans and the samoans didn't like each other either.

i sincerely doubt many blacks and hispanics are watching beck.

[JonQ]

31. Failing to attribute things to him that cannot be proven

is not the same as defending.

For instance;

RNCDU: glenn beck personally led the holocaust of the jews in the 1940s.

Jonq: no I don't think that's true.

RNCDU: why are you defending him! Why do you hate america!

[RaleighNCDUer]

51. It's not about proof - it's about reasonable extrapolation.

Is there any proof that Rawandan hate radio was responsible for the genocide there? Of course not. But it sure as fuck is a reasonable extrapolation.

Is there any proof that Beck and Limbaugh and their ilk are responsible for the 400% increase of death threats against Obama over ANY other president? Of course not, but...

[JonQ]

53. You made a statement of fact, based on nothing

now, had you said "*I believe* that it might be possible that . . . " then that would be different.

[imdjh]

21. Palin inspires the Muslims in Sweden to attack the Swedes in Malmo. After all, she can almost see it

..... from her house.

[Dreamer Tatum]

37. I like your style, Dude. nt

[paulsby]

47. do you REALLY believe that?

really? all rhetoric aside.

[paulsby]

46. it's kind of like saying

jason alexander is like a slow motion version of usain bolt

not so much

[paulsby]

45. oh yea JUST like rwanda

:eyes:

[LeftishBrit]

54. Awful as it is, I doubt it

Hate crimes are evil and terrifying, and the right-wing media (in the UK it's the tabloids; in the USA it's the talk-shows) undoubtedly has some aggravating role. But usually they do not amount to or lead to genocide.

[beyond cynical]

5. Do black people really commit that many hate crimes?

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2008/offenders.html

A review of available race data reported in 2008 for the 6,927 known hate crime offenders revealed that:

* 61.1 percent were white.
* 20.2 percent were black.
* 5.9 percent were groups made up of individuals of various races (multiple races, group).
* 1.1 percent were Asian/Pacific Islander.
* 0.7 percent were American Indian/Alaskan Native.
* 11.0 percent were unknown. (Based on Table 9.)

[MadMaddie]

7. These statistics prove what I thought

Anyone with dark skin and who does not agree with Sarah and Beck ane their ilk are targets now.

[JonQ]

10. Huh?

No they don't.

[MadMaddie]

27. How are you reading the statistic?

A review of available race data reported in 2008 for the 6,927 known hate crime offenders revealed that:

* 61.1 percent were white (so that would be 61.1. of the 6,927 offenders were white that committed hate crimes) how else are you supposed to read that?
* 20.2 percent were black. (same for this statistic 20.2 % of 6,927 were committed by black)

What am I missing here?

[JonQ]

32. You said:

"Anyone with dark skin and who does not agree with Sarah and Beck ane their ilk are targets now."

There is no mention of political beliefs re sarah/beck and the low numbers would not indicate that "anyone with a dark skin" is a target.

You extrapolated quite a bit from a small data set.

[MadMaddie]

33. Well it did say that since 2008 the incidents have increased

what changed in 2008 would be the question right?

Teabaggers,
Rise in Militias
Beck, Palin, and others who have pushed the "he is not like us" memo...

Perhaps I am reading too much into it but it seems 2008 is the key...

[JonQ]

34. What changes indeed

the collapse of the economy and stock market, take over of congress by democrats, president obama was elected . . .

You've found a correlation and deemed it a correlation.

And somehow I doubt if the trend had dropped that palin/beck would be mentioned at all.

Also if you look at that data about 13% of all hate crimes are committed against jews, way out of proportion to their population (~2%). You may as well say increased rhetoric against israel by the left is responsible. But no one on here would dare say that.

[Igel]

42. But you'd have to see exactly what changed.

If it was an increase in Latino on black or black on black hate crimes (yes, there are such things in the stats) then your hypotheses are untenable.

If they were across the board then you might be right, but then you'd need to find some reasons for the other groups to increase their assaults that wouldn't also affect whites (because if the "some reasons" also affect whites, then you've just made your hypothesis unnecessary and probably overpredicting the incidence of hate crimes).

We'd also need to know more about the numbers. Was there a decline in 2007 from 2006? Does 2008 reverse a secular decline? Or is it part of an increase?

Not really enough info. And that's after looking at the fbi site.

[JonQ]

9. Seems a white person is statistically less likely

to commit hate crimes than a black person in the US (unless all the unknowns turn out to be white). Interesting.

[chollybocker]

14. Huh?

Read it again.

[JonQ]

15. I did

the post I was responding to said that whites make up about 60% of hate crime "offenders", and about 20% of those committing hate crimes are black. As whites are about 70% of the population they are less likely to commit them than would be expected (should be about 70%). Blacks make up around 12% of the population so they are committing more than they should.

[imdjh]

19. Black on brown hate crime is big. Most black on white crime isn't labelled hate crime.

[superconnected]

36. I read the statistics as the majority of crimes were against the blacks.

Not, blacks were committing the hate crimes. I'm not surprised at all that whites are committing the majority of the crimes. I do live in a box though because I would have thought the whites went after gays the most, not blacks. Apparently a lot of areas of the country aren't evolved like I hope mine. I'm accepting that yes, I live in a box.

[imdjh]

40. See that's where the whole thing goes to hell. You left out "hate" before "crimes".

These FBI stats are for official "hate crimes". Those are crimes that third parties agree fit the bill. So some guy targets you because you're Hawaiian and says "take that you chink" but no one but you hears him, it's probably not going in the stats. Just like hate crimes against white gay males, both because they are white and because they are gay don't go in the stats as long as no disinterested party reports hearing epithets, regardless of how far those three guys had to drive out of their neighborhood to find two white gay men to beat to death.

[Igel]

44. They aren't mutually exclusive assertions.

But blacks commit a disproportionate number of the crimes. But most hate crimes are against blacks, and blacks do not commit a large number of those.

The stats are worth looking at if it's not clear. http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2008/index.html

As usual, it's best to look at the original source rather than what's cherry picked and even sometimes predigested by an intermediate presenter.

[paulsby]

49. you just established that they do commit a disproportionate amount

blacks make up 13% of the population, then if they commit 20% of hate crimes, as you say, then yes. they do. very disproportionate to their population. the difference between 13% and 20% is kind of large and stuff

[Odin2005]

12. This is what the Hate Radio jocks and Palin have wrought.

[imdjh]

17. Horsecrap. This is the unintended consequence or deliberate illusion of hate crimes reporting.

They produce worthless stats for a couple of reasons. First off, is that it's only considered a hate crime if it meets certain third party criteria. Secondly, it gives an impression which is the exact opposite in some cases of what has actually happened.

[RaleighNCDUer]

22. ...says a straight white guy. nt

[imdjh]

23. No, says a gay white guy. But since you are so smart, why don't you tell the class what these stats

mean.

[RaleighNCDUer]

29. If your argument is against THESE stats, state your case.

What I read in your post was a dismissal of the concept of hate crimes. So, next time some asshole pounds on you calling you a fucking faggot, be very clear that it is ALL ABOUT YOU, and not about the fact that you are gay. Hate crimes don't exist, after all.

[musicblind]

52. That is clearly NOT at all what he said. But nice strawman

and I'm a gay white male. Since you're so interested.

[JonQ]

35. If the argument is over legal definitions

and statistics does race/gender/orientation matter?

2+2 = 4 for evil white heterosexuals, and for enlightened gay eskimos.

[The Straight Story]

24. Hate crimes based on religion eh? Yet one can find hate of religion plenty on some liberal sites

:)

[La Lioness Priyanka]

26. yeah its exactly the same thing to state your religion is bigoted to setting a synagogue on fire

exactly. the. same.

[Zhade]

50. Hatred of religion isn't hatred of followers. You're not persecuted.

NT!

[imdjh]

25. I wonder if the incidents around Prop 8, the Mormons, and the Tongans were reported as hate crimes.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

28. i just read hate crimes against gays and jewish people have risen in ca.

[imdjh]

39. Too many variables.

One article I read said that anti-gay crime was the specialty of latinos. While that might make sense in southern California, and even happen with sufficient frequency to raise national attention in the stats, I would be surprised if it were true in older communities of American citizens who are latino. If my guess would be true, then what we are seeing in southern California isn't simply latino on gay, it's probably immigrant on gay, or illegal immigrant on gay. By the same token, it's the latino community driving the hate crimes stats on black people. Now when you consider that most latinos are officially white on public records, then how exactly is that stat broken out? Then you have one of the largest segments of interracial crime, black on white, most of which isn't considered a hate crime even though the victim was selected by race. And of course there is the existing and growing in leaps and bounds situation of interracial crimes committed by or on mixed race people, and that's a rat's nest to sort out.

And that is why I don't put much stock in FBI hate crime stats or the whole construct. It's a corrupt construct- the law isn't supposed to send a message about ideas, it's supposed to provide punishment for harmful acts. The whole idea of hate-crime laws was contrived, perhaps by well meaning people but contrived nonetheless.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

43. the idea of intent isnt contrived & random hate is a form of intent

[Posteritatis]

30. The fact that two thirds of the religious ones are against Jews are surprising

I would've figured a large majority these days to be directed at Muslims (or, y'know, people mistaken for Muslims by those dumb enough to go looking for Muslims to bash. Sikhs, Orthodox priests, etc.)

[Behind the Aegis]

38. It shouldn't be surprising.

I am not saying this to be ugly, but this is how it has been for a very long time. What was really surprising was after 9-11, hate crimes against Muslims (thought to be Muslims) jumped almost 400%, yet the number still never surpassed the number of hate crimes against Jews, which also increased after 9-11.

[imdjh]

41. They probably figure it's the Jews' fault the Muslims hate America.

Also, Jews are easier to find. I would bet that most people couldn't tell you where the nearest mosque is, and if they could they couldn't tell you whether it's a real mosque or an NOI mosque.

[LeftishBrit]

55. Horrible

I wonder if the economic crisis is encouraging already-unstable people to find scapegoats. Whatever groups we belong to, we all need to unite against violence and bigotry toward any group.

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