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swag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 08:36 AM Original message |
Unemployment in U.S. Jumps to 10.2%, Payrolls Fall by 190,000 |
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mucifer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 08:37 AM Response to Original message |
1. Green jobs program would be nice. |
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Born Free (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 10:09 AM Response to Reply #1 |
46. It's still not good , actually bad for too many people |
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JHB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 10:24 AM Response to Reply #1 |
53. Be careful what you wish for... |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 11:00 AM Response to Reply #1 |
61. Green jobs are not enough to fill this huge gap in |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 12:04 PM Response to Reply #1 |
79. Oh, they're great. For China |
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change_notfinetuning (750 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 08:39 AM Response to Original message |
2. That's a heck of a recovery, Brownie. n/t |
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Crazy Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 08:39 AM Response to Original message |
3. The good news is... |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 09:08 AM Response to Reply #3 |
18. Less Bad is the New Good |
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Crazy Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 09:29 AM Response to Reply #18 |
29. It reminds me of George Orwell's "Animal Farm" |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 10:11 AM Response to Reply #29 |
48. Yes, the government and banksters are "Squealer" ... |
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joeycola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 08:43 AM Response to Original message |
4. oh no! |
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dipsydoodle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 08:45 AM Response to Original message |
5. BBC News link |
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high density (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 08:51 AM Response to Reply #5 |
11. Too early for this song? |
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dipsydoodle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 09:19 AM Response to Reply #11 |
24. Well it sure beats |
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high density (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 08:48 AM Response to Original message |
6. I wonder who J&J thinks will buy their products if nobody has good jobs? |
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Psephos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 08:12 PM Response to Reply #6 |
104. From their point of view, they wonder how they can offer good jobs if nobody buys their products |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 08:49 AM Response to Original message |
7. It had better improve in the next few months... |
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peace frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 09:13 AM Response to Reply #7 |
22. We're already having "problems" |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 09:22 AM Response to Reply #22 |
25. I'm afraid that die if already cast. |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 11:21 AM Response to Reply #25 |
66. People's memories are wicked short - just how well did the economy do on the republican's watch? |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 11:51 AM Response to Reply #66 |
71. There would be little to no difference at this point |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 12:02 PM Response to Reply #71 |
77. Bullshit - and Ron Paul Sucks |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 12:23 PM Response to Reply #77 |
86. No it wouldn't have (and I agree Paul sucks) |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 12:31 PM Response to Reply #86 |
89. No - they wanted GM and Chrysler in liquidation - and the financial industry too |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 01:47 PM Response to Reply #89 |
100. "Fail" and "Liquidation" are not the same thing. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 12:25 PM Response to Reply #77 |
87. Agree on Ron Paul, big time. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 11:56 AM Response to Reply #66 |
73. First, no one here forgot anything. Second, no one knows what unemployment |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 12:05 PM Response to Reply #73 |
80. Obama and the Democratic Congress saved us from a Great Depression |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 12:23 PM Response to Reply #80 |
85. No point arguing with people who pull stuff out of their ears, but |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 12:27 PM Response to Reply #85 |
88. Ron Paul Still Sucks! Adios! |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 11:32 AM Response to Reply #22 |
68. I think we will have trouble, but I also think NJ and VA are not indications, with |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 11:55 AM Response to Reply #68 |
72. Both parties would like to make it "either/or" |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 12:15 PM Response to Reply #72 |
83. A large loss by Corzine could not occur on local issues and Corzine himself? |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 12:40 PM Response to Reply #83 |
90. No |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 01:33 PM Response to Reply #22 |
94. If we could get our reps to act like Dems, we'd be fine. |
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bdamomma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 10:32 AM Response to Reply #7 |
55. next year's elections, the repigs aren't promising to Americans either |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 08:50 AM Response to Original message |
8. These numbers are so bogus it is laughable |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 09:49 AM Response to Reply #8 |
38. yup |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 01:34 PM Response to Reply #8 |
95. Bernie Sanders - if you count part time, benfit-less, and underemployed, |
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TomClash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 08:50 AM Response to Original message |
9. Actually the economy is getting better |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 08:51 AM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Productivity isn't necessarily a good thing |
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TomClash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 09:03 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. It's a prerequisite for job growth |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 09:11 AM Response to Reply #15 |
20. Actually a large bit of this is outsourcing |
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TomClash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 09:23 AM Response to Reply #20 |
26. Where is the evidence that outsourcing is the biggest factor in productivity growth? |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 12:00 PM Response to Reply #26 |
75. There is no such evidence |
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Yavin4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 08:49 PM Response to Reply #75 |
106. How Do You Determine "Domestic" Production? |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 09:23 AM Response to Reply #20 |
27. That's not entirely the case. |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 09:28 AM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Imports went up last quarter |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 09:41 AM Response to Reply #28 |
36. So did exports. So??? |
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Crazy Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 09:31 AM Response to Reply #20 |
31. So a US based company can say... |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 09:34 AM Response to Reply #31 |
34. They will lay off 2000 |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 11:23 AM Response to Reply #34 |
67. I think he knows we're not that stupid. n/t |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 09:04 AM Response to Reply #9 |
16. Increased productivity means fewer people doing more work. |
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TomClash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 09:15 AM Response to Reply #16 |
23. Look at the numbers more closely |
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Abq_Sarah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 10:06 PM Response to Reply #23 |
113. I don't know of anyone |
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PSPS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 09:30 AM Response to Reply #9 |
30. Sadly, it doesn't work that way |
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TomClash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 10:04 AM Response to Reply #30 |
43. See my response above on productivity |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 09:50 AM Response to Reply #9 |
39. LOL |
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TomClash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 10:07 AM Response to Reply #39 |
45. That proves my point nt |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 10:32 AM Response to Reply #45 |
54. Deleted message |
TomClash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 10:41 AM Response to Reply #54 |
57. Nice comment nt |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 12:08 PM Response to Reply #54 |
81. The point is that, when you drop dead from exhaustion your boss will be forced to hire a new worker |
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caseymoz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 09:54 AM Response to Reply #9 |
40. No, it means they're whipping the remaining workers harder |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 10:11 AM Response to Reply #9 |
47. no--- more output from the same or fewer workers |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 10:16 AM Response to Reply #9 |
50. IMO, bullshit. The few people who still have jobs are working their asses off for less pay. |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 12:40 PM Response to Reply #9 |
91. AP: Productivity gains may be bad news for job seekers |
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TomClash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 01:31 PM Response to Reply #91 |
93. Not at all |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 01:36 PM Response to Reply #9 |
96. Bullshit. It means more people are doing two jobs |
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TomClash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 01:44 PM Response to Reply #96 |
99. Read the thread nt |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 08:50 AM Response to Original message |
10. "...the outlook for consumer spending is poor." |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 08:58 AM Response to Original message |
13. Bush did this |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 09:01 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. While arguably true... it didn't sell in NJ or VA. |
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caseymoz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 09:58 AM Response to Reply #14 |
42. If this country elects Republicans, this is going to continue. |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 10:18 AM Response to Reply #42 |
51. While true... it doesn't make for a very effective campaign slogan. |
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LibDemAlways (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 10:50 AM Response to Reply #51 |
60. The repuke who "represents" my Congrressional district is already |
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caseymoz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 11:03 AM Response to Reply #60 |
63. I'd mantra right back at them: how? By the same Repub methods that failed. |
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caseymoz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 11:02 AM Response to Reply #51 |
62. Then why has the economy consistently done so well under Democratic Presidents? |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 11:14 AM Response to Reply #62 |
65. Sorry... while appeaking that doesn't make sense. |
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caseymoz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 08:54 PM Response to Reply #65 |
108. On the first, you might have a good point, but you're wrong about the second. |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 01:37 PM Response to Reply #51 |
97. How about, "vote out repukes and Dems who mimic them" |
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bdamomma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 10:38 AM Response to Reply #42 |
56. if this country elects republicans there is only one word for that |
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Psephos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 08:53 PM Response to Reply #13 |
107. But Obama hasn't fixed it...or even slowed it down. |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 09:06 AM Response to Original message |
17. Anybody Surprised by This? Anyone? Beuller? |
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INdemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 09:08 AM Response to Original message |
19. You know somehow I dont believe these numbers and here's why |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 09:12 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. This is the dumbest thing I have read on DU in a while |
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caseymoz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 10:20 AM Response to Reply #19 |
52. There are problems with what you say. |
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ej510 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 09:32 AM Response to Original message |
32. We know the unemployment total is closer 20% than it is |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 09:32 AM Response to Original message |
33. Can "jobless recovery" now be added to the list? |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 09:40 AM Response to Original message |
35. The higher this goes, the more seats Democrats will loose in Congress. |
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bdamomma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 10:41 AM Response to Reply #35 |
58. republicans offer no resolutions to the problems that they created. |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 10:45 AM Response to Reply #58 |
59. it's not their problem now |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 02:25 PM Response to Reply #59 |
101. Yes and no |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 11:58 AM Response to Reply #58 |
74. Republicans arn't in charge. Once Democrats took the reigns of two of |
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caseymoz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 09:45 AM Response to Original message |
37. They're getting the economy to grow by cashing out jobs. |
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Orwellian_Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 09:55 AM Response to Original message |
41. This is being discussed over in GD where |
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neverforget (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 11:05 AM Response to Reply #41 |
64. only good news is allowed now. Clap harder! |
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blue_onyx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 11:32 AM Response to Reply #64 |
69. Yes, some like to ignore bad news |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 11:47 AM Response to Reply #41 |
70. .... |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 12:03 PM Response to Reply #41 |
78. It is easier to, as Scarlet O'Hara said, "think about it tomorrow." |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 10:05 AM Response to Original message |
44. so can we stop the h-1b visas now? nt |
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Psephos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 08:14 PM Response to Reply #44 |
105. Revoke every last one of them from this year's quota, and it adds up to... |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 08:56 PM Response to Reply #105 |
109. IT'S A FUCKIN JOB! nt |
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DemReadingDU (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 10:15 AM Response to Original message |
49. Are people with extended benefit counted in U3 or U6 rate? |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 01:37 PM Response to Reply #49 |
98. I am unsure whether the benefits extension has an effect on the U status |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 12:00 PM Response to Original message |
76. But the newsman just said holiday sales will be good because people aren't afraid to spend anymore |
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KillCapitalism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 12:10 PM Response to Original message |
82. We're going to hit 1933 unemployment levels. |
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robcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 12:16 PM Response to Original message |
84. The recession may be over. |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 01:30 PM Response to Reply #84 |
92. Actually it goes farther than that. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 02:40 PM Response to Original message |
102. Half measures in the stimulus are coming home to roost |
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murdoch (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 07:52 PM Response to Original message |
103. Karl Marx said |
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Prometheus Bound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 09:28 PM Response to Original message |
110. Wall Street Journal: Real unemployement rate is 16% |
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Prometheus Bound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 09:30 PM Response to Reply #110 |
111. Real US unemployment rate at 16 pct: Fed official |
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Prometheus Bound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 09:32 PM Response to Reply #111 |
112. March 09: The real unemployment rate? Try 15.6% |
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