Report: Orlando high-rise shooting

[derby378]

Source: WPTV

WESH TV, The NBC affiliate in Orlando reports authorities were dispatched to a shooting at a downtown Orlando high-rise Friday morning.

The station says rescue crews were called to the 16 story Gateway Center at 1000 Legion Place around 11:30 a.m.

Dispatchers with the Orlando Fire Department told WESH that multiple victims were reported on the fourth floor. WKMG TV reported at least 8 trauma victims; the extent of their injuries was not known.

Read more: http://www.wptv.com/content/breakingnews/story/Orlando-high-rise-shooting-Gateway-Center-wptv-fl/LwM7pF9bPEGQBMSA5siw5Q.cspx

[Robb]

1. Interstate 4 shut down while police search for shooter

http://www.wesh.com/news/21541263/detail.html

[Lochloosa]

10. That is going to suck. I-4 is bad enough when it's open

[ixion]

68. no doubt...

[Roland99]

72. Tolls have been suspended on the 408 and the 417 to help out.

But anything north-south is going to be a mess today.

[justiceischeap]

2. Companies at this address

http://www.corporationwiki.com/Florida/Orlando/1000-Legion-Pl-Ste-1700-Orlando-FL-32801-a34791.aspx

* Cf Greenway, LLC
* Ckm Corporation of Orlando
* Donlee, LLC
* Freeman Family Ventures, LLC
* Gregory W. Meier, Esq.
* Lake Villa, LLC
* Leasing Company, LLC
* M.O.R.E. Limited Partnership
* M.O.R.E., LLC
* M.O.R.E., LLC
* M.O.R.E., LLC
* New Trading, LLC
* Palmetto Properties LLC
* Psoraya Pharmaceuticals, Ltd.
* Shuffield, Lowman & Wilson, P.A.
* Southern Connector, Ltd.
* Sr-15, Inc.
* Sr-15, Inc.
* Tae Y. Shin, Esq.
* The Abbey of Winter Park, LLC
* W. Charles Shuffield, Esq.
* W. Charles Shuffield, LLC
* William R. Lowman, Jr., Esq.
* Z-92, Inc.
* Z-92, Inc.

[Robb]

3. per WESH feed

Witnesses say former employee came back to the 8th floor office and started shooting.

[Robb]

19. per Orange County Sheriff's Office

Suspect is male, wearing light blue polo shirt and jeans.

[sharesunited]

4. Easy guns and ammo mean people will solve their problems this way.

[villager]

6. And we are heading to a future of more and more such "problems..."

n/t

[unpossibles]

8. add to that the desperation many feel

especially on the right who are ginned up on fear and doomsaying, but everyone really. I do worry we're at a breaking point where people are not going to take the mass layoffs much more. We can't.

[Fire1]

89. THIS guy was fired TWO years ago! Another example of

being forced out under the guise of "poor performance evaluation." The repercussions of being terminated probably reeked havoc in his life and it got to be too much! I'm not mad at him, myself. He probably took out the WRONG people which is unfortunate but you can only push people so far before they go over the edge. I predict similar events will become more frequent. Surprise, surprise, surprise!

[Pavulon]

11. Except in canada and switzerland. you know the real problem

is far more complex. However the shuck and jive response of some new gun law is far easier that fixing issues.

[sharesunited]

41. Hey if those people can handle it, bully for them. We obviously cannot.

[Pavulon]

56. Suggestions? ban them for poor people, minorities?

that is what the ban in the cities do. I promise you if I was forced to move to a city like NY or Chi a lawyer could secure a permit for me to carry in less than 30 days. Just give him 10K and let him figure out what to do with it. Problem solved.

The problem is not "america", it is a complex set of social issues that can be addressed. But that is hard work.

[sharesunited]

67. Whatever the greater problems, convenient means of inflicting death and injury is not the solution.

[Pavulon]

69. So lets clarify that?

what do you propose? and how does it compare to the ban / regulations on cocaine, or oxycontin. Schedule 2 drug, right now someone with no script is getting their fix.

Please elaborate.

[sharesunited]

73. What a big step it would be to control guns and ammo with the same strictness.

Treated as contraband from sea to shining sea. Would be very very helpful.

[Pavulon]

102. Lets make a deal. When you get working drug ban..

feel free to expand it. Until then you have nothing but a pipe dream (filled with banned weed).

[krabigirl]

12. Yep, coupled with a bad economy and wingnuts shouting how people don't deserve ro

health care or public assistance.

[jgraz]

43. Just another day in the wonderful US of NRA.

[951-Riverside]

5. I guess we'll find out that everyone ignored the warning signs ...again.

If someone is acting batshit crazy or making threats just lock them away until they can be treated.

[brooklynite]

7. UPDATE- At Least 8 Shot In Downtown High-Rise

from WESH:

ORLANDO, Fla. -- At least eight people were injured in a mass shooting inside a downtown Orlando high-rise just before noon Friday, according to the Orlando Fire Department.

...snip...

Dispatchers with the Orlando Fire Department said a shooting with multiple victims was reported on the eighth floor.

WESH 2 reporter Gail Paschall-Brown, who is at the scene on the ground, said that 15 employees came out of the building very distraught. Paschall-Brown spoke with one who said that a former employee came into the office who hadn't worked at the company in over a year.

At least six ambulances and dozens of police cars and fire engines have arrived at the scene.

[LiberalEsto]

9. MSNBC reports 1 dead, 7 injured nt

[bluevoter4life]

13. Here in Florida

we have a law that says employees are allowed to keep guns in their car while at the workplace. I'm not saying there is a connection here, but if it is, I knew something like this was going to happen. Employee gets fired, runs to his car, grabs his gun, and starts shooting. Again, I am not jumping to conclusions but I gotta throw that out there.

[Pavulon]

17. So that correlated to murder?

I still dont get this whole unwillingness to address root cause. At some point people will look at these actions and see beyond the gun and try to figure out why people are doing these things.

[bluevoter4life]

23. I agree entirely

I won't turn this into a gun rights discussion (I will save that for the proper forum), so I will end it with this: the fact that gun laws are so lax makes does make it easier to commit these atrocities, whatever the root cause may be.

[Pavulon]

57. Define lax?

Guns are regulated and require a federal check to buy. Murder is illegal.

[depakid]

96. Florida's guns at work law...

and the culture it both reflects and engenders.

'bout as lax as it gets.

[Pavulon]

103. What law exactly. They have dozens. Clarify.

since gun control is the issue of the day, please propose a law that would impact this.

[bluevoter4life]

105. We have two laws that automatically spring to mind

One is a law that allows an individual to carry a gun, in public, at a place "they have a right to be". This is of course restricted in the case of police stations, schools, government buildings, etc, but they can carry a gun into the grocery store, to a city park, a shopping mall, etc. Another law states that a gun owner may keep his gun in his personal vehicle at his place of employment. I'm going to try to find the exact statutes.

Edited to add Florida statutes.


http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0790/SEC053.HTM&Title=-%3E2009-%3ECh0790-%3ESection%20053#0790.053

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0790/SEC251.HTM&Title=-%3E2009-%3ECh0790-%3ESection%20251#0790.251

[Pavulon]

107. So you would pull the CCW (no open carry in fl) law and make securing a weapon

in your property illegal? How does that impact a person who is going on a murder spree 2 years after they were fired?

Did this person have a CCW?

I dont understand the correlation between laws people like me follow and a person who chooses to break the law and go on a murder spree.

[bluevoter4life]

111. We don't know what exactly happened

At this point it is all speculation. Maybe the firing didn't set him off. After it happened 2 years ago, that in of itself is a very weak argument. But, maybe there was some sort of business deal between the gunman and the company that set him over the edge. Maybe the company refused to give him backpay he might have deserved. These are just things I am throwing out there at the moment. It doesn't matter if he had a CCW in this case. But the fact that there were 2 deaths (confirmed) and several wounded tells me that this isn't some cut and dry spree. I think he went in there knowing who he wanted to kill and the rest was collateral damage. The point is that he went in there with a purpose. Why these people? Why this company?

But to answer your question: Pulling the CCW law makes no sense. However, passing a law that allows people to carry a gun in their car while either at work or in a place of business is completely and utterly stupid. I could be wrong. Maybe he obtained the gun by some other means. Maybe this guy had some business with this company recently, didn't get what he wanted, then went out to his car grabbed his gun and started shooting. He did get away in a vehicle so this isn't out of the question.

[Pavulon]

112. Here it is a workers right thing

you cant get fired for having a weapon secured in your car. This is nice for legal gun owners. People who are going to go on a murder spree probably will not benefit from this law.

[bluevoter4life]

115. You are right

But everyone has a breaking a point and a gun simply makes things worse. This guy may have been the nicest person you've ever met, with no prior history of criminal activities. This allowed him to purchase a gun legally. However, someone sent him over the edge and suddenly, this nice guy who never did anything wrong in his life now has a murder rap to his name.

[pitohui]

29. we are a million miles away from figuring out why people do anything

don't wanna sound like bartcop but if you think it's easy to figure out people and their motivations and figure out what they're going to do, you have a controlled environment where you can do it any day of the week and make good money if you're right -- the poker table

i think you will learn instead that, much of the time, you're just kidding yourself that you can get into another person's head and know their mind or what they're thinking or if they're lying -- if you even get good enough to get decent probabilities you'll make good money -- and you'll still be wrong a shocking amt of the time

i don't know what people are suggesting when they say "let's look at the root cause," "let's get people in treatment," but i'm pretty sure that they're suggesting that they or a doctor somewhere can read someone's mind and tell if he's dangerous, which simply isn't true

TRYING to read people's minds and determine who is dangerous used to result in huge numbers of innocent people being locked in mental wards, destroying a life that way is just as terrible as shooting someone, maybe worse because you have not only destroyed their life and taken their freedom but you have discredited them

i don't know what the answer is but running around and locking up every loony who ever left a loony post on the internet will cost this nation billions and do much more harm than good IMHO -- we already lock up too many people and yet the shootings continue

there are no cheap, easy answer and looking at the root cause of crime, which people have done for 2,000 years at least, has never resulted in any type of useful answer

[Pavulon]

51. Outliers vs. core.

so the majority of gun deaths in the US are suicide. That could be reduced by access to real mental care. Now if you are poor you will never get regular access to care until you act.

Many other deaths are driven by drug violence. These are deaths driven by a black market product.

The truly random killings will remain. They happened before the gun existed and will continue when that technology is obsolete.

My immediate suggestion is open access to psychiatric help, not 3 day holds and the boot. Secondly provide a state owned distribution for all recreational drugs. Destroying the motivation for much death.

[sendero]

116. Yeah..

... except this time the guy was fired two years ago.

[myrna minx]

14. Oh no.

:-(

[Bethany Rockafella]

15. This is terrible!

All we can do is hope for a better tomorrow. :(

[LiberalEsto]

16. Now it's 2 dead according to the Sentinel

They're saying the shooter was someone who has worked in the building a year previously.

[question everything]

18. Sigh

When will we realize that people DO kill people with guns?

[Pavulon]

20. Sigh, when will we ask why. Root cause

and prevention work. there is a total ban on coke but, alas, i could still have an 8ball at the door in 30 minutes or less.

It is much easier to look at the gun than the problem.

[gorfle]

49. Everyone already realizes it.

When will we realize that people DO kill people with guns?

Everyone knows that people kill people with guns.

Most people agree, however, that we can't remove the right of the majority to keep and bear arms because of the actions of a few.

Out of the 80 million firearm owners in this country, only around 2% do anything bad with them.

[pitohui]

21. attention seeking copycats or something more?

i've been wondering if there is some tie-in to the upcoming execution of the beltway sniper attacks

of course we are all supposed to pretend to believe that these were not acts of terror, because well bush/cheney didn't want to admit to any more acts of terror occurring on their watch, but i think most of us know better than that

there is something fishy about the history of the texas gunman, w. all our modern record keeping, we can't even figure out if he was in ROTC or not, or when he got his biochem degree (or not), c'mon, what's the story here, it's almost like the guy was a sleeper waiting to get a signal and go off -- this is the us army and they don't have records better than that for a doctor and an officer?

hate to go all tinfoil but my spidey sense is starting to tingle

time will tell i suppose

if there are multiple mass shootings leading up to mohammed's execution i for one am going to get out the reynold's wrap and not just for the thanksgiving turkey

even if some of them do seem like the standard fired nut -- why did he pick up his gun today, a year after being canned???

[nolabear]

22. This is so much to deal with in so short a time. I hope more of these people are captured alive

so we know what they are thinking, how much is coincidence and how much connection, not in the sense of plot or organization, but of one leading to another going over an edge and doing something that doesn't seem so unthinkable once it's been done.

[pitohui]

24. really what did we learn from capturing mohammed and malvo alive?

i don't object to capturing evil-doers alive but it seems like we've had more cover-up than revelation when we have captured people

mohammed won't be executed until nov. 10, he was captured oct. 2002, and seems to me we have learned fuck-all abt what his intentions were, at least fuck-all that was believable

same with tim macveigh, what did we learn from him other than some bullshit? he was gaming the system and making himself a hero in the run-up to his execution, we really didn't learn anything

i don't know what to think any more


i do think if there is a plan/plot/over-arching plan of terror -- and i do think m&m at least deliberately meant to terrorize the d.c. area -- then we are not going to be told the whole truth because it seems to be usa policy to downplay the numbers of terror incidents on usa soil

which is not even necessarily bad, terrorists do feed on publicity

[nashville_brook]

25. hey -- i'm in the building "nextdoor" and the guy is still on the loose -- we're on lockdown

his name is supposedly Javier -- ex employee of more than a year. he's wearing a blue polo shirt, and the whole area is freaking out.

[pitohui]

31. sorry to hear it, stay safe EOM

.

[myrna minx]

54. Hang in there.

I'm glad you're ok. :hug:

[nashville_brook]

66. we're good -- the whole building is locked down. i had slipped out right before the

shit really hit, and decided to come back. there's no traffic moving anywhere near here.

[ShortnFiery]

26. The shooter has an Hispanic sounding name, not an Arabic one.

I wonder how much our whorish media will push that meme? :crazy:

[Roland99]

27. I heard sirens galore when I went walking around at lunch. Figured it was a bad wreck on I-4

Figures I didn't bring my new Sunpass sticker thing with me today. The drive home is gonna SUCK


Hope everyone shot recovers quickly, though!!

[Roland99]

28. Suspect is Jason Rodriguez, former worker. Driving 2002 silver Nissan SUV w/plates: D11 9UX

Born Sept. 28, 1969.



Police rep. not confirming fatalities as families would need to be notified first.

[nashville_brook]

30. do you know what company?

[Roland99]

32. Haven't heard that. Just that it's in the Legions Bldg.

[nashville_brook]

42. here's some pics i took -- i was trying to leave for lunch, and they had a guy at gunpoint

in front of the parking building. so, i decided to go back up to the office... after taking some pics.


this guy is NOT the shooter -- they were stopping people with blue polo shirts.

[Roland99]

45. Glad you're ok over there (and nice view in that 3rd pic)

[nashville_brook]

50. we think it's the 8th or 9th floor, which should be vacant -- but there might be an engineering firm

on part of the 8th -- Smith, Reynolds, Hill

[nashville_brook]

52. i went to the top of the parking garage to get a better view after running into the police situation

[Roland99]

40. Spokeswoman (Police Sgt) didn't mention the company name just now. Not sure why not.

Live feed:

http://www.wesh.com/video/21541407/index.html



edit: She said she didn't know the name of the employer. It's a big building with many tenants. Lawyers, financial firms, etc.

[nashville_brook]

46. we're commercial real estate and we have clients/friends in the building

[Roland99]

53. Hope they're all ok.

[nashville_brook]

55. news confirms it's Smith-Reynolds -- transportation engineering.

[Roland99]

33. My guess is he either shot himself and they haven't found his body or he snuck out w/everyone else

Doubt they'll find him hiding in the building.


*shrug*

[DearAbby]

34. Breaking on MSNBC-shooting in Orlando hi rise

Source: MSNBC

Red banner...1 killed 7 wounded

Read more: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33714834/ns/politics-more_politics

---

Here we go again

[DearAbby]

35. Gunman is not in custody

[DearAbby]

36. Local news station

Source: WPTV

WESH TV, The NBC affiliate in Orlando reports authorities were dispatched to a shooting at a downtown Orlando high-rise Friday morning.

The station says rescue crews were called to the 16 story Gateway Center at 1000 Legion Place around 11:30 a.m.

Dispatchers with the Orlando Fire Department told WESH that multiple victims were reported on the fourth floor. WKMG TV reported at least 8 trauma victims; the extent of their injuries was not known.

Read morehttp://www.wptv.com/content/news/topstories/story/Orlando-high-rise-shooting-Gateway-Center-wptv-fl/LwM7pF9bPEGQBMSA5siw5Q.cspx

[nolabear]

37. Good God...I'm going to go dig a hole and hide for a while.

[ShortnFiery]

44. Having lived through the DC Sniper daze, I'm not worried.

I used to go get gas for my neighbor. I'm of the opinion that when your time comes, it comes. :shrug:

[Why Syzygy]

38. Seven shot in downtown Orlando high-rise

ORLANDO: Seven people were shot at downtown Orlando's Gateway Center at 10000 Legion Place around 11:30 a.m.

According to the Orlando Fire Department spokeswoman Vicky Robles, seven patients were transported to the hospital with gunshot wounds in trauma red condition.

An eighth patient was transported with heart-related issues.

Robles said the shootings happened on the eighth floor.

Orlando police say they're looking for an armed man wearing a light blue polo shirt and jeans.

There were no fatalities at the scene.

The shooter is not in custody.

Interstate 4 has been shut down in both directions near the building.

http://www.nbc-2.com/Global/story.asp?S=11457855

[skeewee08]

39. OK this is getting scary.

all this shooting & killing needs to stop. Now the rethugs will blame this on Obama administration as well.

[Craftsman]

61. One of the cops just said (quote) "it sounds like he went Ali Akbar."

[marshall]

106. I guess that's the new term for "going postal"

Which the post office has long taken umbrage with.

[Judi Lynn]

47. Photo of Jason Rodriguez from The Ledger:

Reports: 2 Dead, Up to 10 Shot at Gateway Center in Orlando
Published: Friday, November 6, 2009 at 12:35 p.m.
Last Modified: Friday, November 6, 2009 at 1:33 p.m.

ORLANDO | Police are looking for a suspect in a shooting of as many as 10 people, including two who have died, in an Orange County office building, according to various news reports.

Police said they think the suspect is former employee Jason Rodriguez, a Hispanic male who is possibly driving a 2002 silver Nissan SUV with Florida tag D119UX.

He is considered armed and dangerous, please said.

He is a light-skinned male wearing a light blue polo shirt and jeans, according to Orange County Sheriff's Office spokesman Jim Solomons.

The shooting happened at 1000 Legion Place in downtown Orlando near the intersection of Ivanhoe and Interstate 4.

There is a huge police response in the area with officers surrounding the Gateway Center building with guns drawn. Officials have said up to 10 people have been injured, with at least eight taken to Orlando Regional Medical Center. The Orlando Sentinel is reporting that two people have died.

Bodies were found on the 12th and 8th floor of Legions Place, a 16-floor building north of Colonial Drive. Only the 12th floor has been cleared, the Orlando Sentinel is reporting.

More:
http://www.theledger.com/article/20091106/NEWS/911069944/1410?Title=Reports-8-Shot-2-Dead-in-Shootings-at-Gateway-Center-in-Orlando

[nadinbrzezinski]

48. Hartman just reported that the gunman is Rodrigez

and that this is a disgruntled employee.

Let me truly reach for that :tinfoilhat: and I am not kidding.

[Divine Discontent]

58. the more people lose their jobs & feel hopeless, the UNSTABLE ones within that group, will be

reaching for their guns.....

[nadinbrzezinski]

59. I am not talking about that

actually... but that is ok.

[Divine Discontent]

76. but, what is more likely the case, though.

of course, if wrong, I'll buy you a coke!

[Flaneur]

60. Was it a Christian shooter?

Or does religious heritage only matter if the shooter is a Muslim?

[nashville_brook]

70. mark ames has a good piece on this on Alternet today -- he wrote a book called "Going Postal"

it's a must-read. he's phenomenal.

[Divine Discontent]

80. people do use history as a tool to explain/predict the cause of current events

just saying.

3000 people were murdered by a group of Muslim terrorists on one day, and by terrorist activities on many days after that. So, when a Muslim shoots up and kills a bunch of people, they'll rush to pointing to that.

[Roland99]

62. Smith & Reynolds is reported to be the firm where the shootings occurred.

from WFTV live feed.

[nashville_brook]

71. there's some talk about the 12th floor as well, which is Carter and Associates.

[Roland99]

63. Tolls on 408 and 417 have been suspended to ease the traffice flow

Good news for me I suppose. But I'd rather see them find this guy and for everyone shot to recover fully and quickly!

[Divine Discontent]

74. that should be permanent! I hate those damn things! ripoffs if you ask me.

[Roland99]

79. I'd settle for timed traffic lights on the major arteries. I've tried I-4 alternates before

took me an hour to get home (north of town) vs. the 20-25 min. on I-4.

[nashville_brook]

82. it's total bullshit! i used to pay $7.50 a day to get to work out in lake mary.

now it's more like $3.50.

is that not like $1000 a year to drive to work 5 days a week? between 800 and 1000. that's quite a large transportation tax.

[Roland99]

84. that's where I commute to downtown from!

:-)

[nashville_brook]

91. i'm way out east, so i had to take the greenway -- expensive!! don't envy your commute down I-4!

[Roland99]

95. It's typically 30 min. "door-to-door". Not too bad considering it's 18 miles.

[nashville_brook]

98. wow! that's not nearly as bad as I would imagine, considering the traffic reports.

[Roland99]

99. Well....I engage in some lane-changing maneuvers at various spots along the way

I-4 has a "personality", if you will.


I *do* use my turn signals, too. :-)

[Roland99]

64. WFTV reporting the 2002 silver Nissan SUV has been found "somewhere in Orange County"

[Roland99]

65. Police questioning his mother (somewhere in the 436 area...which is a big area)

436 runs from the airport all the north to Altamonte Springs and then west toward Apopka.

[Divine Discontent]

75. Rodriguez was an employee of Reynolds, Smith & Hill, a transportation consulting firm.

that's a big area, but I bet he headed that way too. It's not towards Disney.

[Roland99]

78. SUV found in an apt complex at Curry Ford Rd and 436. Hollowbrook Apartments.

[Divine Discontent]

85. good post. important for those within a few miles of that.

so he went east....

so he probably took the 408. too bad they didn't (I assume) know the vehicle in time to tell the workers on the 408/417/528 to be on the lookout for it?)

[Roland99]

88. Probably didn't have that license plate/vehicle info yet. Or he might have taken Colonial.

[Roland99]

83. He was let go MORE than 2 years ago! yikes.

[Divine Discontent]

92. two years!!!!

wonder if he was 'inspired', after all. he obv. was going to snap anyways. too bad these people that do snap dont seek help.

[nashville_brook]

77. going to the country i guess.

[Roland99]

81. Residents of Hollowbrook Apts (436 and Curry Ford Rd) reporting a single gunshot

[Divine Discontent]

86. OH!

[Roland99]

90. WFTV reporting a man in handcuffs at that location.

[Roland99]

87. I-4 has Re-Opened.

[Roland99]

93. Suspect IN CUSTODY. WFTV showed footage of him in cuffs

His mother called the police and told them he was in her apartment.

[Divine Discontent]

97. smart Mother! she's very good hearted. she knew he should be in custody.

[nashville_brook]

94. WESH reports he's caught!!

[maddezmom]

100. Officials: Gunman apprehended after killing 1, injuring 5 others at Orlando office building

Officials: Gunman apprehended after killing 1, injuring 5 others at Orlando office building
By Mike Schneider (CP) – 1 hour ago

ORLANDO, Fla. — Police in Orlando say a gunman has been apprehended after killing one person and injuring five others at a downtown office building where he was let go two years ago.

Police Chief Val Demings says 40-year-old Jason Rodriguez surrendered to police at his mother's home after officers saw him through a window and asked him to come out

link:http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5ilyqSGPzMFOJwu9yDw-XvlK1fnaw

[Xenotime]

101. That's it! I'm fed up with the violence...take the guns away.

[Pavulon]

104. Finish up the drug war first bub..

then once you finish a ban on crack, move on. There is the pesky constitution, but the folks who banned booze actually changed it. You think you position could pull that off?

In other news 500 million people in the US were not shot today.

[2Design]

109. wow you are a gun fundamentalist - obsessed - n/t

[Pavulon]

113. Propose a law that would change this..Please

actually post something that is enforceable that would actually impact gun crime in the US. It is easy to hop up and down on corpses to spread a political agenda, not so easy to actually put something on the table.

[2Design]

114. there isn't a law against fundamentalists n/t

[RamboLiberal]

108. And what if he walked in with a can of gasoline?

Would you be saying ban all the gasoline?

[2Design]

110. well at least this will get casey anthony off the daily news again - that is so annoying

they have sensationalized it over and over

[Blue_Tires]

117. when asked why he did it, he said "They left me to rot..."