Hasan Felt U.S. Waged "War Against Islam"

[sabra]

Source: CBS News/AP

More Details Emerge on Suspected Fort Hood Gumnan; Former Classmate Remembers Him Railing Against War on Terror

(CBS/ AP) A classmate of the Fort Hood shooting suspect says Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan was an outspoken opponent of the U.S. war on terror and called it a "war against Islam."

Dr. Val Finnell was a classmate of Hasan's at the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md. Both attended a master's in public health program in 2007 and 2008.

Finnell says he got to know Hasan in an environmental health class. At the end of the class, students gave presentations. Finnell says other classmates wrote on subjects such as dry cleaning chemicals and mold in homes, but Hasan's topic was whether the war against terror was "a war against Islam." Finnell described Hasan as a "vociferous opponent" of the terror war.

Finnell says Hasan told classmates he was "a Muslim first and an American second."

Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/11/06/national/main5553466.shtml?tag=stack

[T Wolf]

1. On this, he is correct. nt

[cali]

4. On what? That it's a war against Islam?

No, it's a war for oil, for power and control.

[clear eye]

7. I think T Wolf meant on his being a Muslim first.

At least that's how I read it.

I think he was underlining the aspect of more deaths in the name of religion.

[timeforpeace]

9. In that case, a career in the US Military was a perfect choice.

[wpelb]

32. But what was Hasan?

He wasn't a grunt soldier. Rather, he was a shrink. I don't know what exactly his duties as a psychiatrist were to be, but I guess he really didn't want to go.

[Arctic Dave]

5. Not necessarily against Islam, it does happen to be

the major religion were most of the worlds oil is though. If they were all Wiccans we would be killing Wiccans by the tens of thousands.

[Overseas]

24. Sadly, there has been Christian crusading in the US military that could give the wrong impression.

http://www.harpers.org/archive/2009/05/0082488

Humphrey had been in Samarra for a month, and until that day his stay had been a quiet respite in one of the world’s oldest cities. Not long before, though, there had been a hint of trouble: a briefing in which his squad was warned that any soldier caught desecrating Islamic sites—Samarra is considered a holy city—would fall under “extreme penalty,” a category that can include a general court-martial and prison time. “I heard some guys were vandalizing mosques,” Humphrey says. “Spray-painting ’em with crosses.”

The rest of that Easter was spent under siege. Insurgents held off Bravo Company, which was called in to rescue the men in the compound. Ammunition ran low. A helicopter tried to drop more but missed. As dusk fell, the men prepared four Bradley Fighting Vehicles for a “run and gun” to draw fire away from the compound. Humphrey headed down from the roof to get a briefing. He found his lieutenant, John D. DeGiulio, with a couple of sergeants. They were snickering like schoolboys. They had commissioned the Special Forces interpreter, an Iraqi from Texas, to paint a legend across their Bradley’s armor, in giant red Arabic script.

“What’s it mean?” asked Humphrey.

“Jesus killed Mohammed,” one of the men told him. The soldiers guffawed. JESUS KILLED MOHAMMED was about to cruise into the Iraqi night.

[Xenotime]

27. Agreed.

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[anonymous171]

2. The Elites don't give a shit about religion. It's a war for power. Nothing more. nt

[clear eye]

6. Exactly. And a monopoly on oil and its pipelines is power.

See how they are gearing up to do likewise in Venezuela and Ecuador. Not so many Muslims there.

In his job counseling returnees, he heard so many horror stories about devaluation of Iraqi lives, that it seems he confused cause w/ effect. Perhaps his religion prevented him from feeling he could claim a conscientious objection to this war as some others have done. Or in the death-worshipping atmosphere of an army base, he just grew to hate the soldiers who perpetrated these acts against his co-religionists and came to feel he had to take down some of them before they took down other Muslims. To compound things he even convinced two others to join in.

As if more murder is an answer. Awful, simply awful.

[stray cat]

3. Just like conservatives think Obama is waging a war against them and will lock them up

and others think he wasn't born in the US

[timeforpeace]

10. Quite a stretch to equate conservatives with a crazed murdering religious fanatic.

[Pavulon]

8. What an asshole. Took a MD slot

we paid for. Took an oath to defend his country, then does this. Took an oath as a Medical Doctor, and then his voodoo beliefs are motive to become a mass murder.

He should have just shot himself.

[Behind the Aegis]

11. Agreed!!!!

[martymar64]

21. Well, plenty of American muslims will die in retaliation at the hands of ignorant yahoos.

That oughta make you smile.

[leftynyc]

23. Where the fuck does that come from?

You owe Aegis an apology for that moronic statement. That animal was pissed he had to deploy and instead of taking the gun to his own head, decided to become a mass murderer instead. Are you one of those who thinks we need to try and understand and have sympathy for this maggot? I hope he rots.

[AntiFascist]

34. At some point in our human evolution...

we need to understand the cause of this type of violence. Maybe, as an individual, he was predisposed to violence but on a larger scale there are other factors. You simply can't blame this on someone's religion. Those who don't come to this understanding are the animals.

[boppers]

37. "he was predisposed to violence"... yes.

Then he joined an organized group whose ultimate mission is violence... the military.

On top of it, he joined an organized group who sanctions violence to further their aims... a religion.

Add the two together, and look at 4,000 years of murder.

[leftynyc]

38. Where did I blame his religion?

I frankly don't give a shit about the "why". "Understanding" his motives doesn't concern me at all. Making sure it doesn't happen again does concern me. I hope the military comes down like a ton of bricks on this maggot. This is nothing more than the same old "my G-d's dick is bigger than yours'" - nothing complicated about it and certainly nothing that deserves my sympathy or understanding.

[AntiFascist]

40. No one is talking about sympathy....

you make it sound like we are feeling sorry for him and are defending what he did. That's not the case at all. I'm sure he will face the full consequences of the law, as he should.

The larger issue is how to prevent further acts of domestic terrorism, and in the larger war on terror, how to prevent populations of Muslim groups from becoming further radicalized. My biggest fear is that there are warmongers who live to see these types of acts become an even bigger threat so that they can have the US fully engaged in war on the Middle East.

[Gin]

26. AGREED

[amandabeech]

12. It sounds like this guy should have been separated from the military

at least a year or so ago. It looks like he was giving off plenty of signals for months.

Are we that short of psychiatrists that we could not cut our losses and cut this guy loose?

[depakid]

14. Perhaps- but if anything we need more people with his skills

both in country and here at home.

Still uncertain what he was doing in an MPH program.

[amandabeech]

16. He may have been in the MPH program to avoid going to war.

It may have been a stalling move.

Yes, we need more mental health workers who understand and can treat PTSD.

I wonder if this guy was very effective.

[Turbineguy]

13. A reasonable conclusion if

he watched Fox News.

[rollingrock]

15. His presentation in environmental health class

was about his opposition to the 'war on terror?' what the hell? how the heck did this guy graduate from medical school? it shows you how appalling the education and recruitment standards have become in this country. they will literally recruit and graduate any nutcase they can find who is desperate enough to join them.

[merh]

17. That is exactly the problem

The military is so desperate for soldiers they do not care how damaged they are, they just need bodies to assign to the war zones.

[AlphaCentauri]

18. The classical problem of fundamentalist

they can't separate religion from their secular life

[proteus_lives]

19. What a miserable piece of shit.

"Finnell says Hasan told classmates he was "a Muslim first and an American second."

Fuck you asshole. Not only are you a mass-murdering d-bag, you have completely failed at being an American. You want live an a theocracy where it's legal to beat women to death? Too bad asshole. You get a small concrete box until they stick the needle in.

[Flaneur]

20. Do you feel better now?

[WriteDown]

22. I'll feel better....

when this guy has assumed room temperature.

[Titanothere]

28. I second that

[Blue_Tires]

25. not to sound like an idiot apologist, but i'd like a little verification of this

other classmates, or his instructor, perhaps?

[Sultana]

30. Terrorist!!!

Why join the military of the country you loathe in the first place?

[EFerrari]

33. This man is a citizen and this is his country.

And he joined the military BEFORE the anti-Islamic bigotry was full on.

[Violet_Crumble]

35. Hold on. Weren't you in another thread abusing people who were assigning motives to the murders?

But it's okay for you to start frothing at the mouth the second you read some claim by a classmate which mightn't even be true?

[Sultana]

41. First off, just cause I don't agree with you or others doesn't mean I'm abusing you or them

Secondly, "assigning motives"????, some were trying to justify Hasan's actions. Who hasn't been teased of their, race, religion or sexual orientation etc....???

Thirdly, he committed an act of terror therefore he is a terrorist. (I didn't refer to the quote, what he did speaks louder than anything).

Mm,kthxbai

[Lars39]

31. Remember Rumsfeld's Crusade?

http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:KrZwjNpB4UEJ:www.crikey.com.au/2009/05/18/rumsfelds-iraq-crusade-revealed/+Invasion+of+Iraq+Generals+This+is+a+crusade&cd=9&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

[Socal31]

36. ?????

He really did a lot to stem the fears of the other nut-jobs this country possesses.

(sarcasm)

[24601]

39. Legally impossible - the most it could be is an Authorized Use of

Military Force against Islam.