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canetoad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 02:03 AM Original message |
Polygamist convicted of abusing 16-year-old 'spiritual wife' |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 02:08 AM Response to Original message |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 02:31 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. America is a brutal uncivilized country. it's no wonder we kill civilians all over the world. |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 03:17 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. I don't agree |
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winyanstaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 05:48 AM Response to Reply #3 |
8. I dispise a child rapist and think they should never ever be released.. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 03:20 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. I agree with your opinion ~ |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 06:40 AM Response to Reply #2 |
10. Everybody has their kinks. |
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marshall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 08:16 AM Response to Reply #2 |
11. I'll see your opinion about America, and raise it to an opinion about the entire world |
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marshall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 10:37 AM Response to Reply #2 |
101. It's not just an American thing |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 03:47 AM Response to Original message |
5. Eleven more trials to go. I wonder how many children and women |
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harmonicon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 06:36 AM Response to Reply #5 |
9. "wives" isn't even the word for it |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 10:27 AM Response to Reply #9 |
29. You're right of course. People who can be "reassigned" are slaves. n/t |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 11:07 AM Response to Reply #29 |
38. Then that would be true of any culture which has arranged marriage. |
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harmonicon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 11:16 AM Response to Reply #38 |
41. not in the least |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 11:19 AM Response to Reply #41 |
45. I'm aware of the scenario, and see it only as a difference of degree. |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 02:45 PM Response to Reply #45 |
69. So do you think this is ok |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 03:36 PM Response to Reply #69 |
79. Define OK. Do I approve of what the Amish do to children? No. Do I accept that the constitution.. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 08:03 PM Response to Reply #38 |
88. In most cultures with arranged marriages, both members of the couple can decline. |
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Hubert Flottz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 05:39 AM Response to Original message |
6. "Family Values" strikes again! |
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Xenotime (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 09:25 AM Response to Reply #6 |
24. Exactly! What will those fundies think of next..? |
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keroro gunsou (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 02:42 PM Response to Reply #6 |
68. . . . . |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 05:46 AM Response to Original message |
7. About damned time (no pun intended). |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 09:18 AM Response to Original message |
12. Texas polygamist sect member found guilty of sexual assault |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 09:18 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Some Disgusting Evidence from the Trial: |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 09:18 AM Response to Reply #13 |
17. Is Mr Jeff being prosecuted? |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 09:18 AM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Not sure....but that is a good question. n/t |
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scarletlib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 07:06 AM Response to Reply #17 |
97. He, Warren Jeffs, is already in prison as an accomplice to the forced marriage |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 09:18 AM Response to Reply #13 |
19. It's disgusting that they wouldn't take her to the hospital... |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 10:21 AM Response to Reply #19 |
28. That's typical of persecuted groups. Slaves in the underground RR weren't taken to hospitals either |
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enlightenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 11:54 AM Response to Reply #19 |
47. Not really. |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 01:05 PM Response to Reply #13 |
59. Letting that girl continue with a painful 3-day labor is unbelievably cruel, |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 09:18 AM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Good. May he rot in a jail cell! |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 09:18 AM Response to Reply #14 |
16. That works for me.... |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 09:18 AM Response to Reply #14 |
20. It would have been legal for him to be married to her, had she been his only wife. |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 09:18 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. As much as I despise Mormons right now, there isn't enough info in the article to decide the case. |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 09:18 AM Response to Reply #15 |
21. Mr Jeff's remarks cited in post #1 make it clear that the sect knew the state would not sanction .. |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 09:21 AM Response to Reply #21 |
22. That's the point. The conviction is an abuse of the law for political purposes. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 10:33 AM Response to Reply #22 |
31. No state in the country recognizes a plural marriage. So your argument about |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 10:57 AM Response to Reply #31 |
34. That doesn't make it right. |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 11:01 AM Response to Reply #34 |
36. You have a strange definition of genocide. |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 12:07 PM Response to Reply #36 |
49. Mine is the legal definition of Genocide. |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 12:17 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. So by your definition, locking up the entire Westboro Baptist Church would be a genocide? |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 12:30 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. If it is intended to destroy the group in whole or in part. Then yes it is. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 12:21 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Minus the relevant analysis of... |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 12:37 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. They only need to show intent to destroy in whole or in part. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 12:51 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. Intent and motive are legally different terms. |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 01:19 PM Response to Reply #56 |
63. The law only states intent. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 01:22 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. proven within the confine of the court-- yes. |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 02:15 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. The UN determines the meaning in International Law. I'm citing US Code. |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 06:40 PM Response to Reply #34 |
85. Bringing down the Mob: Genocide? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 12:10 AM Response to Reply #34 |
89. The children were removed from the home only until child abuse investigations |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 10:59 AM Response to Reply #31 |
35. So that means that justice was done here? |
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maglatinavi (614 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 11:09 AM Response to Reply #22 |
40. imdjh |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 11:20 AM Response to Reply #40 |
46. I prefer to think of myself as objective. |
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Raksha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 02:19 AM Response to Reply #46 |
94. I prefer to think of you as a Mormon with an agenda. |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 02:53 PM Response to Reply #22 |
70. To be fair, the consent the girl and her parents was extracted under duress |
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mbperrin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 09:31 AM Response to Reply #15 |
25. It is unlawful to have sex with anyone under the age of 17 in Texas, unless |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 10:15 AM Response to Reply #25 |
27. Texas didn't have a problem in the world with 50 year old men having sex with 14 y/o girls. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 10:37 AM Response to Reply #27 |
32. Their religion sanctified preying on children. The state had a responsibility |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 10:47 AM Response to Reply #32 |
33. Not by the biblical standards of any religion. Except maybe Baha'i. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 07:58 PM Response to Reply #33 |
86. That's not true. The Catholic Church, for example, discourages full Confirmation |
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smaneck (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 10:00 AM Response to Reply #33 |
100. Baha'i beliefs |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 11:05 AM Response to Reply #32 |
37. The age of 14 in western culture stems from Mary being 14 at the time she got pregnant. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-07-09 08:01 PM Response to Reply #37 |
87. It hasn't been socially acceptable in most areas of the U.S. for decades, at least. |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 12:31 AM Response to Reply #87 |
90. Vatican State age of consent is 12 |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 01:43 AM Response to Reply #90 |
91. The Vatican State age of consent is irrelevant to the vast majority of Catholics |
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Retrograde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 02:09 AM Response to Reply #91 |
92. At least in NYS, you need a valid state marriage license to get married in a Catholic church |
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Retrograde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 02:12 AM Response to Reply #90 |
93. Um, how many female Vatican City residents are there anyway? |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 03:16 AM Response to Reply #93 |
95. Female? Huh? I thought we were talking about age of sexual consent. |
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mbperrin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 11:18 AM Response to Reply #27 |
44. The FLDS is a hate group. They are not a religion. They lied when they |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 12:01 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. Actually they are more of a religion than the, ahem, "mainstream" Mormon Church. |
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mbperrin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 12:37 PM Response to Reply #48 |
53. Oh, I see now. You're still entangled in beliefs like some old guy in a white robe |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 12:57 PM Response to Reply #53 |
57. Obviously the Torah is not your book. |
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mbperrin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 01:18 PM Response to Reply #57 |
62. Ah, the old power grows from the end of a gun. |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 01:34 PM Response to Reply #62 |
65. Only if you wish to reduce it to pure physics. |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 03:17 PM Response to Reply #65 |
76. Oh, Albert... |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 05:42 PM Response to Reply #76 |
80. I share some of Einsteins beliefs about God. Except I have found the simplest way to put it. |
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mbperrin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 03:36 PM Response to Reply #65 |
78. Well, as my daddy says, no fool like an old fool. |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 05:52 PM Response to Reply #78 |
81. Jeff's believes pure blood doctrine. That's a load of crap as far I'm concerned. |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 03:09 PM Response to Reply #57 |
74. I'm not one to do this usually |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 05:57 PM Response to Reply #48 |
98. Wow, you don't know much about LDS, then. |
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Cal Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 09:35 AM Response to Reply #15 |
26. Not if he's already got (allegedly) 8 oither wives though, right? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 10:31 AM Response to Reply #15 |
30. The jury that DID decide the case had access to the facts that we don't. |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 01:11 PM Response to Reply #15 |
60. This sect is no more Mormon than David Koresh & Co. were Seventh-day Adventists. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 09:24 AM Response to Original message |
23. And I recall that just after the raid on the YfZ compound... |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 11:07 AM Response to Reply #23 |
39. Might want to dust off your ignore button... |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 11:17 AM Response to Reply #39 |
42. Yes, I saw a goodly amount of IGNORE on this thread. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 11:18 AM Response to Reply #39 |
43. I kinda noticed... |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 12:40 PM Response to Reply #23 |
55. I was one of them. I still hold that belief. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 01:01 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. Actually.... self delete |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 01:13 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. Now there's something we can agree on. |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 03:19 PM Response to Reply #55 |
77. Ok, it's genocide according to your reading of the law. |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 06:01 PM Response to Reply #77 |
82. No it's not. Actually this is the first time in this long running debate I haven't called it |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 06:11 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. "You obviously wouldn't have had a problem any of Germany's uses of Genocide." |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 06:27 PM Response to Reply #23 |
84. Where the devil did the mods put the banhammer? |
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mamaleah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 02:18 PM Response to Original message |
67. Gee, shouldn't Polanski supporters be cool with this guy? |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 02:56 PM Response to Reply #67 |
72. We'll have to wait to see if the victim in this case is likewise a prostitute |
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mamaleah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 03:11 PM Response to Reply #72 |
75. Yeah where are the big get togethers of Hollywood types to support this man? |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 02:54 PM Response to Original message |
71. I think it would be premature and unfair to blame his religion for this |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 03:03 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. His religion does endorse this behavior. I suspect you are confusing LDS with FLDS. nt |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 05:56 AM Response to Reply #73 |
96. I'm thinking a sarcasm tag was missed. |
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wordpix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-08-09 09:11 PM Response to Original message |
99. "massive homes and a towering temple" - where does this sect get the $$ for this? |
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