Poll: No bounce for Bush

[NeoConsSuck]

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/polls/2004-03-08-poll_x.htm

WASHINGTON (USATODAY.com) — President Bush got no bounce from his first foray last week onto the campaign trail against Democrat John Kerry, a new USA TODAY/CNN/Gallup Poll shows.


Despite a series of speeches in which he attacked the Massachusetts senator's record and warned that the country would not be safe under his leadership, the poll shows that if the election were today, Kerry would beat Bush, by eight percentage points — 52% to 44% — among likely voters (Complete poll results).

[wryter2000]

1. 8 points!

Wow.

Chimpy is going down the gurgler!

[dArKeR]

62. Eroding support - George 'aWol' Bush

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4482401/

[Fight_n_back]

2. Bush has all the votes he will get

his only chance is to poison the waters for Kerry. This is going to be a really ugly campaign.

[Katha]

6. I agree

It's going to be a long and bitter fight. I'd love to be able to fast-forward to January 2005 when President Kerry is sworn in.

[0007]

22. January 2005 when President Kerry is sworn in.

.....and on that day I want to see a photo or video of Barbara Bush.

[onehandle]

23. Not me...

I'm through with her.

[kath]

54. Bwahahahaha!! Good one, onehandle!

And dint'cha LOVE Franken's book?

[Demonaut]

30. the sad election will ruin her beautiful mind

what a pompous bitch

[BeatleBoot]

33. Lol!

[pompano]

29. Good Point ...

Yang...We gotta watch the BBV machines though.

[newyawker99]

66. Hi pompano!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Beetwasher]

3. I'm Surprised he Didn't Plummet Actually: The BEST Part Though!!!

But hey, this is still good...Best part is this:

"Bush was on the defensive against Democratic attacks that he was politicizing a national tragedy by using images of the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center."

"More than half of those surveyed — 54% — said Bush's use of the images in the ads was inappropriate."

--snip--

The ads can't be discussed anywhere without this being pointed out. Ha Ha!

Where are all the putzes saying only Bush haters would be offended by the ads?

Also:

"Bush's approval rating fell back to an all-time low of 49%. It has floated in a narrow range, just above or below 50%, since mid-January."

Oh My!

[ElementaryPenguin]

48. And Rove doesn't know what to do except harp on 9-11!! They're fucked!

Chimp going down bigtime! Look out for terror alerts!

[papau]

4. Nader seems a 2% factor at most - but makes Kerry lead only 6 points

From the poll:

Now suppose Ralph Nader runs as an independent candidate, who would you be most likely to vote for: Kerry, the Democrat, Bush, the Republican,or Nader, the independent?

Kerry Bush Nader None Other No opinion
2004 MAR 5-7
Likely Voters 50 44 2 1 1 2
Registered Voters 47 45 5 1 * 2
National Adults 47 44 5 1 1 2


Are you certain now that you will vote for John Kerry or George W. Bush for president next fall, or do you think you may change your mind between now and the November election?

Vote for Kerry, certain Vote for Kerry, may change mind Vote for Bush, may change mind Vote for Bush, certain No opinion
2004 MAR 5-7
Likely Voters 45 7 6 38 4
Registered Voters 40 10 9 36 5
National Adults 39 11 10 35 5

Bush polled better than Kerry on handling terrorism issues (60%-33%), the situation in Iraq (54%-39%), gay marriage (46%-41%) and foreign affairs (50%-42%).

[54anickel]

46. Ha! Shrub polled better on what he considers key issues in this

election, yet still looses the polls for votes!

Bush polled better than Kerry on handling terrorism issues (60%-33%), the situation in Iraq (54%-39%), gay marriage (46%-41%) and foreign affairs (50%-42%).

Does that mean it's still the economy, stupid or something else?

[lancdem]

50. Where did you get those numbers?

According to the article, Nader's 2 percent is in the same poll with Kerry having the 8-point lead.

[papau]

51. Likely Voters 50 44 2 1 1 2 is a 6 point lead w/ Nader @2% n/t

n/t

[Dirty Hippie]

5. I guess he had a "dead cat" bounce.

Isn't that a stock market related term for stocks that go nowhere?

[Terran]

41. I don't think he even had a dead cat bounce

A "dead cat" bounce means a rise in stocks based purely on some novel news story; basically, a rise with no momentum or meaning behind it. Bush has had a few of those, most notably with the Iraq invasion, and then with Saddam's capture. It's pretty noticeable that a whole week of campaigning resulted in *no* change at all! That means the voters are basically going, "Uh, ok, ya got anything new, dipsh*t? No? OK, buh by."

[RhodaGrits]

55. Dead cat bounce is a rise for no apparent reason after a big fall

- that even a dead cat will bounce if thrown down far, hard and fast. Gruesome but that's it. Bush didn't even get that, just splat.

[BadGimp]

7. This can only mean 1 thing...

We are due for a major terror event intended to reinforce the notion that Amerika needs Bush to protect us from the big bad terraists.

I suspect the BUshistas will go nukeular in their attempts to instill fear in the heats of the NASCAR crowds.

I'd bet that we will see Osama make his appearance in a internation perp walk. But that won;t give * the lift he needs...go to plan B.

[Barrett808]

12. "The people of SF are an endangered species." -- Jeb Bush

If defrosting Osama isn't enough...

[Dhalgren]

13. Surely there are people among Bush's handlers

who understand that if we get a big "terrorist event" now, it will look as though Bush CAN'T protect the country. Bush is between a rock and a hard place when it comes to trotting out another LIHOP/MIHOP event, because there will be no cover for him - it will be the 2nd TE on his watch - a lose/lose situation for him.

[sendero]

31. I agree...

... he'd better make sure we don't get another serious terra event because if we do his doom is SEALED.

He got one free pass. That is all he is going to get.

[rexcat]

37. If there is a terrorists attack

the Democrats can use it as justification of getting rid of Bush* since he would have let another attack happen! It's all in your perspective. One needs to frame the argument correctly!

[MUAD_DIB]

60. Yes. Excellent point.

Perfect.

[SammyWinstonJack]

63. bush* has all ready made the claim that Kerry would be soft

on terrorism. If there is another terror attack on the chimps' watch, he'll be the one seen as soft on terrorism. Agreed, "a lose/lose situation for him."

[Zero Gravitas]

15. how's that?

How would another attack "reinforce the notion that Amerika needs Bush to protect us"? Surely it would indicate that Bush* failed to protect the country from terrorists.

[maggrwaggr]

26. what it would do is give him an excuse to go to martial law

and "postpone" the election in the fall

It wouldn't be a PR stunt, that's for sure

[Poiuyt]

38. That's what Gen Tommy Franks thought

And I think he's a little old to still be called "Tommy."

[prodigal_green]

45. I thought that for a while

but it would absolutely doom the economy, so that doesn't seem like a very smart move. Also, it would prove how incompetent they've been with the whole war on terror.

[Fovea]

49. If they have to play that gambit

we will be in a command economy ASAP.

[dax]

59. I think you are right...

I was researching sites on coups this weekend and some senior official said exactly that off the record. Last summer, Jay Garner said that after he left Iraq to "Cigar Aficianado" magazine in Italy, I have that printed out. He said-if we have a mass terror event, our "experiment with democracy" will be over and there won't be an election in 2004" I think if Bush's numbers get too wide, something big will happen so they can declare martial law. I also think when they invaded Haiti from the north, right where the Cuban doctors were, they were hoping CUba and Venezuela might respond and they could of got their trifecta to take them all out at once. They just couldn't buy enough Aristide Police ahead of time-you know they tried...

[ahimsa]

61. * needs a failed terra attempt

That's the only way he can "prove" his leadership is saving us from the evil ones. Like personally catching Osama in a rowboat under a crowded bridge near Manhattan with a dirty nuke under his turban with 8 seconds left on the timer (and right in the middle of the Republican convention).

[Ripley]

8. Spinning like a top. This am the talking heads said...

Kerry was doing well because he got a "bounce" from Super Tuesday. They never seem to grasp their own flawed logic. Maybe Kerry is doing well because Junior stinks and the populace smells him!

[UpInArms]

9. I distrust polls

and I shall not ease up one bit in trying to guarantee that as many people as possible know exactly what they are going to have on their hands if they don't get to the polls in November to oust this illegitimate squatter from the people's house.

8 points is good - but we need to be further apart than that to prevent the rigging of another selection.

[Poiuyt]

39. The polls have been quite inaccurate this year

But they do show that there are other people out there that do not like bush and that it's OK to vote against him without being labeled as an unpatriotic outcast.

[Malva Zebrina]

10. I am holding my breath and afraid to look

wow that is some spread--it is at the same time scary. I can imagine to what ends George Bush will go to to steal the election-another tragedy. How about an assassination attempt? I think it may be too late for that even. He and Laura will screw that up with bad acting also. It may be too late for George and no amount of money, or cries of terra terra terra, can change the American's perception of this miserable failure. :bounce:

[Dhalgren]

14. He might instigate a tradegdy not to himself,

but someone close to him - a real sympathy grabber. I wouldn't put it beneath him.

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[montana_hazeleyes]

40. Run!

Barney! Run!

[JoFerret]

42. And there's always Reagan

W likes to style himself the natural heir to Reagan. (And in many ways he is - they both stunk and stink.)

[Leilani]

11. Notice Foreign policy/ National Security

Bush beats Kerry in all Foreign policy issues; just saw results of this poll on Inside Politics.

Kerry wins on Domestic Issues

Remember these findings when choosing Veep!

[llmart]

16. I still say....

Dopey will trot out Osama in October. Bet on it.

[spinbaby]

32. Don't think that will work

The "October surprise" has been talked about too much.

[Borgnine]

17. Let me tell you what will happen...

...every week leading up to late October, Bush's numbers will drop little by little, until Kerry is leading by nearly 20 to 25 percent. Then, the week before the election, the polls will suddenly show the race as being neck and neck without any logic or reasoning.

[Mz Pip]

20. Yes

aand the pundits will all nod aand smile and say that the Mercan people really didn't want to change leaders in the middle of a war.

Scary but probably more accurate than I would like to believe.

MzPip
:dem:

[Hamlette]

18. polls from March 1996

had Clinton way ahead of Dole. Bush has some catching up to do.
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1996/polls/cnn.time/030696.shtml

It was also interesting that although more people support Kerry, more think Bush will win. Would love to know why. Afraid of rigged voting?

(edited to add link to 1996 polls.

[DrWeird]

19. "first foray" my ass

Bush has been campaigning since Sept. 12, 2001, as soon as he poked his head out of the bunker.

[Katha]

52. Don't forget

that Shrub didn't even 'poke his head out of the bunker' and get his ass to New York City until the 14th of September.

[Mari333]

21. Good news but

it makes me sad that so many US citizens dismiss the deaths of thousands of Iraqi civilians and over 600 soldiers and thousands wounded so easily.

[alarcojon]

24. More people support Kerry, but more think Bush will win

Despite the support numbers, a majority of Americans are skeptical that Kerry will actually win the election. When asked who they felt would win, regardless of whom they supported, 52% of those polled said Bush would win and 42% said Kerry would be the victor.

I have seen these types of figures before. Is this typical for an incumbent? Or are people resigned to some shenanigans, if needed, by Bush's team?

[Cooley Hurd]

28. More think Bush will win because...

...that's what FauxNews tells them to think.

[yellowcanine]

56. This is the "Harry Truman effect"

In 1948 when reporters asked people who they thought would win they said "Dewey" but that they were going to vote for Truman. We all know how that one turned out.

[alarcojon]

65. Still begs the question

Why?

[NewYorkerfromMass]

25. Are they running nationwide ads?

I see no reason to expect anything without any kind of national campaign.

[UpInArms]

34. I am being bombarded by his

sleazy simpering face in Missouri.

:puke:

Am not so certain that the tube will live through this season.

[BeatleBoot]

36. Do what I do

I use white athletic socks.

You can launch them at the TV with little damage to the set.

I use this technique in the fall, on Sunday's, when watching my local NFL team lose another game!

[reprobate]

44. The 'mute' button. the chimp really becomes comical.....

The chimp really becomes comical when you just see the face, without the voice. Great fun to put words in his mouth.

[elfwitch]

35. Bush' overall job approval is 49%

Bush' overall job approval is 49%, equal to his all-time low in late January and down 2 percentage points from two weeks ago.

Isn't it about time for some catastrophic event to pull his numbers out of the dumper like last time?

Would anybody die of shock if something happens soon when considering his approval slid?

[MnFats]

43. Kerry will need a VERY health lead that can withstand..

....
evil, vile character assassination from the grand right-wing conspiracy, likely Dem voters thrown off the voting rolls, ballot box stuffing and the dead rising to vote again.....

[struggle4progress]

58. I'd feel better ...

if Kerry's lead was enough to discredit vote-stealing games.

[0007]

47. Anyone, anyone with an ounce of brains and honesty knows that junior

is a front for a crime cabal and these thugs are only interested in money and power. If the truth were known junior's numbers would probably be in the low 30's.

[SmokeyBlues]

53. Bush's speeches?

My goodness! If Republicans are seriously counting on Bush's speeches to produce a 'bounce' in the polls, then they are even more out of touch with reality than I had imagined. I humbly suggest that they create the 'bounce' in the polls they are looking for using a tried-n-true tactic that has served them well up to this point: rigging.

[wabeewoman]

57. I really don't get it...

"He is seen as less likely than Kerry to change his positions for political reasons; 49% said Kerry would, and 37% said Bush would."
and he is stronger in foreign affairs?? The only reason for bush to have an opinion on an issue is what ever benefits him politically or economically. Sometimes changing your mind is a GOOD thing, if it turns out evidence shows you are wrong! And how in the world can anyone think he does a good job in foreign affairs-Iraq, Afganistan, Haiti, American reputation ruined and Americans more hated,alienated all our friends. HOW can they think bush is better at foreign affairs????

[PATRICK]

64. Miserable failure

That is why OTHER things than his sterling personality will be brought to bear. Surrogate attacks(but the GOP network is pretty well known), presidential incidents of fear and glory, a boost in the stock market from artificial timeliness.. Stuff like that.

Yet those cuddly pictures of Bush actually seeming to work receptive crowds has got to go. More protesters everywhere of course, but especially more Kerry among more and more enthused and concerned people has to drown out this rather pathetic triumph of the cheap photo op. Plus Bush can't campaign and go on vacation indefinitely- or dredge up image building presidential crises without blowback- can he?

Put the heat on and make him crack. He can't take eight months of constant losing pressure. The schmoe still thinks he is entitled to win in November. I want to see him chilled before spring, sweating in the summer and a roasted turkey by Thanksgiving.