Major Hasan's E-Mail

[humbled_opinion]

Source: abc news

United States Army Major Nidal Hasan told a radical cleric considered by authorities to be an al-Qaeda recruiter, "I can't wait to join you" in the afterlife, according to an American official with top secret access to 18 e-mails exchanged between Hasan and the cleric, Anwar al Awlaki, over a six month period between Dec. 2008 and June 2009

Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/major-hasans-mail-wait-join-afterlife/story?id=9130339

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Interesting that during an investigation that the media should be leaking what could be considered sensitive information. Maybe there are those that are trying to stoke racial tensions in the USA. Very surprised this wasn't top of the blotter on Foxnews.

[Dennis Donovan]

1. "Source: abc news"

It's Fox without the swastikas...;)

[47of74]

2. One problem I see with this article

...Senator Joseph Lieberman, chair of the Senate's Homeland Security committee.

If Harry Reid had any spine that would not be the case.

[951-Riverside]

3. The media suppressed information and mislead people during the Bush administration

I want that to end. What he said in his email has nothing to do with national security and its absurd to suggest that the media suppress information just because it might not be "politically correct".

Would you make the same argument if a fundie neo nazi gunned down people at Fort Hood?

I doubt it.

[snagglepuss]

4. But doesn't leaking such information taint the jury pool?

Furthermore they are holding back information and simply cherry picking the sensational parts. How is that better than what Shrub did?

[FarPoint]

10. I hope the jury pool

gets an earful.

[Ex Lurker]

22. he'll get a court martial, not a civilian trial n/t

[snagglepuss]

24. Gotcha. Thanks. nt

[humbled_opinion]

8. Wow

First of all the facts in this case are under investigation.
It doesn't help anyones case to take emails out of context and report them to gin up some phantoms for the public to express rage over.
Obama himself called for a calm and complete investigation.

So the email has everything to do with national security. There are many good patriotic muslims serving in the Armed Forces now they must watch their backs and worry that people are going to judge them because of Hasan.

This incident may well have nothing to do with Al-Qaida or its affiliates but when tidbits like this are fed to a public that is being stoked by racist comments and fake reports at places like fox news then it is the height of irresponsibility to report on.

[Techn0Girl]

5. It's Disinformation Purposely "leaked" to ABC...

It's like Valarie Plame - only less true.
If the agency didn't want us to know this "fact" then the ABC would be slapped with a court ordered military secrets act forcing their reporter to divulge or go to jail.

This smells of B.S.

[timeforpeace]

6. Someone is apparently fed up with mass murderers being given the benefit of the doubt because of PC.

[stray cat]

7. Transparency or secrecy - can't have it both ways based on your politics

[rasputin1952]

9. I hope his meeting in the afterlife comes after a ridiculously long

prison sentence, preferably in solitary confinement...:grr:

[Liberation Angel]

11. Tin Foil Hat...

and flak jacket for this post...

The more I hear that folks in the military knew how screwed up this guy was, the more I am beginning to think that MAYBE this was more like a LIHOP event designed to make the alleged lone wolf internet activities of Major Hasan consolidate support for more surveillance and intrusive activities of military/intel operatives against ALL Americans and everyone else.

If there were operatives who were watching this guy then "letting him go rogue" might be LIHOP (if not MIHOP).

Sooner or later the fascists will return to power and using whatever new paranoia and fear they can muster to get "legal" (while unconstitutional) authority to act against "possible terrorists" (I.e. any damn human being living) MAY be the reason this guy was not stopped in his tracks MUCH sooner and BEFORE he could do what he allegedly (and apparently) did.

I'm just sayin'...

If some feds (or private intel contractors more likely) KNEW about these emails etc...

Then there were people who KNEW he might go off and do what he did.

Sleeper cells in the military/intel/government may be to blame...

or not

carry on...


(ducking)

[humbled_opinion]

12. Well....

I wouldn't go that far but I totally understand your cynasism. What this basically shows me is that all this monitoring that we are doing is totally useless because it didn't work to stop this from happening. A complete an utter failure of Bush domestic spying policies.

[EFerrari]

15. Imho, it's simpler than that.

Nobody in our screwed up national security matrix gives a flying f#ck about national security. And when you pair that with not giving one of those about mental illness, this is what happens.

As a DUer pointed out, Army psych units aren't there to treat mental illness; they're there to put soldiers back to work. They have very little to do with actual treatment.

This is what disaster capitalism looks like when it hits our military.

[EFerrari]

13. ABC isn't credible on this topic so a pillar of salt is in order.

Remember, they ran that POS "The Path to 9/11" in an attempt to rewrite history? It's your news on Disney. ymmv

[Crzyrussell]

14. Shouldn't we have

had the same concern when people routinely leaked classified information during the bush admin? Consistency make a stronger argument.

[EFerrari]

16. We did. Remember Valerie Plame?

[Crzyrussell]

18. The Plame game was

all politics. Nobody cared when classified info was leaked... even when it leaked and endangered overseas operations. Nobody cared then in fact they were celebrated in some DU circles.

[EFerrari]

20. We still don't know the real intelligence cost of outing Plame.

And no one here celebrated that. You must be thinking of some other, parralel DU.

Enjoy your stay.

[humbled_opinion]

21. The Plame Game?

Never thought about it like that, A game, A game that the Vice President of the USA intentionally with malice outs to the media a covert CIA operative for punishment that her Husband did not toe the administration Line. This severely risked national security for many CIA operatives.

Repukes play harcore games it seems. Your post seemed to infer it was being played as a game from those seeking justice?

Clarify? or maybe you really don't belong here.

[humbled_opinion]

17. Yeah What Classified Info are you referring too?

It seems to me that we raised a pretty strong fight against the outing of CIA agent Valerie Plame? Were there other leaks? Bush ran one of the most secretive administrations in our history hence the Obama platform of Transparency.... or are you new here?

[Crzyrussell]

19. I am not new.

Tons of classified info was leaked during the bush admin when it had the possibility to make him look bad. Eventually it became an accepted practice. Typically it is the everyday workers in the government who don't change with the different administrations that are the leakers. Hence the danger of permitting such behavior.

[humbled_opinion]

23. Thats fresh ... so you

are basically saying that the most secretive administration in the history of the USA had classified information leaked about it but you can't be specific on what and who leaked what.

Don't you realize that there are severe punishments for divulging classified information?

Who did the Bush admin put on trial for such crimes?
Who was hauled before Congress for inquiry into such treasonous claims?

Maybe you have listened a bite too much to Hannity and Limbaugh that you believe the snake oil will actually work...

Give me specifics or shut your pie hole.

[Crzyrussell]

25. It is not necessary to

be rude. I am saying is we should have been consistent in out complaints.

Consistency is key to credibility.

Don't you find it odd that the daily casualty counts in the news from the iraq war ended when obama took over? If it matter least year why doesn't it matter now?

Consistency.

[humbled_opinion]

27. Silly...

Thats easy because Obama campaigned and promised to end the Iraq quagmire, which he as successfully done. Bush was accelerating, Obama decelerating see the difference... see the success. See no need to report casualties because basically they are few to none now. Obama policies have made Iraq a success story.

That is exactly why it is so important for obama to make the right decision on Afghanistan.

[Igel]

26. Oh, Abu Ghraib.

CIA flights for extraordinary rendition. Black ops or alleged black ops.

Memos from various departments--some military, some intelligence, some from other depts.

Torture, enhanced interrogation.

Surveillance programs, such as the one that monitored SWIFT.

The problem is that this was all good, basically useless supporting information that did nothing that make them memorable now, especially for citing them now as bad. It was all stuff that many argued should be public information, even if it compromised investigations (because many considered the investigations to be either pointless or themselves evil, and so maintaining confidentiality was a kind of cover up).

Well, except Plame. And then you have to wonder about Armitage and some other weirdnesses that happened. After all, the "outing" itself was the simple fact that she worked for the CIA, not an especially important one until it was joined with publicly available (lic. through Google) information.

Flip polarities on the leaks, flip polarities for control of the administration, and you get essentially the same rhetoric for just about the same reasons. Except while repubs were up in arms in 2006, dems are more likely to be up in arms in 2009.

[humbled_opinion]

28. Regardless...

The things you sight were whistelblowers and idiots that were reporting things for sport i.e., Abu Ghraib.There is nothing wrong with reporting the governments secretive attempts to monitor its citzenry. We all have a right to know. This business with Hasan is not the same comparison, in fact we can argue that the intrusion of privacy implemented under Bush has failed to work because it did not help to stop Hasan.

Leaking info from the Pentagon like the call for more troops in Iraq is people intentionally playing politics and trying to undermine the President and they should be held accountable.

I can't help it if Bush admin thought they had a case about people leaking info to the press they should have made it and brought people up on charges its not my problem they didn't.

The repukes spying on Americans is not the same as leaking out information during an investigation.