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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 12:00 PM
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Snowe to vote YES on Baucus bill - breaking on MSNBC
Edited on Tue Oct-13-09 12:21 PM by Bozita
Source: MSNBC

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Bill Nelson says Collins may follow Snowe.

Red banner across top of link page reads:
BREAKING NEWS: Republican Sen. Snowe says she will vote for health care overhaul


Now posted from AP:

Snowe says she'll back the Baucus health bill
The $829B plan would require most Americans to purchase insurance










updated 3 minutes ago
WASHINGTON - A Republican senator says she will vote for a Democratic health care bill, breaking with her party on President Barack Obama's top legislative item.

Sen. Olympia Snowe kept virtually all of Washington guessing how she would vote until she announced it late in the Senate Finance Committee debate Tuesday. Until then, she told reporters, she had not even let Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, a Democrat, in on her secret.

She told her colleagues: "When history calls, history calls" even though she had some criticism of the bill.

Democrats, aware that Snowe could be the only Republican in Congress to vote for their health care overhaul, have spent months addressing her concerns about making health care affordable and how to pay for it.

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Read more: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33290417/ns/politics-health_care_reform/
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 12:04 PM
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1. Of course they will
It's a Repuke bill.
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 12:34 PM
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14. "They" who? She's the one and only repub who will vote for the bill in the committee and
probably in the Senate as a whole. A real "Repuke bill" would have overwhelming repub support with "they" trying to attract enough Democrats to pass it. In this case, of course, the repubs are overwhelmingly against it and are trying to attract enough Democrats (who might think it's too much reform, not enough reform, the wrong kind of reform-the repubs don't care which) to defeat it.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 12:53 PM
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20. "They" = Snowe & Collins
You know, possibly the only two actual Republicans left in the Senate (the rest are either fascists on the GOP side, or they're posing as "Democrats" in the DLC or Blue Balled Coward Coalition.)

Not that I'd take Bill Nelson's word for anything, but it seems plausible that Snowe could talk Collins into it.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 12:05 PM
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2. Do you think that enhances or reduces her bargaining power?
I am really not sure how I feel about this. Mixed opinions.
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Pab Sungenis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 12:05 PM
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3. Great. Now we need three Democrats to vote against it.
Clue: the fact that a Republican is supporting this bill is a testament to what a bad bill it is.
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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 01:18 PM
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22. Does Lieberman count?
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 12:08 PM
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4. Didn't I predict this weeks ago?
It's a done deal. Snowe's "defection" will mean that the Baucus bill will acquire the mantle of "bipartisan," and thus the momentum will be irresistible to adopt it as written. In other words: individual mandate, but no public option or employer mandate.

Say hello to your new health-care system: same as the old health-care system, except now with legal compulsion to make you pay whatever the insurance industry wants. :puke:

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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 12:14 PM
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6. Why are you ignoring the 4 other bills?
Edited on Tue Oct-13-09 12:14 PM by tridim
And the promise that the final bill will have a strong PO?

You're giving Snowe WAY too much credit here. She's a moderate Republican, nothing more, nothing less. Most Conservatives hate her for the same reasons they hate all Democrats. She will be labeled as a defector, not a champion of bipartisanship.
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 12:22 PM
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11. I predict that promise will evaporate within days...
Edited on Tue Oct-13-09 12:24 PM by regnaD kciN
...as the rationale will become "we can have a bipartisan bill that can get 60 votes without a public option, or a bill with a public option that can't get those votes; don't let the perfect become the enemy of the good."

The fact is, the Democrats have foolishly plighted their troth at the altar of "bipartisanship" -- which made us hostages to any single Republican in a position to force his (or, in this case, her) positions down everyone's throat in exchange for their eventual vote. The end result? A Republican bill shoved through by the Democratic leadership, under threat of Democrats looking weak "if we don't approve something."

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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 12:42 PM
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17. The Democrats know that abandoning the PO will mean torches and pitchforks
..and a massive loss in 2010.

There will be a PO in the final bill that reaches Obama's desk. Period.
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FREEDOM61 Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 12:51 PM
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19. I agree it's not being Igor,
It's just we don't like it. In my life and some peoples i talk to and work very hard to get Obama elected. Did not vote for him on this BILL, He have forgotten that Hillary Clinton didn't win. He did, I and the peoples i help register to vote,Was going to vote for her until this mandate came along. And we went for him now it seem he is turning his back on the people who got Him elected throwing use all to the sharks! the BIG INSURANCE COMPANIES.
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GinaMaria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 01:18 PM
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21. This is the new ins Co strategy
They've figured out the real profit is in selling individual insurance, not group/employer based insurance. Group insurance spreads the risk and lowers the cost. Individual insurance doesn't spread risk. The individual pays out the nose. This new 'marketing strategy' works great when you've got the government in your pocket.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 12:08 PM
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5. If Snowe stomps down the grass and gets branches out of the way, Collins will follow. nt
OS: Sue, let me do the talking here...

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joeycola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 12:15 PM
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7. Voting for the insurance companies. Why would she not?
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pscot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 12:17 PM
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8. After all, it IS her bill
Wonder how her fellow republicans will take that. According to Josh Marshall they are already threatening reprisals if she votes for the bill in committee.
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RooseveltTruman Donating Member (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 12:20 PM
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9. I'm not...
a big fan of the Baucus bill, and i'm hoping that the final version will have a strong public option (as has been promised by certain quarters), but let's not trash Ms. Snowe. I respect her for (regularly) bucking and criticizing the ultra-right wing of her party and staying true to her personal convictions and the interests of her constituents. She's one of the few remaining moderate Republicans (which in and of itself I think is laudable) and her civility--as well as her comprehension of facts and her refusal to distort them--are worthy of our respect and admiration.
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 12:21 PM
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10. So what. Who needs her? We have a majority.
It's a lovely touch, but just window dressing.

This bill belongs to the Dems. They are responsible for making it good or a crock.
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 12:32 PM
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12. Whoopy, fuckin', doo........... I mean, who at this point gives a fuck?..........
..........This bill is a piece of shit however you cut it. At the very least we need STRICT reforms on the insurance industry AND a strong public option. The latest "threat" from the insurance proves it.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 12:33 PM
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13. Of course she will.
n/t
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SandWalker1984 Donating Member (533 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 12:36 PM
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15. I will not cheerlead the corporate fix
Edited on Tue Oct-13-09 12:38 PM by SandWalker1984
This story from August explains what the insurance companies have "bought" as health insurance (forget health care) reform:

Business Week
Cover Story August 6, 2009, 5:00PM
The Health Insurers Have Already Won
How UnitedHealth and rival carriers, maneuvering behind the scenes in Washington, shaped health-care reform for their own benefit
By Chad Terhune and Keith Epstein

BusinessWeek

As the health reform fight shifts this month from a vacationing Washington to congressional districts and local airwaves around the country, much more of the battle than most people realize is already over. The likely victors are insurance giants such as UnitedHealth Group (UNH), Aetna (AET), and WellPoint (WLP). The carriers have succeeded in redefining the terms of the reform debate to such a degree that no matter what specifics emerge in the voluminous bill Congress may send to President Obama this fall, the insurance industry will emerge more profitable. Health reform could come with a $1 trillion price tag over the next decade, and it may complicate matters for some large employers. But insurance CEOs ought to be smiling.
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Impressing fiscally conservative Democrats like Matheson, a leader of the House of Representatives' Blue Dog Coalition, is at the heart of UnitedHealth's strategy. It boils down to ensuring that whatever overhaul Congress passes this year will help rather than hurt huge insurance companies.

Some Republicans have threatened to make health reform Obama's "Waterloo," as Senator Jim DeMint of South Carolina has put it. The President has fired back at what he considers GOP obstructionism. Meanwhile, big insurance companies have quietly focused on what they see as their central challenge: shaping the views of moderate Democrats.

The industry has already accomplished its main goal of at least curbing, and maybe blocking altogether, any new publicly administered insurance program that could grab market share from the corporations that dominate the business. UnitedHealth has distinguished itself by more deftly and aggressively feeding sophisticated pricing and actuarial data to information-starved congressional staff members. With its rivals, the carrier has also achieved a secondary aim of constraining the new benefits that will become available to tens of millions of people who are currently uninsured. That will make the new customers more lucrative to the industry.

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Obama launched his Administration vowing to extend coverage to all Americans and help pay for it by reining in insurance costs. Seven months later, insurers and pharmaceutical manufacturers that appeared vulnerable to a regulatory crackdown have been welcomed to the negotiating table by the President's own party.

The several competing bills pending in Congress would guarantee all Americans access to health coverage, addressing the plight of the 47 million who are now uninsured. Congress plans to achieve that by expanding Medicaid, the government program for the poor and disabled; requiring insurers to accept all applicants regardless of their health; and mandating that everyone purchase coverage. Government subsidies would make the obligatory coverage more affordable.

The legislation would do little, however, to slow spending by Medicare, the public program for senior citizens, or cut overall medical costs. Congress is considering taxes on the wealthy and on benefits now provided to many white-collar workers.

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And that Democratic proposal to tax insurance companies? It seems to be fading after the industry said it would raise rates for workers and their families.

UnitedHealth's relationship with Democratic Senator Mark R. Warner of Virginia illustrates the industry's subtle role. Elected last fall, Warner, a former governor of his state and a wealthy ex-businessman, received a choice assignment as the Senate Democrats' liaison to business. The rookie senator landed in the center of a high-visibility political drama—and in a position to earn the gratitude of a health insurance industry that has donated more than $19 million to federal candidates since 2007, 56% of which has gone to Democrats.

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Obama's promise to boost competition and lower costs by having the government play a much broader role in health coverage has been steadily compromised because of the resistance of such Democrats as Warner. "There are different ways to skin this and get competition" in the insurance market, Warner says.

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UnitedHealth lobbyists routinely cite Lewin's work, as do Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-Utah), the second-ranking Republican on the Senate Finance Committee, and Eric Cantor (R-Va.), the House Republican Whip. Left out of these testimonials or buried in the fine print is that a UnitedHealth unit owns the Lewin Group and thus is ultimately responsible for Sheils' paycheck. In an interview, Sheils says UnitedHealth gives him and the Lewin firm complete independence: "We call it like we see it," he adds.

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UnitedHealth brings a mixed record to its role helping to guide health reform. The company has repeatedly hit smaller employers and consumers with double-digit rate hikes in recent years, far greater than the overall rate of inflation. An investigation last year by New York's Attorney General will force the company to stop running two huge databases used widely within the insurance industry. By allegedly setting medical reimbursements too low—that is, skewing statistics in favor of insurers by understating "usual and customary" physician fees—the databases had resulted in the overcharging of consumers by billions of dollars nationwide. In January, UnitedHealth agreed to resolve the situation by paying $400 million in a pair of agreements with the New York Attorney General and the American Medical Assn., although it didn't admit any wrongdoing.

In a separate case last year, UnitedHealth was forced to stop selling "limited benefit" plans with capped payouts under the imprimatur of the senior citizen group AARP. It turned out that the policies provided very modest coverage, catching many customers off guard, according to Senator Charles E. Grassley (R-Iowa), who helped bring the practice to light. Grassley pointed out that UnitedHealth paid as little as $5,000 toward surgery costing several times as much.

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Hemsley, a former chief financial officer of the now-defunct Arthur Andersen accounting firm, generally shuns the spotlight. But when health reform became a central issue in the runup to the last Presidential election, company executives say they realized UnitedHealth needed to go on the offensive. Hemsley met with White House officials on May 15 and May 22 to promote his company's prescription for cutting federal health spending.

In August 2007, the company hired Sommer, who previously headed global lobbying for Goldman Sachs (GS). He quickly built a new Washington team of former congressional aides and other K Street operatives. One key acquisition: Cory Alexander, former chief of staff for House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.), an influential moderate Democrat. Alexander had been lobbying for the huge mortgage financier Fannie Mae (FNM). Today, Sommer directs a team of nearly 50 people from UnitedHealth's spacious Washington office on Pennsylvania Avenue, equidistant between the Capitol and White House. The company spent more than $3.4 million on in-house and outside lobbying in the first half of 2009.

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What people in Washington tend not to discuss, at least on the record, is the open secret that insurers are minimizing their forecasts of the eventual windfall they will enjoy from expanded coverage for Americans.

A fundamental question about the health overhaul is what minimum standards will apply to the coverage all Americans will be required to have. UnitedHealth has been exchanging a high volume of information on the topic with members of the Senate Finance Committee and their staff. Stevens, the former British health aide, regularly scans PowerPoint presentations generated by the committee staff that attempt to calculate the actuarial value of proposed benefit packages. Senators stung by the projected $1 trillion price tag are winnowing down the required coverage levels to cut costs.

This is good news for UnitedHealth, which benefits when patients pick up more of the tab. In late spring, the Finance Committee was assuming a 76% reimbursement rate on average, meaning consumers would be responsible for paying the remaining 24% of their medical bills, in addition to their insurance premiums. Stevens and his UnitedHealth colleagues urged a more industry-friendly ratio. Subsequently the committee reduced the reimbursement figure to 65%, suggesting a 35% contribution by consumers—more in line with what the big insurer wants. The final figures are still being debated.


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The Democrats have sold out our welfare to the insurance companies in the name of greed.

Better to kill this so called health care reform bill now than let the insurance companies screw us even more, especially if we are MANDATED to buy their overpriced, under delivering crap excuse for health insurance.


This is some more of Obama Orwell's change that we cannot believe in.
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FREEDOM61 Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 01:26 PM
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23. I agree with you Sand Walker1984 100%
Democrats have sold the American people OUT! We know now who run Congress and the White House.The BIG CORPORATIONS. It's a pledge to drive and it's my chose to BUY a car.It sure not penalties me for breathing on God green earth.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 12:38 PM
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16. It's a shitty bill, regardless of who votes for it. nt
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 12:48 PM
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18. anyone really surprised by this?
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