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cosmicone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 10:47 PM
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Dugard a victim of Stockholm syndrome?
Source: SF Chron

SACRAMENTO -- Far from being relieved when her alleged kidnapper Phillip Craig Garrido was on the verge of arrest, Jaycee Dugard told authorities he was "a changed man" who was "good with her kids" and angrily asked why she was being questioned, according to a state report released Wednesday.

The report by the state inspector general, largely devoted to spelling out missteps by parole agents assigned to monitor Garrido, shows that after 18 years in captivity, Dugard exhibited indications of Stockholm syndrome - the phenomenon in which some victims come to identify with their captors.

The questioning took place Aug. 26 at a state parole office in Concord, a day after Garrido had aroused UC Berkeley officers' suspicions when he showed up on campus with two girls, ages 15 and 11 - whom authorities now believe he fathered by Dugard.

Dugard, 29, identified herself as Alyssa, the girls' mother, and laughed off a parole agent's comment that she looked too young to have children that old, the report said.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/11/04/BAG21AFCD6.DTL#ixzz0VxAPRtL8


Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/11/04/BAG21AFCD6.DTL



That poor girl :(
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 12:21 AM
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1. It's amazing what the mind does to protect us and insure
our survival.
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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 12:31 AM
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2. she adapted
to survive.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 12:06 PM
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10. she adapted to put her OWN CHILDREN at risk
i realize that she's mentally ill as a result of what happened to her, but how is this any different from what happened to patty hearst and hearst still had to do time for her involvement in a mere bank robbery

this woman put her OWN BABIES at risk by not speaking up years ago, she's fucking 29 and had lots of documented chances to get her kids out of there

yes, i realize she had a disease, and stockholm syndrome is as good a name for it as any, but the fact remains she PARTICIPATED in a crime against her own children, and i'm not sure that a selfish desire for survival at all costs and fuck the children is a particularly honorable excuse

garrido's wife is being charged for her part, i'm not sure why dugard isn't being charged for her part in the imprisonment of her own minor children

the law does not seem to be applied the same, some victims of stockholm syndrome get charged as fucking terrorists while others, even though they put their own children at risk, are somehow excused????

if the women were brainwashed, why is garrido's wife being charged??? i don't doubt for a minute that she was tortured and brainwashed too -- do you think she ENJOYED having her husband keep younger women/girls in her own fucking backyard?

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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 03:09 PM
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15. Because she's 29 on the outside & 11 y.o. on the inside. That's when she was taken, raped, enslaved
Edited on Thu Nov-05-09 03:10 PM by Hekate
... and ultimately impregnated, hidden away from anything resembling a normal life. How was she supposed to develop a normal sense of personal right and wrong? For all she knew this was the world -- what was there to escape to? She's the victim here -- no way is she responsible for not escaping. And this *hole killed the little girl(s) before her.

As for responsibility -- Garrido's wife was a full adult when all this occurred. She's had plenty of opportunity to develop her personality and to choose where she wanted to be. Damn right she should be charged as a criminal.

Not so hard:
Here's the Perps
Here's the Victims

edited to add: See post #8

Hekate

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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 01:27 AM
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3. This would not surprise me at all
He was effectively her parent for years. Her rapist, yes, but her parent also.

She is not an objective party in this case.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 01:42 AM
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4. It's something I don't understand
but it has played out over and over - bonding with the person who is doing you harm.

I'm old and set in my ways but for a young child with an impressionable and easily manipulated psyche that need to form a bond, a connection with whoever it is that is providing the food, the clothing, the housing (as rudimentary as it may be) could very well be hardwired as part of some survival mechanism.

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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 05:48 AM
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5. About those missteps by parole agents:
Probe: State missed chances to rescue Dugard

Sacramento -- State parole agents fell down on the job again and again during the 10 years they supervised sex offender Phillip Craig Garrido, failing to check out clues that could have led to alleged kidnap victim Jaycee Dugard and going long stretches without monitoring him at all, a state investigation found Wednesday.

From 1999 until he was finally arrested in August, Garrido, 58, was supposed to be subject to regular visits and other checks by the state Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation. Parole authorities have always insisted they had no evidence Garrido ever violated the conditions placed on him by Nevada, where he was convicted of kidnapping and raping a woman in 1976.

However, an investigation led by state Inspector General David Shaw found that agents simply ignored several potential violations. And from the start, he said, they erroneously classified Garrido as a low-risk offender - meaning he was subject to less stringent supervision - then failed to take basic steps such as making regular visits and testing him for drugs.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/11/04/MN1D1AF71I.DTL
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 08:02 AM
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6. It would be surprising if she didn't. She was enslaved, and she survived. Now her world is ...
... upside down for the second time in her young life (she's not yet 30). Her life going forward is not going to be easy by any means.

Hekate
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 10:15 AM
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7. No one has pointed out that the man is the father of her
children.

What a horrible, horrible situation for Dugard--and for her two children!!!
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 10:46 AM
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8. The most devastating and true remark I've heard in working with abused kids:
Edited on Thu Nov-05-09 10:53 AM by woo me with science
I was in a meeting with the new foster parents and the attorney of a child who had been abused, both physically and sexually, by her mother and stepfather.

Her foster parents, after hearing just pieces of what they had done to her, were astounded that she still loved them and was having such a hard time with the separation.

Her lawyer said simply, "Who else was she going to love?"
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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 11:48 AM
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9. I read a story in the paper once
A young boy was in the ER for cigarette burns all over his body. He was sobbing hysterically for his mom even though she was the one who had done this to him (and was sitting in jail at the time). The social worker who was relating the story said that young children will endure absolutely heartbreaking abuse and still "love" their parent.

I would imagine Jaycee Dugard did come to bond with her captor in a twisted way as he was the only one offering any sort of relationship which young children desperately crave and need. As twisted as that relationship was, clearly she figured out how to survive within it, and to create some kind of happiness for herself.

I can't even begin to imagine how she unwinds that kind of emotional knot in her head.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 12:11 PM
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11. yeah well when she wished the same for her own children is where she loses me
there are two minor children involved in the case, that dugard couldn't be arsed to lift one finger to save or school or protect from this man

her bond with this man made her a sociopath from what i can see

is the only value in life survival? or is there some value in wanting to protect one's children, even if it might involve getting out of one's comfort zone? if the only value in life is survival, then i suppose dugard has done v. well and will eventually profit nicely from not bothering to get her own babies out of that situation

i'll be frank, she disgusts me, she could have gotten free a long time ago and saying "well she survived" so fucking what, she had a duty to do more than survive, there were children involved here


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Doremus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 12:57 PM
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13. It's mental illness, no different than a physical illness such as cancer.
And I hope that if/when you or anyone you love is similarly inflicted that you show a little more compassion for them than you are this innocent girl who's had her sanity and life literally stolen from her.
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 01:18 PM
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14. is there evidence these kids suffered abuse? because a sf'd up as it is he was their Dad
and it;s no where beyond the pale, as you suggest , that she would stay in that situation. it seems he forced them into a situation where they became his family. i can;t believe anyone here would blame that poor girl.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 12:56 PM
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12. Does anyone know where the children were born?
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