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Guero (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 07:19 AM Original message |
U.S. appears to soften support for Honduras' Zelaya |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 07:36 AM Response to Original message |
1. This issue will be moot by late January, 2010 |
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Guero (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 07:49 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. No, it won't be over by 01/2010 - whatever that means? |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 07:57 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Yes it will. Zelaya's term will be over and the newly elected President will take office then |
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 07:59 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. yeah, it can't come soon enough for Honduras n/t |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 09:26 AM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Deleted message |
Bacchus39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 09:28 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. they better have an election n/t |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 09:38 AM Response to Reply #6 |
11. What will the solution be after January? |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 09:41 AM Response to Reply #6 |
13. Why...Zelaya's party will most likely remain in power, as it is today |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 01:06 PM Response to Reply #13 |
28. Kidnapping and deposing sitting presidents is not legal in Honduras. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 08:28 PM Response to Reply #28 |
57. Their supreme court and national assembly endorsed his removal from office |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 11:50 PM Response to Reply #57 |
66. after he was removed from office |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-07-09 12:31 AM Response to Reply #66 |
68. The highest judicial authority in Honduras said he did and the National Assembly agreed |
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roody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-07-09 02:41 PM Response to Reply #68 |
78. practicing for Obama? |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-07-09 02:52 PM Response to Reply #78 |
81. Why would the supreme court and legislature want to rule on Obama? |
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roody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-07-09 05:24 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. practicing coups |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-07-09 05:35 PM Response to Reply #83 |
84. Non Sequiter, Zelaya was removed by the court, not the army |
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roody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-07-09 05:42 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. Wrong. The army came to his house and kidnapped him. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-07-09 05:46 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. After the court removed him from office and issued an arrest warrant |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 09:38 AM Response to Reply #1 |
12. Pretty much. Hopefully the new president will get the arrest warrant rescinded,but Zelaya is never |
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roody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-07-09 02:40 PM Response to Reply #1 |
76. not for the hondurenos |
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Vidar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 08:13 AM Response to Original message |
5. Welcome to DU. Good post. Just ignore the corporate fascist glee club. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 09:30 AM Response to Reply #5 |
9. Deleted message |
Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 09:29 AM Response to Original message |
8. The ideal fascist 'election'! |
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Guero (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 09:34 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Blue dogs? We used to call them Dixiecrats. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 03:10 PM Response to Reply #10 |
38. Some of them on this very thread, in fact. |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 11:54 PM Response to Reply #8 |
67. The election will be the legitimization of the military coup n/t |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-07-09 04:47 PM Response to Reply #67 |
82. 'Cept it wasn't a military coup. He was removed from office by the Honduran Supreme Court |
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Boku-Wa (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-07-09 06:46 PM Response to Reply #82 |
87. Sooo wrong! On July 3 the Miami Herald published the interview |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-07-09 07:05 PM Response to Reply #87 |
89. That is correct, it was a crime to deport him. It does not say it was a crime to have arrested him |
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Boku-Wa (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-07-09 07:40 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. Professor, you did not read the article very well. It says that |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-07-09 08:25 PM Response to Reply #90 |
92. It is not wise to disect words on what is clearly a translation at some point |
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Boku-Wa (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 09:22 AM Response to Reply #92 |
93. You need to explain why Zelaya should have been ousted |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 01:20 PM Response to Reply #93 |
94. I will defer to the highest authority on Honduran law, their Supreme Court who did the ousting |
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Boku-Wa (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 02:06 PM Response to Reply #94 |
95. Nice cop-out. It's obvious you're motivated by ideology, not |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 02:34 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. No copout, I am willing to accept the ruiling of highest judicial authority in the matter, that is |
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Boku-Wa (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 06:44 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. So, continue to believe the lies being spread that have turned |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 07:21 PM Response to Reply #97 |
98. So having lost the point that it is was not a coup, you want to move on to social issues |
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Boku-Wa (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 08:01 AM Response to Reply #98 |
101. Don't you wish! You haven't provided any concrete information |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 01:12 PM Response to Reply #101 |
104. Sigel has no standing, and the arguments he makes have been better done by others |
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Boku-Wa (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 04:02 PM Response to Reply #104 |
105. Really? You continue to post comments wihout any supporting |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 12:33 AM Response to Reply #82 |
100. Here is the Honduran Constitution |
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Boku-Wa (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 08:32 AM Response to Reply #100 |
102. Yes, google is a very nice search engine. |
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SeriousEbony (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 09:48 AM Response to Original message |
14. The unaddressed illegal actions by Zelaya against their constitution is an issue |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 10:29 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. "Violated their very own laws"--according to whom? This rightwing junta? |
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SeriousEbony (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 10:51 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Tell it to their Supreme Court. They have the final say |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 11:57 AM Response to Reply #16 |
20. "Zelaya was found guilty by their Supreme Court"??? |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 08:30 PM Response to Reply #20 |
59. They also removed him from office...you are confusing the US constitution with theirs. |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-07-09 08:46 AM Response to Reply #59 |
71. When was the impeachment trial? |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-07-09 01:39 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. Supreme Court of Honduras removed him from office and issued a warrant for his arrest |
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Boku-Wa (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 04:12 PM Response to Reply #72 |
106. Another unsupported claim. |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 04:17 PM Response to Reply #106 |
107. They keep waving that "from his own party" like terror-stricken natives waving crucifixes |
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Boku-Wa (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 04:22 PM Response to Reply #107 |
108. They are the same! A stake would be a great accessory for John. |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 01:02 PM Response to Reply #16 |
25. Zelaya was ousted by a military coup. |
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SeriousEbony (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 01:13 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. I see it the way our government does |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 04:39 PM Response to Reply #29 |
46. You're hilarious. The only "mayhem" happening in this case |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 05:08 PM Response to Reply #29 |
52. Broad-brush posts like this are quite silly. |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 05:48 PM Response to Reply #29 |
53. I'll bet you wish John Bolton was still our UN ambassador |
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roody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-07-09 02:44 PM Response to Reply #29 |
80. Ready for a DU meetup in Honduras? |
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Boku-Wa (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-07-09 06:50 PM Response to Reply #16 |
88. Yes, and the military violated the law. Why is it so difficult to |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 11:01 AM Response to Reply #15 |
19. One more thing: If the junta had a case against Zelaya, why didn't they bring it? |
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harmonicon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 10:57 AM Response to Reply #14 |
18. so, murder isn't against their laws? kidnapping isn't? military coups aren't? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 01:00 PM Response to Reply #14 |
24. You don't seriously believe there is anyone here stupid enough |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 02:36 PM Response to Reply #14 |
32. you won't last long |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 04:41 PM Response to Reply #32 |
48. Again. |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 04:58 PM Response to Reply #14 |
49. Zelaya violating the Constitution is as much a RW myth as Obama being born in Kenya, or Australia |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 08:32 PM Response to Reply #49 |
60. OK, the Venezuelan Supreme Court found he violated their constitution and removed him from office |
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carla (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 10:55 AM Response to Original message |
17. Obama is a liar. |
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ro1942 (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 12:10 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. thanks |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 12:50 PM Response to Reply #17 |
23. I wouldn't go that far ("Obama is a liar")--not yet anyway. |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 01:06 PM Response to Reply #17 |
27. The person that so many of us worked our butts off for and contributed money to is a "liar?" |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 03:12 PM Response to Reply #17 |
39. Yes. Yes, he is. He's broken a number of promises; by default, that makes him a liar. |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 12:40 PM Response to Original message |
22. The U.S. gubmint is controlled by its CORP and MIC "class" |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 01:05 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. Give me a break. |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 02:15 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. Read a little history. |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 02:46 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. You don't have any, do you? n/t |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 03:17 PM Response to Reply #33 |
40. Sure, I do. |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 03:23 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. You don't have any evidence, do you? |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 03:38 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. It's your obligation to inform yourself, as others must, and do. n/t |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 04:36 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. It's not up to me to prove other posters' assertions. |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 03:38 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. 'Scuse me Missa Boss Man... |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 04:36 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Classy. n/t |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 04:40 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. I know! |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-07-09 08:24 AM Response to Reply #40 |
69. But have no evidence for this specific clusterfuck. FAIL. |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-07-09 02:43 PM Response to Reply #69 |
79. Odin, stop being silly and willfully IG'NANT! Bitte... |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 05:02 PM Response to Reply #26 |
51. US ambassador Hugo Llorens, a Cuban exile, knew of the coup weeks in advance |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 07:29 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. Do you have any proof that Llorens knew about the coup in advance? |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 07:44 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. He said so himself |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 07:57 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. There is no quote in that article of Llorens saying that he knew about the coup in advance |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 08:36 PM Response to Reply #56 |
62. The Honduran military is completely dependent on us. |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 08:41 PM Response to Reply #56 |
63. Most sources were in the Spanish press, and were posted and translated in DU |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 08:28 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. Don't expect some people to do their own work! n/t |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 01:44 PM Response to Reply #22 |
30. +1 Exactly! (nt) |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 03:08 PM Response to Reply #22 |
36. Truly sad, repellent. Here's something just published on this:"Honduran Coup: The U.S. Connection" |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 02:51 PM Response to Original message |
34. Honduras` freedom of speech under attack: UN |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 02:56 PM Response to Original message |
35. Honduras cracks down on student protests |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 03:09 PM Response to Original message |
37. Chump change we can believe in. |
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unkachuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 09:36 PM Response to Reply #37 |
64. presidents come and presidents go.... |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 04:59 PM Response to Original message |
50. Bishop says wealthy elite behind Honduran coup |
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New Dawn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 08:33 PM Response to Original message |
61. War criminal Richard Lugar also voted for the illegal Iraq War. |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-06-09 09:52 PM Response to Original message |
65. Our ambassador to Honduras was involved in the coup |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-07-09 08:27 AM Response to Reply #65 |
70. Oh, that's an unbiased source, NOT. |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-07-09 01:48 PM Response to Reply #70 |
74. Address the content, and indicate what part of it is not factual. n/t |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-07-09 01:46 PM Response to Original message |
73. The Minimum Wage and the Coup in Honduras |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-07-09 02:40 PM Response to Reply #73 |
77. Thank you!!! |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-07-09 07:51 PM Response to Reply #77 |
91. Hi, Karenina. Thanks for taking the time to read it. |
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Xicano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-07-09 02:37 PM Response to Original message |
75. You're too kind. Obama hasn't turned a blind eye, he's complicit |
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Boku-Wa (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-09-09 08:38 AM Response to Reply #75 |
103. You are so right aout Obama. |
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Mudoria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-08-09 08:12 PM Response to Original message |
99. I guess they understand reality.. Zelaya is out and he's not coming back.. |
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