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Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 01:12 PM
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Ohio designs single-drug execution
Source: Toledo Blade

COLUMBUS - Ohio yesterday announced it will become the first state in the nation to switch to a one-drug method of execution, essentially administering a massive barbiturate overdose.

The state also will employ a back-up of injecting drugs directly into a muscle when prison medical technicians can't find useable veins, such as occurred Sept. 15 in the failed execution of Romell Broom.

Broom's execution team struggled unsuccessfully for two hours to insert intravenous shunts into his arms to administer three drugs, prompting Gov. Ted Strickland to take the unprecedented step of stopping an execution.

Read more: http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20091114/NEWS24/911140361



What a proud day for the Buckeye State. Leading the way as always. :eyes:
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 01:17 PM
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1. I saw it in today's LA Times too...
Someone was bound to think of this...

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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 05:55 AM
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27. Maybe a Little Zyklon B in a gas chamber
Would titillate the death penalty advocates in this pest hole

</sarcasm>
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 01:19 PM
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2. sounds like some sadists are running that state.
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quakerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 05:48 PM
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15. How so?
This seems an improvement over the wacky 3 drug system. Isn't what they are changing to essentially what is provided for assisted suicide patients in some states? less drama, less pain, more sensible, if you are going to be killing people anyway?
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 07:52 PM
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17. If I were going to kill myself,
that's how I'd do it. It's painless.
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Auggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 01:21 PM
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3. .
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earcandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 01:26 PM
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4. this is such a primitive ass backwards conversation. executions. give me a break.
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 01:28 PM
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5. Adolf von Baeyer would roll over in his grave.
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leftwing9 Donating Member (37 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 01:37 PM
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6. This is actually a progressive step. Not that I am happy about it.
Like most on here, I am for the complete banning of the death penalty. But the single-drug injection method is an improvement over what we currently have.

The current method of lethal injection involves three drugs: one to anesthetize the victim, one to paralyze him, and one to kill, in that order. Occasionally, the first drug will fail, meaning that the victim actually feels the third drug stopping his heart. Of course, observers notice nothing, because the second drug prevents the victim from moving.

This new method uses a drug that is used in assisted suicides in Europe. In other words, it's probably about the least painful way to go.

I want to reiterate, of course, that I'm against the death penalty. The obviously sensible solution is no more executions of any type. But this move by Ohio represents a small step forward, not backward.
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 02:27 PM
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10. I agree with you - on both parts.
It certainly seems kinder than the 3 step method. (Ugh. Pretty barbaric when you think about it.)


As for the death penalty...if it is wrong to kill another person, then why is killing someone not wrong just because a group of people (judge, jury, manmade "laws") determine it's OK. :shrug:
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 09:46 PM
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20. false premise
it's not wrong (under the law) to kill another person

it's only wrong (iow illegal) if it is not a justifiable or excusable homicide.

you can disagree, as a matter of policy, that the death penalty is justified.

but to say it's illegal to kill another person ignores the reality that it often isn't

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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 12:33 AM
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30. You're confusing the words 'illegal' and 'wrong'
Judicial executions may well be legal, and therefore not murder, but it doesn't neccesarily follow that what's legal is also not wrong.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 10:39 PM
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24. A person I knew once who worked at a prison told me that
the 3-drug thing was so that three people each controlled the "switch-button-whatever" for one drug, and therefore no "one" person killed the inmate.. Kind of like the firing squad..no one knows which bullet actually did the deed.

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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 04:51 PM
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13. If the executee can't move or let them know, how do they know he can feel it?
Curious here.
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leftwing9 Donating Member (37 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 10:16 PM
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22. Read the "Awareness" and "Research" subsections under "Against" in this article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lethal_injection

I'm not a huge fan of quoting Wikipedia, but the citations are not the best.

Basically, doctors cannot perform lethal injections because they violate the hippocratic oath. Therefore, less-trained medical personnel have to inject the sodium thiopental. There is also no consensus on an appropriate dose to administer.

In 2005, researchers at the University of Miami found that the thiopental levels in 43 of 49 execution victims were lower than the amount required for surgery. 21 of 49 had thiopental levels consistent with awareness.

Again, having the death penalty at all is barbaric, but I think Ohio took a step forward here.
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FarCenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 02:10 PM
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7. Can't they just get some Euthasol from the local veterinarian?
pentobarbital sodium and phenytoin sodium

It's the blue juice.
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 02:19 PM
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8. This makes me so proud to be an American!
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laconicsax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 09:36 PM
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18. You and me both!
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 02:22 PM
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9. The more things change the more things stay the same...
Phenol

Snip

Second World War

Injections of phenol have occasionally been used as a means of rapid execution. In particular, phenol was used as a means of extermination by the Nazis before and during the Second World War. Originally used by the Nazis in the 1930s as part of its euthanasia program, phenol, cheap and easy to make and quickly effective, became the injectable toxin of choice through the last days of the War. Although Zyklon-B pellets, invented by Gerhard Lenz were used in the gas chambers to exterminate large groups of people, the Nazis learned that extermination of smaller groups was more economical via injection of each victim one at a time with phenol instead. Phenol injections were given to thousands of people in concentration camps, especially at Auschwitz-Birkenau. Approximately one gram is enough to cause death. Injections were administered by medical doctors, their assistants, or sometimes prisoner doctors; such injections were originally given intravenously, more commonly in the arm, but injection directly into the heart, so as to induce nearly instant death, was later preferred.<13> One of the best known inmates to be executed with carbolic acid injection in Auschwitz was St. Maximilian Kolbe, a Catholic priest who volunteered to undergo three weeks of starvation and dehydration in the place of another inmate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenol

Hell, next they'll be putting rat poison in the last meal...
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 03:07 PM
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11. They must be so proud. They should put that on the welcome sign for when you cross the border into
OH
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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 03:58 PM
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12. Does it come in tablet form?
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irislake Donating Member (967 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 05:23 PM
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14. Wonderful news!
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 07:36 PM
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16. This is wonderful news... Ohio will save $5 on each execution.
Edited on Sat Nov-14-09 07:40 PM by lib2DaBone
What is Ohio doing for Job creation? ... not that they need jobs in Ohio?

Who says politicians are not responsive to the needs of people?

How many bodies have they dug up so far from that guys house in Cleveland... 12... 13? Oh never mind...
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 09:39 PM
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19. I'm against the death penalty
That being said, why not make heroin freely available on death row? :shrug:
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 10:01 PM
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21. I have a much better single-drug idea in mind...
230 grains of copper jacketed lead...

adminstered at 800 feet per second.
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midnight armadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 10:27 PM
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23. But that would be messy
Wouldn't want to upset the onlookers, you know, or make people think the proceedings were somehow less than civilized.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 10:42 PM
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25. Americans do love to kill people
They love crime, violence, and most of all: punishment. Nothing gets authoritarian Americans off more that the notion of killing a "bad guy". The ironic part is that the States with death penalties have a higher rate of violent crime than those without. Doesn't matter though; it works for politicians to please their constituents with killing.
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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 12:30 AM
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26. gives the term 'designer drugs' a new meaning
Edited on Sun Nov-15-09 12:50 AM by tomm2thumbs
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 09:57 PM
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28. Barbaric.
.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 10:59 PM
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29. If you fuck up in japan, they hang you.
getting put to sleep like a dog is pretty painless. Personally I think the worst should be locked in supermax and never see the sun or hear a human voice again. Let them climb the walls.
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 12:41 AM
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31. Hanging, if done right
Is actually as painless and fast as anything else. Snap someone's neck and dislocate it and they're dead instantly. Of course, hanging done badly is long, drawn out and basically strangling someone slowly. Of course, that struggle is the thing people want to see, which is why traditionally the well-connected were able to secure the much more efficient beheading (of course, when that goes wrong, it's really messy)
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