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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 11:28 AM
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Zelaya's Hopes of Return Fade in Committee Vote
Source: Wall Street Journal

A Honduran legislative committee voted not to convene a special session of Congress to consider returning the country's ousted leader, in a move likely to dash chances of Manuel Zelaya's returning to power even temporarily under a deal brokered last week by the U.S.

On Tuesday, a committee of 13 legislators voted to not convene the special session, opting instead to wait until Congress receives nonbinding legal opinions on the issue from Honduras's Supreme Court, attorney general's office and other institutions. It set no deadline for when the reports had to be received.

The decision means a presidential election scheduled for Nov. 29 could take place before any vote on Mr. Zelaya.

Even if Mr. Zelaya pulls out of the U.S.-brokered deal, the interim government appears to have the upper hand. In announcing the deal, the U.S. made clear that it would respect any decision by the Honduran Congress, and would recognize the November elections even if Congress blocks Mr. Zelaya's return.

Read more: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125730077793427071.html



No surprise, just more stalling to remain in power!

Another sad day for democracy in Honduras.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 11:29 AM
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1. Previous LATEST: OAS plans to reincorporate Honduras and lift sanctions next week
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 11:31 AM
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2. Sounds like the legislature really doesn't want Zelaya...
Hoping the next elections bring someone decent to power.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 11:45 AM
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5. Without restoring Zelaya, the elections are extra-constitutional!!
And will not be recognized by Hondurans and the World.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 11:46 AM
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7. Irregardless...
The legislature still really doesn't seem to want Zelaya. I will be curious to see if the Supreme Court ever issues an opinion.
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 05:07 PM
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34. "Irregardless"!!!! Oh, god, you slay me. (nt)
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 11:55 AM
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10. Hondurans will still vote n/t
s
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 12:26 PM
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12. And the resistance has promised to boycott the election. Wing-nuts will be voting!!
And there is no liberal media left in the country, leftist leaders have been killed or jailed, .....

some election!
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 12:58 PM
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18. and the sky will fall and the sun will burn up, and and and n/t
s
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 03:26 PM
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30. Aren't you thinking ahead a bit
to 2012 :rofl:
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 12:50 PM
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15. "Someone decent"? How is Mel Zelaya not decent?
--raised the minimum wage in the poorest country in Latin America
--lowered the price of bus tickets for poor workers (by alliance with ALBA and Venezuela for cheap oil)
--provided school lunches for poor children
--responded to the pleas of labor unions, human rights workers, religious advocates of the poor, community organizers and many grass roots groups, for fundamental reform of Honduras' putrid political system, by means of convening a Constituent Assembly to discuss and rewrite the Constitution, with all segments of Honduran society participating.
--has a 67% approval rating in Honduras.

It seems to me that Mel Zelaya is the ONLY "decent" member of Honduras' political establishment (or rather former member). This is why his house was shot up, and he was kidnapped at gunpoint and thrown out of the country--though born to the oligarchy, he became an advocate of the poor majority. 26 people have been murdered for supporting the restoration of Zelaya to his rightful office. Thousands have been beaten up, tear-gassed, shot at with live ammunition and rubber bullets, arbitrarily arrested, refused right of habeas corpus, and tortured and raped in prison; others have been fired from their jobs for opposing the coup (the government has been purged of anyone who dared to support the rule of law); one independent candidate for president was beaten up and has broken bones; political activists and human rights workers have had to go into hiding because of death threats; several have been picked off by driveby shooters (rightwing death squads); major media have been shut down.

I think you have a strange moral compass--calling President Zelaya not decent. What a thing for the families and friends of the dead to read on a US blog--if they happen to. What a callous, uninformed, anti-democratic thing for anyone to be exposed to. Smug little you wants "someone decent" in power in Honduras.

I honor the dead. May they rest in peace! And may their families, friends and all decent Hondurans win their struggle for a decent life for all!

:grouphug:
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 12:57 PM
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17. You misunderstand...
Not saying that Zelaya is not "decent," but it does not appear that his return is going to happen due to the legistlature so the only option left is to look towards the future.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 11:32 AM
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3. What a farce.
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roody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 11:34 AM
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4. The sham is more obvious without a symbolic return to
the presidency. Viva el pueblo Hondureño.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 11:46 AM
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6. Meanwhile, the United States will invade any country in the Middle East to bring "democracy"
to their citizens, but cannot muster enough diplomatic clout to dislodge the fascists who have taken over a REAL democracy in Central America.

Shameful. And even more shameful that this is happening on President Obama's watch.

Rec.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 11:52 AM
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8. Honduras is not a global oil supplier. Plenty of coffee and bananas elsewhere
Meanwhile, how many Panamanians died to silence Noriega about Iran-Contra crimes?
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 12:04 PM
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11. Shhhhh, L. Coyote. You might awaken some of the sleeping cheerleaders with statements
like that.

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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 11:54 AM
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9. there was no requirement for the Congress to return Zelaya, and that is what Zelaya agreed to.
the agreement doesn't bind the Congress or Supreme Court to actually restore Zelaya.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 12:35 PM
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13. NY Times: Honduras: Vote Postponed on Deal to End Crisis
One paragraph blurb only:

Honduras: Vote Postponed on Deal to End Crisis
By ELISABETH MALKIN
Published: November 3, 2009

Congressional leaders decided Tuesday to delay a vote on an accord signed last week that would restore the ousted president, Manuel Zelaya, and end the country’s four-month-old crisis. The leaders decided not to call Congress out of recess to vote on the agreement and requested opinions on it from the Supreme Court and the attorney general. Foreign governments have said they will not recognize the presidential election on Nov. 29 unless Mr. Zelaya is reinstated first.

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Keyword: "Postponed" = decided to delay a vote on an accord

We will see soon enough.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 12:38 PM
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14. TEXT (translation): Saturday, October 31, 2009 Tegucigalpa-San Jose Accord
Saturday, October 31, 2009
Tegucigalpa-San Jose Accord: A translation
Preamble

We, Honduran citizens, men and women convinced of the necessity to strengthen the state of law, to aid our constitution and the laws of our Republic, deepen democracy and assure a climate of peace and tranquility for our people, have carried out a frank and intense process of political dialogue to seek a negotiated and peaceful exit to the crisis in which our country has been submerged in recent months.

As fruit of this dialogue in which has predominated the wisdom, tolerance, and patriotic spirit of all the participants, we have drafted a political accord that will permit the reestablishment of civic harmony and assure a proper climate for democratic governability in our country. This accord, we are sure, will define the road to peace, reconciliation, and democracy, urgent demands of Honduran society.

The agreement on this accord demonstrates yet again, that Honduran men and women are capable of successfully carrying out dialogue and thanks to that and by means of it, reach the high goals that society demands and the country requires.

In virtue of the forgoing, we have agreed on the following accords:

1. ON THE GOVERNMENT OF NATIONAL RECONCILIATION AND UNITY

To achieve reconciliation and strengthen democracy, we will form a Government of Unity and National Reconciliation made up of representatives of the various political parties and social organizations, recognized for their capabilities, honesty, aptness, and willingness to dialogue, who will occupy the distinct secretariates and subsecretariates, as well as other dependencies of State, in conformity with article 246 and following of the constitution of the Republic of Honduras.

In light of the fact that before the 28 of June, the Executive Power had not submitted a General Budget of Income and Expenses for consideration to the National Congress, in conformity with that established in article 205, number 32 of the Constitution of the Republic of Honduras, this government of unity and national reconciliation will respect and function on the basis of the general budget, recently approved by the National Congress for fiscal year 2009.

2. ON RENOUNCING THE CONVOCATION OF A NATIONAL CONSTITUENT ASSEMBLY OR REFORMING THE UNREFORMABLE ARTICLES OF THE CONSTITUTION.

To achieve reconciliation and fortify democracy, we reiterate our respect for the Constitution and the laws of our country, abstaining from making calls for the convening of a National Constituent Assembly, in direct or indirect manner and renouncing also promoting or aiding any popular poll with the goal of reforming the Constitution in order to permit presidential re-election, modify the form of government or contravene any of the irreformable articles of our Magna Carta.

In particular, we will not make public declarations nor exercise any type of influence inconsistent with articles 5; 373 and 373 of the Constitution of the Republic of Honduras, and we reject energetically every manifestation contrary to the spirit of said articles and of the special law that regulates the referendum and the plebiscite.

3. ON THE GENERAL ELECTIONS AND THE TRANSFER OF GOVERNMENT

To achieve reconciliation and fortify democracy, we reiterate that, in conformity with the articles 44 and 51 of the Constitution of the Republic of Honduras, the vote is universal, obligatory, egalitarion, direct, free and secret, and it corresponds to the Supreme Electoral Tribunal, with full autonomy and independence, to supervise and execute everything related to the electoral acts and processes.

At the same time, we make a call to the Honduran people to peacefully participate in the next general elections and to avoid all kinds of demonstrations that would oppose the elections or their results, or promote insurrection, antijuridical conduct, civil disobedience or other acts that could produce violent confrontations or transgressions of the law.

With the goal of demonstrating the transparency and legitimacy of the electoral process, we ask urgently that the Supreme Electoral Tribunal that it authorize and accredit the presence of international missions from now until the declaration of the results of the general elections, as well as the transfer of powers that will take place, in conformity with Article 237 of the Constitution of the Republic, the 27 of January of 2010.

4. ON THE ARMED FORCES AND NATIONAL POLICE

To reach reconciliation and fortify democracy, we affirm our will to comply in all its measures with article 272 of the Constitution of the Republic of Honduras, according to which the Armed Forces remain at the disposition of the Supreme Electoral Tribunal from one month before the general elections, for the purpose of guaranteeing the free exercise of suffrage, the custody, transparency, and guarding of the electoral materials and all the other aspects of security of the process. We reaffirm the professional, apolitical, obedient and non-deliberative character of the Honduran Armed Forces. In the same way, we agree that the national police should be strictly subject to that prescribed in its special legislation.

5. ON EXECUTIVE POWER

To achieve reconciliation and fortify democracy, in the spirit of the themes of the proposed San Jose Accord, both negotiating commissions have decided, respectfully, that the National Congress, as an institutional expression of popular sovereignty, in the use of its powers, in consultation with the points that the Supreme Court of Justice should consider pertinent and in conformity with the law, should resolve in that proceeding in respect to "return the incumbency of Executive Power to its state previous to the 28 of June until the conclusion of the present governmental period, the 27 of January of 2010". The decision that the National Congress shall accept should lay the foundations to achieve social peace, political tranquility and governability that society demands and the country needs".

6. ON THE VERIFICATION COMMISSION AND THE TRUTH COMMISSION

To achieve reconciliation and fortify democracy, we are disposed to the creation of a Commission of Verification of the promises assumed in this Accord, and of those that shall derive from it, coordinated by the Organization of American States (OAS). Said commission will be made up of two members of the international community and two members of the national community, these last will be sought one by each of the parties.

The Verification Commission will be charged with giving witness of the strict completion of all of the points of this Accord, and will receive for this the full cooperation of Honduran public institutions.
Incompletion of any of the commitments contained in this Accord, proven and declared by the Verification Commission, will produce the activation of measures that the Commisssion will establish against the transgressor or transgressors.

With the goal of clarifying the deeds that occurred before and after the 28 of June of 2009, there will also be created a Truth Commission that will identify the acts that led to the present situation, and provide to the Honduran people elements to avoid that those deeds will be repeated in the future.
This Commission of Dialogue recommends that the next Government, in the framework of a national consensus, constitutes the said Truth Commission in the first half of the year 2010.

7. ON THE NORMALIZATION OF RELATIONS OF THE REPUBLIC OF HONDURAS WITH THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY

On committing ourselves to faithfully comply with the promises assumed in the present Accord, we respectfully ask the immediate revocation of those measures and sanctions adopted at a bilateral or multilateral level, that in any manner would affect the reinsertion and full participation of the Republic of Honduras in the international community and its access to all forms of cooperation.

We make a call to the international community that it should reactivate as soon as possible the projects of cooperation in effect with the Republic of Honduras and continue with the negotiation of future ones. In particular, we ask urgently that, on the request of competent authorities the international cooperation be made effective that might be necessary and opportune for the Verification Commission and the future Truth Commission to assure the faithful completion and follow-through of the commitments acquired in this Accord.

8. FINAL DISPOSITIONS

Any difference in interpretation or application of the present Accord will be submitted to the Verification Commission, which will determine, in keeping with that disposed in the Constitution of the Republic of Honduras and in the legislation in effect and through an authentic interpretation of the present Accord, the solution that corresponds.

Taking into account that the present Accord is a product of the understanding and fraternity among Honduran men and women, we ask vehemently that the international community respect the sovereignty of the Republic of Honduras, and fully observe the time-honored principle in the Charter of the United Nations of non-interference in the internal affairs of other States.

9. CALENDAR OF COMPLETION OF THE ACCORDS

Given the immediate entrance into effect of this accord from the date of its signing, and with the goal of clarifying the timetable for completion and follow-through of the commitments acquired to reach national reconciliation, we agree on the following calendar of completion:

*30 of October of 2009
1. Signing and entry into effect of the accord.
2. Formal delivery of the accords to Congress for the effects of point 5, of "Executive Power".

*2 of November of 2009
1. Appointment of the Verification Commission

*Beginning with the signing of the present Accord and no later than the 5 of November
1. Appointment and installation of the Government of Unity and National Reconciliation

*27 of January of 2010
1. Celebrate the transfer of government

*First half of 2010
1. Formation of the Truth Commission

10. FINAL DECLARATION

In the name of reconciliation and the patriotic spirit that has convened us at the table of dialogue, we commit to complete in good faith the present Accord and that which derives from it.

The world is witness to that demonstration of unity and peace, to which we commit our civic conscience, and patriotic devotation. Together, we shall know to demonstrate our valor and determination to fortify the State of Law and construct a tolerant, pluralistic, and democratic society.

We sign the present Accord in the city of Tegucigalpa, Honduras, the 30th of October of 2009.

11. ACKNOWLEDGMENT

We take advantage of the occasion to thank the accompaniment of the good offices of the international community, in particular the OAS, and its Secretary General, Jose Miguel Insulza, the Missions of Chancellors of the Hemisphere; the President of Costa Rica, Oscar Arias Sanchez; the ultimate government of the United States, its president Barack Obama; and its Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton.

12. ON THE ENTRY INTO EFFECTIVENESS OF THE TEGUCIGALPA/SAN JOSE ACCORD

For internal effects, the Accord has full effectiveness from its signature.

For effects of protocol and ceremony, there will be carried out a public act of signing on the 2nd of November of 2009.

Tegucigalpa, Municipio del Distrito Central, 30 of October of 2009

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source: http://hondurascoup2009.blogspot.com/2009/10/tegucigalpa-san-jose-accord-translation.html
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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 12:55 PM
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16. Honduras gives the Gringo from Washington a Bronx cheer.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 01:05 PM
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19. So now we're selling out Zelaya.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 01:13 PM
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20. Are you part part of the Honduras legislature?
:shrug:
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 02:08 PM
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21. This agreement simply gave Zelaya a chance to save face and not spend the rest of his life living in
the Brazilian embassy.

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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 02:41 PM
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22. Read the accord.
9. CALENDAR OF COMPLETION OF THE ACCORDS

Given the immediate entrance into effect of this accord from the date of its signing .... we agree on the following calendar of completion:

* .... no later than the 5 of November
1. Appointment and installation of the Government of Unity and National Reconciliation

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Today is Nov. 4th. The accord is null and void as of midnight tomorrow!

This was just one more stall tactic for the junta.
It has nothing to do with saving face for Zelaya.

There will be a popular revolution in the streets of Tegucigalpa if this accord does not restore democracy tomorrow.
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 03:08 PM
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26. where does it state they have to return Zelaya??
it doesn't.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-06-09 10:42 AM
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40. Here is your Unity Government:
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 02:45 PM
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23. Spaniard found guilty of sedition in Honduras released ahead of new trial
Spaniard found guilty of sedition in Honduras released ahead of new trial
By m.p. - Nov 4, 2009 - 12:51 PM


Antonio Porta maintains his innocence and says he was only in the country to meet a woman he had fallen in love with on the Internet

The Cádiz man found guilty of sedition after his arrest in Honduras during protests in support of the deposed President, Manuel Zelaya, has been released from prison ahead of a new trial which is due to take place.

Antonio Porta, from Chipiona, travelled to Tegucigalpa on 17th November to meet up with a woman he had met over the Internet and had fallen in love with. He was arrested the following Tuesday, for allegedly taking part in the protests held, near his hotel, outside the Brazilian Embassy where Manuel Zelaya had taken refuge.

The 41 year old has always defended his innocence and, indeed, his family claims that he knows absolutely nothing about politics. He is understood to have a mental disability after suffering brain injuries during a traffic accident.

As part of his release conditions, Antonio must remain in Honduras and report to the police station in Tegucigalpa every Monday until his new trial comes up. Another condition, Diario de Cádiz reports, is that throughout that time he must be placed in the charge of a Honduras resident. That responsibility has been taken on by a fellow Spaniard, a businessman who is based in the Honduras capital and who is also from Andalucía.

http://www.typicallyspanish.com/news/publish/article_23773.shtml
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 02:49 PM
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24. Honduran lawmakers put off vote on Zelaya's return
November 04, 2009 09:36 AM
Honduran lawmakers put off vote on Zelaya's return
By Mario Naranjo and Fiona Ortiz

TEGUCIGALPA, Nov 4 (Reuters) - Honduran lawmakers on Tuesday put off a vote on whether to restore ousted President Manuel Zelaya and asked the Supreme Court for its view, bucking outside pressure to quickly end a four-month political crisis.

Their inaction leaves the de facto government of Roberto Micheletti in place and risks losing international support for a Nov. 29 presidential election, along with hundreds of millions of dollars in foreign aid to the poor coffee- and textile-producing nation.

A board of 13 top lawmakers met and decided not to call a special session of Congress, currently in recess, until they receive non-binding opinions from the Supreme Court and the attorney general.

No timeline was established for a vote, throwing fresh uncertainty over the implementation of a U.S.-brokered deal signed last week to end the worst political upheaval in two decades in Central America.

"The majority voted to send the matter to the Supreme Court, but there were votes against that idea, from those who want to immediately vote on Zelaya's restitution," congressman Marvin Ponce of the Democratic Unification Party told Reuters.

http://www.bernama.com/bernama/v5/newsworld.php?id=452260
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rabs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 02:55 PM
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25. Rifts breaking out all over
Edited on Wed Nov-04-09 03:11 PM by rabs


Shannon yesterday said on CNN that the U.S. would honor the Nov. 29 elections, even though the accord he sponsored has not been resolved.

Shannon's remarks led Zelaya to fire off a letter last night to Hillary asking her to explain the U.S. position.

OAS' Insulza yesterday called on the golpistists to stop stalling with their "retorica" and get on with the congressional vote.

Today that prompted goriletti to in effect tell Insulza to mind his own business.

Meantime, Obama's Labor Secretary Hilda Solis is in Tegu as a member of the commission that is to verify that the accord will be carried out.

Only problem is that there is nothing to verify. The commission may come up with some kind of meaningless document to save face.

When Solis reports back to Obama, and he is made aware of Shannon's remarks, there could be a rift between Obama and Hillary on how this has been handled by State because the rest of the hemisphere will be most unhappy if goriletti is allowed to rule until Jan. 27 when Zelaya's term ends.



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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 03:19 PM
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27. Collusion between Shannon, Goriletti? Jeez. Shannon's appointment is blocked by wormy Jim DeMint,
and he may be in a big rush to do what's necessary to win one the way which goes over best with DeMint, a common idiot right-winger.

Not Democratic. Underhanded. Fascist pandering.

The people of Honduras aren't going to be tricked, and I doubt they will be beaten down by violence from the golpistas. They can't afford it, and they know it. They've already been there.

Doesn't seem possible a Democrat could go along with the lunatic right-wing on this....
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 03:24 PM
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29. Thinking a few hours in Latin America can solve a crisis ....
Gotta get back to the beltway in time for cocktails, you know!!
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 03:22 PM
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28. Zelaya seeks US clarity on return
Zelaya seeks US clarity on return
Zelaya has asked if Washington's position on his reinstatement has changed
AFP - Wednesday, November 04, 2009 23:00 Mecca time, 20:00 GMT
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2009/11/20091141934390702.html


Honduras' deposed president has sent a letter to the US secretary of state asking why US officials have said that they will recognise forthcoming Honduran elections even if he is not reinstated beforehand.

Manuel Zelaya on Wednesday asked Hillary Clinton "to clarify to the Honduran people if the position condemning the coup d'etat has been changed or modified".

The ousted leader's letter was sent after Thomas Shannon, the senior US envoy to Latin America, told CNN en Espanol that the US will recognise the November 29 elections even if the Honduran congress votes against Zelaya's return to power before the vote.

"Both leaders took a risk and put their trust in congress but, at the end of the day, the accord requires that both leaders accept its decision," Shannon said.......

"America supports now the restoration of the democratically elected president of Honduras," Barack Obama, the US president, had said earlier this year.

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rabs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 04:14 PM
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31. Verification commission just held a news conference




in which Solis and Lagos read bland statements lauding the accord signed last Friday.

There was no concrete statement from either on the restitution of Z or the formation of the "reconciliation" government, which is supposed to be in place TOMORROW.

Solis said she was returning to Washington today. Felt sorry for her because she is way out of her league in this mess and appeared very nervous when she was asked a couple of question.

Interesting tidbits from Lagos; he referred in his statement to "President Zelaya" and "Senor Micheletti" and said that in a meeting with Micheletti this morning, the de facto president had offered to resign, but Lagos did not say under what conditions.

The conference was carried live on CholusatSur but when the journalists began asking hardball questions, the signal went dead.

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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 04:35 PM
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33. "President Zelaya" from Lagos. Excellent!
It appears CholuSatSur is still knocked out.

They've had a very rough time at the hands of the Gorilettis.

Thanks for these updates.
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rabs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 05:55 PM
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35. State Department has reacted to Z's letter regarding statements made by Shannon yesterday
Hillary spokesman Ian Kelly:

-- The U.S. continues to condemn the golpe de estado.

-- The U.S. insists on the restitution of Z to the presidency.

-- But the process is now an issue of the Hondurans themselves.

Looks like Hillary gave Shannon a swift :kick: in the butt for his ill-conceived remarks to CNN yesterday.


(Report on Globo few minutes ago. Looking for English version)

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rabs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 06:18 PM
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36. State Department briefing today on Honduras (Ian Kelly)



Here is the video, go to 21 minutes 20 seconds. It goes until 32 minutes 40 seconds. Lots of waffling around the question of Z's restitution by Kelly.

The Globo report was based on a news report in Spanish from Washington.

http://www.state.gov/video/?videoid=48231030001
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-04-09 04:25 PM
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32. Zelaya was the one who wanted the Congress to decide on his return
the agreement doesn't bind Congress to restore him or require a timeline of them. It can't because Congress was not a party to the agreement.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 10:37 AM
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37. President Obama's Credibility on the Line in Honduras
Published on Thursday, November 5, 2009 by The Guardian/UK
President Obama's Credibility on the Line in Honduras
by Mark Weisbrot

Last Friday an agreement was reached between the de facto regime in Honduras, which took power in a military coup on 28 June, and the elected president Manuel Zelaya, for the restoration of democracy there.

US secretary of state Hillary Clinton, in announcing what she called a historic agreement, said: "I cannot think of another example of a country in Latin America that ... overcame such a crisis through negotiation and dialogue." Hopefully this will turn out to be true.

But the ink was barely dry on the accord when leaders of the coup regime indicated that they had no intention of honouring it. Some of them clearly saw the agreement as just another delaying tactic. They have talked of postponing congressional approval of the accord until after the 29 November elections, or even voting not to restore Zelaya.

If the Honduran congress delays or rejects the restoration of Zelaya, it will violate the clear intent of the accord. The agreement states: "The decision the national congress adopts should establish a basis for achieving the social peace, political tranquility and democratic governability the society requires and the country needs." This and other language makes it clear that the negotiators - who have the ability to deliver the votes in congress - agreed on Zelaya's restoration.

More:
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/11/05-1
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 11:15 AM
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38. Honduran Women Facing Attacks Since Coup
Honduran Women Facing Attacks Since Coup
http://insidecostarica.com/dailynews/2009/november/05/centam-091105-03.htm


TEGUCIGALPA - Over 400 violations of human rights against women have been registered in Honduras since the June 28 coup d''etat, according to reports by women's organizations.

They include insults, threats, persecutions, beatings, dismissals, sexual attacks and other forms of violence, said the document presented at the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights (IACHR).

The text stresses that two women were killed because of intoxication with tear gases during repression by security forces of anti-coup demonstrations.

Seven other women have been raped by army and police soldiers, after being detained during the curfew.

The de facto regime has tried to dismantle the public institutions that safeguard women's rights, ..............
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 11:19 AM
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39. Grenade explosion at Honduran radio station
Grenade explosion at Honduran radio station
Agence France-Presse - 15:14:00 11/05/2009 - http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/world/view/20091105-234389/Grenade-explosion-at-Honduran-radio-station


TEGUCIGALPA – An unidentified individual launched a fragmentation grenade at influential Honduran radio station HRN, causing an explosion that injured two people and left minor damage to the transmission boot.
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The injuries at the country's oldest radio station, which marked its 76th anniversary on Sunday, were caused by debris that fell from the ceiling.
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The M26-type hand grenade was launched around 10:30 pm (0430 GMT) from a vehicle ... the station was airing the "Tegucigalpa de Noche" program featuring journalist Andres Torres and his colleague, Abilio Reyes.
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Other media outlets have come under attack during the Honduran political crisis.

Three Molotov cocktails were thrown at El Heraldo newspaper, damaging windows and an office on the second floor of the two-story building.

Major media outlets in Honduras have moved to identify themselves with the de facto government .....
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