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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 03:49 AM
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Colombia's Uribe defends U.S. military role in South America
Source: New York Times

Colombia's Uribe defends U.S. military role in South America
Sunday, August 09, 2009

BRASILIA, Brazil -- President Alvaro Uribe of Colombia wrapped up a seven-country tour of South America last week seeking to calm skeptical neighbors about a proposal to allow an increased American military presence in Colombian territory.

On Thursday, Mr. Uribe met for more than two hours here with President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva of Brazil, who requested guarantees from Mr. Uribe that the military cooperation with the United States would not spill over Colombia's borders, Celso Amorim, Brazil's foreign minister, told reporters.

Mr. Uribe took to the road on his diplomatic offensive last week after some countries -- including Venezuela, Ecuador and Nicaragua -- denounced the plans to allow for increased American troop levels. Others, like Brazil, expressed concern about the agreement, which Colombian and American officials insisted would only extend and formalize a continuing counternarcotics program between the countries.

The concerns -- and Mr. Uribe's hastily organized diplomatic road show -- underscore contrasting views about threats to the region's security. For the Colombian president, the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, or FARC, remain the primordial threat, not only to Colombia but to the entire region, said Michael Shifter, vice-president of the Inter-American Dialogue, a policy research group in Washington.

"Other governments don't quite see it that way," Mr. Shifter said. "Most are sympathetic to Uribe, but they view the FARC as essentially Colombia's problem. They are more worried about any decisions regarding U.S. military presence in the region, which remains a highly sensitive issue that continues to arouse suspicions."



Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09221/989697-82.stm
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 06:39 AM
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1. Unasur will be Lula's show
Unasur will be Lula's show
At the meeting of South American leaders in Quito, the path forged
by Brazil's president, not Columbia's, will find most favour

Hugh O'Shaughnessy
guardian.co.uk, Sunday 9 August 2009 11.00 BST

It'll be Lula's day on Monday, high up in the Andes in Ecuador's poor but beautiful colonial capital of Quito.

He'll be the dominant figure when a majority of Latin American governments solemnly and forcefully declare their distaste for – indeed their rejection of – foreign governments' efforts to mess up their countries and turn them into a new battlefield where "the good guys" (whoever they may be), using real bullets, slug it out to the death with "the bad guys".

The occasion will be the meeting of Unasur, the Union of South American Nations, an energetic organisation of sixteen countries which wants to fix the continent's course towards a future of quiet self-respect and dedication to the effective reform of its vast social problems of inequality and racism. Under the Brazilian leader's aegis a raspberry will be quietly blown in Quito at those who posit the continuation of the phoney cold war of past decades.

This needless struggle pitted the supposed champions of western Christian civilisation, armed to the teeth and trained in the latest torture techniques, against Castroites, Sandinistas and Allendistas who might – by dint of outrageous exercises in political spin – be portrayed as latter-day followers of Lenin, Stalin and Mao Tse-Tung and the sort of folk who were never happier than when breakfasting off freshly-grilled babies. Just as Lula himself had to suffer from the professional alarmists of Wall Street before he won the clean presidential elections that brought him to power, today it is Hugo Chávez of Venezuela and Evo Morales of Bolivia who are the particular victims of well-resourced campaigns of international vilification such as has never been mounted against, say, Israel for its treatment of the Palestinians or the regime in Egypt for its jerrymandered elections.

Now the leader of Latin America's largest country – with India, Russia and China one of the "Brics", the planet's most promising economies – and with Brasília likely to soon take a permanent seat at the UN Security Council, Lula can and does, laugh off the humiliations of yesteryear – which included being turned away from the doors of Labour party headquarters in Walworth Road for looking too scruffy. He has no hesitation in criticising the financial strategies which have brought US banks low, or in telling the US Navy to stop prowling round Brazil's massive new offshore oilfields or in saying that Washington's pussyfooting in Tegucigalpa must stop, the elected President Zelaya restored and the increasingly violent impostors bundled away.

More:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/aug/09/unasur-lula-brazil-ecuador
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Mudoria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 08:25 AM
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2. Good for President Uribe
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ro1942 Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 08:51 AM
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3. read
did you read this article?
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subsuelo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 08:56 AM
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4. Good?
What, do you believe the US Military is there for humanitarian purposes?
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Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 01:00 PM
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10. Was the Russian presence in Venezuela humanitarian?

And why, pray tell, if any hint of violation of Venezuela's sovereignty is met with the iron hand here, isn't Colombia also sovereign and can do what it pleases?
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 01:36 PM
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11. I trust this Colombian unionist to know something about the matter.
Edited on Sun Aug-09-09 01:43 PM by Judi Lynn
Here's a google translation which, although clumsy still retains enough of the original meaning to get the point across:
The ten strategies of Plan Colombia

The first thing to note is that the opposition political parties including the Colombia plan is a sort of treaty that affects the state apparatus by means of economic, political and social. Violates national sovereignty while, under the pretext of the struggle, the armed forces and state institutions are "assisted" by American experts and methods, which are often being ignored by the Colombian public opinion.
A brief reading of the ten points that comprise the strategy of Plan Colombia show that goes beyond mere cooperation. The reforms involve compromises and adjustments in unusually strange matter the fight against drug trafficking, which is supposed to be the centerpiece of the plan, such as tax and fiscal policy, commitments to territorial management and the economic model, and cooperation in the structure and operation of the judiciary.
That is, this is a plan that allows greater interference in the internal affairs of the country without regard to principles of self-determination and certainly without respect for national sovereignty and the relations between two sovereign countries. While the ten strategies deserve analysis in relation to their effectiveness, for the sake of the realization that the time imposed, I refer only to items that are directly related to peace and struggle, ie, strategies 1, 2 3, 6 and 7
1. An economic strategy to generate employment, strengthen the state's ability to collect taxes, and offer a viable economic force to counter drug trafficking. The expansion of international trade, accompanied by improved access to foreign markets and free trade agreements that attract foreign and domestic investment are key factors in the modernization of our economic base and employment generation. This strategy is crucial at a time when Colombia is facing its worst economic crisis in 70 years, with unemployment up 20%, which in turn severely limits the ability of government to fight drug trafficking and violence that it generates.
What one wonders when reading this is if this is really a problem of a drug policy, which we believe is that Plan Colombia is a plan for submission to the country's interests tangible, visible and in some cases public and private dark in others. The Plan's strategy seems to lead things beyond mere anti-drug strategy that includes the most sensitive of the economic structure of a country and as a principle is to ensure attracting foreign investment on favorable terms

2. A fiscal and financial strategy to adopt stringent austerity measures and adjustment in order to promote economic activity, and recover the prestige of traditional Colombia in international financial markets.

3. A peace strategy that aims at a negotiated peace agreements with the guerrillas on the basis of territorial integrity, democracy and human rights, which should also strengthen the rule of law and combating drug trafficking.

The current peace process with paramilitary groups is surrounded by many inconsistencies. Despite noting that 31,671 are under the high commissioner for peace, 16,785 weapons handed over long and short. Just called to the 2900 trial and 18,000 fighters of the so-called base, which have no judicial record, and only said they had belonged to the armed group but has no account of having participated in combat with the execution of crimes against humanity. (?).
There are clear indications that not all components of these groups have been demobilized and are now about 22 groups and new-generation presence in 25 departments. The activities of these groups ranging from private security in the same areas in which the dispute had to influence and control of drug routes leaving through the Pacific and the Caribbean. Ie the paramilitary structures have not been dismantled, so the victims do not have truth, justice and reparation is a factor that will not allow any reconciliation process. It should be emphasized that there was discussion regarding the fact that many graduates were known drug traffickers in the process of paramilitary Ralito thus seeks to prevent extradition and therefore the preservation of the business of drugs.
According to the National Commission of Reparation and Rehabilitation distributing these new groups is the following, which coincides with the blocks and they were demobilized paramilitaries groups: 1). The Caribbean coast with 1290 offenders armed men in the departments of Atlantico, Guajira, Cesar and Norte de Santander; 2) Uraba, Cordoba and Magdalena with 605 men, 3) Eastern Plains to 960 covering the departments of Meta, Guaviare and Vichada: 4) Pacific region with 1,100 men. <1>
4. A national defense strategy to restructure and modernize the armed forces and police, so that these regain the rule of law and provide security throughout the country, against the organized crime and armed groups and to protect and promote the Human Rights and International Humanitarian Law.
While the armed forces have been modernized and the security issue are invested millions in funds, the results are not inconsistent with this investment. Corruption, the infiltration of drug trafficking and paramilitary activity are factors that delegitimize these institutions.
5. A judicial and human rights, to reassert the rule of law and to ensure fair and equal justice for all, while promoting the reforms already underway in the military and police to ensure that they meet their role in upholding and respecting the rights and dignity of all.

6. An anti-narcotics strategy, in partnership with other countries involved in some or all the links in the chain: production, distribution, marketing, consumption, asset laundering, precursor and other inputs, and arms trafficking, to combat all components of the cycle of illegal drugs, and to prevent the flow of products of trafficking that fuels violence against the guerrillas and other armed organizations.
4500 has invested millions of dollars the U.S. government in the fight against drugs in Colombia. In 2000 the map was very different. Concentration of crops had been immense in the flat areas of a few departments like Putumayo, which were effective spraying. According to the Department of State United States today have to fumigate the aircraft three times more than they did in 2000 to eliminate the same amount of drugs. (...) Then the crop had an average area of 1.3 hectares, measuring less than one today and instead of being concentrated in 12 departments now have a significant presence in 23. "
According to the UN office on drugs and crime, the evolution of the business is reflected in figures. Because of the offensive plan of Colombia, in 2000 hectares of illicit crops began to decline. 163,000 to 145,000 in 2001, 102,000 in 2002, 86,000 in 2003, 80,000 in 2004, but picked up again in 2005 to 86,000 of which 52.960 were new. Meta and Guaviare has the highest use of technology across the country. Each year, these departments get an average of 6.6 new varieties of crops of coca. These varieties are becoming more productive and resistant to spraying. (...) The cultivation of coca is one of the few solutions to the farmers out of poverty and surviving control of the armed groups. (...) Now, according to United Nations, there are 68,600 households involved in cultivation of the bearing an annual average of $ 12,300. " Special Report: The lost war on drugs "<2>
According to Colonel Daniel in his column for Semana magazine, notes that "starting from north to south, the first spot that shows` booming coca plantations in the Sierra Nevada de Santa Marta. A region that during the years of implementation of Plan Colombia, has remained under control of the so-called Tayrona Resistance Bloc of the AUC, led by Hernan Giraldo Serna. (...) The Cesar region in which it operates the Northern Bloc of the AUC led by Rodrigo Tovar Pupo, alias Jorge 40. " In this case the crops have increased by 24% in the last year, that is coinciding with the paramilitary demobilization. "
(...) The columnist argues that "according to sources from the State Department and the national policy for drug control (ondeop) southern Colombia is no longer the largest area of illegal crops. Today the largest coca area spans the departments of Bolivar, Sucre, Cordoba and Norte de Antioquia. (...) In the Magdalena Medio region Arnubio Triana aka "boom" and Ramón Isaza. The same has happened in the Arauca area that has been under the control of the Mejia Munera twins and Heiner Arias, alias Julián ", leaders of the bloc won Arauca." So, is happening in the area of influence of the Pacific Bloc .

7. An alternative development strategy that promotes agricultural schemes and other profitable economic activities for peasants and their families. Alternative development also includes environmental protection activities that are economically feasible, to preserve the forested areas and end the dangerous expansion of illicit crops on the Amazon Basin and on the vast natural parks which are both areas an immense biodiversity and vital environmental importance to the international community. Within this framework, the strategy includes sustainable productive projects, integrated and participatory, in combination with the necessary infrastructure and devotes special attention to regions that combine high levels of conflict with low levels of state presence, a fragile social capital and severe degradation environment, such as the Magdalena Medio, the Macizo Colombiano and the south western Colombia.

The cultivation of oil palm is perhaps the most successful alternative crop, but at the cost of the displacement of thousands of peasants and Afro-Colombian and indigenous communities whose land protected by the constitution have been violated.
8. A social participation strategy that aims at a collective awareness. This strategy seeks to develop greater accountability within the local government, community involvement in anti-corruption efforts and constant pressure on the guerrillas and other armed groups in order to eliminate kidnappings, violence and internal displacement of individuals and communities. This strategy also includes working with local employers and labor groups, to promote innovative and productive in order to cope with a globalized economy, thus strengthening our agricultural communities and reduce rural violence. Additionally, this strategy seeks to strengthen the formal and informal institutions that promote changes in cultural patterns through which violence develops and stronger. It also includes the promotion of tools and educational programs to increase tolerance, the values of coexistence and participation in public affairs.
The paramilitary phenomenon has broken this strategy, therefore, the municipal administrations have been copadas by paramilitary leaders. Alleged misappropriation of municipal budgets through the managers of subsidized health and education in the covenants of the mayors in Casanare rallito pact and court proceedings are several congressmen, mayors and governors.
9. A human development strategy to ensure health care and adequate education for all vulnerable groups in our society over the coming years, especially including not only those displaced or affected by violence, but also the areas submerged in absolute poverty.
10. An internationally oriented strategy to confirm the principles of shared responsibility, integrated action and balanced treatment for the drug problem. Simultaneous action be taken against all the links in the chain of this scourge. Also, the cost of such action and the solutions must lie on the countries involved in view of their economic basis. The role of the international community is also vital to the success of the peace process in accordance with the terms of international law and with the consent of the Colombian government.


AN ALTERNATIVE.
Drug policy, both in Colombia and the United States must undergo a profound change, given the failure of various strategies drawn from the viewpoint of the penalty, when the problem is political and economic.
Criminalization to producers when there are no real alternatives is an error and simply see the problem from the weakest link in the chain of production. It is necessary to discuss the following points:
1. Related to the production of chemical percussive in international industrial production;
2. Clearly analyze the problem of the circulation of money by national and international financial circuits in what is known as money laundering;
3. Effects of this circulation of money in Colombia produces the revaluation of the peso;
4. Discuss legislation that punishes the consumer and the legalization processing as a public health problem in the case of addicts.
5. The effects and results of the spraying and their impact on the environment and the health of the population.
6. The problem of indigenous peoples and the industrialization of coca leaf
http://wilsonborja.blogspot.com/2007/08/documento-especial.html

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"My little brother died..."


Paintings by Colombian schoolchildren.




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Your claim Venezuela has a similar connectedness with Russia doesn't seem sensible.

On edit:

Adding an image of unionist Borja's car.

http://www.colombiajournal.org.nyud.net:8090/borja2.jpg http://www.theglobalreport.org.nyud.net:8090/issues/101/wilson%20borja.GIF
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Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 01:39 PM
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12. Too bad rolling eyes can't be made on subject lines
So,

:eyes:


When you can answer simple questions in your own words without cutting and pasting self-righteous jeremiads, report back.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 01:46 PM
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13. Your opinion carries a lot of weight. Thank you so much. n/t
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Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 01:48 PM
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14. Only two opinions matter to you
Hugo Chavez's, and anyone who agrees with you.

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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 09:22 PM
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22. Chavez + anyone who agrees with Judi makes an awful lot more than
two. Your math is as bad as your perception.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 02:01 PM
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15. There are no Russian bases in Venezuela!
Edited on Sun Aug-09-09 02:01 PM by IndianaGreen
What rightwing cesspool do you get your information from?
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 09:00 AM
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5. It is insulting, demeaning, hypocritical, and more than threatening. It is an act of war
for a behemoth like the U.S. to dramatically build up military forces in a client state of the U.S.--Colombia--a country with one of the worst human rights records on earth--in a region of peaceful democracies with minimal military forces, and right next door to two of those peaceful democracies that own the biggest oil reserves in the hemisphere--Venezuela and Ecuador--both of whom the State Department (and its corpo/fascist 'news' echo chamber) have been wrongfully demonizing in an escalating psyops/disinformation campaign. This is the sort of thing Hitler did. And making up lying excuses to invade weak countries and steal their resources is the next thing he did.

Insulting, demeaning, hypocritical:

"Mr. da Silva said that the proposal was unsettling and that leaders in the region should have been contacted beforehand. He also reiterated his concerns about the Fourth Fleet, which the United States reactivated last year in the Americas, and its ships' ability to range over waters where Brazil would be developing large deepwater oilfields." --from the article.

This is the most important item in the article. Latin American leaders were not consulted--and not even warned about this huge U.S. military buildup. President Obama went down there to a Latin American conference, talking about peace, respect and cooperation, while this was being planned, behind the backs of the leaders he was talking to. It is grossly insensitive toward their concerns, and furthermore it is a slap in the face to leaders like da Silva in Brazil and Michele Batchelet in Chile who have cooperated with the U.S. in many respects, and who have acted as the go-betweens and peacemakers, for instance, when the Bushwhacks and Colombia did the bombing/raid on Ecuador early last year, and when the Bushwhacks tried to overthrow Evo Morales in Bolivia (by funding and organizing fascist rioters and murderers who wanted to secede from Bolivia) in September of last year.

I am frankly astounded that Obama/Clinton did not at least warn da Silva and Batchelet. These are the "moderate" leftists, and virtually the only friendly leaders that the U.S. still has among the leftist leadership of the continent, after eight years of Bushwhackism (naked hostility, coup plotting, assassination plotting, bullying, "elbow breaking," massive funding of rightwing groups with U.S. taxpayer money, destabilization efforts, dirty tricks, psyops, outright aggression and a massive demonization campaign against the oil leaders). Da Silva and Batchelet have patiently tried to advocate for the peaceful democracies that were being targeted--Venezuela, Ecuador, Bolivia (also Argentina). Their own economic policies contain more elements of "free trade" and cooperation with multi-nationals. But they approve of the leftist democratic trend on the continent, and, above all, support democracy and each country's sovereignty--the right of its people to determine their own economic/political future. The Bushwhacks could not break their loyalty to democracy and their friendship with leaders like Chavez, Morales and Correa. And this looks like their punishment for that loyalty--Obama/Clinton freezing them out, undermining them, not consulting them, not even asking, 'what will the effect of this be?'

This is just about the worst omen that I have seen yet, as to the pre-war status of the U.S. in South America. They won't even talk to the "moderates" about a vital issue like this!

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More than threatening--an act of war.

Wars don't happen overnight. They start with a massive military build-up, with early forays--test-outs of war systems and responses, and strategies (at least two of such forays have already occurred--against Ecuador and Bolivia last year), and intensifying psyops and disinformation (which we are certainly seeing). That this U.S. military build-up is for the "war on drugs" is a laughable crock of shit. The narco-thugs running Colombia are the biggest drug lords in the country. The Bush Cartel and the CIA are probably also dealing in drugs and weapons. $6 BILLION in US tax dollars to the Colombian military, and the cocaine just keeps coming. It never stops. Most South Americans know that the U.S. "war on drugs" is a corrupt, failed, murderous enterprise, and an excuse for the U.S. to militarize, nazify and dominate their societies, and county after country has rejected it.

Is this massive U.S. military build-up justifiable as "counter-insurgency"--smashing one side of the 40+ year Colombian civil war--the leftist FARC guerrillas? When the FARC made their bid for peace last year, led by the FARC's chief hostage negotiator and peace advocate, Raul Reyes, the U.S./Colombia dropped ten 500 lb U.S. "smart bombs" on Reyes' temporary hostage negotiation camp, just inside Ecuador's border, slaughtering 25 people in their sleep, and then raiding over the border to shoot any survivors in the back as they fled in their pajamas trying to avoid death. From all reports--including those of Swiss, French and Spanish envoys who were in Ecuador at the time, Ingrid Betancourt's husband, and others including the president of Ecuador--Reyes was about to release Ingrid Betancourt and other hostages, and it is clear that the a peace deal was in the works, to end this long civil war.

The U.S. chose war, not peace. It chose to stop the peace process with murderous finality.

A few months earlier, Hugo Chavez had begun the process of negotiating the release of FARC hostages--at the request of Alvaro Uribe of Colombia! The Colombian military then directed rocket fire at the location of the first two hostages to be released to Chavez, as they were in route to their freedom, driving them back into the jungle on a 20-mile hike, under fire. These hostages' subsequent press conference (Chavez later got them out by a different route) was completely ignored by our corpo/fascist press. Who was behind this incident--firing on the hostages? That same weekend, Donald Rumsfeld published an op-ed in the Washington Post in which he states, in the first paragraph, that Chavez's help with hostage negotiations "is not welcome in Colombia." It had been welcome days before. That's why Chavez was doing it--at Uribe's request. And just days before--while Rumsfeld was scribbling this missile, and while the hostages were in route to their freedom--Uribe suddenly withdrew his request to Chavez, in what seemed like the act of a lunatic. He gave a lame excuse (--that Chavez had called someone in the Colombian military--well, jeez, wouldn't you?). How did Rumsfeld know that Chavez's help with hostage releases, welcome in Colombia that week, would suddenly become "unwelcome" that weekend?

My theory is that Rumsfeld--a year after his retirement from the Pentagon, forced out for his insane plan to nuke Iran (and steal its oil, as well as Iraq's)--was the one pulling Uribe's strings. Or, in any case, he was in close contact with his moles in the Pentagon, deeply involved in planning Oil War II-South America, who need the excuse of the FARC guerrillas (whom Uribe keeps claiming they have defeated) to build up the U.S. military forces in the region, for their next oil war.

Another suspect is this badass Bushwhack ambassador in Colombia, Brownfield, whom Obama/Clinton have mysteriously kept in place in Bogota. Evidence is that both the bombing/raid on Ecuador, and the later orchestrated 'rescue' of Ingrid Betancourt (to which John McCain was invited, during his campaign for president) were run out of the "war room" in the U.S. embassy in Bogota (where they bragged about--and let leak--that they had live a video feed of the Betancourt 'rescue').

So I am not buying that this massive U.S. military build-up in Colombia has anything at all to do with the FARC guerrillas. The FARC is merely an excuse--a lie--comparable to the WMDs in Iraq. They blame the FARC for kidnappings, drug dealing and murder. Kidnappings they surely have been guilty of--and have been roundly condemned for it, by leftist leaders throughout the region, including Fidel Castro. Drug dealing? They deny it, but if they're doing it, they are no different than the people shooting at them--the Colombian military and its death squads. And who is overwhelmingly responsible for extrajudicial murders in Colombia? Not the FARC! Amnesty International, for instance, attributes 95% of the murders of union leaders in Colombia directly to the Colombian military (about half) and to its closely tied rightwing paramilitary death squads (the other half). The mayhem in Colombia is mostly the doing of the Colombian military and its highly corrupt, death-squad connected, drug lord connected government!

This makes it easy for the U.S. to create a client state. U.S. client states need highly corrupt leaders, willing to sell out their countrymen, their country's resources and its sovereignty to a foreign power, in exchange for riches beyond belief--$6 BILLION in military aid, billions more in other stealable aid (which never gets to the poor), and billions more in payoffs and profits from global corporate predators like Monsanto, Chiquita International, Occidental Petroleum, Exxon Mobil, Dyncorp, Blackwater and all the war profiteers, in addition to rakeoffs from World Bank/IMF loan sharks, indebting the poor majority for decades to come.

And into this cauldron of corruption, the U.S. introduces seven new military bases--for what?

Other possibilities, short of war: Oppression--to bolster the Colombian military in its murderous, torturing, bloody boot on the neck of the labor movement in Colombia, and in smashing all the legitimate aspirations of the poor--in the interest of the global corporate predators who want to operate in Colombia with slave labor conditions, and/or to steal Colombia's resources. This is what the U.S. is doing in Mexico. It is what the U.S. is doing in Peru and Haiti and Jamaica. This is what the U.S. does, for economic exploitation purposes. Where it can, it funds and uses the local leaders, police and military to prevent the poor from organizing against "free trade" domination and impoverishment. And where needed, it introduces the U.S. military--with various lies and excuses--the "war on drugs," Saddam is a bad man with WMDs--to support the local fascists, or to directly kill and torture people to steal their oil.

Which are they doing in Colombia? Seven new U.S. military argues for the latter. Not just economic exploitation. Not just subduing Colombia's poor--who couldn't be much more "under the nazi boot" than they are now. (It could actually get worse, if Santos becomes 'president.') Seven new U.S. military bases--and other indications (reconstitution of the U.S. 4th Fleet in the Caribbean; the coup in Honduras) point to war.

Is this to be just a continuation of the war of attrition that the Bushwhacks have waged against Venezuela, Ecuador, Bolivia, Argentina and other uppity leftist countries? I think not. I think the "war of attrition" is a preliminary to war, not a substitute. Our government's true rulers--the multi-national corporations who rule over us--want more than to destroy the economies of countries who have committed to social justice. They want more than to smear and demonize good leaders who were actually elected by their people (in election systems that are far, far more transparent than our own). They want more than to purchase Latin American leaders who will act in their interests. And they want more than the oil--the main driver of U.S. foreign policy over the last decade. They want to smash this leftist democracy movement, that has swept most of South America and half of Central America, to pieces. True democracy in Latin America is the biggest threat they have ever faced. (And they are absolutely terrified that it will happen here--which is why our voting system is now run on 'TRADE SECRET,' PROPRIETARY programming code, owned and controlled by far rightwing corporations, with virtually no audit/recount controls. They fear us. They really do.)

And, finally, is this "just" war profiteering? The Pentagon and its filthy contractors needing venues for the expenditure of multi-billions of U.S. tax dollars to line their own pockets in the immediate future and forevermore? I think this is part of it. But the seven new bases and the other indicators (including the intensifying propaganda campaign against Chavez and Correa) point strongly to something even worse--to the manufacture of war. Again.

The Bushwhacks tried to provoke Ecuador and Venezuela into a "hot" war last year. Correa and Chavez wisely did not take the bait. But that's what our government--its real rulers--want, and it doesn't seem to matter who is in the White House.

The leaders of South America are a polite bunch--even Chavez--considering the provocations they have endured. They tend to speak in subdued and reasonable tones. They want peace. They can't afford war. War is the one thing that will destroy their social justice programs. And they are used to more reasonable political discourse, because they have very strong grass roots movements who demand reality in political discourse--real issues, real problem-solving--not the bullshit we are subjected to here. (Their media is just as bad, but their politicians are not--because they have honest, transparent elections, and a politically active populace.) The chorus of alarms throughout South and Central America over these seven new U.S. military bases in Colombia is, to say the least, unusual. And I believe that what they are NOT saying is that this is an act of war. And I think that their next move may be to toss Colombia out of UNASUR--the new South American "common market"--and get serious about Brazil's proposal for a "common defense" (which Colombia has been obstructing). They have little choice. The gauntlet has been thrown--not by Bush. By Obama.

Obama may be dealing with an insurrection at the Pentagon, the State Department, the CIA and other power centers, led by Bushwhack moles (in collusion with DINOs like Clinton? I'm not sure). He may be--I stress may be--letting this plan play out, possibly because he doesn't have much power to stop it, and is hoping that the leaders of South America, and good people, groups and leaders within this country, can do so--can give him the ammunition he needs to stop it. I still tend to think that Obama is a good guy, who has placed himself in a very difficult situation--leader of the new Roman Empire--with the best of intentions, to do what good he is able to do, with his hands tied behind his back. I don't know this for sure. It is my gut feeling about Obama.

I just wanted to say this, because I am convinced that the Dark Lords are dragging us toward another oil war, and it's important to try to sort out who is really responsible for this, and where we stand, as a people, in our ability to prevent it. I think Obama does want peace, but doesn't have much power to achieve it. We need to bolster him--if we believe he is a peacemaker--and other peacemakers, in whatever ways we can. And we need to be very alert to Diebold & brethren's power to get rid of him, and bring in somebody who loves war. In fact, the best thing we could do for Obama, to insure his re-election, is to throw these goddamned "TRADE SECRET' voting machines into 'Boston Harbor.' Otherwise, McCain-who has been furiously funneling millions of US tax dollars to every fascist coup plotter in Latin America (through the "International Republican Institute"/USAID-NED budgets)--or someone like him--is going to be Diebolded into the White House in 2012, and the next thing will be another oil war.
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 12:54 PM
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9. What buildup?
Where are the battalions of troop, the air wings, the ships based there? Uniformed forces are limited to 800.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 02:13 PM
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16. They said that about Vietnam--just a couple of hundred U.S. military advisors.
It was a crock then. And it is a crock now. They are setting up the infrastructure for infusions of more U.S. troops, planes, helicopters, bombs, guns, surveillance systems, so that it will be easy to escalate later.

There is absolutely no good reason for U.S. military presence at seven more military bases in Colombia!
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 02:21 PM
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18. You have that little faith in the current administration?
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 10:10 PM
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23. Faith is for fools!
This is supposed to be a democracy. It is our obligation to scrutinize our leaders, criticize them when criticism is warranted, and hold them accountable. Faith has nothing to do with it. What do you think--self-government is a sort of religion?

No, I don't have any inherent "faith" in the current administration. I certainly hold out the hope that Obama actually wants peace, respect and cooperation as his U.S./Latin American foreign policy--I tend toward the view that he has good intentions--but I have seen zero evidence of that policy thus far, and lots of evidence of the exact opposite--aggressive, war-like policy, insults and disrespect and the imposition of U.S. corpo/fascist designs upon the people of Latin American. So, either Obama is not sincere in his stated policy, or he does not have the power to implement his policy--or does not yet have the power. I don't underestimate him, but what I see now in U.S./Latin American policy is little better the Bush Junta and, on some matters, worse--for instance, not even the Bush Junta proposed establishing seven new U.S. military bases in Colombia--and the Obama administration did this without consulting "moderate" leaders like Brazil's Lula da Silva, and without even warning them--showing utter disrespect for the leaders of the continent.

I'll tell you something. In my first vote for president, back in 1964, I voted for the candidate who said he was for peace. LBJ. And what I got for that vote was two million people slaughtered in Southeast Asia, and more than 55,000 U.S. soldiers dead.

Beware of Democrats bearing peace.

(Lifelong Democrat here--but one with her eyes open.)
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 10:22 PM
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24. Obama has surrounded himself with 'the best and the brightest.'
In government it is always easier to go forward with a program that does not work than to stop it altogether and admit failure.

--David Halberstam

The best history books don't just teach you about the past, they also teach you about today.

The Best and the Brightest is a brilliant history of why America failed in Vietnam. It's a history of the Kennedy and Johnson administrations, and it's a history of the lives of the key Cabinet members and agency leaders Kennedy chose--the leaders Johnson later inherited when he unexpectedly became president.

This book is also an exceptionally written postmortem of an era when our government made some of the worst decisions in its history.

The title is an ironic reference to Kennedy's Cabinet, which he filled with the best and brightest minds of that era's establishment elites. These were leading intellectuals, captains of industry and key political thinkers of the day. People like McGeorge Bundy, Dean Rusk and Robert McNamara. Leaders who made fortunes in business in America, who were confident to the point of arrogance in American exceptionalism and, unfortunately, oblivious to Southeast Asian history and culture. Our best and brightest. Men full of optimism and self-confidence who assumed that the South Vietnamese actually wanted our protection, and thought that Americans, with their can-do spirit, could once again do what the French could not.

These were the men who made the policies that ultimately mired us in Vietnam. And when Kennedy was assassinated, Johnson, a brilliant domestic legislator who was woefully unsuited for nuanced foreign policy issues, got stuck with Kennedy's Cabinet and their decisions on Vietnam, and because of his lack of political courage, he took us still deeper into the quagmire. It wouldn't be until 1975 before the United States finally got out.

<snip>

If you want to hear, at last, a balanced and non-fawning view of the Kennedy presidency, you'll get it in this book. Most peoples' perception of JFK's presidency is sadly limited to a few speeches and a few images from his tragic assassination. After reading this book, you'll have a far more thorough picture of this era in US government history.

And it ain't pretty. It leaves you with the sneaking suspicion that great men don't create history. Rather, history is created in spite of them by the enormous, shapeless bureaucracies that they supposedly lead.

http://whatijustread.blogspot.com/2009/05/best-and-brightest-by-david-halberstam.html
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 09:04 AM
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6. Uribe is the new Tony Blair
A lapdog doing the salsa.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 09:44 AM
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7. He may be, but there is an even greater menace in Colombia, and that is Defense Minister Santos
who is 'running' for president (if you credit Colombian elections at all). He is South America's "Donald Rumsfeld," and he is hot to invade Venezuela and Ecuador, kill all the leftists, install fascist dictators, and take the oil. Uribe is termed out. His is a corrupt little Medellin Cartel bastard, but at least maintains a semblance of civil authority, and has, at times, sought Chavez's help, in power struggles with Santos and the military. Santos has the means--the military, the death squads, the enforcers--to steal the election nazi-style. He will have leftist organizers shot--beaten, tortured--their bodies left out where all can see. His henchmen will accompany voters to the polling booth. There are simply no controls to prevent such a thing in Colombia. Thousands of union leaders, political leftists, human rights workers, community organizers, journalists and others have been murdered already, with near complete impunity. With Santos, it will be far worse. Civil authority and the remnants of democracy will vanish. Santos is extremely arrogant, and utterly conscienceless--like Rumsfeld. He sneers at civil authority, at the leftist leaders of the continent, and at democracy--and he is chafing at the bit for war. If we get our Hitler (which I greatly fear in 2012), he will be the Mussolini, not the Blair, of the coming horror.

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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 11:16 AM
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8. Santos was Uribe's chief capo for years
Like you said in your post, Santos has blood on his hands.
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 02:22 PM
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19. With what?
Columbia has no power projection capabilities. They are not the one on an arms buying spree.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 02:57 PM
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20. You're unacquainted with Uribe's invasion of Ecuador, with the assistance from U.S,
personel stationed at Manta Air Base in Ecuador?

Why not spend some of your valuable posting time brushing up on US/Colombian relations over the last many years?
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 06:11 PM
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21. A anti FARC raid does not an invasion make.
But if it makes you feel better, call it what you will. The US is currently limited to 800 uniformed military stationed in Columbia for anti-drug purposes. That is not enough to take on anyone.

Do not forget that Chavez is buying modern fighters, MBTs, APCs, SAMs and other high end military weapons from Russia. He is well overarmed compared to any of his neighbors. Those who defend such extravagance fail to realize that it would never hold up to a US attack from the sea, so the only viable reason for it is to threaten his neighbors, though some credit diminutive phallus size on the part of Chavez.

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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 10:26 PM
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25. You are full of hot air!
If anyone is overarmed, it is us, and our invasion of Iraq has shown that we are no different from Imperial Japan when it decided to expand its empire. No responsible government would allow its homeland to end up like Iraq, with millions displaced and a society torn to shreds. No thank you Uncle Sam, but you can go to Hell with your warmongering ways.

Eliminating an entire carrier battle group will finance Single Payer.
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 12:14 AM
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27. That Chavez is well over armed viz a viz his neighbors is obvious
You are aware that recently the USN removed a CBG from service by not replacing a carrier that is being mothballed. The USN was almost 600 ships under Regean. Its now less than 300 IIRC.
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 11:38 PM
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26. good analysis. No invasion is going to happen but Chavez talks war
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090810/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/lt_venezuela_colombia

Chavez urges military to be prepared for conflict

CARACAS, Venezuela – President Hugo Chavez told his military to be prepared for a possible confrontation with Colombia, warning that Bogota's plans to increase the U.S. military presence at its bases poses a threat to Venezuela.

Chavez has issued near daily warnings that Washington could use bases in Colombia to destabilize the region since learning of negotiations to lease seven Colombian military bases to the United States.

"The threat against us is growing," Chavez said Sunday. "I call on the people and the armed forces, let's go, ready for combat!"

The former paratroop commander said Colombian soldiers were recently spotted crossing the porous 1,400-mile (2,300-kilometer) border that separates the two countries and suggested that Colombia may have been trying to provoke Venezuela's military.

"They crossed the Orinoco River in a boat and entered Venezuelan territory," Chavez said. "When our troops arrived, they'd already left."

In Bogota, Colombia's foreign ministry issued a news release denying reports that soldiers crossed into Venezuela, after a revision of troop movements by the Colombian military.

Chavez said Venezuela's foreign ministry would file a formal complaint and warned Colombia that "Venezuela's military will respond if there's an attack against Venezuela."

Chavez said he would attend this week's summit of the Union of South American Nations in Quito, Ecuador, to urge his Latin American allies to pressure Colombian President Alvaro Uribe to reconsider plans to increase the U.S. military presence.

"We cannot ignore this threat," Chavez said during his weekly radio and television program, "Hello President."

Chavez also halted shipments of subsidized fuel to Colombia, saying Venezuela should not be sending cheap gasoline to an antagonistic neighbor.

"Let them buy it at the real price. How are we going to favor Uribe's government in this manner?" he said.

Colombian officials say Venezuela has no reason to be concerned, and that the U.S. forces would help fight drug trafficking. The proposed 10-year agreement, they claim, would not push the number of American troops and civilian military contractors beyond 1,400 — the maximum currently permitted by U.S. law.

Tensions between the neighboring South American nations also have been heightened over Colombia's disclosure that three Swedish-made anti-tank weapons found at a rebel camp last year had been purchased by Venezuela's military.

Chavez has accused Colombia of acting irresponsibly in its accusation that the anti-tank rocket launchers sold to Venezuela in 1988 were obtained by the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, or FARC. Sweden confirmed the weapons were originally sold to Venezuela's military.

Chavez denies aiding the FARC. He claims the United States is using Colombia as part of a broader plan to portray him as a supporter of terrorist groups to provide justification for U.S. military intervention in Venezuela.

Chavez said Sunday that diplomatic relations with Uribe's government "remain frozen" even though he ordered Venezuela's ambassador to return to Colombia more than a week after he was recalled.

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The abyss Donating Member (930 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 02:20 PM
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17. He had better defend the US military role…
Any other nations got his back?

Must be getting rather lonely in Columbia.

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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 02:30 PM
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28. it was BRAZIL that proposed a "common defense" at UNASUR meetings last year.
Edited on Mon Aug-10-09 02:33 PM by Peace Patriot
To those above who allege that Chavez is threat to the region--apparently swallowing and regurgitating rightwing 'think tank' swill--many Latin American leaders are alarmed about the establishment of seven new U.S. bases in Colombia, the reconstitution of the U.S. 4th Fleet in the Caribbean, the ill intentions of the corrupt, failed, murderous U.S. "war on drugs," and pervasive U.S. hostility to democratic governments including many disturbing recent incidents (not to mention a long history of brutal interference): the use of ten 500 lb U.S. "smart bombs" (and more than likely a U.S. plane and pilot, and possibly orchestration from the U.S. embassy "war room" in Bogota) in the Colombian bombing/raid on Ecuador last year, the U.S. embassy and the DEA funding and organizing of fascist rioters and murderers in an attempted putsch in Bolivia late last year, U.S. spying with illegal overflights of Venezuelan territory, U.S.-CIA-Miami mafia psyops (such as the absurd "suitcase full of money" caper last year, trying to smear the presidents of Argentina and Venezuela), the concoction of "evidence" by Colombia that the presidents of Ecuador and Venezuela (the two countries with boffo oil adjacent to Colombia) are "terrorist-lovers" (so similar to Rumsfeld's "Office of Special Plans" and the concoction of "evidence" against Iraq), on-going massive funding of rightwing groups all over Latin America, through USAID-NED, DEA, CIA and other budgets (our tax dollars at work), and, of course, U.S. support for the violent rightwing coup in Venezuela in 2002, U.S. funding of the anti-Chavez recall election in 2004 and continued meddling of every kind, in Venezuela and throughout the region.

Chavez would be a fool not to be taking measures to defend Venezuela in these circumstances. But he is hardly alone in being concerned about U.S. intentions in the region. Lula da Silva said that the U.S. 4th Fleet poses a threat to Brazil's oil. (Everybody knows it's a threat to Venezuela.) And, like I said, it was Brazil that proposed a "common defense" in the context of the new South American "common market"--UNASUR. Not Venezuela. The Chavez government's job is to protect the northern flank of the South American "common market" while that "common defense" is put in place. Although our corpo/fascist press and politicians work hard to make us forget what our "military-industrial complex" just did--slaughtering one hundred thousand innocent Iraqis, in one week of bombing alone, and torturing and killing many more, to steal their oil--the rest of the world, including Latin America, has not forgotten. They know what our Oiligarchs are capable of. And they know that they like to pick on "weak countries"--countries with few defenses, or deliberately crippled defenses.

Chavez may speak these realities--he is an outspoken individual--but they are all thinking it, believe me. And when they do speak, their views get little currency here, in our corpo-fascist press. We have to go to alternative media to find out that Ecuador's president publicly described a three-country, U.S. -backed, fascist plot to foment secession and civil war in the oil rich provinces of Venezuela and Ecuador (provinces that are adjacent to Colombia), and the oil/gas rich provinces of Bolivia, where white racists have long enslaved and oppressed the indigenous majority. The latter plot unfolded last September, and was foiled--after much fascist rioting and murder--with the help of UNASUR (who backed up Evo Morales after he threw the U.S. ambassador and the DEA out of Bolivia, for their collusion with the white separatists).

What we are seeing in Latin America is the profoundly positive success of real democracy at long last. These countries are an example to the world--and to us here n the U.S.--of what patient, courageous grass roots activism and attention to democratic institutions (such as transparent vote counting) can do. It is an example that our own corpo/fascists don't want us to know about or understand. It is an historical event of immense importance that they would like to smash to pieces, because it means that the people of Latin America--at long last--are taking control of their own natural resources, their own government policy--domestic and foreign--their own economic and labor policy, their own social goals, their own fates.

It is a totally peaceful, democratic movement--of which the Chavez government and the people of Venezuela have been key leaders. The Venezuelan people were the first to successfully resist U.S. interference--the failed coup of 2002. Chavez and his government have been the generators of some of the most important ideas of this peaceful revolution, including the Bank of the South (regionally controlled development funds, with social justice goals--as opposed to the U.S.-dominated World Bank/IMF loan sharks, who actively sought to loot and destroy social programs), cooperative infrastructure development, and collective strength in regional trade groups like ALBA and UNASUR. Chavez is close friends with the most social justice-minded leaders of the region--Morales in Bolivia, Correa in Ecuador, Cristina and Nestor Kirchner in Argentina, Lulu da Silva in Brazil, Fernando Lugo in Paraguay, and others, and is allied with most of the other leaders, such as Michele Batchelet in Chile and Alvaro Colom in Guatemala on most important issues.

These leaders are aware of the rightwing demonization of Hugo Chavez as a "dictator" and what a lie it is. Lula da Silva said, of Chavez, "They can invent a lot of things to criticize Chavez, but not on democracy!" (He also called Chavez "the great peacemaker," after Chavez helped to de-fuse the U.S./Colombia provocation of Ecuador last year.) When Rafael Correa, president of Ecuador, was asked about Chavez's remark to the UN that Bush Jr. was "the devil," Correa replied that it was "an insult to the devil!" All of these new leaders--in most of South America, and half of Central America--either openly back Chavez and defend him against our corpo/fascists' "Big Lie" campaign, or back him more quietly and subscribe to common goals. This bogeyman image of Chavez that our corpo/fascist press has created is only touted by the most rabid RWers--the fascists, the coup plotters, the bloody-minded--in Latin America. Chavez is hugely popular among the vast majority of Latin Americans. This is reflected in their elected leaders.

It is one of the main purposes of UNASUR to protect the sovereignty of its member states. And it did a very good job of it, in the case of Bolivia--its first crisis. (UNASUR was formalized only last summer.) UNASUR's other goals are regional economic integration and development, and political cooperation, as well as promoting democracy and social justice. And until UNASUR has established an integrated, common defense, it is up to each country to be watchful and wary, to share intelligence, and to be prepared for assault by the only enemy that South American democracy has known, in the last one hundred years--the U.S.A.

Compounding their worries about a U.S. war plan to grab their oil is the coup in Honduras--a country with three, recently elected, leftist governments on its borders (El Salvador, Nicaragua, Guatemala). Honduras is a U.S. client state, with a significant U.S. military base, and a "School of the Americas"-trained military--a country run by ten rich families as the enforcers of "free trade" slave labor for Chiquita International and other global corporate predators. Honduras has a long bloody history of a being a "lily pad" country for U.S. aggression in the region. Honduras does not have oil, but it has strategic location, especially vis a vis Venezuela's main oil reserves on Venezuela's Caribbean coast (provinces that are adjacent to Colombia, and where fascist politicians openly talk of secession). The U.S. ambassador's story (a Bushwhack appointment, as are many others in Latin America) that the U.S. knew about the coup ahead of time and "advised against it" is absurd. The Honduran military does not act without the Pentagon's okay. Period. It is wholly dependent upon and intertwined with the U.S. military. And neither would the Honduran oligarchy have dared to roust the elected president--who had become an advocate of the poor--out of bed at gunpoint, throw him out of the country, declare martial law, shut down the media, and start killing peaceful protesters and political activists, without a signal from the U.S. State Department that the U.S. would not seriously oppose it. We don't yet know exactly where those nods and signals came from, but we have an obligation to find out, since, whoever made them was most likely getting paid with our tax dollars.

Most Latin American leaders see the Honduran coup as both an insult and a warning. It is an insult to their sovereignty and to their long hard work on democratic institutions. It is a warning that this could happen to them. Their own fascist elites could do the same thing to them, with the same U.S. reaction--a yawn. (Or worse--and much more likely-- complicity.) So much for the peace, respect and cooperation that President Obama promised. Either he was not sincere, or he doesn't have control of U.S. foreign policy (or doesn't yet have control of it--another possibility, that he's trying). If the U.S. can't keep a client state like Honduras--which is almost entirely dependent on the U.S.--democratic, then it has no interest in democracy, anywhere.

What the idiot RW posters here at DU don't seem to understand, or perhaps deliberately never mention, is that Chavez is not alone. He enjoys consistent support from the Venezuelan people in the 60% range. He has twice been elected (and won a recall election) with increasing margins of support--in an election system that is far, far more transparent than our own. He is the best president--the most representative, the most honest, and the most far-seeing--that Venezuela has ever had. He is highly respected by virtually all of the leaders of South America, and is close friends with many. His goals, and the goals of most Venezuelans--and the goals of the vast poor majority of Latin America and their other elected leaders--are one and the same. And I would say that the overriding issue on which all of these new leftist leaders, and the great majority of Latin Americans, are agreed on is their DESIRE FOR PEACE, which, translated, means their desire for an end to U.S. interference. Would Chavez have this kind of support among his own people, and among the great majority of the leaders of Latin America, if he was a "dictator" and if he had aggressive intentions toward other countries?

That is an absurd belief. And I can only think that those who tout it are either, a) uninformed dupes of our corpo/fascist media, or b) in league with the corpo/fascist goals of this intensifying psyops/disinformation campaign against Chavez, which are to smash democracy wherever it asserts itself in Latin America, and a war to steal Latin America's oil (--a war plan for which there is more evidence every day).
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 05:42 PM
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29. Someday Obama Will Look Back and Say:"I Could Have Been the US Chavez!"
"I coulda been a contender!"
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