2 women accuse Raiders coach of violent behavior

[Liberal_in_LA]

Source: San Francisco Chronicle

The former wife of Oakland Raiders coach Tom Cable and a recent girlfriend claim Cable has a history of violent behavior toward women, and asked that he seek help for his anger.

Sandy Cable and Marie Lutz said in seperate interviews on ESPN's "Outside the Lines" that the first-year head coach physically abused them at various times during their relationships.

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"During my first marriage, I became aware that my wife Sandy had committed adultery," Cable said in the statement. "I became very angry and slapped her with an open hand. What I did was wrong and I have regretted and felt sorrow about that moment ever since."

Lutz told ESPN that she remembers Cable hitting her "three, four times," and said that she visited his house in January and found another woman there. Lutz said she demanded to meet the woman and that Cable grabbed her by the arm and eventually pushed her out the door.

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His on-field struggles as he tries to rebuild the once-proud franchise have been mirrored by off-field problems, including an argument in August in which Oakland assistant coach Randy Hanson accused Cable of breaking his jaw during a coaches meeting.

Napa County district attorney Gary Lieberstein decided not to pursue charges last month.





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[JerseygirlCT]

1. Even the way he attempts to

"explain" it is nasty. Throw in adultery, attempt to shift the blame to her and hope to skate.

I hate this.

[jgraz]

2. The "bitch had it coming" defense

Sick. :puke:

[TheWraith]

5. To be fair, people can do really stupid things when they're angry.

I know a couple people like that, whose tempers can often be directed at the most inappropriate things. Both were brought up in situations where they had violence and mental abuse directed against them, and it affected how they relate to others. For one of the two, it's a character flaw that comes out rarely; for the other, it's a way of life.

[jgraz]

12. That's no excuse.

Many people were raised with violence and abuse. It takes a special sort of creep to identify his spouse as an appropriate target for that violence.

[wordpix]

44. +1

[Piewhacket]

14. WTF.?

1) true, adultery is not a defense to slapping your spouse. it is an explanation
of provocation, coupled with an apology. Women do this shit all the time to men,
perhaps more often. That isn't a defense either, but a warning. Beware how you
show your bias and anger, for sauce for the gander is sauce for the goose.

2) that she came to his house, found another woman there and then
demanded a confrontation and refused to leave, is not grounds for her claim
of abuse by him , it is grounds for criminal prosecution of her for trespass.
He was permitted to use reasonable physical force to ejecting her.

Her claim of physical abuse are not fully supported by his version of this
"he said - she said" allegation. In additition, since she took it to the
news rather than the courts, how much credibility is she to be given?

[niyad]

18. women do WHAT all the time to men? elucidate, please. as for the other woman

coming to his house, and finding another woman there-- did it ever occur to you that she might have gone to the media because she suspected that the legal system would do nothing for her? nicole brown simpson called the police when her PRO was violated--and all the cops did was ask for his autograph. perhaps if they had done their damned job, nicole might be alive.

sports figures seem to get a pass when it comes to abuse and violence against their partners, more so than others.

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[LanternWaste]

27. I imagine these statements may point towards a pattern of behavior

"so why should anyone give her serious regard?"

I imagine these statements may point towards a pattern of behavior of the coach, allowing me reason to give her accusations more regard than his defense.

"I became very angry and slapped her with an open hand..."
"Oakland assistant coach Randy Hanson accused Cable of breaking his jaw during a coaches meeting..."


But as my own regards have zero consequence to what may or may not happen, and as I'm neither a lawyer on the case, nor a juror in the case, my own regards, like everyone else on this thread, are just that.

[Piewhacket]

32. do you feel the same way about police officers being "violent" people?.

I can't see how an allegation that Cable "broke someone's jaw",
which is neither explained in the article nor sufficient to
allege anything improper, and was reviewed and declined by the DA for
prosecution, can reasonably "point" to a propensity for violence.
How can nothing "point" anywhere?

Of course you have said you aren't a lawyer or juror on the case,
and neither am I, but I don't think it takes a lawyer to realize
this isn't being prosecuted in a court of law, where facts matter,
but on a talk show where enemies make exaggerated and slanderous
accusations for profit, publicity, and payback.

Doesn't that pretty much size this up?

[LanternWaste]

34. In a court of law...

"Doesn't that pretty much size this up?"

In a court of law, yes. However, in a court of law, more relevant facts would be presented. And as this discussion board hold little weight in a court of law, I imagine that the relevant facts we are presented with, and placing those facts within a relevant context (which of course, discounts the actions of a lawn enforcement agent), do and will lead inductive conclusions--- although without consequence.

What you may consider "nothing", others may see as something. I happen to see allegations of a broken jaw, and the self-admission of hitting a woman as something, while you may not.

So yes... I think that about sizes it up.

[Piewhacket]

35. People may see what they want....

I just don't want my Airline pilot "seeing" things
that aren't there.

An allegation (hypothesis) is not by its own terms "true"
but must be subject to some manner of proof...

An allegation of causation without fault, even if proven
by "conclusive" evidence, is not itself enough to
fix blame or liability...

Here the article did not even allege anything improper.
Maybe they were practicing tackles when the jaw was broken.
You don't know. Unless you know more, everything is
complete fantasy. How can anyone "see" anything in
such blackness. Seriously.

[LanternWaste]

42. Did your airline pilot accuse anyone of assaulting him?

Between the two accusations and the admission, I allow the current victim more credibility. You do not. We are both guilty of seeing in "such blackness." Six of one, half a dozen of the other.

What in fact was the coaches response to the asst coaches allegation? What was the relevant outcome?

And, as he had admitted to striking a woman on a previous occasion, I'm sure you can see why I take his moral stand a little less... seriously than I may otherwise.

ed: sp

[Piewhacket]

45. No, the airline pilot is the one who must think clearly, therefore uses facts and logic.

regarding the assistant coach
it isn't a matter of credibility, as I have been
repeatedly explaining. its a matter reading
comprehension and logic.

the article said nothing about any claim of assault
on the assistant coach... where did you get that??

the only relevant reference was that the DA had not
prosecuted, from which we can reasonably conclude
it wasn't an assault.

don't you see that?
its not a matter of moral standing, or credibility
but of reasoning based on available data.

his response to that printed claim was not disclosed,
but the Raiders have now issued a statement that the
station has a history of biased attack articles
on the Raiders.

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[LanternWaste]

43. Football uber-fans are a breed unto themselves...

I imagined there may be more than an ill-reasoned defense on the part of the coach than I perceived. Football uber-fans are a breed unto themselves...

[Piewhacket]

46. i'm not an "uberfan" and I don't "support" domestic violence. thanks for playing.

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[Piewhacket]

33. this has nothing to do with nicole simpson.

[CreekDog]

37. So you say Cable is allowed to backhand a woman if she won"t leave his house?

Is that the law in Saudi Arabia? because it sure as hell isn't legal here.

also, is this the third allegation of assault bty Cable in two weeks? :wtf:

and not all Raiders fans are morons, just the ones who say she got what she deserved.

[NYC_SKP]

3. There's something about some sports that seems to bring out anger and wierdness.

I don't care for most aggressive sports, or fans thereof.

Peace.

:P

[TheWraith]

6. I think it's the reverse--sports attract people who have aggressive, tempermental attitudes.

The competition gives them something to channel it into.

[NYC_SKP]

7. Perhaps a chicken egg thing here.

It's been argued that sports is an outlet for aggression, it's just as fair to suggest that it's a breeding ground.

Have a good day... :P

[DURHAM D]

10. Coach is probably victim of an extra Y chromosome.

That could be used as his legal defense.

I am serious.

[WriteDown]

13. Like hockey?

:shrug:

[NYC_SKP]

16. Every sport has the capacity to be played without aggression, but some sports seem more than others:

...to include what seem to be acts of violence.

Sometimes these seem to be more accepted in some sports than in others.

Hockey might be one of these sports, but I don't follow it so wouldn't want to cast asparagus on it.

:P

[phasma ex machina]

17. Although violence nauseates me too many seem enthralled by it. nt.

[bertman]

4. A professional football coach displaying aggressive anger?? Who would have guessed?

[niyad]

8. do you think his behaviour is acceptable?

[bertman]

9. No. Not at all. It's disgraceful. But I'm not surprised by it. Football is all about machismo.

[niyad]

11. and here I thought it was all about the money

[Piewhacket]

15. +1

[Kolesar]

20. You can't fight in here! This is the war room.

For you fans of Stanley Kubrick

[Piewhacket]

23. eeeeeeeee hhhaaaaaa!

Seller's fan,
One of the best films (5th-30th depending on poll) of all time.

most memorable moment
Slim Pickens (Maj Kong) riding the warhead to detonation.
eeeeeeeee hhhaaaaaa!

[Kolesar]

28. "A fellow sure could have a good time in Kansas City with all this stuff. ..." eom

[Piewhacket]

29. vegas. (originally Dallas, changed due to assination of JFK that year)

[Missy Vixen]

19. Interesting

I covered the assault on the assistant coach story on my blog, but this seems to show a pattern, does it not?

I wonder if the prosecutor believes he was a bit hasty...

:eyes:

[marshall]

22. A football star making violent sexist comments?

Say it ain't so!

All that testosterone.

[BakedAtAMileHigh]

24. Hey Now

It wasn't the biochems committing violence: it was a conscious decision on the part of a misogynistic idiot.

[niyad]

31. welcome to DU

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[Kingofalldems]

25. Rush jr.?

[yorgatron]

36. the Raiders suck.

their fans are assholes,the players are assholes,the coaches are assholes,and the owner is an asshole.

[LeftyMom]

39. Meh. My mother's family are all Raider fans. They're not assholes, they're just from Oakland.

:shrug: The average Raider fan isn't one of those greasepainted Black Hole douches.

But I think we can all agree that Al Davis is an asshole so large the goatse guy winces at the thought. And that if half of what's been said about him is true Cable needs to spend the next few years coaching yard games at Pelican Bay.

[CreekDog]

40. LOL

"And that if half of what's been said about him is true Cable needs to spend the next few years coaching yard games at Pelican Bay."

And if he does, he'll probably have more creative control than he does working for Davis. :eyes:

(sorry about my anti-Raider comments they are aimed at the Raider Nation, which is just a subset of obnoxious fans as well as Davis and Cable...and the dude in this thread who is defending Cable's assault of his wife)

[LeftyMom]

41. He'd probably have a lower risk of getting shanked than in Oakland.

Then again, if any more players get into trouble with the law, the NFL might have to give Pelican Bay or Corcoran the next expansion team...

I've got it, the Folsom Prison Blues! Somebody get started on the uniforms, and we can get this franchise going in time for next season. Box seats cost three packs of cigs and a handie.