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ozymandius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 04:31 AM
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STOCK MARKET WATCH, Tuesday August 25
Source: du

STOCK MARKET WATCH, Tuesday August 25, 2009

Bush Administration Officials Under Indictment = 2
Financial Sector Officials In Prison = 6

AT THE CLOSING BELL ON August 24, 2009

Dow... 9,509.28 +3.32 (+0.03%)
Nasdaq... 2,017.98 -2.92 (-0.14%)
S&P 500... 1,025.57 -0.56 (-0.05%)
Gold future... 943.70 -11.00 (-1.15%)
10-Yr Bond... 3.47 -0.10 (-2.69%)
30-Year Bond 4.26 -0.11 (-2.54%)




U.S. FUTURES & MARKETS INDICATORS
NASDAQ FUTURES..............................................S&P FUTURES


Market Conditions During Trading Hours



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ozymandius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 04:36 AM
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1. Market Observation
Shell Game Revealed?
BY ROB KIRBY


Last week, on August 19, 2009, George Milling-Stanley, Managing Director and “mouthpiece” for the World Gold Council appeared on Canada’s Business Network (BNN) and, in response to questioning about the activities of precious metals ETFs by commentator Pat Bolland, Milling-Stanley stated :
“ETFs don’t buy gold… people who buy ETFs are buying shares that are in issue and are backed by gold. If the broker-dealers who make a market in the shares of those exchange traded funds feel there is insufficient liquidity and not enough shares for them to buy on the stock exchanges “THEY” buy gold and deliver it to the trustees of the ETFs who create new shares so you can’t blame the ETF providers for anything which has happened”…
.....

The Bottom Line

Ladies and gentlemen, the World Gold Council represents itself to be the world’s foremost experts in and promoters of gold. Yet for years, against a growing backdrop of increasing global fiat money debasement and soaring investment demand, the World Gold Council (like a wolf in sheep’s clothing, perhaps?) has concentrated and emphasized the merits of gold ownership almost exclusively through jewelry. Demonstrating that they are ignorant or intentionally misguiding about the origins of precious metals ETFs is akin to professing to be a scholar of American History and not knowing that the War of Independence was fought against Great Britain, nor what century it was fought in.

http://www.financialsense.com/Market/wrapup.htm
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ozymandius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 04:38 AM
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2. Today's Reports
09:00 S&P/Case-Shiller Home Price Index Jun
Briefing.com -17.0%
Consensus -16.40%
Prior -17.06%

10:00 Consumer Confidence Aug
Briefing.com 48.0
Consensus 47.9
Prior 46.6

http://www.briefing.com/Investor/Public/Calendars/EconomicCalendar.htm
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Po_d Mainiac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 06:59 AM
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33. Good Morning
:donut: And the continued drop in RE prices indicates the market is stabilizing. We've found the bottom, right? :sarcasm: No further writedowns of MBS's/CDO's by the banksters will be needed. And the knot upside my head from my fall off the turnip truck, is healing nicely, thanks.
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 08:40 AM
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51. RE Market in Foreclosureland -- anecdotal evidence
Some friends just bought a house yesterday. They're from SF, looking to retire in 2-5 years. Their house there is paid for but they don't have huge savings for downpayment on another one. They're not looking to sell the SF property.


They've been coming over here to AZ about 3-4 times a year since 2007 to visit friends and to hunt for a house.

In 2007 they found one they liked, but couldn't afford the $350K asking price. It was built in 2006 at which time the tag was $400K, but unsold a year later as the market plunged. It eventually sold in late 2007 for $320K.

The 2007 buyer never moved in. It's been sitting empty since built in 2006. A RE management company has maintained it to HOA specifications.

While not in foreclosure because there's no mortgage on it, the owner is desperate to sell. My friends bought it yesterday for $125K and that includes replacement of all appliances including pool system.

Built in 2006, this brand new $400K house just sold for roughly $100K. And no, I don't think this is the bottom, but if it's not, the bottom is gonna be very scary indeed.



Tansy Gold, who ain't movin'
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 09:04 AM
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53. Oh, look!
There's another bottom! ----> (_|_)

Well, we all have our theories and guesses as to where the bottom is or may be... But, I don't think there is a set bottom. Instead, there is sort of a floating bottom... In other words, the bottom will appear when substantive changes are made in FIRE and FIRE regulations and regulators again receive the funding and mandate they need to begin setting the system back on a sustainable course.

A bottom is not just 'gunna happen'. That's magical thinking and it's all around us. (Please see my "Cargo Cult Economy" hypothesis for details.) Instead, it's going to take a determined and active effort on the part of someone independent of the conflict-of-interest Frankenstein's monster that is Washington Street.

Something, I'm beginning to have less and less hope of seeing in my lifetime. As evidence of my position, the reappointment of Ben... Although a better pick than say, Summers... It's just more quo from the status-quo.

Oh, and Health Reform? Forget-about-it...

I'm wondering how I'm going to collect my $10 from all of those rubes that bet against me when I said the only part of the 'Reform' which would pass would be the Romneyesque forced insurance purchase part.

I despise the plan as it's being discussed now... I absolutely despise it. I know... Despise is a very strong word, but, I don't use it lightly.
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 09:50 AM
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63. The Cargo Cult Economy and Economic Calvinism
they may be one and the same.

I wish I had more time to write these days, but I don't. I'd like to explore a synthesis of things I've pulled from Kevin Phillips' "The Cousins' Wars" and "American Theocracy", from Jeff Sharlet's "The Family," from Altemyer's "The Authoritarians" and Marx and Adorno and Milgram and a whole bunch of other stuff -- a theory that the American Experiment is a colossal failure in terms of its stated aims. The UNstated aims have succeeded, but like capitalism, they contain the seeds of their own destruction.

Until reading "The Family," I didn't have the information I wanted to bring it all together. There are, indeed, two elements at work directing/manipulating both the economy and the politics of the U.S. They are not yet one and the same, but one of those elements has as its stated goal the elimination of the other when its usefulness is worn out. Neither of those elements is a friend of progressives. We cannot play one against the other because they will always -- it's their nature -- unite and turn against us.

And I do not know what to do to bring them both down simultaneously.

Nor do I yet know how to find the time to write it all out.



Tansy Gold
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 10:06 AM
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65. I'm not sure of their aims... Other than returning to Feudalism.
But, one of their methods is the suppression of dissent. By, keeping those who would raise uncomfortable questions about their activities so busy attending to the lowest tiers of Maslow's Pyramid of Needs that they don't get an opportunity to express those questions.

ESPECIALLY NOT IN WRITING! :darnit:

Anyway, I look forward to reading your synthesis, Tansy_gold. :)
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 10:35 AM
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67. returning to feudalism IS their aim
A feudalism with technology, of course, or at least some technology to make their own lives easier.

Seriously -- reading "The Family" has provided a lot of information. I'm about half through it, and so far Sharlet hasn't analyzed the wider effects of the control this "cult" has exercised over those in power nor gone too deeply into whether the power-wielders have really bought into the jesus schtick or are just going along because it suits their greed. But I still have half the book to go, and "The Eliminationists" is sitting next to the bed waiting.

TG
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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 04:14 PM
Response to Reply #67
90. Damn. They're already writing something like what I'm trying
to write, then.

... Something along the lines of: explaining how that would seem to make sense only then to explain, quite forcefully, why it doesn't.

:grrr:
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 04:17 PM
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91. I Am of the Opinion That They Will Bring Themselves and Each Other Down
Reason being, they are engines of Destruction, not Construction. Therefore what they accomplish cannot last--no one can do more destruction upon complete destruction. Eventually the vultures have to go find fresh meat--agriculture and animal husbandry aren't in their skill set nor to their liking.

Or the process may be shortened by a popular uprising to throw their sorry asses into prison or exile and reconstitute a nation.

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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 05:10 PM
Response to Reply #91
106. Understand that destruction -- TOTAL destruction -- is the goal of
some of these people.

That's part of the reason why I've been so morbidly fascinated with the stock market stuff -- I see it as a manifestation, if you will, of what "they" are doing.

None of it makes sense, Ghost Dog, if you're reading this, in a normal context. The trick is to figure out what context it DOES make sense in.



Tansy Gold
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AnneD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 03:16 PM
Response to Reply #53
80. Opinions , they use to say...
are like ass holes-every has one. I am here to tell you that isn't true any more. All our ass holes have up and moved to DC and all we have left is a straining middle class.
:spank: shame on you hugin :evilgrin:
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Po_d Mainiac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 10:49 AM
Response to Reply #51
69. Picture little Johnny wildly waving his raised arm
In third grade economics class....

Tansy G's anecdote explained the "green shoots" that were attributed to the recent upsurge in home sales in the $100-250K range!!

:toast: :sarcasm: :toast:

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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 10:52 AM
Response to Reply #69
70. Yeah, they sold 7 houses last month instead of zero.
That would explain it. :rofl:
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 08:38 AM
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50. Case-Shiller -15.44% and they are declaring it "index's fifth monthly improvement"
Another negative is positive.

:shakeshead:
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 06:20 PM
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118. U.S. home prices down 0.7% in 2Q, FHFA reports - U.S. home prices down 0.7% in 2Q, FHFA reports
U.S. home prices down 0.7% in 2Q, FHFA reports
10:12am Today

U.S. home U.S. home prices down 0.7% in 2Q, FHFA reports, FHFA says
10:12am Today

:shakesheadinunison:
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 06:18 PM
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116. Case-Shiller home prices down 15.4% in past year
Case-Shiller home prices down 15.4% in past year
9:03am Today

U.S. June Case-Shiller home prices up 1.4%
9:02am Today
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 06:19 PM
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117. U.S. Aug. consumer confidence 54.1 vs. 47.4
U.S. Aug. consumer confidence 54.1 vs. 47.4
10:00am Today

U.S. consumer confidence better than 48.0 expected
10:00am Today

U.S. Aug. expectations index 73.5, cycle's high
10:00am Today
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ozymandius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 04:40 AM
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3. Oil falls below $74 in Asia as stocks retreat
KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia – Oil prices fell below $74 Tuesday in Asia, taking a cue from weak stock markets and expectations the end of the summer driving season in the U.S. will sap already weak demand.

Benchmark crude for October delivery was down 50 cents to $73.87 a barrel by late afternoon Singapore time in electronic trading on the New York Mercantile Exchange.

Nearly all regional stock markets were lower Tuesday, providing a negative lead for the oil market which often looks to the performance of equities as a gauge of economic optimism and therefore crude demand.

.....

In other Nymex trading, gasoline for September delivery fell 0.91 cents to $2.04 a gallon and heating oil was down 2.15 cents to $1.9020 a gallon. Natural gas fell 2.6 cents to $2.897 per 1,000 cubic feet.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/oil_prices
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 07:35 AM
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39. Oil futures up 4 cents at $74.41 a barrel
Oil futures up 4 cents at $74.41 a barrel
8:13am Today
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ozymandius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 04:44 AM
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4. Obama to Nominate Bernanke to 2nd Term at Fed
WASHINGTON — President Obama on Tuesday will nominate Ben S. Bernanke to a second term as chairman of the Federal Reserve, administration officials said.

The announcement is a major victory for Mr. Bernanke, a Republican who was appointed by President George W. Bush almost four years ago and who had briefly served as chairman of Mr. Bush’s Council of Economic Advisers.

A top White House official said Mr. Obama had decided to keep Mr. Bernanke at the helm of the Fed because he had been bold and brilliant in his attempts to combat the financial crisis and the deep recession.

.....

The senior official said Mr. Obama did not offer the job to anyone else, even though a number of high-powered Democratic economists were considered potentially strong candidates to replace him.

.....

Other rumored candidates included Alan S. Blinder, a professor of economics at Princeton and a former vice chairman of the Federal Reserve under Alan Greenspan; Janet L. Yellen, president of the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco; and Roger Ferguson, another former vice chairman of the Federal Reserve who is currently president of TIAA-CREF, the giant pension fund company.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/25/business/25bernanke.html
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 06:02 AM
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17. I Feel Like We Are Trapped in the Twilight Zone AND the Outer Limits!
Edited on Tue Aug-25-09 06:03 AM by Demeter
Good morning Ozy! Well, it will just more completely destroy good old Helicopter Ben when the Depression hits the next phase. Too bad. Not sure if Geithner and Summers will be vulnerable, with Ben as the dummy decoy. Hope they buy him a good meal now and then.

Glad that Blinder wasn't selected. He's a stupid jerk.

I must say, once I start sleeping, there's no stopping me! I seem to have to sleep all night every night. Making up the deficit, I guess.

I even have time to sort through the mail and find a few choice items to post!
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 07:58 AM
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45. What is so special about today to re-appoint Bernanke?

Bernanke's term expires on 1/31/10, 5 months away. And Obama is vacationing in Martha's Vineyard. Why not re-appoint Bernanke next week when Obama is back in Washington? Why today?
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 11:56 AM
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76. John Carney: Why Did Obama Lie To The Press And Reappoint Bernanke Now?

8/25/09 Why Did Obama Lie To The Press And Reappoint Bernanke Now?
John Carney

It was only yesterday when President Barack Obama sent his spokesguy to inform the Air Force One press pool that they should relax and assured them that “nobody’s looking to make any news.”

Then, as Mediaite's Glynnis MacNicol points out, Obama goes ahead and interrupts his Martha’s Vineyard vacation by holding a press conference to announce that he will be reappointing Ben Bernanke as Fed chairman. There are at least five months before Obama had to make this decision, making this timing very suspicious. We can imagine that the conspiracy theorists are already guessing why Bernanke had to be reappointed right now!

http://www.businessinsider.com/why-did-obama-lie-to-press-and-reappoint-bernanke-now-2009-8


Really, I thought of this first. I just saw this article!



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AnneD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 03:24 PM
Response to Reply #76
82. I believe you DemReading...
we tend to fill a reporter void here and ask the question behind the question.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 04:19 PM
Response to Reply #45
92. Because you can't protest at Martha's Vineyard?
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OverDone Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 06:50 AM
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29. So Glad
I'm so Glad Ben will be reappointed again, he has done such a great job so far hahahahahaha useless :-)
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 10:13 AM
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66. Useless but not malevolent
Greenscam was malevolent. Bernanke is an improvement.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 06:53 AM
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32. I think any of us up here could do a better job!
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Po_d Mainiac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 07:32 AM
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37. MSM is starting to slip in some gems
http://www.cnbc.com/id/32549057

The famed US consumer, who has supported the world economy until before the crisis and makes up 70 percent of the US economy, is scared by the high unemployment, plummeting house prices and mountains of debt and has stopped spending.

"What we need to see is that area of the consumer pick up," James Knightley, ING Bank analyst, told CNBC.com. "There's so much stimulus out there, there's hoping it will work."


A key quote...."there's hoping it will work" And if/when it doesn't? Expect more Q/E

The consumer is being told "the beatings will stop once attitudes start to improve." Simply insert "racking up more debt" in place of attitudes.

YMMV
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 07:40 AM
Response to Reply #37
42. I really liked this headline I posted in LBN: Rendition to Continue, but With Better Oversight
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tclambert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 03:21 PM
Response to Reply #42
81. So . . . torture is OK if it is well supervised.
"Okay, they tortured people, but their paperwork was impeccable."
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AnneD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 03:45 PM
Response to Reply #81
87. Some of the best record keeping...
was in Nazi Germany. It came back to haunt them, but that is another story.
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 04:11 PM
Response to Reply #87
89. And guess who helped them with their record keeping. . . .
I.B.M.!!!!!!

Of course, they were just an international company doing business all over the world. . . . . .


:sarcasm:


TG
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AnneD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 08:23 AM
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47. Morning Marketeers.......
:donut: and lurkers.

I am now working at a middle school in the hood, deep in the hood. Here you get the dregs of city services. I am not sad though because most of the American middle class is now sucking hind teat as Grandpa would say....and Bernanke is proof of that.

We are at the bottom of the barrel here but there is one thing folks here still know how to do that the rest os America has forgotten how to do......ORGANIZE AND PROTEST. It is music to my tired ears.

I am so disgusted with the lack of real progress from the DEMs regarding regulating the banks etc. this is a golden opportunity for us and the DEMs are squandering that trust. Frankly, I won't be voting or contributing in the future like I did last year. Even though I am a Democrat, I expect bang for my buck-not a dud.

I have to go back to work and am so happy to be here, keeping it real.

Happy hunting and watch out for the bears, for they are still lean and will be feeding late this year.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 09:01 AM
Response to Reply #47
52. I'm going to send Kucinich money again.
He's the only one trying to look out for our interests anymore. I don't care what he runs for this time.
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 11:00 AM
Response to Reply #52
71. Here's an idea... Put your contribution in a copy of "In the Days of the Comet "
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ozymandius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 04:47 AM
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5. Federal Reserve loses suit demanding transparency (h/t to UpInArms)
NEW YORK (Reuters) – A federal judge on Monday ruled against an effort by the U.S. Federal Reserve to block disclosure of companies that participated in and securities covered by a series of emergency funding programs as the global credit crisis began to intensify.

In a 47-page opinion, Chief District Judge Loretta Preska of the federal court in Manhattan said the central bank failed to show that disclosure would cause borrowers in the Federal Reserve System to suffer "imminent competitive harm," by stigmatizing them for using Fed lending programs.

"The board essentially speculates on how a borrower might enter a downward spiral of financial instability if its participation in the Federal Reserve lending programs were to be disclosed," she wrote. "Conjecture, without evidence of imminent harm, simply fails to meet the board's burden."

.....

The case arose when two Bloomberg News reporters submitted requests under the federal Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) about actions the Fed took to shore up the financial system in 2007 and early 2008, including an expansion of lending programs and the sale of Bear Stearns Cos to JPMorgan Chase & Co (JPM.N).

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090825/bs_nm/us_federalreserve_bloomberg_lawsuit
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ozymandius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 04:55 AM
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6. Clunkers: Dealers get ready for the 'hangover'
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- After the mad rush of car sales sparked by Cash for Clunkers, dealers will now find they have plenty of downtime to count their money.

The popular program, which ended Monday, will leave many showrooms without cars to sell or customers looking to buy them.

.....

As of Monday morning, dealers had submitted 625,000 Clunkers applications to the government seeking a total of $2.58 billion, according to the Department of Transportation.

.....

After the heady rush of Clunkers sales, the return to normal -- especially in a market where "normal" means deeply depressed -- may be difficult to deal with.

http://money.cnn.com/2009/08/24/autos/clunkers_what_now/?postversion=2009082504



Here's a sample of clunkers that people traded for new vehicles.
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ozymandius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 05:00 AM
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7. World stocks slide amid caution, China off 2.6 pct
HONG KONG – World stocks dropped Tuesday, with China's main index sinking 2.6 percent, as investors tread cautiously after a series of gains and looked for more signs of economic recovery.

.....

In early European trade, benchmarks in Germany, France and Britain were each down about 0.5 percent.

Japan's Nikkei 225 stock average lost 83.69 points, or 0.8 percent, to 10,497.36.

The Shanghai Composite Index slid as much as 5 percent at one point before paring losses. It closed down 77.63, or 2.6 percent, at 2,915.80, though the decline didn't sending regional markets tumbling like they did last week. Hong Kong's Hang Seng was off 0.5 percent at 20,435.24.

South Korea's Kospi lost 0.7 percent, Taiwan's market edged down 0.4 percent and India's Sensex was up 0.3 percent.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090825/ap_on_bi_ge/world_markets
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ozymandius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 05:04 AM
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8. SEC, BofA plead for Merrill bonus settlement
NEW YORK (Reuters) – Bank of America Corp (BAC.N) and the top U.S. securities regulator sought to persuade a judge to approve their $33 million settlement of a civil lawsuit over the lack of disclosure of billions of dollars of bonuses at Merrill Lynch & Co.

.....

In a filing on Monday, Bank of America told Judge Jed Rakoff of Manhattan federal court that it did not mislead shareholders about its approval of up to $5.8 billion of bonuses, saying it was "widely understood" that Merrill would pay out billions.

.....

Rakoff rejected the settlement on Aug 10, demanding many more details about who knew what and when about the bonuses, including the decision not to reveal what would become $3.6 billion of bonus awards. The merger closed on Jan 1.

"This isn't about money anymore, this is about the truth," said Tony Plath, an associate finance professor at the University of North Carolina at Charlotte. "If the bank really believed it could defend itself and win, why cut a $33 million check to make it go away? This isn't a parking ticket."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090824/bs_nm/us_bankofamerica_merrill_bonuses
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ozymandius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 05:09 AM
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9. Zombie GM Stock is Proof Humans Are Not Rational (Heh! Ritholtz hits it on the head.)
I have mentioned this in the past, but its one of those absurdities that refuses to die:
“Whether it’s a matter of ignorance or greed, people are still buying General Motors stock, even though the company and the government have warned that the shares will someday be worthless.

Investors are picking up millions of shares every day, thinking they’ll profit from what is really a hodgepodge of outdated factories and a pile of debt left behind when the new General Motors Co. exited bankruptcy court protection. Instead, they could end up losing money very quickly. The price of the shares, currently under $1, has ratcheted up or down as much as 50 cents in one day.

On Thursday, investors traded 13.9 million shares, and the stock closed at 85 cents, down 4.1%. The old GM stock had a higher trading volume than big, viable companies like retailer CVS Caremark, banker Capital One Financial Corp and consumer products maker Procter & Gamble.”
http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/08/zombie-gm-stock-is-proof-humans-are-not-rational/
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tclambert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 03:57 PM
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88. What are the symbols for "good" GM and "bad" GM?
It sounds like it might provide a little light entertainment to follow the zombie stock. But I don't know the symbols to look for.

Okay, googling . . . double-checking . . . Looks like MTLQQ is the symbol for the zombie GM, now officially called Motors Liquidation Company. The "new" GM is not yet publicly traded and therefore has no stock symbol. Now I got it.

Apparently, a lot of other investors find this confusing, too. From http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Traders-keep-buying-old-GM-apf-111339779.html?x=0&.v=4 :


GM and federal regulators say they have done all they can to warn investors, giving old GM the appropriate moniker of Motors Liquidation Co., issuing multiple public warnings and changing the stock symbol from GMGMQ to MTLQQ.PK.

"There are people who think they are buying the new General Motors. Stop. You're not. You're buying the detritus," said Harlan Platt, a finance professor at Northeastern University who follows corporate bankruptcies.

Those who invest, experts say, run a very real risk of losing everything at any moment. Aside from the possibility of the stock vanishing once liquidation of the old company ends, demand could wane and prices could plummet to near zero as more people figure out that they're not investing in the new GM.

But for now, there still are traders who haven't gotten the message that Motors Liquidation is merely a shell set up to oversee the sale of GM's bad assets, get as much money for creditors as possible and then be dissolved.

Since regulators reinstated Motors Liquidation stock sales on July 15 after a three-day suspension, more than 800 million shares have been traded.

. . .

So even though the new GM has said it won't offer shares to the public until next year, there are those who still believe they are buying into the new company.


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So much for rational investment.
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ozymandius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 05:14 AM
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10. The latest turn in Goldman Sachs stock manipulation tool:
The Federal Government Claims That Goldman Has Stock Manipulation Software

The NYT had a bizarre piece in which it reported on the FBI's arrest of a former Goldman Sachs employee because he allegedly stole software from Goldman Sachs which the article says a federal prosecutor claims: "could be used to 'unfairly manipulate' stock prices."

The article is peculiar because it focuses on the intellectual property issues between Goldman and a former employee who had worked on developing the software. It almost completely ignores the more basic issue that the federal government effectively claims that Goldman Sachs has software that can be used to manipulate stock prices. If the software can be used for illegal purposes, why is it more serious that a relatively low level employee has access to it than Goldman Sachs' top executives?

--Dean Baker

http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/beat_the_press_archive?month=08&year=2009&base_name=the_federal_government_claims
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 05:36 AM
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14. Insane. Or crooked. Although, most likely both, insanity being invariably a function of evil.
Edited on Tue Aug-25-09 05:47 AM by Joe Chi Minh
Re your tagline, Ozzy, you have to understand that not possessing a dozen gardners and an army of servants to do his bidding would have been Churchill's idea of misery; a misery only Socialists would have dreamt of inflicting on the richest in the land.

It's why he and the Tories were turfed out after the WWII. Because the monied classes had so disgraced themselves* with their fanatical adulation of Hitler and Mussolini (including Churchill of Mussolini at one time), before the war, it then became possible to create the welfare state, with the NHS and the rest.

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ozymandius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 05:54 AM
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16. Churchill was the living definition of a paradox.
Edited on Tue Aug-25-09 05:59 AM by ozymandius
Indeed: Churchill was the critical component that led to the creation of Britain's NHS. Not through what he did but moreso by what he did not do for the lower and middle classes. As for his biographical efforts: it is true that he had a staff of ghost writers that churned out his literary monuments to himself - once their efforts passed muster with Churchill.

Interesting man, that Churchill. I cannot agree with everything he said, of course being a man shaped by his era, but I can find value in aspects of Churchill as they'd manifest in different life stages.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 06:03 AM
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18. Absolutely. A great man, in my book. But it's interesting that you mentioned
Edited on Tue Aug-25-09 06:03 AM by Joe Chi Minh
his team of ghost-writers, as I had dismissed a similar claim regarding the authorship of his speeches our English teacher often made, i.e. that the most famous passages in his speeches were likely to have been written by others.

Many years ago, I read a volume of his History of the English-speaking peoples, which I would imagine he did write himself. I was tickled to bits by his comment: "Generations of an idle and predatory life had led the Highlanders into the vices of barbarians." The story that he was a poor scholar in his school-days was apparently piffle.
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Epoon Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 06:32 AM
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23. Great man? Read Human Smoke.
Not a fan of Churchill. He originally preferred Hitler over the threat of Bolshevist Jews.
Odds are Churchill and FDR actually made life worse for Jews and Europeans because of acts like the blockade.
And his racism can not be denied.
One of the more subtle points Human Smoke shows is there are no more real pacifists like there were back then.
A sad loss.
History polishes up the turds that are winners. Because winners tend to revision history.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 07:38 AM
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41. He was an imperialist. No doubt about it. And the consequences of imperialism,
Edited on Tue Aug-25-09 07:53 AM by Joe Chi Minh
both contemporaneously, and for the imperialists, long after, are dreadful. The anti-Semitism of both the UK and the US at that time was nothing less than monstrous, and I suspect the casting of "smoothie" (and sometimes not so "smoothie") Englishmen as villains in your films these days is a bit of payback, though I doubt very much that Churchill or Roosevelt were, themselves, anti-Semitic; at least, as the Jewish joke goes, ".... any more than was absolutely necessary"(!), given the decadent nature of their respective power-bases. In fact, an anti-Semite told me recently that both Churchill's mother's family, the Jeromes, and Roosevelt's family were Jewish. Although I'm naturally suspicious of putative facts told me by people who believe the world is in the grip of a vast Jewish conspiracy - very comfortable though I am with the belief that most powerful people form cabals and conspiracies, as Adam Smith held regarding businessmen.

One quote of Churchill's I read struck me very forcefully. Talking about a less economically-developed people, he observed that they were too "unworldly" to be left alone to their own devices! Meaning by that I expect, if we don't batten on them, some other imperialist power will! Ever one of the excuses for geopolitical criminality. But I though it interesting and wise of him that he didn't assume they were stupid, lacked intelligence, but rather, just "worldly intelligence". A world of difference. It is universally recognised today that the most marginalised hunter-gatherers are extremely wise and clever in terms of their environment. Which is not to say that there was not a streak of racism in him. It is there, deep in all of us, black, white and brindle. But I expect he would have given freer rein to it than most men of good will, today, given his pretty decadent, Anglo-Norman, upper-class milieu, and his background as a Marlborough.

His tolerance of De Gaulle, who was always putting him in bad odour with Roosevelt was also admirable. De Gaulle had no power-base! He was just a moral giant. Yet he too was a kind of wing-nut. The polarity of the far right and Communism, I believe, was ultimately very much the fault of the institutional Catholic Church. There should never have been any occasion for the rise of atheistic Communism. Most of it is a straight crib from Judaeo-Christian scriptures. To Marx's surprise, the people who led the revolution were the peasants, whose natural conservatism could scarcely be more entrenched in any country, for all sorts of reasons.

However, at the end of the day, Churchill stood virtually alone in rallying the nation to fight the Nazis, when most of those around him were appeasers. Without him, we would have come to terms with Hitler, and eventually been subjugated like the smallest, meanest backwater.
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Epoon Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 09:15 AM
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54. I don't know
I'm not qualified to argue WW2 politics or even WW1.
Read Human Smoke.
As far as I can tell Churchill hated the Bolsheviks and feared allowing the Jews in would expand the revolution. Then again he applauded the gassing of innocent Iraqi's to pacify the tribes. So he may have had a strong streak of racism. Maybe he just felt superior to those painted with the Tarbrush.
FDR seemed to have the same Bolshevik fear. Interesting how FDR seemed to taunt Japan into entering the war. Funny how he earmarked depression funds to build warships years before entering the war. Unless of course one is a wacky conspiracy theorist, then it makes sense.
It is very likely that the blockade lead to much of the horrendous treatment of minorities by the Nazis. Remember until the worst of the food shortages started Germany wanted to export Jews to colonies. Either to the Russian version of the Jewish homeland or Madagascar. That was not allowed to happen.
Human Smoke is an ugly honest work. One of the few times I ever felt disgusted.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 12:58 PM
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77. Your comments put me off the book. I don't doubt its veracity, but I'm already
on an outrage-overload, concerning that period in our history and its wretched imperialist parasites, sucking the blood out of their own people; not to speak of today's insane atheist leaders, whose madness and wickedness cannot even be tempered, in principle, by deference to an externally prescribed moral order. Everyone makes up their own morality.

During the Boer War, the surgeon-general said large numbers of conscripts had to be rejected, as a result of chronic malnutrition. No wonder the Boer, "Osama Bin Laden", who kept giving our lot the slip, was regarded with a certain affection and amusement by the people here. Although the Boers, apparently, were always seriously evil and deranged in their attitude towards the Africans.

The fact is that the term, Anglo-Saxon, is actualy a misnomer. Our "old money" ruling class has always been Norman (Norsemen-Vikings) or at least Anglo-Norman. When William I came over with his Normans, they had only been in Normandy a hundred and fifity years. It was a gift from Charles The Simple as an inducement to stop Rollo and his Danish troops from attacking Paris. I expect it's why the Royal Navy is designated our Senior Service. Our navy was certainly supreme for centuries, though it relied a lot on abduction to supply its crews, who were treated very brutally, even murderously in some cases, by psychopathic captains.

William, asap, established the feudal system, and the Normans ruled the people harshly. For the ordinary freeman, before the Norman conquest, life had been good. A freeman possessed a relatively sizeable portion of farm-land. It wasn't just of course. They had slaves, and they had no rights. But after the Norman Conquest, the harshness was generalised throughout the society.

No more living off rabbits and deer in the vast areas of forest for the Anglo-Saxon people, on pain of having your arm of leg chopped off. Hunting was the Normans' preserve. I believe it's why the right-wing in this country today are so hell-bent on their right to hunt small animals to their death - ripped to bits by the dogs. Symbolic of their overlordship. Before the war, huntsmen could ride roughshod with their hounds over a farmers fields and not be under any obligation to compensate him for the crops they destroyed.

Whoever thought up the saying, "Put a beggar on horseback, and he'll drive it straight to hell", knew a thing or two about the difference between "old money" and "new money". Apparently, the among the very keenest huntsmen are the beggars-on-horseback, such as a certain singer's son.

With the "old money" people it was, for the most part, their ancestors who were completely unprincipled and ruthless Gordon Gekko types - despite the fact that it is a culture that encourages adaptive psychopathy. Some of the nicest people are among the public-school types. NuLab are traitors against their own, and have stolen and perverted the people's only political protection, the Labour Party properly so-called, and subverted it to serve the greed of those their "new money" cronies. No doubt with a smattering of "old money" Willie Whitelaws and Nicholas Ridleys. And now look what they've done to the country, indeed with their American counterparts, the world. But are they ashamed? Not one bit. They're in denial. Thatcher is still a political Colossus in their pathological estimation.

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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 07:00 PM
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121. Incidentally, there is invariably an ambiguity about the word, "great", when
used of a figure who loomed large in history. I once even heard someone describe Hitler as a great man, and that ambiguity served him well, as I'm sure he was a Hitler-lover.

In the case of Churchill, though, I'm judging him in the context of his day and of his social background, but most of all by that magnanimity, that largeness of spirit he showed in different ways. One significant way in which it was expressed was in a certain integrity he had, which enabled him to "stick to his guns" at that critical time; also in the way, for instance that he would "look outside the box" and take on his staff, formal and informal, such relatively lowly maverick characters as Orde-Wingate, whom he told to contact hm directly by phone any time he wanted to. Apprently, ignoring the chain of command in that way caused considerable resentment among his senior officers, as the Normans are very ambitious and jealous of their status.

To tell the truth it's just occurred to me that it may well have been the American in Churchill - that certain wild adventurousness. I was stunned to see there were Americans who served under Nelson, for example, and that their numerous pirates made the seaborne approaches to America very hazardous for commercial shipping.
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ozymandius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 05:16 AM
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11. Volcker Wants to Regulate Money Market Funds Like Banks
Paul Volcker clearly wasn't kidding when he said the most important banking innovation in the last 30 years was the ATM. Although money market funds go back further than that, to the early 1970s, Tall Paul is not so keen about them either. This isn't the first time he had gone after money funds, and he is not dropping the topic. But it does not appear that Team Obama is backing this idea.

I wonder if his antipathy goes back to his days as Fed chair. Volcker used money supply targets to rein in inflation, but found in 1982 that they were becoming unreliable due to....money market funds.

The logic behind going after money market funds is the blow up of Reserve Fund as a result of the Lehman failure. But of all the areas of finance, money market funds have not exactly been high on the list of problems. Not that my opinion counts for much, but money market funds does not make my top ten list of banking reform areas. By contrast, CDOs blew up in the 1990s and then made an even more impressive reprise this century. Because they have extraordinary leverage, the damage they do is well out of proportion to the size of the market. . Repos are a form of banking, played a big role in cross market transmission during the crisis (haircuts rose sharply) and is much bigger in aggregate than money market funds ($10 trillionish). From Bloomberg:
Paul Volcker, the former Federal Reserve chairman who is an adviser to President Barack Obama, said money-market mutual funds undermine the strength of the U.S. financial system and should be regulated more like banks.

“Banks remain the functioning heart of the financial system, and they are protected and regulated,” Volcker said in a telephone interview last week from his New York office. “To the extent they have competitors that have different ground rules, kind of free-riders in my view, weakens the financial system.”

Money-market mutual funds, which first appeared in 1971, have developed into a $3.5 trillion pool of cash outside of the regulated banking industry that provides short-term funding to thousands of companies and financial institutions at rates below conventional loans. Their pivotal role in the economy was highlighted in September when the collapse of the $62.5 billion Reserve Primary Fund sparked a run by investors that in turn froze the commercial-paper market and threatened to cut off thousands of borrowers.
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2009/08/volcker-wants-to-regulate-money-market.html
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ozymandius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 05:19 AM
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12. Fewer Catching Up on Lapsed Mortgages
Edited on Tue Aug-25-09 05:22 AM by ozymandius
Homeowners who fall behind on their mortgage payments have become much less likely to catch up again, a new study shows.

The report from Fitch Ratings Ltd., a credit-rating firm, focuses on a plunge in the "cure rate" for mortgages that were packaged into securities. The study excludes loans guaranteed by government-backed agencies as well as those that weren't bundled into securities. The cure rate is the portion of delinquent loans that return to current payment status each month.

Fitch found that the cure rate for prime loans dropped to 6.6% as of July from an average of 45% for the years 2000 through 2006. For so-called Alt-A loans -- a category between prime and subprime that typically involves borrowers who don't fully document their income or assets -- the cure rate has fallen to 4.3% from 30.2%. In the subprime category, the rate has declined to 5.3% from 19.4%.

.....

Because borrowers are less willing or able to catch up on payments, foreclosures are likely to remain a big problem. Barclays Capital projects the number of foreclosed homes for sale will peak at 1.15 million in mid-2010, up from an estimated 688,000 as of July 1.

http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB125113686930654371-lMyQjAxMDI5NTIxNDEyMzQ2Wj.html



The source for this article is Naked Capitalism, where you can find more data on the banks' slow response to underwater property foreclosures.
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ozymandius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 05:45 AM
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15. Analyst Bove sees 150-200 more U.S. bank failures
NEW YORK (Reuters) - A prominent banking analyst said on Sunday that 150 to 200 more U.S. banks will fail in the current banking crisis, and the industry's payments to keep the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp afloat could eat up 25 percent of pretax income in 2010.

Richard Bove of Rochdale Securities said this will likely force the FDIC, which insures deposits, to turn increasingly to non-U.S. banks and private equity funds to shore up the banking system.

.....

Bove said "perhaps another 150 to 200 banks will fail," on top of 81 so far in 2009, adding stress to the FDIC's deposit insurance fund.

http://www.reuters.com/article/GCA-Economy/idUSTRE57M26G20090823



The maddening thing is that most bank failures are tied to unperforming loans linked to real estate.

Meredith Whitney thinks the failure rate will go much higher - nearing 300 - during this cycle.
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ozymandius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 05:34 AM
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13. Comment on First-time Homebuyer Tax Credit
A few comments on the first-time homebuyer tax credit:

A couple of details:
* The tax credit is up to 10% of the purchase price, or $8 thousand maximum.

* "First-time" homebuyers are defined as anyone who hasn't owned a primarily residence for the last 3 years (not really "first-time").

* The tax credit can be used as the downpayment, see Kenneth Harney's: How buyers can use tax credit for down payment

* This has led to a frenzy of first-time home buying. Even though the program ends on November 30th, the buyer must close escrow before then - so the program will boost traffic through September and maybe into October.
More details at Calculated Risk
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 06:12 AM
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19. Internal Memo Confirms Big Giveaways In White House Deal With Big Pharma By Ryan Grim
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article23270.htm

August 14, 2009 "Huffington Post" -- A memo obtained by the Huffington Post confirms that the White House and the pharmaceutical lobby secretly agreed to precisely the sort of wide-ranging deal that both parties have been denying over the past week.

The memo, which according to a knowledgeable health care lobbyist was prepared by a person directly involved in the negotiations, lists exactly what the White House gave up, and what it got in return.

It says the White House agreed to oppose any congressional efforts to use the government's leverage to bargain for lower drug prices or import drugs from Canada -- and also agreed not to pursue Medicare rebates or shift some drugs from Medicare Part B to Medicare Part D, which would cost Big Pharma billions in reduced reimbursements.

In exchange, the Pharmaceutical Researchers and Manufacturers Association (PhRMA) agreed to cut $80 billion in projected costs to taxpayers and senior citizens over ten years. Or, as the memo says: "Commitment of up to $80 billion, but not more than $80 billion."


SEE LINK FOR FACSIMILE OF MEMO


Representatives from both the White House and PhRMA, shown the outline, adamantly denied that it reflected reality. PhRMA senior vice president Ken Johnson said that the outline "is simply not accurate." "This memo isn't accurate and does not reflect the agreement with the drug companies," said White House spokesman Reid Cherlin.

Stories in the Los Angeles Times and the New York Times last week indicated that the administration was confirming that such a deal had been made.

Critics on Capitol Hill and online responded with outrage at the reports that Obama had gone behind their backs and sold the reform movement short. Furthermore, the deal seemed to be a betrayal of several promises made by then-Sen. Obama during the presidential campaign, among them that he would use the power of government to drive down the costs of drugs to Medicare and that negotiations would be conducted in the open.

And over the past several days, both the White House and PhRMA have offered a series of sometimes conflicting accounts of what happened in an attempt to walk back the story.

The White House meeting took place on July 7th, as first reported that evening in the Wall Street Journal. Also on the same day, a health care lobbyist following the talks was provided the outline of the deal by a person inside the negotiations. That outline had been floating around K Street before being obtained by the Huffington Post. In order to learn more about its origin, HuffPost agreed not to reveal the name of the lobbyist who originally received it.

"That is the PhRMA deal," said the lobbyist of the outline. He then clarified, "It was the PhRMA deal."

The deal, as outlined in the memo:

Commitment of up to $80 billion, but not more than $80 billion.

1. Agree to increase of Medicaid rebate from 15.1 - 23.1% ($34 billion)

2. Agree to get FOBs done (but no agreement on details -- express disagreement on data exclusivity which both sides say does not affect the score of the legislation.) ($9 billion)

3. Sell drugs to patients in the donut hole at 50% discount ($25 billion)
This totals $68 billion

4. Companies will be assessed a tax or fee that will score at $12 billion. There was no agreement as to how or on what this tax/fee will be based.

Total: $80 billion

In exchange for these items, the White House agreed to:

1. Oppose importation

2. Oppose rebates in Medicare Part D

3. Oppose repeal of non-interference

4. Oppose opening Medicare Part B


"Non-interference" is the industry term for the status quo, in which government-driven price negotiations are barred. In other words, the government is "interfering" in the market if it negotiates lower prices. The ban on negotiating was led through Congress in 2003 by then-Rep. Billy Tauzin (R-La.), who is now the head of PhRMA.

The rebates reference is to Medicare overpayments Big Pharma managed to wrangle from the Republican Congress that Democrats are trying to recoup. The House bill would require Big Pharma to return some of that money. The rebate proposal would save $63 billion over ten years, according to the Congressional Budget Office. The White House, given the chance, declined to tell the Wall Street Journal for a July 17th article that it supported the effort to pursue the rebates.

The Medicare Part B item refers to "infusion drugs," which can be administered at home. If they fall under Part B, Big Pharma gets paid more than under Part D. The agreement would leave infusion drugs in Part B.

In the section on Big Pharma's concessions, "FOBs" refers to follow-on biological drugs. Democrats have pushed to make it easier to allow generic drug makers to produce cheaper versions of such drugs, an effort Big Pharma has resisted. The Senate health committee bill gives drug makers 12 years of market exclusivity, five more than the White House proposed.

PhRMA's Johnson cast doubts on the provenance of the outline. "The memo, as described, is simply not accurate," he said in a statement. "Anyone could have written it. Unless it comes from our board of directors, it's not worth the paper it's written on. Clearly, someone is trying to short circuit our efforts to try and make health care reform a reality this year. That's not going to happen. Too much is at stake for both patients and the U.S. economy. Our new ads supporting health care reform are starting this week, and we are redoubling our efforts to drive awareness of why this issue is so important to America's future."

Johnson added that "no outside lobbyists -- not a single one -- were ever involved in our discussions with the Senate Finance Committee or the White House so someone is blowing smoke."

But the lobbyist who was given the outline defended its authenticity. And although the White House now says that drug price negotiations and reimportation were not actually discussed in the talks with PhRMA, the lobbyist said: "Well, that's bull -- that's baloney. That was part of the deal, for them not to push that."

The new uncertainty surrounding the deal comes after House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) has repeatedly said that her chamber is not bound by any agreement it is not a party to. On July 8th, the day after the Journal reported some elements of the deal, Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Henry Waxman (D-Calif.) said in a public speech that his committee would not be tied down by the agreement.

Before recess, he followed through. His committee passed a bill that allowed for re-importation and drug-price negotiations.

In the Senate, Democrats Sherrod Brown (Ohio) and Byron Dorgan (N.D.) pressed White House officials at a closed-door meeting last week, asking whether the White House had tied the Senate's hands.

The health care lobbyist said that what deal still exists is uncertain, as a result of House pressure. "Now the White House is backing away from it, as you know, because of pressure from the House, because the House was not a party to the deal," he said. "The Speaker put enormous pressure on the White House, , 'We weren't a party to it and we reserve the right to do whatever we want.' And which they did in the House Energy and Commerce Committee bill, which led the White House to say, 'Well, maybe it's not cast in concrete.'"

Obama is walking a tightrope here. He wants to keep PhRMA from opposing the bill, and benefits by having its support, which now includes a $150 million advertising campaign. That's a fortune in politics -- more than Republican presidential candidate John McCain spent on advertising during his entire campaign -- but it's loose change in the pharmaceutical business.

Opponents of the deal with PhRMA hope that Obama is playing a multilayered game, making a deal in order to keep the drug makers in his camp for now, but planning to double-cross them in the end if he needs to in order to pass his signature initiative.

Big Pharma, however, is still comfortable. "As far as the pharmaceutical industry, PhRMA and its member companies, yes, they say a deal is a deal. We'll see what happens," said the health care lobbyist.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 07:33 AM
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38. A deal is a deal
Unless that deal is campaign promises to the people.

No wonder the lobbyists are saying healthcare reform is a bonanza to their clients.

Any bill coming out of DC these days harms the people and is profitable to corporates. A good bill is no bill at all.



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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 06:14 AM
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20. US Economic Myths Bite the Dust
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article23271.htm

America is not the internationally competitive land of small businesses that politicians love to tout

By Mark Weisbrot

August 14, 2009 "The Guardian" --- The Great Recession is allowing some widely held beliefs about the US economy – which were the source of much evangelism over the last few decades – to run up against a reality check. This is to be expected, since the United States has been the epicentre of the storm of policy blunders that caused the world recession.

This month my CEPR colleagues John Schmitt and Nathan Lane showed that the United States is not the nation of small businesses that it is regularly dressed up to be for electoral campaign speeches and editorials. If we look at what percentage of our overall labour force is self-employed, or what percentage of manufacturing workers or high-tech workers are employed in small businesses – well, the US ranks at or near the bottom among high-income countries.

As economist Paul Krugman noted after reading the study: "One more American myth bites the dust." Indeed it has. And as both the authors of the paper and Krugman note, there is a plausible explanation for the US's low score in the small business contest: our lack of national health insurance. There are enough risks associated with choosing to start a business over being an employee, but the Europeans don't have to worry that they will go bankrupt for lack of health insurance.

A number of other alleged advantages of America's "economic dynamism" are also mythical. Most people think that there is more economic mobility in America than in Europe. Guess again. We're also near the bottom of rich countries in this category, for example as measured by the percentage of low-income households that escape from this status each year.

The idea that the US is more "internationally competitive" has been without economic foundation for decades, as measured by the most obvious indicator: our trade deficit, which peaked at 6% of GDP in 2006. (It has fallen sharply from its peak during this recession but will rebound strongly when the economy recovers).

And of course the idea that our less regulated, more "market-friendly" financial system was more innovative and efficient – widely held by our leading experts and policy-makers such as Alan Greenspan, until recently – collapsed along with our $8tn housing bubble.

On the other hand, most Americans pay a high price for the institutional arrangements that bring us these mythical successes. We have the dubious honour of being the only "no-vacation nation", ie no legally required paid time off and of course some weeks fewer actual days off per year than our European counterparts enjoy. We have a broken healthcare system that costs about twice as much per capita as that of our peer nations and delivers worse outcomes, as measured by life expectancy and infant mortality. We are near the top in terms of inequality among high-income countries and at the bottom for parental leave policies and paid sick days. The list is a long one.

Yet it was just two years ago that Nicholas Sarkozy successfully won the presidency of France by arguing that the French could not afford their welfare state and had to adopt a series of reforms that would make the French economy more "dynamic" like that of the US. These included tax cuts for the rich and labour law changes that would make it easier for employers to fire people.

Many French are now sorry they voted for this guy and very glad that they have more protection than most Americans have from the ravages of the recession. Of course they could also use a larger economic stimulus, but the fact that they don't have one is due to the neoliberal policies of their own government and those of the European Union, especially the European Central Bank.

There is another area where the comparison between the American and European model has serious implications for the future of the planet: climate change. "Old Europe" uses about half as much energy per capita as the US does. A big part of this difference is because Europeans, in recent decades, have taken much more of their productivity gains in the form of increased leisure time, rather than working the same (or longer) hours in order to consume more.

We estimated that the US would consume about 20% less energy if it had the work hours of the EU-15. This would have a significant impact on world carbon emissions. Furthermore, when the world economy recovers, there are a number of middle-income countries that will approach high-income status in the not-too-distant future (South Korea and Taiwan are already there). Whether they choose the American or the European model will have an even bigger impact on global climate change.

The major media in both Europe and the United States have played an important role, for decades, in helping politicians capitalise on economic mythology to push policy in economic and socially destructive directions on both sides of the Atlantic. It remains to be seen how much the Great Recession will influence the thinking and reporting of these influential institutions.
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21. Bulletins From Clunkerville By Mike Whitney
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article23272.htm


August 14, 2009 "Information Clearing House" -- Is the economy really recovering or is it all just hype?

Here's what we know. The Fed doesn't drop rates to zero unless its facing a 5 alarm fire and needs to pull out all the stops. The idea is to flood the markets with liquidity in order to avoid a complete financial meltdown. It's a last-ditch maneuver and the Fed does not take it lightly.

The Fed initiated its zero interest rate policy, ZIRP, eight months ago (December 16 2008) and hasn't raised rates since. In the meantime, Fed chair Ben Bernanke has pumped huge amounts of money into the financial system using thoroughly-untested and unconventional means. No one knows whether Bernanke can roll up his multi-trillion dollar lending facilities or not (and avoid Zimbabwe-like hyperinflation) because no one has ever created similar programs. It's all "make-it-up-as-you-go" policymaking. What we do know, however, is that the Fed intends to keep rates at rock-bottom for the foreseeable future, which means that the lights are all still blinking red.

Here's an excerpt from the Federal Open Market Committee (FOMC) on Wednesday:

"The Committee will maintain the target range for the federal funds rate at 0 to 1/4 percent and continues to anticipate that economic conditions are likely to warrant exceptionally low levels of the federal funds rate for an extended period. As previously announced, to provide support to mortgage lending and housing markets and to improve overall conditions in private credit markets, the Federal Reserve will purchase a total of up to $1.25 trillion of agency mortgage-backed securities and up to $200 billion of agency debt by the end of the year. In addition, the Federal Reserve is in the process of buying $300 billion of Treasury securities. To promote a smooth transition in markets as these purchases of Treasury securities are completed, the Committee has decided to gradually slow the pace of these transactions and anticipates that the full amount will be purchased by the end of October. The Committee will continue to evaluate the timing and overall amounts of its purchases of securities in light of the evolving economic outlook and conditions in financial markets. The Federal Reserve is monitoring the size and composition of its balance sheet and will make adjustments to its credit and liquidity programs as warranted."

Translation: The economy is still getting battered and the Fed will keep rates at zero until the storm passes. Bernanke will continue to purchase boatloads of Fannie and Freddie mortgage-backed securities (MBS) to avoid an even-more precipitous decline in housing prices. The Fed will also purchase $300 billion in US Treasuries (monetization) in an effort to prime the pump and keep long-term interest rates artificially low. (Note: The Fed is only suspending its monetization program--Treasury buy-backs--because the dollar dropped to a dangerous support level, below which lies the abyss. Thus, Bernanke's announcement is not a sign of confidence in the fictional "recovery", but fear of a "disorderly unwind" of the dollar.)

On balance, the Fed's statement is an expression of desperation, not optimism. Bernanke would like nothing more than to prove to his critics wrong by raising rates and shutting down a couple lending facilities. But he has no choice. The situation is dire. Just imagine where housing prices would be today if Bernanke hadn't bought $1 trillion of mortgage-backed securities? Housing would be crashing even harder than it is already.

The Fed is in a pitch-battle with deflation, and it's losing ground fast. If that wasn't true, then Bernanke would simply raise rates .50 basis points and soak up some of the excess liquidity he's been spraying everywhere. But he can't, because if he did, the equities markets would plummet 500 points in an afternoon and the financial system would be tossed back on the rocks. Bernanke's liquidity is the only thing keeping the economy vanishing into a deflationary black hole.

The economy is still on life-support and the "green shoots" storyline is pure fiction. The financial system will be on a drip-feed from the Fed for years to come. Maybe forever. Things aren't better; they're worse. Look at the facts.

There were 1.9 million foreclosures in 2009 in the first six months, and there will be another 1.5 before the end of the year. Is that better?

According to Bloomberg:

"A glut of unsold homes is also pushing down prices. The 3.8 million homes for sale in June would take 9.4 months to sell at the current pace of transactions, according to the National Association of Realtors. The inventory turnover rate averaged 4.5 months in the six years from 2000 to 2005.....More than 18.7 million homes, including foreclosures, residences for sale and vacation homes, stood vacant in the U.S. during the second quarter....Total home sales fell 23.7 percent in June versus a year earlier." (Bloomberg)

Bloated supply, falling prices, record foreclosures, flagging demand--and according to Deutsche Bank--48 percent of all mortgages will be underwater by 2011. It's all bad.

Here's another clip from Bloomberg today 8-12-09:

"Home price declines in the U.S. accelerated in the second quarter, dropping by a record 15.6 percent from a year earlier, as foreclosures weighed on values.

The median price of an existing single-family home dropped to $174,100, the most in records dating to 1979, the National Association of Realtors said today.

‘I don’t think we’re at a bottom yet in home prices,’ said Scott Anderson, a senior economist at Wells Fargo & Co. in Minneapolis. ‘There’s also a pretty big shadow supply of houses. People are kind of waiting for the bottom but there’s a pent up supply out there.”...Home prices are tumbling even as mortgage rates remain near all-time lows. The average U.S. rate for a 30-year fixed home loan was to 5.22 percent last week, down from 5.25 percent the prior week.’" (Bloomberg)

The decline in housing prices is accelerating, not slowing down. The historic collapse in real estate is ongoing and it is wiping out trillions in homeowner equity making it increasingly difficult for consumers to borrow on the diminishing value of their collateral. This is why foreclosures, defaults and personal bankruptcies are soaring. According to the American Bankruptcy Institute: consumer bankruptcy filings reached 126,434 in July, a 34.3 per cent increase year over year, and a 8.7 per cent increase sequentially (116,365 in June). July's number is the highest monthly total since the October 2005 bankruptcy reform aka the Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act.)

This is why households and consumers can no longer spend as much as they had before the crisis. Credit lines are being pared back; personal savings are rising, and GDP (excluding fiscal stimulus) is shrinking.

Every one of the 3.5 million foreclosures represents hundreds of thousands of dollars the banks will never recoup. That's why the rate of bank failures will be much greater than current estimates. The banks are facing a triple-whammy; soaring foreclosures, tumbling asset prices, and a meltdown in commercial real estate. The combo has created a gigantic capital hole which is forcing the banks to slow lend even to applicants with flawless credit. The Fed has built up excess bank reserves by $800 billion, but it hasn't made a bit of difference. They banks are still not able to lend.

The uptick in housing last month reflects seasonal changes and a shifting of pain from the low end of the market to higher priced homes; nothing more. Homes that are priced over $1 million are now sitting on the market for 20 months; a lifetime in real estate parlance. High-end neighborhoods have turned into leper colonies. Zero interest; zero traffic. Expect a crash this year.

Now take a look at this from CNBC's Diana Olick:

"The number of homes listed officially on the market, while still at historically high levels, might be only the tip of the iceberg," said Stan Humphries, chief economist at real estate website Zillow.com in Seattle, Washington.

“According to Zillow's latest Homeowner Confidence Survey, 12 per cent of homeowners said they would be ‘very likely’ to put their home on the market in the next 12 months if they saw signs of a real estate market turnaround, 8 percent said ‘likely,’ while 12 percent said ‘somewhat likely.’
Survey results could translate into around 20 million homeowners trying to sell their homes, a startling number given that the Census bureau indicates there are 93 million U.S. houses, condos and co-ops, Humphries said.

“According to the National Association of Realtors, the market is currently on track to sell 4.89 million homes annually.

"’At this pace, it would take about four years to run through this amount of backlogged inventory,’ he said.

"’Shadow inventory has the potential to give us another leg down on home prices during the second half of the year,’ said Steven Wood, chief economist at Insight Economics in Danville, California. (Diana Olick, "Shadow inventory lurks over US housing recovery" CNBC)

The banks are using all types of accounting tricks to hide the real losses or the true value of downgraded assets. The only difference between a common crook and a commercial banker is a well-paid accountant.

The banking system is broken and it’s only going to get worse as the hammer comes down on the commercial real estate market. The Fed and Treasury are already working out the details for another stealth bailout that they'll initiate without Congress's approval. It's all very hush-hush. The plan will involve more mega-leveraging of government liabilities. Bernanke has appointed himself the de facto Czar of Hedge Fund Nation, Clunkerville USA. An article in this week's Financial Times further illustrates how the Fed has transformed the economy into a riverboat casino:

"The Federal Reserve Bank of New York is aggressively hiring traders as its seeks to manage its burgeoning securities holdings, making the central bank one of Wall Street's most active recruiters of financial talent.

“The Fed, which says that most of its new recruits come from private sector financial firms, is hiring employees as many banks, rating agencies, hedge funds and private equity groups shed staff. New York city officials recently estimated that the sector's woes would lead to a loss of up to 140,000 jobs.

“The Fed's need for more traders is a direct consequence of the central bank's efforts to keep credit flowing through the US economy. The Fed has been buying fixed-income securities at such a rate that its assets have more than doubled to $2,000bn in the past year, leading the central bank to conclude that it needs more people to monitor the markets and to manage its credit risks." (Financial Times, "NY Fed in hiring spree as assets soar", Aline van Duyn)

Can you believe it? The Fed is drafting a gaggle of professional speculators just to keep all its balls in the air. What a joke. This isn't a recovery; it's a sit-com. Here's Warren Buffett summing it up on CNBC:

"I get figures on 70-odd businesses, a lot of them daily. Everything that I see about the economy is that we've had no bounce. The financial system was really where the crisis was last September and October, and that's been surmounted and that's enormously important. But in terms of the economy coming back, it takes a while.... I said the economy would be in a shambles this year and probably well beyond. I'm afraid that's true."

"The economy is in a shambles". That's from the horse's mouth. Inventories are down 11 per cent year-over-year, durable goods are down 10.4 per cent y-o-y, industrial capacity is at record lows, manufacturing is still contracting, housing is in the tank, shipping and rail freight are scraping the bottom, retail is in a long-term funk, and--according to Krugman--the slight dip in unemployment was a statistical anomaly. Here's Bob Herbert's great summary of the unemployment data:

"Some 247,000 jobs were lost in July, a number that under ordinary circumstances would send a shudder through the country. It was the smallest monthly loss of jobs since last summer. And for that reason, it was seen as a hopeful sign. The official monthly unemployment rate ticked down from 9.5 percent to 9.4 percent....The country has lost a crippling 6.7 million jobs since the Great Recession began in December 2007...

“The percentage of young American men who are actually working is the lowest it has been in the 61 years of record-keeping, according to the Center for Labor Market Studies at Northeastern University in Boston. Only 65 of every 100 men aged 20 through 24 years old were working on any given day in the first six months of this year. In the age group 25 through 34 years old, traditionally a prime age range for getting married and starting a family, just 81 of 100 men were employed.... The numbers are beyond scary; they’re catastrophic.

“This should be the biggest story in the United States. When joblessness reaches these kinds of extremes, it doesn’t just damage individual families; it corrodes entire communities, fosters a sense of hopelessness and leads to disorder....

“A truer picture of the employment crisis emerges when you combine the number of people who are officially counted as jobless with those who are working part time because they can’t find full-time work and those in the so-called labor market reserve — people who are not actively looking for work (because they have become discouraged, for example) but would take a job if one became available....The tally from those three categories is a mind-boggling 30 million Americans — 19 percent of the overall work force.

“This is, by far, the nation’s biggest problem and should be its No. 1 priority." ("A Scary Reality" Bob Herbert, New York Times)

Sorry, Bob, the media has no time for unemployment news. It tends to undermine the positive vibes from green shoots stories.

The stock market rally has made it harder for people to see the truth. But the facts haven't changed. Deflation is setting in across all sectors and the economy has reset at a lower rate of economic activity. Housing prices are falling, consumer spending is slowing, layoffs are rising, and demand is getting weaker. That means growth will be sub-par for the foreseeable future. Here's an excerpt from a speech given by San Francisco Fed Janet Yellen drawing the same conclusion:

"I don’t like taking the wind out of the sails of our economic expansion, but a few cautionary points should be considered... a massive shift in consumer behavior is under way.. American households entered this recession stretched to the limit with mortgage and other debt. The personal saving rate fell from around 8 per cent of disposable income two decades ago to almost zero. Households financed their lifestyles by drawing on increasing stock market and housing wealth, and taking on higher levels of debt. But falling house and stock prices have destroyed trillions of dollars in wealth, cutting off those ready sources of cash. What’s more, the stark realities of this recession have scared many households straight, convincing them that they need to save larger fractions of their incomes.... a rediscovery of thrift means fewer sales at the mall, and fewer jobs on assembly lines and store counters....

“This very weak economy is, if anything, putting downward pressure on wages and prices. We have already seen a noticeable slowdown in wage growth and reports of wage cuts have become increasingly prevalent—a sign of the sacrifices that some workers are making to keep their employers afloat and preserve their jobs. Businesses are also cutting prices and profit margins to boost sales..... With unemployment already substantial and likely to rise further, the downward pressure on wages and prices should continue and could intensify....

“If the economy fails to recover soon, it is conceivable that this very low inflation could turn into outright deflation. Worse still, if deflation were to intensify, we could find ourselves in a devastating spiral in which prices fall at an ever-faster pace and economic activity sinks more and more."

"Falling prices." "Deflation." "Devastating spiral." That's not the kind of honesty that one expects from a Fed chief. Yellen must have stopped drinking the lemonade.

And don't forget the banking system is still broken. Not a dime from the $700 billion TARP bailout was used to purchase toxic assets. The banks are still drowning in red ink. Bernanke has known since last September when Lehman Bros. defaulted, that the bad assets would have to be removed before the economy could recover. An underwater banking system is a constant drain on public resources and a drag on growth. Bernanke knows this, but rather than remove the assets by nationalizing the banks or restructuring their debt (as he should have done) he expanded the Fed's balance sheet by $1.2 trillion which provided the liquidity that financial institutions pumped into the stock market. "Bernanke's Rally" has generated the capital the banks needed to keep them from writing-down their debts or filing for Chapter 11, but the problems still persist right below the surface. Just this week, Elizabeth Warren's Congressional Oversight Panel released a damning report which stressed the need to address the issue of toxic assets. According to the COP's report:

"Financial stability remains at risk if the underlying problem of toxic assets remains unresolved.... If the economy worsens, especially if unemployment remains elevated or if the commercial real estate market collapses, then defaults will rise and the troubled assets will continue to deteriorate in value. Banks will incur further losses on their troubled assets. The financial system will remain vulnerable to the crisis conditions that TARP was meant to fix....

“Changing accounting standards helped the banks temporarily by allowing them greater leeway in describing their assets, but it did not change the underlying problem. In order to advance a full recovery in the economy, there must be greater transparency, accountability, and clarity, from both the government and banks, about the scope of the troubled asset problem.

“The problem of troubled assets is especially serious for the balance sheets of small banks. Small banks‘ troubled assets are generally whole loans, but Treasury‘s main program for removing troubled assets from banks‘ balance sheets, the PPIP will at present address only troubled mortgage securities and not whole loans.

“Given the ongoing uncertainty, vigilance is essential. If conditions exceed those in the worst case scenario of the recent stress tests, then stress-testing of the nation‘s largest banks should be repeated to evaluate what would happen if troubled assets suffered additional losses."

To sum up: There will be no real recovery until the toxic assets problem is resolved. Unfortunately, the Treasury and Fed have shown that they intend to sweep this issue under the rug for as long as possible.

Toxic assets, falling home prices, widespread malaise in the credit markets are just part of the problem. The deeper issue is the dismal condition of the US consumer who has seen his home equity dissipate, his retirement funds sawed in half,his access to credit curtailed, and his job put at risk. Ordinary working class Americans now face what David Rosenberg calls, "the era of consumer frugality---new paradigm of savings, asset liquidation and debt repayment ." Life styles will have to be toned-down and living standards lowered to meet the new deflationary reality. More and more people will be forced to jettison their credit cards and live within their means. It's not the end of the world, but it does foreshadow a protracted period of negative growth, social unrest and persistent high unemployment. Stock market euphoria can last a long time, but the laws of gravity still apply. Things will shake out eventually---and when they do--stocks will return to earth, debts will be written down, and a new era of thriftiness will ensue. Until then, it looks like we'll just keep faking it.
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22. Iceland: what ugly secrets are waiting to be exposed in the meltdown?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/6034654/Iceland-what-ugly-secrets-are-waiting-to-be-exposed-in-the-meltdown.html

Almost a year since the collapse of the Icelandic banks, the rotten nature of these financial corpses is slowly beginning to emerge.

For months rumours of share-ramping, market manipulation, excessive loans to their owners and unusual transfers off-shore have been circling Kaupthing, Glitnir and Landsbanki, whose failure last October left 300,000 British customers unable to access their money.

It has now become clear that this was no ordinary crash. Iceland's special investigation into "suspicions of criminal activity" at the three banks is likely to stretch from Reykjavik to London, Luxembourg and the British Virgin Islands.

Eva Joly, the French-Norwegian MEP and fraud expert hired by Iceland and now working with the Serious Fraud Office, now believes it will be "the largest investigation in history of an economic and banking bank collapse".

Many of the banks' secrets are likely to be inextricably bound up with corporate Britain and the success of these investigations in tracing and recovering assets is likely to affect every UK household.

Local authorities lost £1bn – or 5pc of all the money from council tax – in the over-leveraged institutions, leaving many facing the prospect of drastic cuts in services or steep hikes next year as they wait for the proceeds of the banks' administration to dribble through.

Although the Treasury can barely afford the UK's own bailout, it was forced to pay out £7.5bn to British savers who had internet accounts with Landsbanki's Icesave and Kaupthing's Edge with the uncertain prospect of getting the money back.

It now looks like Icelandic MPs will agree to pay £2.3bn to the Treasury to reimburse British savers up to the value of 20,887 euros (£18,054).

Not only did local authorities, charities and savers have billions tied up in its bank accounts, but a number of the City's wealthiest investors, from Robert Tchenguiz and the Candy Brothers to Kevin Stanford and Simon Halabi received hefty corporate loans from these insititutions.

But among the worst affected by the crisis are 10,000 savers with £840m tied up in Kaupthing in the Isle of Man and 2,000 savers with £117m in Landsbanki in Guernsey. All lost their entire savings with no compensation. Many are still waiting in line with a queue of commercial creditors.

When the banks were put into administration last October, experts believed that Iceland's banks had simply fallen prey to the global credit crisis.

But Dr Jon Danielsson, an Icelander who teaches economics at the London School of Economics, believes that while the timing of the crash was dictated by the global banking crisis, the scandal is unique among European financial institutions.

He believes the root of Iceland's problems that have now decimated its economy appear to have started when the government decided to privatise the banks in the early 1990s.

"Iceland got its regulations from the EU, which was basically sound," he says. "But the government had no understanding of the dangers of banks or how to supervise them. They got into the hands of people who took risks to the highest possible degree."

Kaupthing fell into the clutches of the Gudmundsson brothers, Ágúst and Lydur, who made their fortunes building up the Bakkavor food manufacturing empire, which supplies hundreds of supermarkets in the UK. Their investment vehicle, Exista, owned 23pc of the bank, counting Robert Tchenguiz, the London property entrepreneur as a board member.

Kaupthing's loan book, which was leaked on to the internet last week, shows that around one third, or €6bn (£5.1bn), of its €16bn corporate loan book was going to a small elite of men connected to the bank's owners and management.

Several investigations into Kaupthing centre on share ramping, where the bank would allegedly give loans with no interest or security in order to buy shares in that same bank – boosting the share price.

One particularly murky incident revolves around the acquisition of a 5pc stake in Kaupthing by a company called QFinance linked to Mohammed bin Khalifa Al-Thani, the Sheikh of Qatar. Several weeks before the banks collapsed, a press release stated that the transaction showed that "Kaupthing's position is strong and we believe in the bank's strategy and management."

Only after the bank collapsed several weeks later did it emerge that the Qatari investor "bought" the stake using a loan from Kaupthing itself and a holding company associated with one of its employees. The bank appears, in effect, to have been purchasing its own shares, which does not seem to be uncommon; investigators are also looking at a similar purchase of a 2.5pc stake in Kaupthing by London-based property entrepreneurs Moises and Mendi Gertner.

Officials have also questioned why loans to senior Kaupthing employees to buy shares in the bank were allegedly written off days before the collapse.

Companies connected to Exista, the Gudmundsson brothers' opaque investment vehicle that owned their stake in Kaupthing, received €1.86bn in loans. Their close business associate, Mr Tchenguiz, appears to have personally borrowed €1.74bn in loans to fund his private investments - from stakes in Sainsburys to Mitchells & Butlers. Mr Tchenguiz is now being sued by Kaupthing's administration committee for the return of £643m.

Kevin Stanford, co-founder of the Karen Millen retail chain and one of Britain's wealthiest retailers, also got €519m in loans and was Kaupthing's fourth biggest shareholder. His company's purchase of credit default swaps in the bank is also under scrutiny, though there is no suggestion of wrongdoing his or his companies' part.

According to the leaked document, many of these loans carried little or no security and were listed as belonging to Kaupthing's "exception list" – seemingly those who received banking services on favourable terms.

The loan books of Landsbanki and Glitnir remain in the hands of their administration committees – to the frustration of many Icelanders who fear they may yield equally unusual surprises.

Landsbanki was controlled by the Björgólfur clan, who made their money from the sale of a Russian brewery to Heineken.

Björgólfur Gudmundsson had left Iceland after minor convictions for false bookkeeping and the collapse of his shipping empire, but returned a billionaire to take a 45pc stake in the bank. His son, known as Thor, created a pharmaceuticals empire netting him riches of more than $3bn (£1.7bn).

These were the men who owned the bank responsible for Icesave accounts, the high-interest internet operations that took billions in deposits from 300,000 UK savers.

Information from Landsbanki's reports suggest that companies connected to the bank's board of directors received at least €300m in loans. It is also known that Landsbanki lent the chairman's son Björgólfur Thor Björgólfsson's company Novator significant amounts, but later claimed that it did not need to be disclosed since he was not a "related party".

Björgólfur Gudmundsson, who was also the owner of West Ham FC, has now been declared bankrupt.

Meanwhile Glitnir, the smallest bank, fell under the control of Jón Ásgeir Jóhannesson and related business associates. He was the conquering Viking of the Baugur private equity house that took over a huge number of British high street shops from Hamleys to House of Fraser. Barred from being a director in Iceland for minor false accounting charges, he moved his headquarters to Britain. Glitnir, though lower profile in Britain, has not escaped public scrutiny. It is known to have lent connected people at least €200m in loans.

FL Group, the investment company that owned Mr Jóhannesson's stake in Glitnir, is now the subject of a major investigation by Iceland's economic crime police. Once powerful enough to own a major stake in American Airlines and threaten to take over Easyjet, the company's collapse in October with debts exceeding £1bn was the first domino to fall in the Icelandic banking crisis.

A house belonging to FL Group's chief executive, Hannes Smarason, was raided by police looking into the sales and re-sales of Sterling Airlines, a Danish carrier that failed last year. Sources in the Icelandic authorities said the investigation centred on a period when Sterling was sold three times in just over a year among a number of people closely linked to the listed company.

Mr Jóhannesson himself, having been cleared of 40 charges of fraud and embezzlement in 2008, is now awaiting trial for tax offences.

So how did no one manage to spot that these banks were making precarious loans to benefit a very small number of people?

One London-based analyst at a large investment bank who followed Kaupthing, Glitnir and Landsbanki for many years is unsurprised at the some of the revelations. It is the ratings agencies and financial supervisors who must take the blame for failing to spot some tell-tale signs that some unusual activity was occurring, he claims.

"If you took one careful look at the annual reports you could see that loans to related parties was extremely high," he says. "Any normal bank might give his chief executive a mortgage but running into billions is certainly unusual. But getting money on the international markets was cheap and there was no penalty for not being a proper bank – as I don't believe these were."

One headache that may have caused the regulators to back away was the banks' complex ownership structures involving a constantly shifting mess of investment vehicles and holding companies. All the banks appear to have sold and re-sold stakes, shifted around top management staff and lent each other's owners large amounts.

By Christmas 2007, a handful of analysts were beginning to suspect that something was up. It looked like the Icelandic banks were finding it even more difficult than most to raise money on the international markets, turning instead more European depositors to fund their loan operations. This gave birth to Landsbanki's Icesave and Kaupthing Edge.

Per Lofgrem, an analyst for Morgan Stanley, wrote at the time: "New funding has not come from traditional sources. The acquisitions of Derbyshire Building Society and Robeco were made in order to get hold of their deposit bases. We also believe that the bank would have used better-known markets than Mexico to issue debt if more conventional markets were open."

Others warned investors strongly to stay away from them. Andreas Hakansson, an analyst for UBS in Sweden, repeatedly wrote client notes stressing that the complexity and vulnerability of the banks.

Kaupthing Edge started marketing to British savers in February 2008 and was fast building up a deposit base. And all, including Glitnir, had been recommended by advisors to local authorities as a good high-interest place to put their savings.

As Kaupthing, Landsbanki and Glitnir appeared to be on the brink of collapse in the autumn of last year, an army of spin doctors tried to persuade the UK that the banks were the target of a media conspiracy to discredit them.

By October, the money and time to fix problems had run out. The banks fell into administration one by one over the course of one week and Iceland's currency plunged.

Since then, Iceland has had an overwhelming battle to get its economy back on track that included a bail-out package led by the International Monetary Fund. It has not been helped by a political row with the UK over who is responsible for compensating Icesave depositors . Having agreed to pay Britain £2.3bn plus 5.5pc interest in compensation up to €20,887 for each Icesave account, the population is in revolt over the bill they have to pick up for the excesses of a few wealthy men.

So how are these investigations likely to end? One major issue faced by the investigators is the tightly-knit nature of the financial community, where family and friendship ties are everywhere.

KPMG in Iceland, which was meant to be conducting a forensic investigation into the collapse of Glitnir, had to resign when it emerged that its chief executive, Sigurdur Jónsson, was the father of the bank's biggest shareholder.

The government, anxious to clear the old guard from the new banks, ordered former employees off the administration committees. Glitnir and Kaupthing immediately re-hired them as consultants.

However, Ólafur Ísleifsson, a professor of business at the University of Reykjavik and former advisor to the IMF, believes the banks are already in recovery mode

"Some of the information that has already been revealed is quite shocking," he says. "But an important step consists of recent decisions that place the new banks on a secure financial footing.

Dr Danielsson disagrees, arguing that the financial system is still cripple by bad banks and a lack of trust in the authorities. "Things have not been able to progress and are getting worse," he says. "The government needs to act to try to find anyone who is guilty and punish those people. That is important for the country to heal."
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 08:32 AM
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49. Magic - when my curser is over the last half of the article

the color changes from black to red. How did you do that!


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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 04:25 PM
Response to Reply #49
95. No Idea
Edited on Tue Aug-25-09 04:47 PM by Demeter
It does it for me, too. I thought I was seeing things.

It's more of a naval orange shade, on my machine....
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tclambert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 04:37 PM
Response to Reply #49
97. Ooh, ooh, Mr. Kotter, I know this one!
You click your heels three times while chanting, "Go Red! Go Red! Go Red!" No, wait, that's the cheer for Stanford.

You use this to change font color, size, or typeface:

(font color="color" size="size" face="face")your text(/font)

Just replace the parentheses with square brackets.
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tclambert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 04:39 PM
Response to Reply #97
98. Oh, no, this is something else.
That's freaky.
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tclambert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 04:45 PM
Response to Reply #98
99. There has to be some secret HTML code buried in there.
How can we find it? Can we make it blink, too? Ozy would have to add a warning for epileptics.
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 04:50 PM
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101. something psychedelic

wake me up in the mornings
:)
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 06:39 AM
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24. Debt: 08/21/2009 11,719,258,192,538.99 (DOWN 1,570,362,841.17) (Up 1/3B$, FICA down 1.9B$.)
(Debt up one third of a billion, while the FICA side goes down a tenth of a billion less than two billion.)

= Held by the Public + Intragovernmental(FICA)
= 7,385,460,451,439.75 + 4,333,797,741,099.24
UP 333,547,281.04 + DOWN 1,903,910,122.21

Source: Debt to the penny:
http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/BPDLogin?application=np

THINKING IN BILLIONS: Think 3 or 4 dollars per billion in a 307-Million person America.
If every American, man, woman and child puts in $3.25 each THAT'S 1B$.
A family of three: Mom, Dad, Child: $9.76, ABOUT TEN BUCKS for a 1B$ federal program.
I hope that is clear. However, I'd suggest using $3 per 1B$ to underestimate it.
Use $4 per 1B$ to overestimate the cost when thinking: Is the federal program worth it?
Aid to Dependant Children: 2B$/yr =$8/yr(a movie a year) Family of 3: $24/yr(an hour of bowling)

PERSONALIZED DEBT:
Every 10 seconds we net gain a another American, so at the end of the workday of the report, there should be 307,236,981 people in America.
http://www.census.gov/population/www/popclockus.html ON 08/24/2009 13:24 -> 307,261,605
Currently, each of these Americans owe $38,144.04.
A family of three owes $114,432.11. (And that is IN ADDITION to their mortgage.)

ANALYSIS:
There were 24 reports in the last 30 to 31 days.
The average for the last 24 reports is 4,787,257,227.22.
The average for the last 30 days would be 3,829,805,781.78.
The average for the last 31 days would be 3,706,263,659.78.
There were 252 reports in 365 days of FY2007 averaging 1.99B$ per report, 1.37B$/day.
There were 253 reports in 366 days of FY2008 averaging 4.02B$ per report, 2.78B$/day.
There were 75 reports in 112 days of GWB's part of FY2009 averaging 8.03B$ per report, 5.38B$/day.
There were 148 reports in 213 days of Obama's part of FY2009 averaging 7.33B$ per report, 5.13B$/day so far.
There were 223 reports in 325 days of FY2009 averaging 7.60B$ per report, 5.21B$/day.

PROJECTION:
There are 1,248 days remaining in this Obama 1st term.
By that time the debt could be between 13.4 and 18.2T$.
It could be higher. It could be lower.

HISTORICAL:
President's term begins and ends on Jan 20.
(Guess who might want to hide the Reagan Bush years. Jan 20 data is missing before 1993.)
01/20/1993 _4,188,092,107,183.60 WJC Inaugural
01/22/2001 _5,728,195,796,181.57 WJC (UP 1,540,103,688,997.97)
01/20/2009 10,626,877,048,913.08 GWB (UP 4,898,681,252,731.43)
08/21/2009 11,719,258,192,538.99 BHO (UP 1,092,381,143,625.91 so far since Obama took office.)

Fiscal Year ends: Sep 30
Borrowed in FY1993: (Maybe later.)
Borrowed in FY1994: 281,261,026,873.94
Borrowed in FY1995: 281,232,990,696.07
Borrowed in FY1996: 250,828,038,426.34
Borrowed in FY1997: 188,335,072,261.61
Borrowed in FY1998: 113,046,997,500.28
Borrowed in FY1999: 130,077,892,735.81
Borrowed in FY2000: _17,907,308,253.43 Bill alone
Borrowed in FY2001: 133,285,202,313.20 Bill and George
Borrowed in FY2002: 420,772,553,397.10 All George
Borrowed in FY2003: 554,995,097,146.46
Borrowed in FY2004: 595,821,633,586.70
Borrowed in FY2005: 553,656,965,393.18
Borrowed in FY2006: 574,264,237,491.73
Borrowed in FY2007: 500,679,473,047.25
Borrowed in FY2008: 1,017,071,524,650.01
Borrowed in FY2009: 1,694,533,295,626.50 so far this fiscal year.

LAST FIFTEEN REPORTS OF ADDITIONS TO PUBLIC DEBT(NOT FICA):
08/03/2009 -005,083,538,887.00 -- Mon
08/04/2009 -000,056,382,262.77 ----
08/05/2009 +000,017,974,078.47 ------------*******
08/06/2009 -000,578,106,269.92 ---
08/07/2009 +000,290,467,707.81 ------------********
08/10/2009 +000,222,135,743.03 ------------******** Mon
08/11/2009 +000,246,752,500.45 ------------********
08/12/2009 +000,081,638,592.29 ------------*******
08/13/2009 +004,096,319,823.99 ------------*********
08/14/2009 +000,017,806,259.60 ------------*******
08/17/2009 +012,224,191,599.44 ------------********** Mon
08/18/2009 +036,282,270,009.21 ------------**********
08/19/2009 +000,703,521,737.77 ------------********
08/20/2009 +001,088,553,104.23 ------------*********
08/21/2009 +000,333,547,281.04 ------------********

49,887,151,017.64 Total of 15 above reports.

Heavy borrowing seems to start after 09/18/2008 while Bush was in power.
Since then US borrowed $2,054,626,389,279.92 in last 337 days.

For a prettier and more explanatory view of our nation's debt:
http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock

(Debt to the penny keeps changing. Stuff is missing. Best to keep our own history.) LAST REPORT:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=4029565&mesg_id=4029594
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 03:34 PM
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84. Debt: 08/24/2009 11,719,060,925,865.86 (DOWN 197,266,673.13) (GWB/BHO amounts.)
(Debt up .472 billion, while the FICA side goes down .669 billion dollars. Added fiscal year calculations from time GWB left and from time heavy borrowing occurred.)

= Held by the Public + Intragovernmental(FICA)
= 7,385,932,492,348.44 + 4,333,128,433,517.42
UP 472,040,908.69 + DOWN 669,307,581.82

Source: Debt to the penny:
http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/BPDLogin?application=np

THINKING IN BILLIONS: Think 3 or 4 dollars per billion in a 307-Million person America.
If every American, man, woman and child puts in $3.25 each THAT'S 1B$.
A family of three: Mom, Dad, Child: $9.76, ABOUT TEN BUCKS for a 1B$ federal program.
I hope that is clear. However, I'd suggest using $3 per 1B$ to underestimate it.
Use $4 per 1B$ to overestimate the cost when thinking: Is the federal program worth it?
Aid to Dependant Children: 2B$/yr =$8/yr(a movie a year) Family of 3: $24/yr(an hour of bowling)

PERSONALIZED DEBT:
Every 10 seconds we net gain a another American, so at the end of the workday of the report, there should be 307,262,901 people in America.
http://www.census.gov/population/www/popclockus.html ON 08/24/2009 13:24 -> 307,261,605
Currently, each of these Americans owe $38,140.18.
A family of three owes $114,420.53. (And that is IN ADDITION to their mortgage.)

ANALYSIS:
There were 22 reports in the last 30 to 31 days.
The average for the last 22 reports is 5,115,105,806.19.
The average for the last 30 days would be 3,751,077,591.20.
The average for the last 31 days would be 3,630,075,088.26.
There were 252 reports in 365 days of FY2007 averaging 1.99B$ per report, 1.37B$/day.
There were 253 reports in 366 days of FY2008 averaging 4.02B$ per report, 2.78B$/day.
There were 75 reports in 112 days of GWB's part of FY2009 averaging 8.03B$ per report, 5.38B$/day.
There were 149 reports in 216 days of Obama's part of FY2009 averaging 7.28B$ per report, 5.06B$/day so far.
There were 224 reports in 328 days of FY2009 averaging 7.56B$ per report, 5.17B$/day.

PROJECTION:
There are 1,245 days remaining in this Obama 1st term.
By that time the debt could be between 13.4 and 18.2T$.
It could be higher. It could be lower.

HISTORICAL:
President's term begins and ends on Jan 20.
(Guess who might want to hide the Reagan Bush years. Jan 20 data is missing before 1993.)
01/20/1993 _4,188,092,107,183.60 WJC Inaugural
01/22/2001 _5,728,195,796,181.57 WJC (UP 1,540,103,688,997.97)
01/20/2009 10,626,877,048,913.08 GWB (UP 4,898,681,252,731.43)
08/24/2009 11,719,060,925,865.86 BHO (UP 1,092,183,876,952.78 so far since Obama took office.)

Fiscal Year ends: Sep 30
Borrowed in FY1993: (Maybe later.)
Borrowed in FY1994: 281,261,026,873.94
Borrowed in FY1995: 281,232,990,696.07
Borrowed in FY1996: 250,828,038,426.34
Borrowed in FY1997: 188,335,072,261.61
Borrowed in FY1998: 113,046,997,500.28
Borrowed in FY1999: 130,077,892,735.81
Borrowed in FY2000: _17,907,308,253.43 Bill alone
Borrowed in FY2001: 133,285,202,313.20 Bill and George
Borrowed in FY2002: 420,772,553,397.10 All George
Borrowed in FY2003: 554,995,097,146.46
Borrowed in FY2004: 595,821,633,586.70
Borrowed in FY2005: 553,656,965,393.18
Borrowed in FY2006: 574,264,237,491.73
Borrowed in FY2007: 500,679,473,047.25
Borrowed in FY2008: 1,017,071,524,650.01
Borrowed in FY2009: 1,694,336,028,953.40 so far this fiscal year, broken down below:
Borrowed in FY2009: 0,602,152,152,000.59 in part from time during Bush reign.
Borrowed in FY2009: 1,092,183,876,952.78 in part since Obama takes over.


LAST FIFTEEN REPORTS OF ADDITIONS TO PUBLIC DEBT(NOT FICA):
08/04/2009 -000,056,382,262.77 ----
08/05/2009 +000,017,974,078.47 ------------*******
08/06/2009 -000,578,106,269.92 ---
08/07/2009 +000,290,467,707.81 ------------********
08/10/2009 +000,222,135,743.03 ------------******** Mon
08/11/2009 +000,246,752,500.45 ------------********
08/12/2009 +000,081,638,592.29 ------------*******
08/13/2009 +004,096,319,823.99 ------------*********
08/14/2009 +000,017,806,259.60 ------------*******
08/17/2009 +012,224,191,599.44 ------------********** Mon
08/18/2009 +036,282,270,009.21 ------------**********
08/19/2009 +000,703,521,737.77 ------------********
08/20/2009 +001,088,553,104.23 ------------*********
08/21/2009 +000,333,547,281.04 ------------********
08/24/2009 +000,472,040,908.69 ------------******** Mon

55,442,730,813.33 Total of 15 above reports.

Heavy borrowing seems to start after 09/18/2008 while Bush was in power JUST BEFORE fiscal year end.
Bush admin borrowed $962,245,245,654.01 in those last 124 days in office crossing two fiscal years.
$360,093,093,653.42 in last 12 days of FY2008, and $602,152,152,000.59 in subsequent 112 days before leaving office.

For a prettier and more explanatory view of our nation's debt:
http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock

(Debt to the penny keeps changing. Stuff is missing. Best to keep our own history.) LAST REPORT:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=4031190&mesg_id=4031277
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Epoon Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 06:40 AM
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25. Interesting social change
http://www.alternet.org/reproductivejustice/142119/why_breast_implants_are_deflating_along_with_the_economy/?page=entire
Why Breast Implants Are Deflating Along with the Economy

A third theory

All of that makes sense, but perhaps another deflationary pressure is the fact that conspicuous consumption of all kinds is getting the cut, be it DD boobs or brand-name outfits. Large implants have always looked like, well, implants, and that kind of 'bling' is as outdated as the word itself. For the moment, modesty, not excess, is in vogue, and some women are changing their bodies to suit.
.......
Where have we landed here? Economists used to muse that the confident mood of the nation's consumers rose and fell with hem lines. Are we in an age of such artificial adjustments to the body that one can gauge where society is headed by the breast sizes most commonly pushed by plastic surgeons?
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Epoon Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 06:42 AM
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26. Older but Nader speaks plain.
http://www.democracynow.org/2009/8/14/you_dont_cut_deals_with_the
“You Do Not Cut Deals with the System that Has to Be Replaced”: Ralph Nader on Secret White House Agreements with the Drug Industry

RALPH NADER: What is emerging here is what was being planned by the Obama White House all along, which is they would only—they would only demand legislation that was accepted by the big drug companies and the big health insurance companies.

You can see this emerging over the last few months. President Obama has met with the heads of the drug companies and the health insurance companies. Some executives have met with President Obama four to five times in the White House in the last few months. He has never met with the longtime leaders of the “Full Medicare for Everybody” movement, including Dr. Quentin Young, who is a close friend of his in Chicago; Dr. Sidney Wolfe, the head of the Health Research Group of Public Citizen; Rose Ann DeMoro, the leader of the fast-growing California Nurses Association—not once in the White House.

That’s all you need to know to realize that the deal that’s being cut here is from Obama to Senator Baucus, the Blue Dog senator from Montana, who is cutting a deal, largely in private, with right-wing Republican senators and getting it through the Senate and presenting Henry Waxman and John Dingle and others in the House with a fait accompli. So whatever they pass in the House will be watered down in the Senate-House conference. And what we’ll end up with is another patchwork piece of legislation, allowing huge and expanded profits for the health insurance companies and the drug companies, and continuing this pay-or-die system that has plagued this country for decades, a system that takes 20,000 lives a year, according to the Institute of Medicine of the National Academy of Sciences. That’s about fifty to sixty people who die every day.

The big mistake that the Obama administration made was they did not have continual public congressional hearings documenting the greed, the fraud, the $250 billion in billing fraud and abuse alone that the GAO years ago has documented. They didn’t document the $350 billion of waste, the overhead of Aetna and UnitedHealthcare and other health insurance companies with their massive executive salaries and bureaucracies. They did not document the deaths, the injuries, the sickness that hundreds of thousands of Americans go through every year because they can’t afford healthcare. And by not doing that, by playing this behind-the-scenes game with these executives from the big health-industrial complex, they were vulnerable to the split in their own party in the House, with the Blue Dog Democrats emboldened by an apparently wavering and indecisive President Obama, and they made sure that they were placed on the defensive.
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Epoon Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 06:48 AM
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27. Financial Crisis Called Off
http://kunstler.com/blog/2009/08/financial-crisis-called-off.html#more
Financial Crisis Called Off

To sum it all up, the US economy is in recovery. Paul Krugman says that we'll soon realize that Gross Domestic Product (GDP) is growing. He actually said that on the Sunday TV chat circuit. Not to put too fine a point on it, but I would really like to know what you mean by that Paul, you fatuous wanker. Do you mean that the Atlanta homebuilders are going to open up a new suburban frontier down in Twiggs County so that commuters can enjoy driving Chrysler Crossfires a hundred and sixty miles a day to new jobs as flash traders in the Peachtree Plaza? Do you mean that the Home Equity Fairy is going to wade into the sea of foreclosure and save twenty million mortgage holders currently sojourning in the fathomless depths with the anglerfish? Do you mean that all the bales of deliquescing, toxic "assets" hidden in the vaults of Citibank, JP Morgan, Bank of America, et al, (not to mention on the books of every pension fund in the USA, and not a few elsewhere) will magically turn into Little Debbie Snack Cakes on Labor Day weekend? Do you mean that American Express and Master Card are about to declare a Jubilee on accounts in default everywhere? Do you mean that General Motors will produce a car that a.) anyone really wants to buy and b.) that the company can sell at a profit? Are you saying we get a do-over, going back to, say, 1981? Did we win some cosmic lottery that hasn't been announced yet? What's growing in this country besides unemployment, bankruptcy, repossession, liquidation, gun ownership, and suicidal despair? In short, are you out of your mind, Paul Krugman?

The key to the current madness, of course, is this expectation, this wish, really, that all the rackets, games, dodges, scams, and workarounds that American banking, business, and government devised over the past thirty years - to cover up the dismal fact that we produce so little of real value­ these days - will just magically return to full throttle, like a machine that has spent a few weeks in the repair shop. This is not going to happen, of course. It is permanently and irredeemably broken - this Rube Goldberg contraption of swindles all based on the idea that it's possible to get something for nothing. And more to the point, we're really doing nothing to reconstruct our economy along lines that are consistent with the realities of energy, geopolitics, or resource scarcity. So far, our notions about a "green" economy amount to little more than blowing green smoke up our collective ass. We think we're going to build "green" skyscrapers! We're too dumb to see what a contradiction in terms this is. The architects are completely uninterested in the one thing that really is "green" - traditional urban design - and most particularly the walkable neighborhood. That's just too conventional, not special enough, lacking in star power, not enough of a statement, boring, tedious, so not cutting edge! We blather about high speed rail, but you can't even get from Cleveland to Cincinnati on a regular train - and what's more amazing, nobody is really interested in making this happen. All we really care about is finding some miracle method to keep all the cars running.

What we've been seeing is nothing more than a massive pump-and-dump operation in the stock markets, most of it executed by programmed robot traders, with the trading nut provided by taxpayers current and future. These shenanigans add up to new risks and fragilities so extreme that the next time a grain of sand catches in the exquisite machinery they will sink the USA as a viable enterprise. We will end up discrediting not just capitalism, but also the idea of capital per se, that is, of deployable acquired wealth. As this occurs, of course, events on-the-ground will give new meaning to the term "reality television."
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 07:38 AM
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40. What He Said--and More So
Back when I used to look for "real work", I would interview a firm, and try to figure out what value I would bring to a job, and what value the job would bring to me. I would try to see where the women were in the organization, too. There usually wasn't any there, there. To get paid to sit around in a office, pushing paper that would be ignored or worse, come back to haunt me, seemed insane.

I guess I'm just a worker, not a wanker, at heart. I want to produce something of value, that people will want to keep and use. I want to provide a service that people need badly, that isn't just ego-massaging for someone making far more money than he'll ever need or I'll ever see.

Values have consequences. Pick your values wisely. And make sure your goals match your values. Then see if society will support them.
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OverDone Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 06:49 AM
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28. Hi
Hi Ozymandius, I'm newer to this site, but thanks again for the welcome a while back. I definitely log on when I can to get my daily dose of real news hahaha. I go to alot of your handy links you have posted. I had another site that I mention once before www.dailyjobcuts.com , seems to fit in the category and be very helpful. I was just throwing that out there if you wanted to check it out, or not your call. Anyways thanks again, this is my main area to come too
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OverDone Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 11:45 AM
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75. Sorry should of said hi Ozymandius :-)
Sorry still new at posting. I just wanted a better subject vs HI hahaha
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Epoon Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 06:51 AM
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30. 42 million clunkers to go
I love symbolism over function.

http://money.cnn.com/2009/08/24/news/economy/cash_for_clunkers_environment/

All told, about 750,000 clunkers will be traded in by the time the program officially ends at 8 p.m. ET on Monday, according to an estimate by George Pipas, sales analyst for Ford Motor Co.

That would be roughly 2% of the approximately 42 million fuel hoggers still clunking along

......

The transmission in a clunked car also becomes unusable, he said. The engine and the transmission are the most valuable parts of any vehicle and require the most resources to manufacture, Wilson said.

"To produce an engine takes more energy than any other part," said Wilson. "We think that is going to have a minimal environmental benefit to it, if any."
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Epoon Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 06:53 AM
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31. Will the United States Default?
Militarizing debt?

http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2009/08/will_the_united.html
Other countries that have defaulted have not had the option of enacting wealth taxes. When you are in a banana republic with shaky government finances and you have a lot of wealth, you send that wealth over to the United States, where your government cannot get to it. That "safe haven" motive is what keeps the dollar so strong. Anyway, by the time the banana republic gets around to enacting a wealth tax, all the wealth has fled the country and there is nothing left to tax. So the banana republic defaults.

As the U.S. government's finances deteriorate, it will strengthen its hold on its citizens' wealth. My guess is that you will see tighter laws that restrict your ability to hide wealth overseas and much more enforcement of those laws.

Basically, if a banana republic says to us, "Help us keep the wealth of our citizens," we can say no. On the other hand, if we tell another country, "Help us keep the wealth of our citizens," that country will co-operate. This asymmetry reflects the distribution of military power.

So what I am saying is that the ultimate guarantor against a U.S. government default is the U.S. Navy. Because of the navy, the U.S. government can control the policies of other governments. Because it can control the policies of other governments, the U.S. government is in a position to dictate whose wealth can flee where. Because the U.S. government can stop our wealth from fleeing, the U.S. could enact a wealth tax. Because it could enact a wealth tax, the U.S. is unlikely to default on its debt.
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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 04:54 PM
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104. Ding ding ding!
Except, the US is not going to enact a wealth tax until it is forced to.

And then, it will probably also be too late.
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 05:43 PM
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114. Agreed
I see this in the accord with Switzerland over the secret bank accounts, don't you?
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Epoon Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 07:03 AM
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34. China's getting all jiggy.
Three separate articles.
China has done a couple of interesting media actions to avoid fees. A few years ago they created their own dvd standard to avoid paying royalties. More recently China created it's own hddvd standard mainly for the same reason.
Which makes the rare metals article even more interesting.
If China is planning an end run around present technologies to avoid excessive royalty and licensing fees we could see a new generation of Chinese made goods at even cheaper prices.In the long run driving out the more expensive western technological goods.
There is even the potential for adding backdoor kill switchs to certain items. It may sound paranoid, but recently there was some fear that US military hardware made in China already had that option applied.

http://theautomaticearth.blogspot.com/
China powers ahead as it seizes the green energy crown from Europe

China is running away with the green technology prize. It has conquered a third of the world market for solar cells and is on a breakneck course to build 100 gigawatts of wind turbines by 2020, doubling again the global capacity for wind power across vast stretches of Inner Mongolia and Xinjiang. Suntech Power in Wuxi has just broken the world record for capturing photovoltaic solar energy, achieving a 15.6pc conversion rate with a commercial-grade module.

Trina Solar is neck-and-neck with America's First Solar, the low-cost star that has already broken the cost barrier of $1 (61p) per watt with thin film based on cadmium telluride. The Chinese trio of Suntech, Trina and Yingling all expect to be below 70 cents per watt by 2012, bringing the magical goal of "grid parity" with fossil fuels into grasp. The concept of grid parity is subject to fierce debate, mostly revolving around which form of fuel – nuclear, oil, coal, or renewables – enjoys the biggest implicit subsidy, and what the future price of crude is likely to be. Parity has already been achieved in hot spots. First Solar's 10-megawatt plant in Nevada can produce electricity without subsidies for 7.5 cents per kilowatt hour compared to 9 cents for fossil-based power.

Coal Rally Ending as China Shuns Imports, Opens Mines

China’s unprecedented appetite for imported coal is about to be sated, jeopardizing a five-month rally in prices by adding to a global surplus of the fuel used in power plants from Perth to Chicago. After importing a record 48 million tons in the first six months, China is opening mines idled by worker deaths this year following safety upgrades in a bid to bolster economic growth. Huadian Power International Corp. expects China’s largest coal- mining province, Shanxi, to boost output by 60 percent in the second half of the year. That would mean an increase of 150 million metric tons, almost twice what Germany burns annually.

With little need to buy coal outside the country, prices may tumble, falling as much as 7 percent in Europe alone, Barclays Capital says. China’s purchases will plunge 33 percent between June 30 and Dec. 31, based on the median estimate of four analysts surveyed by Bloomberg. "In the first half, China really supported the market and put a pretty firm floor under the thermal-coal price because it was sucking in so many imports," said Andrew Harrington, an analyst at Patersons Securities Ltd. in Sydney. "It’s difficult to be confident that it will continue at such a rate."

China’s July coal imports fell 13 percent to 13.9 million tons from 16 million tons in June, a record high, customs data show today. Demand from China, which uses coal to generate about 80 percent of its electricity, helped ease a global supply glut that sent U.S. inventories to an 18-year high. A retreat in prices may curb profit at Xstrata Plc, the mining company that is the biggest shipper of coal for power stations, said Nick Hatch, an analyst at ING Groep NV in London. Coal was the biggest contributor to operating earnings last year for Zug, Switzerland-based Xstrata, which boosted output of the mineral by 11 percent in the first half.

World faces hi-tech crunch as China eyes ban on rare metal exports

Beijing is drawing up plans to prohibit or restrict exports of rare earth metals that are produced only in China and play a vital role in cutting edge technology, from hybrid cars and catalytic converters, to superconductors, and precision-guided weapons. A draft report by China’s Ministry of Industry and Information Technology has called for a total ban on foreign shipments of terbium, dysprosium, yttrium, thulium, and lutetium. Other metals such as neodymium, europium, cerium, and lanthanum will be restricted to a combined export quota of 35,000 tonnes a year, far below global needs.

China mines over 95pc of the world’s rare earth minerals, mostly in Inner Mongolia. The move to horde reserves is the clearest sign to date that the global struggle for diminishing resources is shifting into a new phase. Countries may find it hard to obtain key materials at any price. Alistair Stephens, from Australia’s rare metals group Arafura, said his contacts in China had been shown a copy of the draft -- `Rare Earths Industry Devlopment Plan 2009-2015’. Any decision will be made by China’s State Council.

"This isn’t about the China holding the world to ransom. They are saying we need these resources to develop our own economy and achieve energy efficiency, so go find your own supplies", he said. Mr Stephens said China had put global competitors out of business in the early 1990s by flooding the market, leading to the closure of the biggest US rare earth mine at Mountain Pass in California - now being revived by Molycorp Minerals.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 07:13 AM
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35. dollar watch


http://quotes.ino.com/chart/?acs=NYBOT_DX&v=i

Last trade 78.057 Change -0.150 (-0.19%)

US Dollar Carving Out Bottom Against Most Major Currencies

http://www.dailyfx.com/story/bio2/US_Dollar_Carving_Out_Bottom_1251171876715.html

The US Dollar looks to be forming a bottom against most major currencies. Although confirmation is yet to be seen, accumulating evidence is hinting at a reversal of recent rallies in the Euro, the British Pound as well as the Australian and New Zealand Dollars.



...more...


Euro Reverses Losses, As Traders Ignore Bearish Comments From ECB's Mersch

http://www.dailyfx.com/story/bio1/Euro_Reverses_Losses__As_Traders_1251194068023.html

The Euro has reversed earlier losses derived from bearish comments from ECB member Mersch as equity markets have firmed. The single currency initially fell sharply on the policy maker’s remarks that the current recovery is not sustainable because it is dependant on public funds which offset bullish sentiment derived from the final German GDP figures confirming a 0.3% expansion in 2Q GDP. The EUR/USD fell to as low as 1.4252 before finding support to trade back above 1.4300.

In looking at the breakdown of the GDP figures we see that imports and domestic demand were revised lower which supports Mersch’s contention that “without such a sustainable development of demand there will be no new investment”. He would go onto to say that private investment will be lacking without an increase in consumer consumption. Therefore, without the increase in private investment that job creation will be limited making it difficult for spending to significantly increase. Additionally, banks are still reluctant to lend as they continue to make provisions for an increase in credit defaults. Further tightening of lending standards could choke off potential growth and increase the risk of another downturn. The Euro continues to be linked to risk appetite and if we see U.S. equity markets look to trade higher then the single currency could follow suit.

The British pound is also threatening to erase earlier losses as it is finding support from the highest level in mortgage approvals since February, 2008. The BBA measurement of home loans rose to 38,181 from 35,235 as the housing markets continues to make improvements. However, concerns still remain that loans to consumers and small businesses remain difficult to attain which could threaten a U.K. recovery. Support at 1.6390-61.8% Fibo of 1.5982-1.7045is a key level to watch today.

The U.S. dollar remained firm overnight as we saw a pull back in risk appetite during Asian and European trade. However, we have started to see commodity dollars recoup some of their losses and U.S. futures creeping back into positive territory. Therefore, we could see a reversal in sentiment, especially if the slew of U.S. data due to cross the wires supports a brighter outlook. The S&P Case Shiller home price index is forecasted to show that the pace of decline in home prices is continuing to slow. The stabilization of the housing sector is a key variable in a U.S. recovery, especially as it will bring an en to the deterioration of Americans wealth that they have been experiencing the past two years. Indeed, we may see this reflected in the consumer confidence reading which economists are predicting will rise to 47.9 from 46.6.. Although, it is an improvement it is still far from May’s reading of 54.80 signaling tha there remains a great deal of concern over a potential recovery.



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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 07:28 AM
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36. Appetite returning to US muni bond market
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/e5cc78ca-900d-11de-bc59-00144feabdc0.html

Borrowing costs for highly rated states, cities and other public entities in the US have dropped from the crisis levels of last year to below historical norms, reflecting demand from retail investors as well as federal subsidies for the $2,700bn municipal bond market.

The market for municipal bonds – or “munis” – was hit hard when the financial markets froze up last year, prompting calls for government support and greater oversight by regulators. Attractive yields and income tax breaks unique to this type of debt have attracted individual investors to the asset class.

The development of so-called Build America Bonds has also improved financing conditions. Under the stimulus package, muni issuers receive a subsidy for 35 per cent of the interest if they sell fully taxable bonds to fund infrastructure projects. Through this programme, issuers have raised a total of $27bn this year, according to Thomson Reuters.

Yields on double-A rated muni bonds at the end of last week were 4.20 per cent for 20 years compared with an average of 4.77 per cent over the past decade, according to Richard Ciccarone of McDonnell Investment Management.

Lower rated muni bonds have not recovered to the same extent as the debt of higher rated issuers, Mr Ciccarone said, indicating that investors remain wary of risky debt...Critics of additional layers of regulation point to the dramatic improvement in market conditions over the past three to six months as support for the status quo. The Securities and Exchange Commission is expected to review public comments about proposals on disclosure related to munis in early September and decide whether to recommend changes.
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burf Donating Member (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 07:47 AM
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43. Good morning to all!
Edited on Tue Aug-25-09 08:10 AM by burf
I don't know if this was posted but thought it might be of interest to the SMW crowd.

Financial Crisis Called Off
by James Howard Kunstler

Whew, what a relief! Everybody from Ben Bernanke and a Who's Who of banking poobahs schmoozing it up in the heady vapors of Jackson Hole, Wyoming, to the dull scribes at The New York Times, toiling in their MC Escher hall of mirrors, to poor dim James Surowiecki over at The New Yorker, to - wonder of wonders! - the Green Shoots claque at the cable networks, to the assorted quants, grinds, nerds, pimps, factotums, catamites, and cretins in every office from the Bureau of Labor Statistics to the International Monetary Fund - every man-Jack and woman-Jill around the levers of power and opinion weighed in last week with glad tidings that the world's capital finance system survived what turned out to be a mere protracted bout of heartburn and has been reborn as the Miracle Bull economy. Our worries over. If you believe their bullshit. Which I don't.

Link: http://kunstler.com/blog/2009/08/financial-crisis-called-off.html#more

It is also posted at The Automatic Earth.

It is a long read, but well worth it. Kunstler says what many here have been writing for quite a while.

A good day to all!
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 05:50 PM
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115. Wonderful, hilarious first paragraph! " And I thought HST was the last word in
Edited on Tue Aug-25-09 06:03 PM by Joe Chi Minh
invective.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 07:48 AM
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44. The Heartbreak of Econometrics Is Striking Early Today
Some days the news gets to me faster than others. I'm taking a break and going downtown to see the Star Trek touring exhibit. I'll bring back a full report! Carry on, everybody! (as you always do).
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 09:19 AM
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57. Bring me back one of those cool ST jump drives loaded with Trekker stuff!
:bounce:

I read about it on a box of Cheez-its!
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 04:46 PM
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100. Well I'm Back!
Edited on Tue Aug-25-09 05:21 PM by Demeter
Sorry, Hugin, the exhibit was HIGHLY under-merchandized. It's the final 2 weeks of the show, but they don't even have T-shirts above size small!

what can I say? They did a lot to make it real flashy. The freight elevator was rigged out as a ship's elevator, the ticket taker was in Star Fleet red uniform--New Generation style, and he pretended the elevator was voice-activated. There was a visitor, I think, in the green skin of the Orion slave girl. There were many costumes on display, which looked rather ordinary and dull without the shining personalities in them, and various props, obviously made of wood. The sets were mostly new construction, but still obviously just sets. I could make better out of the junk in my father's basement (he seems to believe that main frames will someday have renewed value, beyond the scrap metal in them). There were movie clips and lots of visual displays and audio displays, and a mock up of the Guardian of Time from the City on the Edge of Forever, complete with tape loop.

I guess the best way to put it is, it is a static show. But the latest film was showing in the IMAX theater, which was a 67% spherical dome and the 6th largest in the world, according to them. I have to say, seeing it for the second time, I still liked the film. They picked a good set of young actors who lived their roles convincingly. I just like my fantasy to be as real as possible, if you get my drift.

Getting there was amazingly easy. We avoided rush hour, but even so, I love a city built on a grid. My present home-town, Ann Arbor, is built on the elbow-macaroni principle: you are heading north on a major road, and all of a sudden, you are driving east--or west! Very confusing, even for one who learned to drive in Boston suburbs, where the road changes its name every time it crosses a city line!

We also attended the planetarium and toured the museum. Both are geared for the very young...10 year-old geeks would be disappointed. In that respect, Boston, San Francisco and even Ann Arbor have more sophisticated, less Fisher-Price style, hands-on exhibits, in less dank and gloomy, warehouse-style spaces.

So we came home to find the roofers in full flock upon our roof, banging and thumping and creating chaos. But there's light shining through the new skylights, and there will be 49 inches of insulation between me and Mother Nature...

In all, a good day, far from the maddening daily Reality.

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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 05:22 PM
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108. Yikes! 41 New Emails in the Box!
Fear of email. keeping people chained to their computers....night and day...
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 08:11 AM
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46. How to Trade Using Game Theory

interesting paragraph

8/24/09 How to Trade Using Game Theory by Naufal Sanaullah
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So if you were the Fed, given current conditions, what would you want? Would you want rates to keep rising and the credit reflation to fail? Or would you want rates to go back down, and leave the taxpayer holding the bag as the retail investor who bought the record levels of debt and equity issued into this rally? Would you want rates to sustain their current trend and China and Japan to offer a mass exodus from bonds, preventing any attempt at debt rollover to continue deficit spending? Or would you want to bring creditor nations back into panic mode, buying your bonds and leaving them the bagholder for your toxic securities as you monetize your way out of debt?
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http://seekingalpha.com/article/157922-how-to-trade-using-game-theory
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 04:54 PM
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103. I Really Can't Begin To Guess What the Fed Wants, these Days
I think Ben would like to wake up and find it was all a bad dream and he's still in 1989....

Perhaps if the Fed had some kind of goal that extended beyond not letting the Big Ones go belly-up, we could begin to plan a recovery....

When they throw in the towel and start eating each other, then we can strike a blow for ordinary people and lock them in a cage of their own design to fight to the death.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 08:29 AM
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48. Hidden in the Health bill are changes in IRS rules
Tax Penalties and the Health-Care Bill
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB20001424052970203550604574358882642883214.html

One would change the law to mandate that the Internal Revenue Service slap penalties on honest but errant taxpayers.

Under current law, taxpayers who lose an argument with the IRS can generally avoid penalties by showing they tried in good faith to comply with the tax law. In a broad range of circumstances, the health-care bill would change the law to impose strict liability penalties for income-tax underpayments, meaning that taxpayers will no longer have the luxury of making an honest mistake. The ability of even the IRS to waive penalties in sympathetic cases would be sharply curtailed.

The proposed changes in penalty rules have largely escaped notice because they are buried in a part of the bill that purports to deal with abusive tax shelters. They are barely mentioned in the Ways and Means Committee summary. Their inclusion in the bill underscores the need to read it closely. If anyone had doubts about the value of loading the text of the bill into a wheelbarrow and bringing it to the beach this August, the proposed changes to tax penalties should dispel them.

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The more one looks at this bill the smellier it gets.

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AnneD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 03:35 PM
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85. This is how they will raise future taxes on the middle class....
stealth.
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Epoon Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 09:17 AM
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55. Dry, Brown Tumbleweeds: Redbook
Are single sentences paragraphs?

http://market-ticker.org/
NEW YORK, Aug 25 (Reuters) - Redbook Research on Tuesday released the following seasonally adjusted weekly data on U.S. chain store sales:
Year-over-year: Week (w/e 8/22/09 vs year ago) -4.4 pct
Year-over-year:Month (August 2009 vs August 2008) -4.4 pct
Month-over-month: (August 2009 vs July 2009) -0.7 pct

Uh, what back-to-school shopping?

August 09 over July 09 (first three weeks) is never supposed to be negative, since that's when parents equip kids for school.

Well, this year it was.

Despite the claims of "green shoots" the fact remains that every indication I've got "on the ground" in high-frequency (and high-reliability!) economic statistics says that the consumer's wallet has in fact snapped shut.

This is not about a consumer "lack of desire" to shop, it is about a lack of ability to pay.

Christmas is going to be "interesting"; one wonders whether the stock market will figure it out before or after the Christmas Sales statistics show up on the street.
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Epoon Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 09:19 AM
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56. True dat.
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/office-management-and-budget-blames-us-china-vassal-state-status-republicans
Office Of Management And Budget Blames US' China Vassal State Status On Republicans
Peter Orszag justifies an insane cumulative budget deficit by 2019 by underscoring "the dire fiscal situation that" was inherited. And while the $9 trillion is likely a very gentle underestimation of what will happen if the Bernanke policies kick in and trillion is really quadrillion, it is a sad state of affairs when every administration going forward will simply blame the previous one for its unprecedented fiscal and monetary blunders. Oh and here is an item for future revisionists: by 2019, interest expense will account for more than 80% of the projected deficit of $917 billion. We are now officially a vassal state of China.
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Epoon Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 09:22 AM
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58. More Tomfoolery
http://www.mybudget360.com/
Federal Reserve Paying Interest on Excess Reserves: Why Lend when you can Earn Interest for Holding on to Funds with Low Risk? The U.S. Treasury and Federal Reserve Walking a Tight Rope.
One tiny announcement made by the Federal Reserve back in October of 2008 is finally making some noise in the dark corners of the internet. What the Federal Reserve announced at the time was that it would begin paying interest on depository institutions’ excess reserve balances. Now why this is important is that it offers a differing perspective on why banks are holding onto money tightly. Initially it looked like banks were holding off on making additional loans because of the fear that was permeating through the market. The U.S. Treasury and Federal Reserve tossed all they could at the market in the form of liquidity and this has caused the stunning 50 percent stock market rally since the March lows.

Why this is important to understand is that it helps to focus on an otherwise black box of important information. The idea that consumers will not borrow is only true if they are held to some form of standards (i.e., jobs, income, etc). Remove those and people will borrow and spend as the cash for clunkers program has demonstrated. And the question of why banks are holding off so much in excess reserves is that of the interest rate. Why would you lend money if you can keep it socked away risk-free and earning interest? This notion needs to be explored with a simple example. If the Federal Reserve jacked up the interest to 20 percent there would be virtually no lending because banks would simply hold on to reserves and earn risk-free interest. But paying the interest rate theoretically gives the Fed some room to navigate. How so? Well they can technically pay zero percent on reserves and thus force banks to find some form of lending to make.
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Epoon Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 09:24 AM
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59. Latest in Stimulus: 'Cash for Refrigerators'
http://news.yahoo.com/s/bw/20090824/bs_bw/aug2009db20090821304909
Latest in Stimulus: 'Cash for Refrigerators'
A $300 million cash-for-clunkers-type federal program to boost sales of energy-efficient home appliances provides a glimmer of hope for beleaguered makers of washing machines and dishwashers, but it's probably not enough to lift companies such as Whirlpool (NYSE:WHR - News) and Electrolux out of the worst down cycle in the sector's history.

Beginning late this fall, the program authorizes rebates of $50 to $200 for purchases of high-efficiency household appliances. The money is part of the broader economic stimulus bill passed earlier this year. Program details will vary by state, and the Energy Dept. has set a deadline of Oct. 15 for states to file formal applications. The Energy Dept. expects the bulk of the $300 million to be awarded by the end of November. (Unlike the clunkers auto program, consumers won't have to trade in their old appliances.)

"These rebates will help families make the transition to more efficient appliances, making purchases that will directly stimulate the economy," Energy Secretary Steven Chu said in a statement announcing the plan. Only appliances covered by the Energy Star seal will qualify. In 2008, about 55% of newly produced major household appliances met those standards, which are set by the Energy Dept. and Environmental Protection Agency.

The money can't come soon enough for the home appliance industry, which is mired in an unprecedented sales slump that began when the housing market cooled in 2006. Since then that slump has worsened considerably. Shipments of washers, dryers, refrigerators, and ovens dropped 10% in 2008 and are down 15% through July, according to the Association of Home Appliance Manufacturers. "It's brutal," says Raymond James (NYSE:RJF - News) analyst Sam Darkatsh.
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tclambert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 04:21 PM
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93. There's a local bike shop offerring $25 for people who trade in old bicycles
for newer (more energy efficient?) ones. The shop owner pays, not the government. He hopes the publicity, parts, and profits on new sales will make up for his $25 rebates.
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Epoon Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 09:27 AM
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60. Artificial Demand as Designed by the Government
Closing statement.

http://economicdisconnect.blogspot.com/2009/08/artificial-demand-as-designed-by.html
Artificial Demand as Designed by the Government
Demand rises and falls. It has done so since time began across every asset type ever known. When the only people that want to buy a home are the sort that jump at a 3% tax credit discount thinking they are getting a "Sweet Deal" (thanks Casey Serin, I will never forget you!) there is a problem. Keynesian thinkers try to argue to support demand in and of itself, as if it exists in a vacuum, as if there are not real factors behind demand changes. Sadly, the US government over the past two years has enacted policy in support of such cloistered thinking.

Calculated Risk thinks the Tax Credit program will be extended (it expires in November) and I agree fully. I would expect this to become a permanent fixture of policy, and it will be expanded to include all buyers of homes. The Clunker Cash will morph into any new car purchase cash. TV's, refrigerators, computers, furniture, you name it, will soon have a demand enhancing program behind it.

Of course all of this has a cost. While we can argue whether the US can indeed spend money to support artificial demand across all these consumer areas, I think a key point is being missed.

The US dollar, and hence belief that the US to repay its debt is built on pure fantasy. While this has been accepted for a long time, the US has up to now behaved as if they at least understand they need to keep up the appearance of fiscal discipline. When the worlds biggest economy resorts to hand outs to stimulate demand from their "villagers" then the storyline begins to get laughable. While foreign creditors like to play pretend, they tend to not like being made a fool of.
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AnneD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 03:38 PM
Original message
They use to call it...
subsidies...
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Epoon Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 09:35 AM
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61. A mean streak in the US mainstream
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/mary-dejevsky/mary--dejevsky-a-mean-streak-in-the-us-mainstream-1776795.html
The point is that, when on "normal", the needle of the US barometer is not only quite a way to the political right of where it would be in Europe, but showing a very different atmospheric level, too. For there is a mean and merciless streak in mainstream US attitudes, which tolerates much more in the way of inequality, deprivation and suffering than is acceptable here, while incorporating a large and often sanctimonious quotient of blame.

This transatlantic difference goes far beyond the healthcare debate. Consider the give-no-quarter statements out of the US on the release of the Lockerbie bomber – or the continued application of the death penalty, or the fact that excessive violence is far more common a cause for censorship of US films in Europe than sex. Or even, in documents emerging from the CIA, a different tolerance threshold where torture and terrorism are concerned.
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 09:38 AM
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62. You've found some good articles today, Epoon.
Keep them coming.

I don't comment on all of them, but, I do read most of them.
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 10:03 AM
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64. This particular one as posted yesterday a couple different places on DU
And it has already engendered a DUer's journal "rebuttal" of sorts -- along the lines of "We may be bad but SO ARE YOU AND YOU'RE EVEN WORSE" -- that's posted on DU's home page.


The real issue, it seems to me because of my background in sociology and history, is understanding how and why we got so mean and what, if anything, can be done about it.

Which goes back to that synthesis of the cargo cult and calvinistic economics. and I don't have time to write it.




Tansy Gold, behind schedule on the paying gig
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Epoon Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 10:43 AM
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68. Why we are mean spirited.
My take on why the US is mean spirited.
( And this doesn't even include Phil Ochs or Jello Biafras versions of Love me I'm a Liberal. Songs written by REAL Liberals about their faux kin)
First is that old Protestant work ethic.
Second is the whole Puritanical ideology that was so horrendous they were booted from Europe.
Third is our outlook similar to preWW2 Japans descendants of god attitude. We are continually sold America is number one. Even when it gets poked at with " America, fuck yeah" South Park lampoonery we still absorb that as being better. It's like we are perpetual victims of success seminars.
Fourth is plain politics. A divided angry people are easy to control. Democrats insult Republicans, Republicans insult Democrats, Liberals demean Conservatives with the same tossed back. Abby Hoffman said to speak to each person according to his needs. We all have the same needs, we just forgot how to talk. Not forgot but taught. Taught the other guy is evil. The other guy wants to rape your dog and steal your kids food money. The other guy is always a dirty lying thieving bastard even when the other guy is only a reflection in the cultural mirror.
Fifth we are goddamned stupid! Ralph Nader runs for office continually on the hope people are smart enough to fight for what they want. Ralph gets vilified by both sides. So instead of getting a president who would harangue harp and generally be a daily pain in the ass in fighting corporations or for medical benefits and human rights, we choose sad sacks who can't even whip their own party in the direction they claim to be heading. Republicans have politicians who give their voters what they want no matter how bad it is for the voters. We are continual dumb bunnies because WE allow this to happen. We do get the government we deserve.
Sixth we are lazy. We are lazy to the point of idiocy. We stopped thinking like the old Yippies and started thinking as old women do. No more stinky fish in a safety deposit box. No more theater, except when the fun loving Anarchists are around. No more Black Panthers capitalizing on the law by publicly carrying their guns. No more show of force. When you kick a dog long enough it stays kicked. Since we haven't been kicked to death we must be lazy for NOT fighting against power like the rest of the world.
Nothing personal here, but for every Cheney there is a Barney Frank (Aug 25 1989 Homosexual Congressman Barney Frank confirms that he paid a male whore, Stephen L. Gobie, for sex on several occasions. Frank later hires the man as a housekeeper, but scandal erupts when Gobie is discovered using the congressman's apartment as a sodomite bordello.),Alcee Hastings (In 1981, Hastings was charged with accepting a $150,000 bribe in exchange for a lenient sentence and a return of seized assets for 21 counts of racketeering by Frank and Thomas Romano, and of perjury in his testimony about the case. He was acquitted by a jury after his alleged co-conspirator, William Borders, refused to testify in court (resulting in a jail sentence for Borders).
In 1988, the Democratic-controlled U.S. House of Representatives took up the case, and Hastings was impeached for bribery and perjury by a vote of 413-3. He was then convicted in 1989 by the United States Senate, becoming the sixth federal judge in the history of the United States to be removed from office by the Senate. The vote on the first article was 69 for and 26 opposed, providing five votes more than the two-thirds of those present that were needed to convict. The first article accused the judge of conspiracy. Conviction on any single article was enough to remove the judge from office. The Senate vote cut across party lines, with U.S. Senator Patrick J. Leahy, Democrat of Vermont voting to convict his fellow party member, and U.S. Senator Arlen Specter voting to acquit.<1>
The Senate had the option to forbid Hastings from ever seeking federal office again, but did not do so. Alleged co-conspirator, attorney William Borders went to jail again for refusing to testify in the impeachment proceedings, but was later given a full pardon by President Bill Clinton on his last day in office.<2>
Hastings filed suit in federal court claiming that his impeachment trial was invalid because he was tried by a Senate committee, not in front of the full Senate, and that he had been acquitted in a criminal trial. Judge Stanley Sporkin ruled in favor of Hastings, remanding the case back to the Senate, but stayed his ruling pending the outcome of an appeal to the Supreme Court in a similar case regarding Judge Walter Nixon, who had also been impeached and removed.<3>), and Ted Kennedy (In the 1969 Chappaquiddick incident, the car Kennedy was driving ran off a bridge and plunged into water, resulting in the death of passenger Mary Jo Kopechne. Kennedy pleaded guilty to leaving the scene of an accident and was given a suspended sentence; however, doubts about his account of the accident significantly damaged his chances of ever becoming President of the United States.).
Corruption lies on both sides, and WE THE PEOPLE are too lazy, stupid, and partisan to change that.Oh and we are fucking mean spirited!
George Carlin saw the truth of modern politics. Carlin is gone. No one will tell the truth anymore.
Rant over.

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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 11:05 AM
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72. Wow... Add the 19% who are all convinced they're (or will soon be) in the top 1%...
and this is a complete survey of the American Condition.

:wow:

Fast typing there.
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Epoon Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 11:27 AM
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74. Sadly they are the ones trying.
Think about ONLY 19% feel they will ACHIEVE enough success to become part of the 1% party. It doesn't matter if it is via work or luck.
That means 81% of those polled feel they have neither the work ethic, talent nor luck to be top of the class.
Man that is truly sad.
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 01:06 PM
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78. Well, I don't think there's anything wrong with the work ethic of the 81%-ers.
Edited on Tue Aug-25-09 01:08 PM by Hugin
As, last check still had them showing up for their dead-end wage-stagnated no-benefits service jobs (In order to survive.) or if unemployed they show up in droves for cattle-call employment openings for dead-end wage-stagnated no-benefits service jobs. (again... in order to survive.)

No, I suggest, maybe, the 81%-ers have realized that becoming a 1%-er in modern times boils down to a luck of birth. No talent or amount of conniving is going to get one there and a bolt of lightning or asteroid collision is an event they are more likely to experience than... Becoming a 1%-er. They've rejected the false promise propaganda constantly pumped via the Corporate Media about the Golden Path of Work ever leading to that or any kind of prosperity. Believe me, it's not laziness. But, it does make one mean.

Stranger still is the fact this survey was done as part of an Exit Poll. So, it's very likely that none of those polled was even in actuality... in the top 1%. Most of the 1% don't vote... As, they've already done the machinations and nods required to install their chosen candidate by that point and I doubt the 1%-ers feel the need to actually vote.


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Epoon Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 05:24 PM
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109. Hugin you missed my point
The 19% FEEL they can achieve upward mobility to 1% class. They FEEL they deserve to live that standard.
The 81% do not FEEL the same way. Either they lack confidence,have been brainwashed or just don't give a shit.
But the point is no matter how hard they try they do NOT CONSIDER themselves worthy of entering the golden realm.
And that is what makes it sad.

Do you know why poor people fuck up their lives when they win the lottery? Other than lack of end game. Mainly, and this is my opinion, they just can not picture themselves living that type of life.
My father was very wealthy in the seventies and eighties. He owned two restaurants and a couple of houses. But everytime he bought a nice house in a nice neighborhood, he would immediately move to a much more rundown rural home that he was comfortable with. He could never master the game. He acted Nigger Rich (my opinion is this is not a racist term but extends across all colors and creeds, it is just the best term I have ever found for it as it carries the pathos and denigrating power it deserves. It is a very strong image and because they are in reality just words should never be removed from our lexicon). In the end he wound up losing everything.
But he was capable. He dragged himself from being a poor uneducated immigrant to a successful businessman. That is where the picture stopped. Money, cars, flash cash, whores. No end game. Just the immediacy of success.
But underneath his comfort zone was the derelict immigrant mining community he came from, The tarpaper homes with lots of land.
Do you know why some thieves and murders fail? They only plan up to the act and never beyond.
81% don't even have the confidence to plan as far as the act.
I would guarantee that South American and African poor can picture themselves earning that 1% badge. They can imagine themselves in the role.
They still have hope.

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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 06:31 PM
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120. A very interesting post, epoon, though I don't think it's necessarily feeling
unworthy of that affluent life-style but, rather, the other way round. Poor people tend to be more "people" people than the rich. Women and Africans, too. They're more intuitive and empathetic, and miss that in a different milieu. Of course, it's a very broad generalisation. Countering it is the drive for security women have by way of a psychological inheritance. But I believe there is significant truth in it, nevertheless.

Most poorer folk think they would love to win the lottery, but more often than not, it brings misery, and they spend it on family friends and all sorts, asap.

I once worker in a rural water-purification plant, and there was a man there from a large, quite poor family - his father had to give half the pig they kept when they slaughtered it, to the local squire. Anyway, he was the antitype of the type I have just described, a tight wad and money-mad. Now, the last thing he would have done is go into the local betting shop and spend it there; he'd save it. If the guys in the betting shop really wanted a lot of money, they'd do the same. People focus their hearts on very different things. "Where your treasure is, there your heart is."

Some years ago now, I read some posts here by people who had done well in their careers, but had always felt kind of torn; a sense that they didn't really fit in. But I don't think it was a sense of unworthiness; rather, of a less widespread social empathy. My two penn'orth, anyway.
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wickerwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 01:42 PM
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79. Or they don't have the desire.
Who feels the need to be in the top 1%? Isn't it good enough to have everything you want to satisfy comfort and modest ambitions?

People in the top 1% are earning money so fast they can't even begin to spend it. Why is that necessary for happiness?

And why, if you aren't interested in that, is it a pitiable personal failing in you (such as not valuing hard work or not having any talent?)
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 03:31 PM
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83. It's not necessary for happiness, but it IS necessary for salvation
This is what I meant by the merger of the cargo cult and the calvinists.

Wealth becomes/is designated a sign of God's favor. the more wealth, the more grace.

It has nothing to do with whether or not they can spend it in their lifetime or not.

Those who have the wealth and the power are given justification for their greed, because the leaders of the behind-the-scenes fundamentalists are manipulating them. It works like this --

Xian lobbyist (who of course is no such thing because then he'd have to be registered and all that) approaches senator or congressman and says, "I will deliver votes to you but you must promote my xian agenda. I believe wealth is a sign of God's favor and grace, that the men who have wealth and power are God's chosen. As long as you deliver on what I've determined God's agenda to be, I will deliver the votes." Well, what congressman or senator wouldn't go along with that? Even if they don't care two shits about this guy's god or his jesus, why turn down a lifetime job with little work and virtually unlimited benefits?

Xian lobbyist is also able, as he gets continued donations from TPTB, to go after international leaders who look like the chosen of God. God, according to the definition, likes power and wealth. Masculine, muscular Jesus, none of this blessed are the meek bullshit. God don't like no wimps. So these unregistered lobbyists, these behind-the-scenes jesus freaks, bring into the American fold the very worst of the world's dictators because their power is a sign that God loves them.

Sick? Well, *we* think it is, because we were raised on the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and all that other egalitarian drivel. :sarcasm:

The same puritans and prudes who were booted out of England were able to establish their colonies in the "new world" and base them on the biblical foundation they weren't able to establish in the old country. Cromwell and his ilk were never able to impose their world view on the masses; his philosophical descendants, however, were able to do so in what became the U.S.

As Kevin Phillips tells it in "The Cousins' Wars," the protestant ethic that evolved in the colonies was the "liberal" branch that eventually not only broke free from the yoke of English monarchy but also threw off slavery in via the bloody War Between the States. Phillips posits that the Church of England remained the conservative ideology, with a divine right of kings and nobles and other entitled hierarchy, while the dissenter sects were the liberals.

*I* always saw, however, something slightly different. What I saw was that the christian/protestant/puritan culture was used as the foundation for the building and governing of the colonies and when the colonies reached nation status, that biblical foundation was imossible to remove. Whatever Thomas Jefferson's "religion" was or wasn't, he had not got enough enlightened that he saw his slaves as his equals. They were, regardless who their Creator was, not created equal.

Phillips would say, and probably did, that the Southern colonies were much closer to the C of E ideology than the northern dissenter colonies, and that's why Jefferson apparently had a clear conscience about owning other human beings. But that doesn't mesh with the fact that England outlawed slavery long before the U.S. did. The economic benefit of maintaining the southern status quo certainly had something to do with it, and therefore even the descendants of the north-colony dissenters could not muster enough power to abolish the peculiar institution until the 1860s.

What Jeff Sharlet says in "The Family" is that in fact there was an entire movement brewing, setting the stage for a political drama directed by the fundamentalists, beginning as early as the 1730s. Generally kept in the background, this movement worked in small ways, under the radar. It had no problems with slavery; that was God's design, that some are better than others. It's in the bible. It had no problems with denying women's rights; it's in the bible. It reached the point where it had no problem with Hitler, because he was a man of power and strength who was out to get rid of Jesus' enemies.

According to Sharlet, the leaders of the Family actively courted the Nazis. Remember, too, the connections between the Bushes and the Nazis? Is this all part of the same "plan"? I don't doubt it.

And before you start screaming :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat:, remember that much of this is documented. Prescott Bush's ties to the Nazis were all in the name of business. We think that's just crass and greedy and unAmerican. But we don't think about ulterior motives, if not necessarily of Bush then of others who were using him.

I've said it before and I'll say it again -- Before GWB was actually the GOP nominee in 2000, I was warning friends that I thought he would/could be another Hitler. I sensed it, somehow, and I didn't even know for sure what gave me that feeling. I don't lay claim to any psychic powers, but rather I think I had simply absorbed so much information, half of it half forgotten, that I knew there was something wrong. Why would anyone WANT to put such a bumbling idiot in the presidency?

I wrote a paper for a class that fall of 2000 on the role of religion, specifically christian fundamentalism, in electoral politics. Much of the research material I read tended to dismiss the ability of the organized churches to turn out voters. But I never felt comfortable with what I was reading. I knew there was more. I was seeing the effects of something, but I didn't know what the cause was.

I have argued and argued and argued with the BF about the lingering, pervasive, and powerful influence of a political christianity in this country, an influence that for various reasons is NOT evident in other ostensibly more christian nations.

I also thought, and perhaps it was rationalization, that Barack Obama would be able to come into the presidency free of the insider power structure dominated by these unseen fundamentalist puppetmasters. What I now wonder, given the examinations I've made (superficial as they may be) of the ideology behind the puppeteers, is whether or not the "establishment" candidate, Hillary Clinton, might not have been more able to operate outside their control.

I don't know. I just don't know. All I can say is that we're looking at the results of. . . SOMETHING. And whatever is happening, whatever is being made to happen, is happening for a reason.



Tansy Gold, who really has to get back to the paying gig now
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tclambert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 04:24 PM
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94. Did the Calvinists never read "Faust?"
You can sell your soul to the Debbil in exchange for more than just guitar lessons.
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 04:26 PM
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96. I agree, there is something happening, for a reason

I admire how you pull all these thoughts together. I haven't read all the books that you have, but I sense something, a gut feeling. I can't express what it is, cause I don't know. But it's got power and money, lots of wealth. And it goes way back, many hundreds of years. And it's been escalating, there's someone behind the scenes, controlling it. Perhaps it's done thru some kind of 'religion'. Not sure, but I don't think it's a lot of people doing this. Oh sure, they have helpers in the stock market, oil industry, but it's somebody concentrating the riches for themselves. Maybe somebody in Europe? Russia? Asia, Saudi Arabia? No, not the U.S., this is old-world power and money. I'm thinking as we suffer thru the upcoming depression, perhaps we be able to see who has sucked out the wealth from all of us.
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 04:52 PM
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102. reply to #94 & #96
#1 -- it's not a faustian exchange. According to Sharlet, "God" picks the winners, and then the leaders of the Family have used them to further the vicious circle. It would be presumptuous of the leaders to "pick" someone to benefit from God's grace; God comes first.

And wealth is not the goal; it's the sign of godliness. (Yeah, right, like Saddam Hussein, Pol Pot, Hitler and Strom Thurmond were "godly".) The Family utilizes the powerful to advance its agenda of a establishing a christian one world government.

#2 -- Actually it's not old world power and money, because it's "new world" military power that's effecting (no, not "affecting") it.

I wish I had enough chutzpah to contact Erling Jorstad, author of 1969's "The Politics of Doomsday," which is one of the books that got me started on this issue, and find out what his thoughts are on "The Family." (OMFG, I just googled him and found out he's on Facebook and I have steadfastly refused even to look at FB much less become involved, but this may prove to be too much of a temptation. . . . .)

The old world pretty much shook off fundamentalist christianity in favor a more pragmatic (and in many ways more christ-like) social ideology. One of the lines from part of "The Family" that I read just last night was about how they planned to "take down" "Old Europe" and bring it back to Jesus.

TG
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Epoon Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 05:29 PM
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110. Philip K. Dick
Dick dreamed the empire never died.
Dicks unconscious knew what his conscious could not accept.
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 05:35 PM
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112. I never read him.
I have one or two titles in storage out in the workshop, but I have no idea which ones they are or where they are.

More info, please.


Tansy Gold, who has enough books to last at least 20 years if she read one a day. . . . .
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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 05:39 PM
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113. Yes, it's "New World", all right.
In "Old Worlds", Revolution (again) is pending, by just a thread.
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 06:22 PM
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119. Pending indeed?
Do tell, do tell.



Tansy Gold, who cannot resist the temptation of DU, and is struggling mightily against the pull of www.kyero.com
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 05:06 PM
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105. I Blame Norman Lear
Norm had the best intentions: by setting a old, fat racist bigot up as the star of a situation comedy, he thought he could ridicule the Archie Bunkers of the world into a more fair and balanced, sane world-view, with more Mensch and less Harry and Louise.

His ploy totally backfired. Not only did the Archie Bunkers of the world unite, they felt it was some kind of how-to documentary! And their feeble-minded womenfolk took Edith Bunker as a model of American Woman: how to be one.

So the least-functional members of our democracy put on grander airs of entitlement and told the rest of us to stifle ourselves.

Michael J. Fox's character was another bad gamble who programmed the masters of the Universe, and look where it's brought us!

The road to this hell was paved with good intentions.
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 05:32 PM
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111. Both shows suffered from lack of a 2 x 4
Neither Archie nor Alex ever got the message. They were the same character at the end of each episode as they were at the beginning. They didn't learn anything.

That's one thing the left really failed at, Demeter: using the popular culture to change the hearts and minds. It actually worked in the 60s. But then Hollywood (tv and movies) got that liberal label and everyone seemed to bend over backward (or forward) to be "fair and balanced" and the right triumphed.

But that's another paper I tried to write. . . . .


TG
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Epoon Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 11:20 AM
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73. Songwriting as political benchmark
Phil Ochs was so moved he wrote this song. If a politician is NOT songworthy, they aren't vote worthy.
This is what we lost.
Phil Ochs - The Ballad Of U.s. Steel
See the man with the glasses, his name is roger (?)
He went to see the president, say "hello" and rush out (?)
"i got to tell you we need a small price rise"
But honest john just looked at him with ice cold steely eyes
U.s. steel won't be stealing anymore
Jfk come to life and close the door
They shovel slag on the public's back
Inflation raced down the track (?)

Jfk paced up and down, he was very ill at ease
Said "my daddy told me they're a bunch of sobs
This follow the leader pricing is cake with too much icing
Adam smith is turning over if this is free enterprising"
*chorus*

Then kennedy conference it was seen all over the land
The spirit of the roosevelts was once again in command
With the public on his side, well he finally turned the time
And william buckley almost comitted suicide
*chorus*
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 03:38 PM
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86. Nemazee Is Arrested in $74 Million Citibank Fraud (Update3) (Bloomberg)
By David Glovin and Kristin Jensen

Aug. 25 (Bloomberg) -- Hassan Nemazee, chairman of Nemazee Capital Corp. and a fundraiser for President Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, was arrested on charges he used phony documents to trick Citigroup Inc. into lending him as much as $74 million.

Nemazee got the loan by telling Citibank he held accounts with hundreds of millions of dollars that could serve as collateral, U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara said today in a statement. The financier used fake addresses and phone numbers controlled by him to mislead the bank, prosecutors said.

The accounts “either never existed or had been closed years before Nemazee submitted the documents referencing those accounts,” Bharara said in the statement.

Nemazee, 59, repaid the loan to Citibank yesterday, a day after he was interviewed by Federal Bureau of Investigation agents, prosecutors said. The interview took place at Newark Liberty International Airport as Nemazee was checking in for a flight to Rome.

Some discussion of Norman Hsu... http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aRJzVy_8GrIM

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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 05:15 PM
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107. That's Gotta Hurt Both Obama and the Clintons
A plague on both their houses, I say! They earned it fair and square.
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