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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-20-09 03:02 AM
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Google previews Chrome open source operating system
Source: BBC

By Jonathan Fildes
Technology reporter, BBC News >


Internet search giant Google has lifted the lid on its operating system, known as Chrome OS.

The free and open source system is initially aimed at low-cost netbooks and does away with many of the features of a traditional program.

All applications are designed to run in a web browser and all the user's data is stored on Google's servers.

Engineers from the firm said the first computers running the system would be available before the end of 2010.



Read more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8369611.stm



Not for me, but those who like this sort of thing may find that this is the sort of thing they like.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-20-09 03:13 AM
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1. PC World has a good article on it
Google's Chrome May Shift the OS Landscape


SNIP...............
Google has a Web-centric view of the world. Much of Google's rivalry with Microsoft revolves around a diametrically opposed vision of how computers should work, and the role that the operating system should play. Google is virtually synonymous with the Web, and it has been a staunch proponent of Web-based applications and services.

Ultimately, the success of the Chrome operating system hinges to some degree on the success of cloud computing, and which cloud wins the competition for cloud dominance. Many applications and services are becoming cloud-based, but Microsoft's Azure cloud leaves room for Windows to co-exist. Its possible that, rather than Chrome altering the OS landscape, Azure could alter cloud computing.

Google won't be fighting only Microsoft, either. In trying to replace the operating system with a Web-centric, cloud-focused alternative, Google will also be stepping on Mac OS X and desktop Linux (even though itself Chrome is built on Linux). Not only that, but trying to shift the paradigm to the cloud also means disrupting the culture of application development. Google will have to convince an entire industry built on developing standalone applications to transition to coding for the cloud.


http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/182558/googles_chrome_may_shift_the_os_landscape.html


I have OSX, Windows and Linux all operating on my iMac
I'm ready to try Chrome too.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-20-09 03:15 AM
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2. Another linux distro?
On my local LUG, we're debating if Linus Torvalds deserves a Nobel.

I'm thinking yes.
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Confusious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-20-09 03:16 AM
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3. I may be a crotchety old fart for saying this

But I don't want any of my stuff on someone elses' server. And I hate running applications through web browsers. Its so damn slow.

Damn kids and their new fangled ideas!
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notesdev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-20-09 04:33 AM
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6. sign me up for crochety old fartdom
I think anyone who leaves their personal data on someone else's server is just asking for trouble, ESPECIALLY when the server is owned by a company notorious for the invasiveness of their data mining.
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-20-09 06:42 AM
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8. Agreed.
Additionally I still want access to my things without an internet connection and if they have server issues (which does happen from time to time).
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-20-09 08:32 AM
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11. right there with ya
I don't want my info stored exclusively on other people's servers.
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-20-09 08:44 AM
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12. Only a little.
Internet speeds will outpace your processor. Just not yet.

Probably sooner than I think, tho'. :D
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-20-09 09:44 AM
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15. Some cloud is ok. All cloud is insane. See: Microsoft Sidekick data loss failure. nt
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-20-09 03:26 AM
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4. Google has a youtube video describing what it is
so you can get an idea on how it works


What is Google Chrome OS?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QRO3gKj3qw&feature=player_embedded
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-20-09 03:37 AM
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5. This OS is aimed at secondary systems such as iPhone type phones and netbooks
Chrome OS is being positioned as a solution for users' secondary machines, offering a speedy, browser-based operating system consisting of Web apps and cloud-based data storage. The focus on speed begins at the top, with boot times currently clocking in at approximately 7 seconds.

Chrome OS will ship only on specific hardware from as-yet unnamed manufacturers with whom Google is partnering for development. As a cloud-based operating system, Chrome OS-based netbooks are planned to forgo traditional hard drives and instead utilize flash memory and remote cloud storage for their data handling needs. Pricing of Chrome OS-based netbooks is yet to be determined, but Google is anticipating that they will be in line with current netbook prices.


http://www.macrumors.com/
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Cleobulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-20-09 06:24 AM
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7. Having an inflexible operating system(tailored for specific hardware) does have advantages...
Edited on Fri Nov-20-09 06:25 AM by Cleobulus
Such as what Chrome OS is for netbooks. For example, the bios doesn't need a built in delay to change bios settings with the press of a key. POST itself will be much faster, no changing hardware means no need to scan for changing hardware connected to the motherboard, like new hardrives, DVD-ROMs, etc. I'm sure that shaves a few milliseconds off of the boot time, but that's strictly hardware, and all netbooks, if designed right, should share this trait.

As far as the OS itself, well, Chrome OS is simply stipped down Linux, Ubuntu distro at that, and someone already shaved down the boot time for Ubuntu to http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/ubuntu-904-boots-in-175-seconds/">7.83 seconds, using a Solid State Drive. SSDs are great for this, because they don't have seek times to search for data like traditional hard drives, for example. Of course, they are more expensive at the moment, and have rather short lives compared to traditional hard drives.

Bear in mind that this is without the streamlining that can take place in a stripped down Linux distro, like Chrome OS. With fixed hardware, Chrome OS needs far less redundancy in drivers for legacy devices, different types of video cards/chips, or sound cards/chips. This alone can greatly speed up boot time.

This is all fine and dandy, indeed this is something you would expect from any OS that is designed to be used on a netbook. However, whatever advantages gained in increasing boot time or streamlining the OS is lost when damn near all applications you run are dependent on your Network speed and the reliability of your connection. Not to mention storage of your files onto a web server. What additional advantage is gained by, for example, in using Google's office apps online versus using Open Office offline? Yes, much less disk space is used, but in this case, its not hugely different, and if you were to use Google Gears(offline applications), then disk space is still used anyways.

Even on the lowliest spec'ed netbook, you would still see a huge difference in the performance of even offline office apps versus using an online one. Less overhead is used in the case of Google's webapps, however, they still have to pull what information they need from the Internet, which, to put it kindly, is slow as molasses versus pulling resources from a local computer hard drive, and even slower than that when pulled from a SSD.

Bear in mind that using a traditional application doesn't prevent you from storing any documents you create remotely, to be accessed anywhere you wish them to be accessed. There are multiple remote storage services out there, some free, some not, that you can use. In addition, you could even set your desktop to be a server for your documents so that not only can you access them anywhere, but they are stored locally(at home), and if you follow proper security guidelines, securely as well.

The one thing I don't understand is the argument that netbooks are, for some reason, much more limited than a traditional desktop, there's no reason for them to be. The biggest limitation they have is hard disk space and overall speed for the latest graphic intensive games. Hell, the latest netbooks have two to four times the memory of my old desktop in many cases, and also their CPUs match its speed, and yet it was able to run full fledged office applications, even the latest versions of such on Windows XP and Linux. As far as video, streaming or otherwise, and music, netbooks more than exceed the specs needed to be able to perform admirably for most people's needs. Hell, current desktops are, to be frank, overkill for most of these needs.

The biggest limiter, as I stated before, is hard disk space, and this gap will shrink over time. Desktop PCs are now in the Terabyte range, while Netbooks are in Gigabyte range. But frankly this isn't nearly as limiting as you think, particularly when coupled with the fact that its not impossible to remote most of your movies and music to a remote storage site of your choice, even on a Windows XP based netbook.

So the question is, what advantage does Chrome OS bring to the table that you cannot get from a more traditional Linux distro or even from Windows or MacOSX? Shaving a few seconds off of boot time doesn't seem to be worth it for more limited functionality that is, to be frank, arbitrary. Even if you were to argue that Chrome OS will perform better on a Netbook than more traditional distros or OSes, this doesn't mean that the ability to control where your data is stored needs to be taken away or what applications you prefer to use.

The interface, in addition, being based on a browser, leaves a lot to be desired, but the one thing I will say is that within probably a week of Chrome OS being released on netbooks, someone will come out with a way to use Chrome's window manager on any Linux system, and probably Windows and MacOSX soon after. Obviously some will like it, others, like me, won't, but that is the glory of open source after all. And, indeed, I expect that there will be competing Linux distros(already out in some cases) that provide all the speed and functionality of Chrome OS without any arbitrary restrictions in local storage or installing applications offline.

I'm not even arguing that Chrome OS will be a bad distro of Linux, indeed, its shaping up to be a decent one, for a small niche of users. The question I have is what problem is it a solution for?
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dusmcj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-20-09 07:27 AM
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10. Zis ist mein VolksOS unt it ken only voerk in ze Googlesphere vere I ken be monitored evvectively
Edited on Fri Nov-20-09 07:28 AM by dusmcj
kinda like the Nazis' Volkshoerer, a radio which only received Party broadcasts.

I'm not bombing the product, just the connotations. The operating system wars are necessary, suck, and don't necessarily produce the right result. (And please no one pipe up about market forces.)
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thesquanderer Donating Member (647 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-20-09 09:22 AM
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14. answering your questions
re: "what advantage does Chrome OS bring to the table that you cannot get from a more traditional Linux distro or even from Windows or MacOSX? ...what problem is it a solution for?"

I see 3 possible advantages... price, ease/support, and "coolness".

Presumably, it will have a price advantage. A good deal of the price of most Netbooks is the price of Windows itself and the hard drive, neither of which this will have. You can get around the "Windows tax" with Linux, but there's still the storage cost issue.

Also, compared to a Linux netbook, the Google Chrome netbook will probably be streamlined at boot up, so as to "hide" the linux from people who would be scared off by it, you'll probably just boot into the browser, with a pre-defined home page for entry into the key apps. So it will be "friendlier" than a linux netbook, and won't engender the same support issues. Linux netbooks are still seen as something just for geeks. Average PC user wants to know "who do I call for help" and there's no Linux help line. But everyone knows how to use a web browser. Psychologically, they may not be making the same commitment to "learning something new". People hear "linux" and get scared, but insulate them from it, and they're fine. (Ask anyone who uses a Tivo or a Garmin GPS.)

Finally, I bet some companies will try to build something Chrome-based with a cool factor. I mean, instead of looking at this as a stripped down linux netbook with no storage, one could also look at it more like an iphone/ipod-touch style web browser, except with a bigger screen and a real keyboard. If someone comes out with a really nice (and really lightweight) design, that can expand the market too.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-20-09 09:46 AM
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16. Apple is building a Massive server farm in North Carolina and is preparing a tablet.
That could be interesting.
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dusmcj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-20-09 07:23 AM
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9. when I was young we had real operating systems
and we liked it that way.

Mostly cause being designed & made in places free from market pressures, they were better than commercial shit. Still are.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-20-09 09:00 AM
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13. More competition, more options for users, it's all good. nt
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