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ChangoLoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-20-09 04:07 PM
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Michael Moore says he advised President Chávez on his speech at the UN
Source: El Universal

In an interview broadcast on ABC, the documentary filmmaker and producer Michael Moore said he personally advised President Hugo Chávez on the speech the Venezuelan President delivered at the United Nations (UN).

In his program, American television host Jimmy Kimmel asked Moore about his experience in the Venice Film Festival and Moore told him that one day at 2 o'clock in the morning he went to a floor at the hotel where Chávez was staying to know what the origin of the noise was. "Then, a man opened the door, a President's bodyguard (referring to Foreign Minister Nicolás Maduro). Chávez was right behind him."

"A bottle and a half of tequila later," Moore said that he advised President Chávez about his upcoming speech at the UN General Assembly. The filmmaker added that it was not appropriate that Chávez has called former US President George W. Bush "the devil." The documentary director told him that he could use more hopeful words. When I saw Chávez's speech a few weeks later, I wondered: "where is my part of the deal? I should ask him for a year of free gasoline."

Read more: http://english.eluniversal.com/2009/10/20/en_pol_art_michael-moore-says-h_20A2924491.shtml
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virgogal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-20-09 04:21 PM
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1. The once terrific Moore has become a complete ass IMHO.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-20-09 04:24 PM
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4. Michael Moore is better than ever.
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-20-09 04:26 PM
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5. I don't understand that
Why?


Cher

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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 05:34 AM
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14. Please see Reply 13 (which I posted before reading Reply 6). Some posters
stand out. Yeah, stand out. That's it. That's the ticket.



;-)
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-20-09 04:29 PM
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6. have you honestly ever liked the man?
he seems a bit too leftist for you.
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virgogal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-20-09 04:32 PM
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7. For God's sake I was one of the few regular viewers of his TV show.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 05:35 AM
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15. Well that answers the question. Probably not in the way you intended, tho.
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tiny elvis Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-20-09 05:08 PM
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9. over my head
enemy of the state?
tequila drinker?
doesn't hate bush enough?
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 05:38 AM
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16. For those on the right, the first one.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 05:30 AM
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13. That opinion seems consistent with your posts about other subjects.
Not the typical Massachusetts Democrat.
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virgogal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 04:29 PM
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30. And what,exactly,is a typical Massachusetts Democrat? I've been
a registered one since 1953 and still haven't figured it out.

Enlighten me,please.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 10:43 AM
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20. Moore's at the top of his game and his latest movie confirms that.
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 04:34 PM
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33. Where in the fuck is that coming from?
Been listening to the lying, whoring, slave-driving corporate media for too long?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 04:40 PM
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34. I don't know about a complete ass but this story that likely began in fun
gets close to ugly several times. Especially in this part that Eva points out:

"Incrediously, Moore says he went upstairs and knocked right on Chávez's door and a large man answered, who Moore claims was the president's "bodyguard". Chávez was right behind him and caught a glimpse of Moore and yelled out "Michael Moore, come on in!". Anyone who has ever traveled or been close to President Chávez knows very well that it is absolutely impossible to just "go knock on his door". Presidential security lines the hallways, elevators and all entrance points. Take it from someone who knows first hand. Moore's story is complete and utter fiction. Also the man Moore identified in the interview as Chávez's "bodyguard" is actually Foreign Minister Nicolás Maduro, but hey, all latinos look alike!"
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-20-09 04:21 PM
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2. Michael Moore once replied back to me on AOL Chat.
That was cool.

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ChangoLoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-20-09 04:23 PM
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3. The video
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ChangoLoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-20-09 04:44 PM
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8. Venezuelan govt could feel offended by M Moore
For those of you who can read spanish... article from Ultimas Noticias (taken from RNV)

Gollinger: Gobierno Nacional debe solicitar rectificación a cineasta Michael Moore

El Gobierno venezolano debe solicitar la rectificación en torno a las falsas declaraciones emitidas por el cineasta estadounidense, Michael Moore, contra el presidente Hugo Chávez, realizadas durante la intervención de Moore en un programa de televisión de Estados Unidos, así lo señaló la abogada y escritora Eva Golinger.

Durante su intervención en el programa "Táctica y Estrategía" que transmite Radio Nacional de Venezuela (RNV), Goliger destacó que los señalamientos de Moore son insólitos, y ridiculizan la figura del primer mandatario nacional, "al vincularlo con alcohol, borrachera y rumba"; al tiempo que sus declaraciones son racistas al estereotiparlo "como el típico latino bebedor de tequila".

Además Moore expresó en esta misma entrevista que el presidente venezolano le pidió escribir su discurso que pronunciaría ante la Asamblea General de las Naciones Unidas, la cual se celebró el pasado mes de septiembre. El cineasta estadounidense se proclamó autor de pronunciado por el Jefe de Estado ante este organismo; en tal sentido, Eva Golinger calificó a Moore como cobarde.

En tal contexto, subrayó que el cineasta debería rectificar, puesto que el presidente Chávez ha sido muy generoso con él, promoviendo y aplaudiendo su trabajo, además de haberle otorgado tres horas de su tiempo para conversar con él.

Golinger consideró que es una falta de respeto hacia la figura del Presidente, por lo que es preciso el derecho de reclamar esta rectificación, al tiempo que el cineasta profirió mentiras, lo que puede denominarse una difamación.

Finalmente, la investigadora norteamericana reiteró el Gobierno Nacional tiene el completo derecho de solicitar la reconsideración de Michael Moore, así como la rectificación de esta gran mentira al medio de comunicación que realizó la entrevista.

RNV

http://www.ultimasnoticias.com.ve/capriles/cadena-global/detalle.aspx?idart=2534225&idcat=56657&tipo=2
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Krashkopf Donating Member (965 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-20-09 05:35 PM
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10. Yo hablo espanol muy mal
al tiempo que sus declaraciones son racistas al estereotiparlo "como el típico latino bebedor de tequila


My highschool Spanish is very rusty, but it looks like the Venezualans think Moore made "racist stereotypes" likening Chavez to a "typical latino tequila drinker."
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ChangoLoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-20-09 05:37 PM
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11. right
Gollinger said he was a liar and a coward as well
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 10:45 AM
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21. I've noticed you're getting crickets to this post....
Not surprising.
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ChangoLoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 02:25 PM
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26. some look desoriented
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Qutzupalotl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 11:52 AM
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23. Are they claiming there was no tequila?
Edited on Wed Oct-21-09 11:54 AM by Qutzupalotl
Or are they saying it's racist to mention it?
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ChangoLoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 02:26 PM
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27. I think both
take a look at the answer from Eva Golinger...
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 04:33 PM
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32. Eva Golinger mentions photographs which show the men's conversation
and there are no bottles in evidence.
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-20-09 05:46 PM
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12. Rove's pal won't like this one bit
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 05:41 AM
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17. As opposed to all the things about Moore that Rove's pals do like?
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 05:45 AM
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18. Not for nutin', but anyone who shows up at 2 am at the hotel room of a head of state he's never met
is very lucky the bodyguard is not a hothead.

Maybe Moore had started on the tequila before it occurred to him to do that?
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Qutzupalotl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 11:57 AM
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24. The OP says Moore went to investigate a noise in the hotel at 2 am.
I've done that even without tequila.

People are rude.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 04:08 PM
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29. After Fred went off with Daphne...
It was just Michael, Scoob, and Velma creeping through the dimly lit hotel.
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 06:30 AM
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19. I like Moore and the work he does...he is better than ever..nt
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 11:16 AM
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22. Good. I hope he talked some sense into him.
I do not hate nor love Chavez - I'm mixed in fact

He started out doing a lot of good. A vanguard of Liberalism when the rest of the world was kowtowing to the US.

Then, with increased powers, he started doing things a despot would do. Shutting down opposition networks, etc.

All things considered, I think hes a good leader for Venezuela. But power can make good people do bad things.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 04:32 PM
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31. I think you're a naughty, naughty DUer, Taverner, you never ever liked Ugo,
Edited on Wed Oct-21-09 04:34 PM by Joe Chi Minh
and you're telling fibsticks.

All his elections were won democratically and easily, and he has been extraordinarily patient and long-suffering. I can't imagine any other national leader putting up with them for so long.
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ChangoLoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 02:19 PM
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25. Eva Golinger writes to Moore :)
The (unfortunate) Lies of Michael Moore (about Hugo Chávez)

Submitted by Eva Golinger on October 20th, 2009.

In an interview last October 9th on Jimmy Kimmel Live!, the renowned and award-winning documentarian, Michael Moore lied vulgarly about his encounter with Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez during the Venice Film Festival this past September. In the interview, Moore responds to Kimmel’s request for an explanation of a photo of Moore with President Hugo Chávez. Apparently embarrased about the encounter with one of Latin America’s most prominent and influential heads of state, Moore proceeded to completely make up a fairy-tale, attempting to pass it off as reality.

With a straight face, Moore stated he met President Chávez at 2 o’clock in the morning, after he and his wife had settled into bed in their Venice hotel room and heard a scandalous noise coming from the floor above. Moore states that he called down to the reception to find out “what the hell was going on”. “It’s the president of Venezuela”, the hotel clerk allegedly told Moore. Well, Michael couldn’t believe it, so despite his wife telling him “don’t go”, Moore set out, determined to find out if the true source of the scandal was really the Venezuelan president, the polemic Hugo Chávez.

Incrediously, Moore says he went upstairs and knocked right on Chávez’s door and a large man answered, who Moore claims was the president’s “bodyguard”. Chávez was right behind him and caught a glimpse of Moore and yelled out “Michael Moore, come on in!”. Anyone who has ever traveled or been close to President Chávez knows very well that it is absolutely impossible to just “go knock on his door”. Presidential security lines the hallways, elevators and all entrance points. Take it from someone who knows first hand. Moore’s story is complete and utter fiction. Also the man Moore identified in the interview as Chávez’s “bodyguard” is actually Foreign Minister Nicolás Maduro, but hey, all latinos look alike!

The tale continues. Moore says he entered the room and a “bottle and a half of tequila later”, he was writing Chávez’s speeches! Of course, Michael, all of us Latin Americans drink tequila! Man, he couldn’t even get his alcohol right in his fairy tale! Tequila is Mexican, Michael. Venezuela makes rum. Get it straight. And anyway, President Chávez does not drink at all and is well known for his anti-alcohol position. But in Moore’s story, latinos are all a bunch of partiers! No work, just party, drinks and fun at 2am!

Moore is exceptionally full of himself towards the end of the interview with Jimmy Kimmel. He says Chávez asked him for advice about his upcoming United Nations speech. Moore sternly told the South American president to “say sorry for calling Bush the devil, “el diablo”” during his last UN intervention. And to say this time around it’s all about the “hope”! Way to defend Bush, Michael! Wait, didn’t you write, direct and film Farhenheit 9/11? Right, but when someone “non-US” tells it like it is, you get way patriotic. I get it.

The interview ended with Michael fully praising himself for yet another one of President Chávez’s brilliant United Nations’ speeches. “When I heard the first few lines of his speech”, says Moore, “it was exactly what I had written for him!” Michael, Michael. Don’t you know that Chávez doesn’t use a teleprompter? Where we come from, speeches are made from the heart and soul, and not written by an elite team of 20 writers and then read from transparent screens. And Michael, do you really think that flattering yourself at this point, after you have lied so tremendously, is appropriate? Arrogantly, Moore joked that Chávez should give him a “year of free gasoline” for writing his speech. At least he didn’t say bananas.

Michael Moore has been known for his documentary work; filming and telling “facts”. But on this ocassion, Moore has turned into the worst of yellow journalists, a liar and story-teller on the big screen. Despite the fact that Moore insisted ”no cameras” document his meeting with President Chávez in Venice, the official Venezuelan presidential press snapped a few photos, and there were many witnesses. The photographs evidence a Michael Moore and a President Chávez serenly sitting in two chairs talking. No tequila, no parties, no scandals, just a normal meeting between a head of state and an invited guest. In fact, the real meeting lasted three hours, without tequila.

Michael Moore prohibited cameras in the meeting because, per his own words, it wasn’t “convenient” for him to been seen with Chávez. Despite the fact that every presidential meeting has been documented by the official press, this time, they defered to Moore with respect. He was, after all, an admired figure by millions of Venezuela. But, the presidential press was able to capture a few photos of the encounter. These photos now are the key evidence to expose Michael Moore’s vulgar lies about his meeting with President Chávez.

Moore’s comentaries about President Chávez asking him to “help” write his United Nations speech demonstrate Moore’s extreme ego. President Chávez is one of the most brilliant speakers in the world, with an immense capacity to bring together a variety of ideas while being coherent. Of course, Chávez nourishes his speeches and talks with ideas, experiencies and the writings of many, but for those of us who spend almost every day listening and watching President Chávez, we know that nobody writes his speeches, not even him! He speaks from his heart, and not from a teleprompter!

Moore’s declarations against President Chávez are offensive and insulting and a clear sign of his hipocresy and lack of ethic. How many times has we heard President Chávez acclaim Moore’s books and documentaries? And most recently, Chávez announced that Moore’s latest documentary, “Capitalism, a love story”, would premiere here in Venezuela.

Moore’s response to this admiration, acclaim and support is to lie and ridicule President Chávez and the people of Venezuela, and to attempt, lamely, to justify his meeting with Chávez. Because in the end, this whole ridiculous tale told by Moore about his “meeting” with President Chávez is an attempt to avoid admitting before the US media that he met for three hours with the South American “dictator”. And he probably learned a lot, and liked it!

Michael Moore is a most unfortunate coward.


http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/blog/eva/4877
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 04:50 PM
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35. Normally, I wouldn't be so pedantic as to comment on the spelling in a serious
Edited on Wed Oct-21-09 04:51 PM by Joe Chi Minh
article, Ms Gollinger. However, since yours isn't a serious article, but a little splenetic ego-trip, I have to tell you that there is no such word in the Engish language as "incrediously"; it's too unrecognisable for your spell-checker to have picked it up, but I notice you didn't bother to use yours, anyway. You can be "incredulous", or you can be "incredible" (you happen to be both), but you can't be not "incredious".

If Spanish is your first language, I expect your spelling isn't too good in that, either. But rather than bother with your spelling, which is probably incorrigible, you should try to understand why, in the Judaeo-Christian tradition, far-right wing politics is a short-cut to hell.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 04:54 PM
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36. Eva is a lefty and a Chavez advocate
and this OP is meant to stir up sentiment against her, Chavez AND Moore. Very economical. :)

She's an attorney. I don't know what is up with the spelling, if she translated it or if someone else did. It looks like someone else because she's very good in both languages.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 05:12 PM
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37. Wow! thanks for that. I'm very puzzled.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 05:27 PM
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39. I went to her site and it looks like it was her translation.
Maybe she was just in a hurry.

Her reaction was a little over the top but to be fair, Moore did tell about his meeting in the tradition of pastoral comedy, where a more sophisticated narrator tells you about an adventure with rubes that ends with him getting bested. That's as old as storytelling. Mike probably just wasn't aware how it would play.

Eva was one of the first people to track down money going from NED/USAID right into the pockets of the Ven opposition. She's done a hundred things like that.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 06:14 PM
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42. To tell the truth, I scanned a part of it and noticed the very hostile tone. It
didn't make sense to me in that progressives need all the friends they can find, particularly someone with Michael's clout. And what with Ugo being under constant, if covert, siege.

I find it astonishing that she could get in a state about untintentional slights by Michael on the latino people, while he was playing to an audience who didn't take an imputation of drinking tequila and that sort of thing as social slights. She evidently moves in more sophisticated circles. Social pretensions, however well-founded, are just out of place. She reminds me of the woman in the Edinburgh pharmacy who told a drug addict, "high" at the time, and holding a piece of wood at her throat, that "they" didn't "serve his sort". Then was most solicitous when he caught his sleeve on the door handle on his way out - some such difficulty.

And why cowardly? I expect in some regards she noticed he was. I expect he's sometimes less than admirable. But who of us are hot-shots all the time, right across the board. And who of us have managed to do for people what he has done with his films? Few of us are not cowards in one respect or another, probably several, but Michael's, surely, taken more than his fair share of risks.
I think Eva should have shown a little more imagination. Michael was pitching his story at the admiration of the picaresque "outlaw", most men have, but perhaps most women don't. (I remember the trouble I had trying to explain to Ho's Chi's mother...).

If some of his words inadvertenty reflected racist attitudes, so what? Though inadvertent, they seem to be real, unfortunately, if American films are any indication, and he's speaking to his own people. Not as an exemplar but as a "regular guy", warts and all. He's not a diplomat, but his work is more honest - and more valuable to North and South America.

Still, perhaps if Eva had been more aware of that kind of bigger picture, she wouldn't have had the terrier-like instinct for investigative reporting she evidently has.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 06:38 PM
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43. Yeah, I agree with you. She was over the top.
Mike was working in a form and I doubt he expected anyone to take him literally. I think the surprise at being "put down" by someone considered an ally triggered the defense before the nature of the story really sank in.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 03:50 PM
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28. Good for Moore & Chavez!
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Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 05:13 PM
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38. Maybe Chavez can seize a chalet and give it to Moore in appreciation nt
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 05:31 PM
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40. The media had him seizing his own property last week. It has to be something different this week.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 05:39 PM
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41. Get Over It! Michael Moore Is A Comedian
... The man was making a joke. In poor taste? Perhaps. Not well thought out? Maybe. But a diplomatic insult to President Chavez. Get over yourself ... The man is a comedian. He makes his living making people laugh. His movies have all had a biting wit to them that makes people keep coming back. And they learn something from them. Like that Fidel Castro is not the 3 headed monster that the US State Department and the CIA have made him out to be. That his socialist state can actually produce a better health care system than the Oh So Capitalist! United States of North America can ... There are far more important things to be upset about than some lame jokes on a second rate late night talk show ... http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/letter/4878
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 08:01 AM
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44. A comedian who makes his living making people laugh? That would be Jay Leno, not
Edited on Thu Oct-22-09 08:06 AM by No Elephants
Michael Moore. Sure, Moore has a sense of humor, but people don't go to his films for the yucks alone. I agree people need to get over the tequila bit, but I don't think Moore is only, or even mostly, a comedian.
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