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majamay (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 08:04 PM Original message |
Gay leaders blame TV ads, Obama for loss in Maine |
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Thrill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 08:08 PM Response to Original message |
1. Obama blamed for something else |
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FreeState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 08:26 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. He was asked to help and he did not n/t |
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Thrill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 10:28 PM Response to Reply #7 |
31. So when he helps like in California. He didn't do enough. Its his fault |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 10:48 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. everything is his fault |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 06:34 AM Response to Reply #32 |
66. Exact same kind of post the Bushies made a few years ago when their man got criticized. |
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primavera (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 09:58 AM Response to Reply #32 |
103. If he didn't want the job, he shouldn't have applied for it |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 01:13 AM Response to Reply #31 |
44. Who did he help in California? |
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Thrill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 09:00 AM Response to Reply #44 |
52. Here you go |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 01:46 PM Response to Reply #52 |
59. And that didn't help the Prop 8 team how? |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 06:29 AM Response to Reply #52 |
65. When the POTUS says he does not believe in gay marriage, that does not help a bill about gay mar- |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 06:21 AM Response to Reply #31 |
64. How is saying "I don't believe in gay marriage" helping a law about gay marriage again? |
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butterfly77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 09:51 AM Response to Reply #7 |
102. Why should he help... |
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mrbarber (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 08:38 PM Response to Reply #1 |
10. ....he didn't offer any support to the GLBT community. so yeah.. |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 09:42 PM Response to Reply #1 |
22. It's going to rain tomorrow |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 06:38 AM Response to Reply #1 |
51. Hey, at least he was honest and upfront about it |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 06:46 AM Response to Reply #51 |
67. I'd say civil rights for gays are not at the top of his list. So far, he has not come out against |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 11:43 AM Response to Reply #1 |
57. Kind of comes with being the president |
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TriMetFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 10:52 AM Response to Reply #1 |
105. Obama is our leader. |
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Mari333 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 08:12 PM Response to Original message |
2. lets be honest. Obama has made it quite clear he is against the CIVIL RIGHTS of gay people to marry |
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Thrill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 10:22 PM Response to Reply #2 |
30. He's a marxist, facist, socialist, communist, elitist, muslim, and now a bigot? |
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Mari333 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 09:13 AM Response to Reply #30 |
54. I do believe that many people have been taught bigotry about gay folks for centuries |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 07:11 AM Response to Reply #30 |
70. Please see Reply 66. And trying to make the POTUS out to be just a hapless |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 07:04 AM Response to Reply #2 |
68. And? Please see Reply 67. |
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high density (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 08:14 PM Response to Original message |
3. Since when has Obama endorsed gay marriage? |
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majamay (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 08:16 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. That's a good point |
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tblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 08:25 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. A little moral leadership would not have been out of line here. nt |
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FreeState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 08:25 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Obama has come out against these types of initiatives in the past (Prop 8 for example) n.t |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 01:16 AM Response to Reply #6 |
45. Yeah, he really came out against Prop 8 by endorsing their position. |
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FreeState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 03:29 AM Response to Reply #45 |
47. Letter from Barack Obama went unused by 'No On Prop 8' campaign |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 01:52 PM Response to Reply #47 |
60. He has a funny way of showing his support. |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 05:32 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. The ferocity is enough to make one tremble, isn't it? n/t |
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Bodhi BloodWave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 07:34 AM Response to Reply #60 |
72. when did he go on tv and endorse prop 8 |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 07:57 AM Response to Reply #72 |
80. Delete. Dupe. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 07:59 AM Response to Reply #72 |
81. Lame. He said he was against gays marrying. What difference does it make what date he said it or |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 01:26 PM Response to Reply #72 |
111. MTV interview November 2nd or 3rd. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 08:54 AM Response to Reply #47 |
89. What's your point? |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 07:46 AM Response to Reply #6 |
76. Yes, he came out against gay marriage consistently (so far). What's your point? |
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PSzymeczek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 08:31 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. Me, too. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 07:50 AM Response to Reply #8 |
77. Nonsense. In every state that allows gay marriage, all the heteros are now divorced. |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 11:45 AM Response to Reply #4 |
58. He's not to blame because he never gave a damn in the first place? |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 07:39 AM Response to Reply #4 |
75. He LET Maine? LOL. And please see Reply 67 and 68. Besides, when |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 07:06 AM Response to Reply #3 |
69. Not the point at all. Please see Replies 67 and 68. And I would blame the desire for votes |
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mrbarber (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 08:37 PM Response to Original message |
9. Conversatives celebrated their victory by burning books and lightings crosses on fire. |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 08:41 PM Response to Original message |
11. How in the world did my country end up as a place where - |
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Muttocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 09:08 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. seriously - that's what it comes down to - and I don't know how :( nt |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 07:28 AM Response to Reply #11 |
71. To be fair, your country (and mine) did not end up there. It started there. |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 08:42 PM Response to Original message |
12. joe hill...."don`t waste anytime in mourning.Organize". |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 09:12 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Horse manure. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 10:22 PM Response to Reply #15 |
29. Deleted message |
No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 07:34 AM Response to Reply #12 |
73. I agree with the beginning of your post, but not with the end. |
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Kali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 09:11 PM Response to Original message |
14. WTF |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 09:14 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Peanut Butter and Jelly. |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 09:20 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. "Marriage I like." n/t |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 08:13 AM Response to Reply #14 |
85. Natural marriage is opposite marriage. Duh! *sarcasm* |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 09:14 PM Response to Original message |
17. The gay rights leaders need to realize... |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 09:21 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. Bullshit - |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 09:32 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. I never said everyone from the older generation... |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 10:14 PM Response to Reply #17 |
28. Obama can not be blamed. You are correct there. But your patronizing my community is insulting. |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 11:04 PM Response to Reply #28 |
35. Who is "your" community? |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 11:23 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. I'm gay. |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 11:37 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. I'm straight. |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 11:38 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Of course, you are straight. Duh... |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 11:51 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Of course you are divisive... |
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Johnboi70 (114 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 12:08 AM Response to Reply #39 |
43. I'm gay and I agree with you. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 08:10 AM Response to Reply #43 |
83. Except Mellow Dem is saying the correct strategy is do nothing but wait for people to die off. |
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Johnboi70 (114 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 01:25 PM Response to Reply #83 |
110. He didn't say or even imply "do nothing." |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 07:53 AM Response to Reply #28 |
79. Why can't he blamed? Did JFK and RFK wait for people to die off before advocating equal rights? |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 07:37 AM Response to Reply #17 |
74. Bullshit. The Warren Court did not wait to decide Brown v. Bd. of Education. |
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Neurotica (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 09:17 PM Response to Original message |
18. Civil rights should not be put to popular vote |
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unkachuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 09:46 PM Response to Original message |
23. there is.... |
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cosmicone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 09:54 PM Response to Original message |
24. Blaming Obama is just pointing fingers |
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theHandpuppet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 10:08 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Amazing |
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liquid diamond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 10:49 PM Response to Reply #26 |
33. It's true. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 08:08 AM Response to Reply #33 |
82. Not all folks who support gay marriage are gay, nor will all of us vote for Obama in 2012.. |
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Iowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 11:18 PM Response to Reply #24 |
36. Are you serious? |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 08:21 AM Response to Reply #24 |
86. Why shouldn't Obama get blamed for his own actions and inactions? |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 10:04 PM Response to Original message |
25. The Book they use to explain their bigotry, Obama, his wife, |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 08:46 AM Response to Reply #25 |
87. Please see Reply 69. |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 10:12 PM Response to Original message |
27. Oh good grief. The headline is misleading. It should say SOME "gay leaders". |
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scentopine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 11:19 PM Response to Reply #27 |
37. Sort of agree - Virginia and New Jersey and Maine losses |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 10:51 PM Response to Original message |
34. can you imagine the headline |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 09:14 AM Response to Reply #34 |
95. Self Delete. Dupe. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 09:21 AM Response to Reply #34 |
97. Apples and oranges. Corzine and Deeds blaming Obama for their own losses is |
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Johnboi70 (114 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 11:47 PM Response to Original message |
41. The problem here is bad strategy by Gay Rights groups!! (4 points) |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 09:05 AM Response to Reply #41 |
53. No, the problem is the hateful fucking bigots who voted to strip people of basic civil rights. |
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Johnboi70 (114 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 10:03 AM Response to Reply #53 |
55. You didn't read my post. This is why I hate posting here... people attack without thinking. n/t |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 08:50 AM Response to Reply #55 |
88. Well, many contradict without thinking. I don't think every disagreement or contradiction is an |
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Johnboi70 (114 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 01:11 PM Response to Reply #88 |
109. Saying that I'm blaming the victims is clearly an attack, not a contradiction. It's not even... |
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Johnboi70 (114 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 10:05 AM Response to Reply #53 |
56. Gay rights groups aren't the "victims." Gays are. They need to try something that works. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 05:23 PM Response to Reply #53 |
61. Deleted message |
cstanleytech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 02:57 AM Response to Original message |
46. Maybe its time for a new tactic. |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 03:38 AM Response to Reply #46 |
49. If they believe marriage is religious... |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 09:00 AM Response to Reply #46 |
91. While I sympathize with your motivation, your proposal is impractical and |
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BluDemocratGirl (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 03:34 AM Response to Original message |
48. President Obama has NOTHING to do with it |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 09:07 AM Response to Reply #48 |
92. Sorry, but there is plenty of blame to go around. Equal rights are not only Maine's affair anyway, |
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CakeGrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 03:51 AM Response to Original message |
50. So it's the President's fault that voters are misinformed on a local ballot? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 05:30 PM Response to Reply #50 |
62. Deleted message |
No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 09:25 AM Response to Reply #50 |
98. Careful building such big straw men. You could hurt yourself before health care reform passes. |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 07:51 AM Response to Original message |
78. Obama is never going to come through for GLBT citizens the way they hope. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 09:32 AM Response to Reply #78 |
101. IMO, the explanation is simple. Neither the Republicans nor the |
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VMI Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 08:11 AM Response to Original message |
84. Obama is very clear on this subject. Why do people expect more? |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 09:13 AM Response to Reply #84 |
94. See, for example, posts 67, 68 and 69. BTW, do you think he would take |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 08:55 AM Response to Original message |
90. TV ads? The pro-marriage equity side raised twice as much as the opposition |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 09:09 AM Response to Reply #90 |
93. FAIL. The pro-marriage side is the side that for marriage, not the side that is against it |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 09:20 AM Response to Reply #93 |
96. Protect Maine Equality: $4 million, Stand for Marriage Maine: $2.5 million |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 09:27 AM Response to Reply #96 |
99. Sincere apologies. My error was based on the rhetoric of the bad guys. I should have checked first. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 09:29 AM Response to Original message |
100. Yes, people are much too easily influenced by crap they see on teevee |
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Sultana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 10:28 AM Response to Original message |
104. Whining biatches |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 10:58 AM Response to Reply #104 |
106. Sure. Bigots had nothing to do with it. Neither did a President who says he thinks |
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BREMPRO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 11:29 AM Response to Original message |
107. nothing to do with Obama, it was the same political marketing group that used the same fear tactics |
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robcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 12:20 PM Response to Original message |
108. Obama is against same sex marriage - as is Biden |
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