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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 10:37 AM
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UN investigator accuses US of shameful neglect of homeless
Source: Guardian

UN special rapporteur says wealthy US ignoring deepening homeless crisis while pumping billions into bank rescues

A United Nations special investigator who was blocked from visiting the US by the Bush administration has accused the American government of pouring billions of dollars into rescuing banks and big business while treating as "invisible" a deepening homeless crisis.

Raquel Rolnik, the UN special rapporteur for the right to adequate housing, who has just completed a seven-city tour of America, said it was shameful that a country as wealthy as the US was not spending more money on lifting its citizens out of homelessness and substandard, overcrowded housing.

"The housing crisis is invisible for many in the US," she said. "I learned through this visit that real affordable housing and poverty is something that hasn't been dealt with as an issue. Even if we talk about the financial crisis and government stepping in in order to promote economic recovery, there is no such help for the homeless."

She added: "I think those who are suffering the most in this whole situation are the very poor, the low-income population. The burden is disproportionately on them and it's of course disproportionately on African-Americans, on Latinos and immigrant communities, and on Native Americans."


Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/12/un-investigator-us-neglect-homeless
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 10:50 AM
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1. All Too True--No Change Since Bush, Either
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Beavker Donating Member (784 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 11:12 AM
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9. Results of this visit should be a given before it even began
This is the U.S., we don't do what is best for our citizens. It's run by the rich, and always will be. Maybe the U.N. and other civilized and industrialized nations should sanction the U.S. That would be hilarious if we get denounced and sanctioned by others for humanitarian reasons. They should already be doing that for climate and just out and out fraud and greed.

More of the outsiders are starting to realize that the GOP in this country are to blame for a lot of it, and they are basically a radical, if not terrorist organization in principle. Even conservative parties in these countries vote for universal healthcare and higher taxes to help the country they live in as a whole.

But then again, according to the GOPigs, we are right and the rest of the World is wrong.
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 11:00 AM
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2. I'm afraid it's not going to get any better anytime soon either
as more people lose jobs and benefits, it's only going to get worse. The good news is that corporate America isn't eliminating 1/2 million jobs a month any longer. They've cut back to about 1/4 million.
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 11:00 AM
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3. well, at least we let her in the country
maybe with that some change can begin to be addressed. i hope so.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 11:00 AM
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4. I'm sure the UN will donate a hefty amount of funds to help
combat the problem.
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 11:03 AM
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5. the wealth to eradicate the problem is here
just in the hands of the greedy few who could not care less about the suffering of others.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 11:05 AM
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6. Really...
Like who and how much will it take. I think we should use the same argument whenever the UN asks for dues. "You're greedy few already have the money."
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 11:09 AM
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8. did you read the article
or do you just have a knee jerk reaction to anything involving the UN?
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 11:14 AM
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11. I did...
They're against TARP and the stimulus. That money is gone and we need more for the people so I'm sure the UN will soon cut a check. Maybe supply some swine flu vaccine while their at it. An easy solution would be for the US to stop paying over 3B in regular dues to the UN per year.
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 11:18 AM
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14. i'd find it a lot more palatable
if the US stopped making war all over the world and became a peacemaking member of the world.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 11:20 AM
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15. We can do that too...
Withdraw from everywhere. Focus on our own resources. Let the world take care of itself for a while. Maybe we can even get enough swine flu vaccination for own own population that way.
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Butch350 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 11:32 AM
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18. Know what side fence your on. May bad times never visit you.
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Sinti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 12:53 PM
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24. "That money is gone" - don't you find it odd
that the taxpayers gave money to the banks, so the banks "would be willing and/or able" to lend money at interest to businesses that are owned by the taxpayers? Does this actually make logical sense to you saying, "here have my money so you can loan it back to me at interest?"

Of course, now the banks have said NO - but, ha-ha, they still have your money. I swear, it looks like one of those drug deals gone bad, where the guy wants the dope and the dollars so he brings friends and shoots up the place.

I'm not trying to place blame on anyone in particular. We haven't had any investigation yet. I realize that many people get taken in by a con - far be it from me to blame the victims, but who's the confidence man in this game. I think we need to remove him from society, because he is a threat to our existence.

Fraud is a crime for a reason.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 10:25 PM
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31. Maybe returning what they've stolen would do it . . .
more than likely!!
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 05:47 PM
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27. Absolutely. Their paths never cross. They make sure of that. They are invisible to them.
It's also a shame homelessness has been the destination of so many United States war veterans.

There's no one louder and more beligerant claiming such vast support for military people but that never extends to caring for their broken, shattered lives when many of them return far, far worse off than when they left to serve their country.
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katkat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 11:14 AM
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10. UN funds
Maybe the UN would have some funds if the US paid up its very back bills to it.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 11:15 AM
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12. If we need funds...
Why pay the UN in the first place. The days of us being the world police are over.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 11:23 AM
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16. ROFL... Tell that to the people in Iraq and Afganistan..
We are the world police because our politicians *want* us to be, wouldn't have it any other way.

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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 11:27 AM
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17. Hopefully...
Those two conflicts are coming to an end eventually.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 12:27 PM
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23. I'm not a great believer in "hope"..
The military, industrial, Congressional complex (the phrasing in Eisenhower's penultimate draft) has no intention of letting us have peace..

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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 11:17 AM
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13. I Believe that Obama did release the money to the UN
at least, I heard him take credit for doing so...supposedly, we are current.
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JonQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 11:52 AM
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19. Or we could just use this years UN dues
to pay for it.
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denverbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 12:16 PM
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21. Yes, because when I have my home inspected, I expect the inspector to pay for any problems he finds.
So tell me? What is the Republican/Ayn Rand-ian solution to this problem?

Is it:
A) There is no problem. People who are homeless need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and get a fucking job.
B) There might be a tiny number of needy homeless people. Let charities take care of the problem.
C) Tax the homeless, so they'll have an incentive to get homes.
D) Cut taxes for the wealthy so the wealthy can afford to give more to charity.
E) Most people who are homeless are homeless by choice. All they want to do is drink and beg for money. Screw them.

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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 12:19 PM
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22. Then I suppose there is no use for the UN and its peacekeepers ever....
Edited on Thu Nov-12-09 12:27 PM by WriteDown
Although, I here the girls in Africa love them.

Since above 80% of the homeless suffer from a substance abuse problem or mental illness, laws that enabled them to be forcibly removed from the street and put in institutions or rehab facilities would be a first priority.

edited for spelling
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denverbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 02:30 PM
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25. Who'd have thought Writedown would propose a big, govt liberal solution?
Because that's a fine solution. As a matter of fact, that's exactly what we did before the Reagan 'revolution'. But Saint Ronnie found out we were using his hard-earned tax dollars to help drug-addicts and mentally ill people and he put a stop to that shit pronto.

Where, pray-tell, will we be getting the money to pay for the free housing and mental health/substance abuse counseling for that 80%? Colorado had 14,000 homeless people in 2007. For arguments sake, let's say 80% of that would mean 10000 homeless substance abusers and mentally ill. Assuming a low-end number for the cost of keeping someone in a jail or mental institution, let's say it costs only $30,000 per person. That's $300,000,000. Where would you suggest we find that money? And remember, cutting taxes is not an answer. It's why this funding was eliminated in the first place.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 10:14 AM
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34. There is always money....
We waste so much, taking care of our infirm should not be a problem. The real problem is a civil rights issue. Can you pull people from the streets and confine then to drug and mental rehab facilities when they object. I can foresee many legal battles.
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 05:33 PM
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26. I'm sure Cuba could send 10 000 doctors to help the poor
Venezuela could give cheap oil for the poor

yes for the poor in first world most developed nation

:eyes:
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 11:06 AM
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7. I suspect this will get this admin's attention.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 12:01 PM
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20. K&R
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 09:38 PM
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28. ttt
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Jkid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 10:21 PM
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29. The real reason
The homeless don't vote, and even if they did vote it would make any difference. They don't have a lobbist group that stands up to them. That's why the US congressmen only care about the rich.

Get rid of legalize bribery however, and then we'll get some progress.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 10:24 PM
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30. When was the last time we heard Obama, Reid, Pelosi . . . Dems... mention HOMELESS????
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cutlassmama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 12:30 AM
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32. they are a little bit busy right now.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 04:59 PM
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35. Actually, one of the committees got to the miliary homeless the other day . . .
Edited on Fri Nov-13-09 05:00 PM by defendandprotect
imagine that -- our military on food stamps and homeless!!!

GOP's "third world America" -- !!!


PS: People are more important that conducting wars and raising troops to fight them!
They're more important than capitalism and bailouts --
And we need a more "people" oriented government!!

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 12:43 AM
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33. The last time Pelosi mentioned the homeless
she was saying she wished she could have us arrested for being out on the street the way the homeless are arrested.
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